And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I spent the day making calls at the phone bank - my voice is shot and I'm tired tonight.  

I've been thinking of this video for the past few days, so I'll let Ms. Jewell Hodges say what I've been feeling today...

Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top.

So take a little while to catch your breath, and when you're rested and ready we'll be waiting to help you get to the top of that mountain again - polished like gold.

Here's Hillary's speech from this evening...

Thank you all so much. Thank you and thanks so much to South Dakota. You had the last word in this primary season, and it was worth the wait.

I want to start tonight by congratulating Senator Obama and his supporters on the extraordinary race that they have run. Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved, and our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result. So, we are grateful, and it has been an honor to contest these primaries with him, just as it is an honor to call him my friend. And tonight, I would like all of us to take a moment to recognize him and his supporters for all they have accomplished.

Now, sixteen months ago, you and I began a journey to make history and to remake America. And from the hills of New Hampshire to the hollows of West Virginia and Kentucky, from the fields of California to the factories of Ohio, from the Alleghenies to the Ozarks to the Everglades, to right here in the great state of New York, we saw millions of Americans registering to vote for the first time, raising money for the first time, knocking on doors, making calls, talking to their friends and neighbors, mothers and fathers lifting their little girls and their little boys on to their shoulders and whispering, "See, you can be anything you want to be."

I think, too, of all of those wonderful women in their nineties who came out to see me because they were born before women could vote, and they wanted to be part of making history. And the people who drove for miles, who waved their handmade signs, who went to all the events that we held, who came to hillaryclinton. com and showed the tangible support that they felt in their hearts. And I am just enormously grateful, because in the millions of quiet moments, in thousands of places, you asked yourself a simple question: Who will be the strongest candidate and the strongest president?

Who will be ready to take back the White House and take charge as Commander-in- Chief and lead our country to better tomorrows? People in all fifty states, the District of Columbia , Puerto Rico and the territories, all had a chance to make your voices heard and on Election Day after Election Day, you came out in record numbers to cast your ballots. Nearly eighteen million of you cast your votes for our campaign, carrying the popular vote with more votes than any primary candidate in history. Even when the pundits and the naysayers proclaimed week after week that this race was over, you kept on voting.

You are the nurse on the second shift, the worker on the line, the waitress on her feet, the small business owner, the farmer, the teacher, the miner, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran, the student, the hard working men and women who don't always make the headlines but have always written America's story. You have voted because you wanted to take back the White House, and because of you, we won together the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes.

In all of the states you voted because you wanted a leader who will stand up for the deepest values of our party. A party that believes everyone should have a fair shot at the American Dream. A party that cherishes every child, values every family, and counts every single vote.
I often felt that each of your votes was a prayer for our nation, a declaration of your dreams for your children, a reflection of your desire to chart a new course in this new century and in the end, while this primary was long, I am so proud we stayed the course together because we stood our ground, it meant that every single United States citizen had a chance to make his or her voice heard.

A record thirty-five million people voted in this primary, from every state, red, blue, purple, people of every age, faith, color and walk of life. And we have brought so many people into the Democratic Party and created enthusiasm among those we seek to serve. And I am committed to uniting our Party, so we move forward, stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White house this November.

For the past seven years, so many people in this country have felt invisible, like your president didn't even really see you. I have seen the shuttered factories, the jobs shipped overseas, the families struggling to afford gas and groceries, but I've also seen unions retraining workers to build energy efficient buildings, innovators designing cars that run on fuel cells and bio-fuels and electricity, cars that get more miles per gallon than ever before, cars that will cut the cost of driving, reduce our reliance on foreign oil and fight global warming.

I have met too many people without health care, just a diagnosis away from financial ruin, but I have also seen the scientists and researchers solving the medical mysteries and finding the treatments and cures that are transforming lives. I have seen the struggling schools with the crumbling classrooms and the unfair burdens imposed by No Child Left Behind, but I have also met dedicated and caring teachers who use their own savings to buy supplies, and students passionately engaged in the issues of our time, from ending the genocide in Darfur to once again making the environment a central issue of our day.

None of you is invisible to me. You never have been. I see you, and I know how hardworking you are. I've been fighting for you my whole adult life, and I will keep standing for you and working for you every single day because in your courage and character, your energy and ingenuity, your compassion and faith, I see the promise of America every day. The challenges we face are great, but our determination is greater.

You know, I understand that a lot of people are asking, what does Hillary want? What does she want? Well, I want what I have always fought for in this whole campaign. I want to end the war in Iraq . I want to turn this economy around. I want health care for every American. I want every child to live up to his or her God-given potential, and I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard and no longer to be invisible.

You see, I have an old-fashioned notion, one that's been the basis of my candidacy and my life's work, that public service is about helping people solve their problems and live their own dreams. This nation has given me every opportunity, and that's what I want for every single American.

That's why I want universal health care. It is wrong that Americans pay 50% more for health care than the people of any other wealthy nation, with costs doubling this decade and nearly 50 million people without any health insurance at all. It is wrong for parents to have to choose between care for themselves or their children, to be stuck in dead-end jobs just to keep their insurance or to give up working altogether so their kids will qualify for Medicaid. I have been working on this issue not just for the past 16 months, but for 16 years. And it is a fight I will continue until every single American has health insurance. No exceptions and no excuses.

I want an economy that works for all families. That's why I have been fighting to create millions of new jobs in clean energy and rebuilding our infrastructure, jobs to come to all of our states and urban and rural areas and suburban communities and small towns. That's why I sounded the alarm on the home mortgage crisis well over a year ago, because these are the issues that will determine whether we will once again grow together as a nation or continue to grow apart. And I want to restore America 's leadership in the world. I want us to be led once again by the power of our values, to have a foreign policy that is both strong and smart, to join with our allies and confront our shared challenges from poverty and genocide to global terrorism and global warming.

These are the issues that brought me into this race. They are the life blood of my campaign, and they have been and will continue to be the causes of my life. And your spirit has inspired me every day in this race.

While I traveled our country talking about how I wanted to help you, time and again, you reached out to help me, to grab my hand or grip my arm, to look into my eyes and tell me, don't quit, keep fighting, stay in this race for us.

Now there were days when I had the strength enough to fight for all of us, and on the days that I didn't, I leaned on you, the soldier on his third tour of duty in Iraq who told his wife, an Iraqi veteran herself, to take his spending money and donate it to our campaign instead. The 11-year-old boy in Kentucky who sold his bike and video games to raise money for our campaign. The woman who came to a rally hours early, waited and waited to give me a rosary. And all those who whispered to me, simply to say I am praying for you.

So many people said this race was over five months ago in Iowa, but we had faith in each other and you brought me back in New Hampshire and on Super Tuesday and in Ohio and in Pennsylvania and Texas and Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico and South Dakota. I will carry your stories and your dreams with me every day for the rest of my life. I will carry your stories and your dreams with me every day for the rest of my life.

Now the question is, where do we go from here, and given how far we've come and where we need to go as a party, it's a question I don't take lightly. This has been a long campaign, and I will be making no decisions tonight. But this has always been your campaign, so to the 18 million people who voted for me and to our many other supporters out there of all ages, I want to hear from you. I hope you'll go to my website at HillaryClinton. com and share your thoughts with me and help in any way that you can.

In the coming days, I'll be consulting with supporters and party leaders to determine how to move forward with the best interests of our party and our country guiding my way. And I want to conclude tonight by saying thank you. Thank you to the people across America for welcoming me and my family into your homes and your hearts. Thanks to all of you in every corner of this country who cast your votes for our campaign. I am honored and humbled by your support and your trust. Thanks to my staff and volunteers for all those long hours and late nights, and I thank your families and your loved ones as well, because your sacrifice was theirs. And I especially want to thank all of the leadership of my campaign. Our chairman, Terry McAuliffe and everyone who worked so hard. And, of course, my family for their incredible love, support and work. Bill and Chelsea, Hugh and Maria, Tony and Megan, Zach and Fiona and my mother who turns 89 tomorrow. And, finally, I
want to thank all of the people who had the courage to share your stories with me out on the campaign trail.

Tonight, I am thinking of a woman I met just yesterday in Rapid City , South Dakota . We were outside Talley's Restaurant. There was a crowd there as I was walking into the restaurant. And she was standing right up against the barrier. She grabbed my hand and she said, "What are you going to do to make sure I have health care?" And as she was talking, she began to cry. She told me she works three jobs. She has suffered from seizures since childhood. She hasn't been able to afford insurance ever since she left her parents' home. It is shameful that anyone in this country could tell that story to me. And whatever path I travel next, I promise I will keep faith with her and with everyone I met across this great and good country.

You know, tonight we stand just a few miles from the Statue of Liberty. And from the site where the Twin Towers fell and where America rose again. Lady Liberty's presence and the towers' absence are a constant reminder that here in America, we are resilient, we are courageous, we embrace all of our people and that when we face our challenges together, there is no barrier we can't overcome, no dream we can't realize, nothing we can't do if we just start acting like Americans again.

Thank you all very much. God bless you and God bless America.

We can't wait until 2012 Hillary.  We need you to keep fighting for us now.  If you're up for the fight then so are millions of your supporters all over America.

We'll respect whatever you decide to do but I for one hope you take this fight to the Credentials Committee, and then to the floor of the convention.

See you in Denver folks.

Tags: 2008 elections, Hillary Clinton, president (all tags)

Comments

371 Comments

Hold Your Head High Hillary

You've earned it.

by alegre 2008-06-03 07:44PM | 0 recs
And yes, I did donate to HRC tonight!

Denver!!!!!!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-06-03 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: And yes, I did donate to HRC tonight!

SHAME

by Bargeron 2008-06-03 07:58PM | 0 recs
no shame...

...she's entitled to spend her money however she wants.

And if she is looking to 2012, (whether by Obama defeat or another primary with a sitting president...it does happen) well...that's 4 years from now.

Anything can happen in 4 years.

by DawnG 2008-06-03 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: And yes, I did donate to HRC tonight!

Mark Penn thanks you for the donation

by Bargeron 2008-06-03 08:03PM | 0 recs
I donated too.

That speech was so amazing. She should be our president.

by catfish2 2008-06-03 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: And yes, I did donate to HRC tonight!

I've got 119 million dollars in my personal account. I spend 11.4 of it on your dreams. I want it back, dammit. DONATE MORE!!

by jedley 2008-06-04 03:16AM | 0 recs
Re: And yes, I did donate to HRC tonight!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice that.

"So I hope you'll go to HillaryClinton.com and... give what you can."  "But isn't the primary... over?"  "Well yes but I'm sort of in the hole, here.  Please help."

by BishopRook 2008-06-04 05:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

This is a trollish diary. Repugnant and has no place anywhere were Democrats convene. Brutally wrong, pigheaded, and divisive. Just utterly disgusting.

2012 will be the re-election campaign for President Obama, just as it would have been if Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Kucinich, Richardson, or any other Democrat won the nomination.

I want to puke.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

Your insults make me want to do the same.

by Tolstoy 2008-06-03 08:08PM | 0 recs
Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

We have been hearing it was over for months.  The Obama people keep acting like having the campaign is hurting the party and not good for theobvious nominee.  We do not have a nominee, not even a presumptive one.  You can't use supers to clinch it.  She is supposed to stay til Denver.  

What are they so afraid of that they just cannot stand to let the process complete?

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?
Get over the denial. It's unbelievable. Every respected member of the media, and every idiot in the media, and many of Clinton's own supporters, superdelegates, and people on the street all acknowledged tonight that Obama is the nominee. 90% of the world knows it's over. I have ZERO problem wanting to celebrate Clinton's efforts, agenda, candidacy, inspirational words and deeds, but let's deal with reality. Obama just took multiple supers from her tonight and is now watching the entire party coalesce around his nomination. Let's be productive and use our energy to work for Obama's presidency, get that healthcare with Hillary's input and power, get that push for labor and education with her cooperation, and support the party that had the will to break the mold in 2008 by running candidates as diverse and dynamic as Clinton and Obama.
by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

Because it is over and if Senator Clinton does not take the opportunity to withdraw now, she will completely destroy her and her husband's legacy and become a villified figure on the order of Joe Lieberman.

It's over.  I'm all for reconciliation, but not with those who continue a fight that is lost.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 03:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

And I'm sure you were trashing Kennedy's endorsement of Obama for the same reasons right?  He's divisive, he took the fight to the Convention, he destroyed his brother's and families legacy...blah, blah, blah.

That's all crap.  The SD's don't even cast votes until the convention.  Hillary hasn't indicated whether or not she will contest until the convention or take a fight to the credentials committee.  But the hyperbole that by what was in her speech will destroy her and Bill's legacy is pure fallacy and is just an attempt to continue to demagogue and pound on the Clinton's.

The nomination is NOT wrapped up, because if it was I wouldn't be heading to our State Convention and being able to cast my vote for Hillary instead of Obama.

You can have your version of 'your' truth, but the facts are facts, and you can't change them.  Should Clinton conceed then, all DEM's should even somewhat loosely coalese around the nominee.  They don't have to canvass or call or even participate in the actual process...all they have to do is vote against John McCain and the other down-ticket Rep's come November.

by TxDem08 2008-06-04 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

Why would I trash Kennedy's endorsement of Obama?  Because of a mistake he made 28 years ago?

The credentials committee meme is a canard.  Florida and Michigan could be seated as is at full strength at this point and he would still have the requisite number of delegates.  

You can keep telling yourself that the superdelegates are going to change their mind en masse, but it's not going to happen.  He is the presumptive nominee.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

Oh and I never suggested that her speech was what would damage her and her husband''s legacies.  But taking the fight to the convention most certainly would.  

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?

It's money.  Obama gets to tap his big donors twice: $2,300 for the primaries and $2,300 for the general election.  Last month, the inexhaustible well started to dry up.  They have $250 or $300 million that opens up once Hillary is shoved out.

Otherwise, Obama is very much better off letting things go on to ther convention.  The Hillary-Pbama battle freezes McCain out of the front page and takes away his earned media on TV.  Since he can't raise money, that's a crucial hit.

Look at the MYDD electoral vote calculations every day.  McCain has been sliding down, not gaining, during the Democratic fight for the nomination.

Take the money out of the equation and Obama, Hillary, and the Democrats are much better off taking this to the convention.

by David Kowalski 2008-06-04 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Why do they keep pushing for it to be over?
What part of this aren't you getting?

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY SEEMS TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWPOINT:

Yes, he's not "officially" the nominee until the convention, but he is the "presumptive nominee", which means that barring some colossally unforeseen events, he WILL BE the nominee in August.

The superdelegates could defect to her. But they aren't. The only superdelegates switching sides are the ones who are moving from Hillary over to the PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE'S Campaign.

Howard Wolfson himself said that she will be endorsing Obama this weekend. What part of all of this aren't you getting?

THERE WILL BE NO CONVENTION FLOOR FIGHT.

It's OK to be upset that your candidate lost a hard fought and extremely close nominating contest. But please try to stay on planet Earth while you are lamenting this...

by Obamaphile 2008-06-04 05:42PM | 0 recs
not cool.

Whether you recognize it or not there has been something of a breakthrough tonight.

Clinton supporters are accepting that Clinton will not be the nominee.  If they want to hope for a future run then that's fine.  (I still hope for a future Howard Dean run, doesn't mean I live for that or will turn my back on a perfectly good dem or languish from disapointment if he never runs again)

Even if Obama wins, that doesn't entitle him to run unapposed for his second term.  It's traditional but it's not a foregone conclusion.

So rather than bash someone for hoping, recognize that Obama has earned 4 years of (hopefully) a working presidency to change their minds and bring them onboard.

by DawnG 2008-06-03 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

Troll rating me is bullshit, just like everything written in this "series." You can do it again here, but at least I'll be able to sleep at night knowing that I'm a true Democrat, a true Progressive, and not some kind of self-serving, tunnel-visioned, fundamentalist who can only see one outcome as acceptable.

If anyone agrees with me, mojo me to fend off the nonsense.

I would have worked to the death for Hillary Clinton if she were the nominee, but the voters have spoken according to the system we all ratified before this began. The outcome has also been ratified by the party as the superdelegates came out for unity. Claiming 2012 as the new target is scuttling the party and the presumptive nominee and I wish you'd go vote for McCain. You're no Democrat.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

In fact, to troll or hide rate what I wrote is despotic, undemocratic, unAmerican, and the kind of bullshit that Clinton people boycotted Kos over. Glad to see that you've allowed yourself to be corrupted by the very thing you decried.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

Mike, I'm an Obama supporter, and I want you to know why I troll-rated you.

Alegre has written some of the most slanted, unfair, intellectually dishonest diaries I've ever read. That said, this isn't one of them. This diary is an impassioned expression of support for a candidate. I disagree with the call to action, but it isn't trollish. This diary doesn't attack Barack Obama, doesn't spew false facts, and is totally acceptable under MyDD rules.

There are multiple levels of contention that a diary can fall into. Advocating the losing candidate, even if her continued campaigning may be detrimental to the nominee, is not trolling. It isn't purposed towards divisiveness either. Alegre is acting based on convictions to support a woman with strong democratic ideals and credentials. Her goal is not to undercut Barack; it is to uplift Hillary.

It's very easy to let Alegre's previous posts color your responses to her, but the content of this post does not warrant the vitriol you've shown here. You came to this diary ready for a fight, and understandably so. It's best that we stop fighting altogether, but at the very least, don't create a perceived slight where there is none. Play defense, not offense. We're on the same team, so unless your teammate steps out of line, don't throw elbows.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-03 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

Well said Penguin.

by wasder 2008-06-03 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

I'm sorry penguin, you're off base. Troll rating and hide rating are tools designed to fend off people with an agenda to distract, destroy, or disrupt. The tone of my comments may be harsh, but hardly something intended by the forum administration to be troll or hide rated.

Who is more worthy of a troll rating in a Democratic forum, the person who subtly suggests that the new goalpost is 2012, or the person calling them on it?

Make no mistake, anyone with 2012 on their mind on a night when Barack Obama is names the presumptive nominee is hoping for McCain to win. Why else would a Democrat look to that date with anticipation? A contested nomination of a sitting president is civil war. In either case, to pick this night to engage in that kind of Rovian nonsense, is horsesh*t.

So, troll or hide rating me for calling out that sentiment (and never Alegre by name) is abuse of the worst kind. It's exactly what prompted Clinton people to abandon Kos for MyDD. If anyone has 2012 on their mind with respect to Hillary Clinton on this night, they should probably just leave the Democratic Party and start some kind of 3rd party. This is a night for Democrats to be behind the nominee, and I would have said that if the nominee had been any one of the people who bravely stood up to seek the nomination of the party.

Someday this 2012-noquarter-hillaryis44 agenda will be outed for what it is, the biggest cult of personality in the modern history of American politics. Obama is the one with all the criticism of messianic followings, cultish supporters, and so on. What of Clinton? Surely this diary illustrates that whatever has been said ill of the Obama movement can equally be said of the Clinton movement. I will continue to call out anyone who seeks to scuttle the party for a cult of personality. Troll and hide rate away.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

I am with you,  Alegre killed the momentum towards unity tonite.

Please ignore her and look at other diaries.

With the phrase "We can't wait until 2012 Hillary.  We need you to keep fighting for us now.  If you're up for the fight then so are millions of your supporters all over America."  she has lost all relevance tonite.

This is my last comment in this diary as it is not one that supports Democrats winning elections.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.
Plus, I want to address this point you made specifically: "It's very easy to let Alegre's previous posts color your responses to her, but the content of this post does not warrant the vitriol you've shown here. You came to this diary ready for a fight, and understandably so." I don't like what she writes, it's true. But, I didn't come here ready for a fight. I came to look in on what her take might be on this historic night. I came to see what her tone would be, and it's clear she hopes McCain will win. That's why I chose to call it troll-ISH behavior. "Play defense, not offense. We're on the same team, so unless your teammate steps out of line, don't throw elbows." This is patently false, I fear. We are not on the same team. Looking to 2012 as the next stop is one minuscule step away from advocating a vote for John McCain. I'm on the Democratic team, while diarists like this are on the Hillary Clinton team, at all costs. If we can't call these people on their behavior in a Democratic forum without fear of reprisal we give it over to them and their anti-Democratic messages.
by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 09:34PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

Well Mike, two things:

First, she's not looking to 2012. She's saying that she and others don't want to wait for Hillary to run again. She chose 2012 because she doesn't think Obama will win. I think this is a needless buzzkill for people like me who are riding incredibly high on the most exciting candidate to come out of the party since JFK, but based on everything she's said and written, its her genuine belief. The sentiment is pretty clearly, "We can't wait for you to run later, we need you now," not, "If you don't run now, here's hoping Obama loses and you get your next shot sooner rather than later." It's still, in my opinion, a needlessly pessimistic view, but I think it does nothing more than color the phrasing of a fair, if disagreed with sentiment ("Hillary now, not later").

Second, you're right about the ratings. The ratings are not a place to express myself; that's the comments. The ratings are a place to report abuse, and while I believe you've been hypersensitive, your reactions aren't abuse.

Thanks for engaging me, Mike. I love these communities because of people like you who are willing to dissect their motivations and the motivations of others. I hope Senator Clinton suspends her campaign soon for the sake of the party; the potential benefits to her are so unlikely and the definite costs to the nominee are so great. When that happens, I hope Alegre, Texasdarlin, and the rest of Hillary's most ardent supporters will prove their democratic metel by supporting Obama. I guess we'll find out who's on what team soon enough. In the meantime, I'm glad you're on mine. The people in this party make me as proud as the platform does.

PS. I've fixed my ratings for you. Just please do try not to throw gasoline on a fire. Even if its intentional, these diaries are just a match. Comments and attention are the fuel that makes them incendiary.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-03 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.
Alegre said: Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top. She then ended with: We can't wait until 2012 Hillary. I appreciate your dialog penguin. I really do. The problem I have, and the reason I feel outraged, is that I have a 1.5 year old son and a daughter on the way in July. I want to raise them in a safer world. I want them to have the benefit of the greatest democracy on the face of the earth with an education system that they can be proud of, and a healthcare system that works. I want them to grow up knowing that war isn't the answer to our problems unless all avenues have been explored to avoid it. Hillary Clinton would deliver those things, and for that I love her. Each of the other candidates for the Democratic nomination would deliver those things and for that I love them. I chose Barack Obama for my money and labor. I know he'll also deliver those things, and the reality is he's won the nomination. As a Democrat, it has to be about more than a cynical attachment to a single candidate. It's unrealistic and ultimately counterproductive to believe that Clinton will overturn the swell of support that we saw for Obama tonight. She has a say in what happens from here on out because she's a powerful member of the party and a formidable person. What I can't stomach is any notion that she's the only hope and that we have to scuttle the party by running this thing to the convention, contesting everything that's gone on so far, and leave John McCain to laugh in our faces as we piss away the country. That's not Democratic and that's EXACTLY what both Jerome and Kos wrote about in Crashing the Gates. We've handed this nation over to the GOP with behavior just like this, and it will happen again unless we decide that our nominee, who is Barack Obama as of tonight, will have our support and our effort. My children's lives are the cause that I'm passionately fighting for, and I won't have people like Alegre working against them, while claiming to be Democrats. Unity starts tonight, and that doesn't include bullshit talk of 2012.
by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

I agree on all points. My issue was with you labeling the diary as trollish. Counter-productive? Absolutely. Short-sighted? Incredibly. Foolish and incorrect? Very likely.

But trollish? Intended to damage Democratic causes or persons? Crafted to bait outrage? I think not.

My problem is not that you have a problem with Alegre; I do too. I don't mind that you have a problem with this specific diary either; I think its foolish and counterproductive. Nonetheless, your vitriol and choice of words should be reserved for diaries that are truly trollish. I understand wanting ideas and viewpoints which damage Democratic prospects to just go away quickly and therefore opposing them voraciously, but the fact is that this is well within the scope of progressive dialogue, and the attempt to squelch parts of that dialogue that threaten our electoral success, while tempting considering all of our near-losses, is simply not part of the netroots community, and it is that sort of idea intolerance that led to the rift we're now trying to heal.

Call it out as wrong. Call it out as dumb. Call it out as a waste of democratic energy. But don't call an honest opinion delivered without venom trolling.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-03 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

With all good intentions towards you penguin, tell that to my kids. Tell them why bitter and divisive people split the party and got yet another right winger elected. Tell them why this kind of nonsense is rec'ed to the top of the list at a Democratic forum every time it's posted and gets ample enough airtime that it find legitimacy.

It's not Democratic. It's not Progressive. It's single-minded, tunnel vision with the intent to deliver for one candidate at the expense of all else. How in the world can we call this NetRoots. It spits in the face of everything that Jerome and Kos wrote about in the "This Ain't No Party" chapter of "Crashing the Gates."

I don't engage Alegre or many of the others with similar reasoning here at MyDD for the simple reason that their candidate was running in contested elections. I disagreed with them and found much of their writing awful. Tonight is a very different story. The implication that Obama won't win and that Hillary will carry the mantle in 2012 serves no NetRoots purpose other than to drive people away from the person who was named the presumptive nominee. It's designed to create the impression that we've put the party in danger.

What really puts the party in danger is sentiment like this that suggests we're going to lose. There's nothing about this dialog that contributed to the election of a Democrat to the highest office. Nothing. It is driven by a cult of personality movement that discredits everything that Hillary Clinton has worked for as a Democrat. It places her above the party on the night when the party has loudly spoken to the world about who will be carrying our banner into battle. I can't stomach that.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 10:45PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

shrug Agreed. It's still not trolling.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-03 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

Mike, I was gonna tell you why I, an Obama supporter, troll rated you.  But, someone already took the words from my mouth.

by soccerandpolitics 2008-06-03 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.
Look at what I said in response to that and tell me I'm wrong.
by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: not cool.

You're not wrong mike.  The ratings abuse that happens here is unbelievable.  

by cato 2008-06-04 04:27AM | 0 recs
Why does it hurt Obama to finish properly?

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Why does it hurt Obama to finish properly?

He did.

by lockewasright 2008-06-04 05:13AM | 0 recs
One one point I hope we all agree

"2012 will be the re-election campaign for President Obama, just as it would have been if Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Kucinich, Richardson, or any other Democrat won the nomination."

Absolutely. And anyone who says otherwise I would conclude doesn't have the best interests of the Democratic party, or the country, at heart.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 08:41PM | 0 recs
Remember when I used to ask you

why you wouldn't support the Democratic nominee?

It makes sense now.

by Firewall 2008-06-03 07:57PM | 0 recs
it's all about 2012

she knows her war voted makes it impossible to be veep, cuz we'd have to give up that that line of attackt (ie McSame voted for the quagmire).

it's all about setting up 2012 run against a 76 year old mcSame.

by Al Rodgers 2008-06-03 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: it's all about 2012

Are you kidding me? Thousands of dead iraqis, iranians, and american soldiers are glad its all about hills v macsame in 2012. Pathetic!

by Drewid 2008-06-03 09:43PM | 0 recs
you're silly

she voted for the war.  

she still refuses to say her vote was a mistake.

chomp on that.

by Al Rodgers 2008-06-03 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: you're silly
my bad, i am silly.
I missed the snark and thought you were advocating the 2012 strategy.
by Drewid 2008-06-04 01:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary
Well we're all on the same page now. Si se puede!
Now let's beat ol' man McCain.
by fugazi 2008-06-03 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

Beating McCain was never her priority; electing Hillary was. As Obama became more of an obstacle, the priority remained electing Hillary, but also shifted to defeating Obama. Now Clinton's chances have been reduced to zero, the only objective left is to undermine Obama.

This was never about McCain.

by Firewall 2008-06-03 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

I dont believe the diarist cares about beating McCain.

She practically endorsed him tonight.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:22PM | 0 recs
MY GOD give the woman a chance

to deal with it and grieve. Hillary herself hasn't even conceded yet.  

Attacking this diarist for not "focusing on beating Mccain" right now, is highly insensitive.  It reminds me of when my friend's partner died and his mom called him the very next day and said "you can't just mope around for the rest of your life!"  

People became very emotionally invested in their candidate.  Give people a chance to deal with it-  they'll come back to the overall good of the party when they are ready.  

by Sandy1938 2008-06-04 03:41AM | 0 recs
Alegre is not Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton

was very complimentary toward Barack Obama tonight.  Moreover, she's made it clear 100% of the times she's been asked, with great enthusiasm, and without a moment's hesitation (unlike Michelle Obama and that's a fact and not a dig at Michelle) that she would support Barack Obama with all her heart and soul if she is officially not the nominee.

So, why are you reading Alegre's words, and attacking Hillary Clinton?  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-04 03:44AM | 0 recs
Really?

I'm sorry, when did Hillary Clinton refer to Barack Obama in her speech?

by shalca 2008-06-04 04:21AM | 0 recs
So you didn't read the diary you're commenting in?

This is from this very diary that you are commenting in:

I want to start tonight by congratulating Senator Obama and his supporters on the extraordinary race that they have run. Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved, and our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result. So, we are grateful, and it has been an honor to contest these primaries with him, just as it is an honor to call him my friend. And tonight, I would like all of us to take a moment to recognize him and his supporters for all they have accomplished.

Gee, what a classless bitch who is destroying the party, and just couldn't bother to praise her opponent. /snark

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-04 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

It was a great speech! Moving, and right on point.

My favorite line was how she was standing up for the 18 million people who voted for her.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-03 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

She's not standing up for them if her actions hurt the Democratic party.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary
Caldonia,
Why did you downrate me?
by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

It was a rather ungracious speech. She couldn't even acknowledge Obama's win, aside from the boilerplate recognition of his running a strong race.

I'm not saying she had to throw in the towel and tell her supporters to shut off the lights before they left. But her speech was defiant verging on  disrespectful, as if we've got another month of primaries to go. She keeps demanding respect and deference, but it would help if she returned the favor.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-06-03 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

...not to mention she's still making her electability argument, including the standard false "popular vote lead" claim, to no one in particular. She's making a case to non-existent superdelegates.

I mean, there's really no way for her to give a speech that talks about the issues she cares about, goes after republicans, and rallies her supporters without putting down Obama or implying there's still somewhere to go with this race??

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-06-03 08:56PM | 0 recs
It was a horrible, egocentric speech
I I I I
Get the hook!
by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-04 04:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

uprated for ratings abuse

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

Why on earth would she take it to the credentials committee? Even if she got ALL the votes from MI and FL and got full seating of the delegates, she still doesn't have enough delegates to win?

What exactly would taking it to the credentials committee do?

by Mordecai 2008-06-03 09:11PM | 0 recs
Supers don't count for the magic number!

It has to be pledged to clinch the nomination before convention unless you can drive out the competition.  AOL got the headline right tonight:

"OBAMA DECLARES HIMSELF NOMINEE!"

He has not won.  He has a lot of promises of votes but there isn't even a list in the press of who he is counting!

This afternoon did you here the names of supers for Obama who changed over to Hillary?  Did you even hear the names of the ones who are supposed wot have voted for mim?  On CNN they panted through their coun tdown of" 6 more needed. wwe have another one! Now five more needed"!  Obama was not even giving them the names! They just swallowed it all.

What happened to the rules?  Donna didn't help with that,duh.

What Hillary says and knows is that neither of them clinched it.  All that happened is that the Primary Season came to an end!  With no winner, it goes to the convention, usually.  She could stop it if she concedes.  Otherwise is is work this summer to gather the suppers for the vote in Denver.  Watch the Republicans go after Obam.  Do some stirring up of support for the Psrty and getting voters registered and thinking about the fall.  After the convention, if she has lost, she works on party unity.  If he has lost, he does it.

Hillary also needs some time this summer to interview and consider Vice Presidential candidates so that when the vote finally happens in August, people understand the slates.

And we have to clean up from Saturday's massacre of democratic values.

This "assumption" that her staying would be wierd, disruptive or hurtful is not appropropriate and certainly not according to the rules

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 09:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Supers don't count for the magic number!

No.

No.

No.

He has won.  That is all.  No 'suppers' for  Denver.  No Vice Presidential considerations.  Her staying would be wierd, disruptive, and hurtful.  He clinched it.  Let it go.

by haremoor 2008-06-03 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Supers don't count for the magic number!

Stop making things up.  Pledged delegates are no different than Supers.  It is just a promise to vote, they are not bound.  The pledge of a super is just as valid.  He is the nominee.  It's time to accept that.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 03:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Supers don't count for the magic number!

Where did I see the list of supers? you think CNN, etc. didn't have names?  Then how did they keep announcing who they are?

Are you kidding me? I saw them all the places they are published.

Best place to look: http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

by politicsmatters 2008-06-04 04:01AM | 0 recs
Refusing to Acknowledge Obama as the nominee

How shameful of her.  How high can she raise her head now?!

Not very classy in defeat.  She has earned further scorn on this monumental and historic night.  

by optimusprime 2008-06-03 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

More like a polished turd.

Last night was a great night for Hillary Clinton to congratulate Obama for his success.  Instead she decided to go with more of the same.

If she were truly interested in unity, she would stop holding this party hostage.

If you were truly interested in unity and what is best for the party, you would stop positioning for 2012 and focus on the upcoming general election.

Hillary seems determined not to leave on a positive or high note.  She is determined to be as divisive as possible.  And that is why she lost.

by masterxi43 2008-06-04 03:14AM | 0 recs
you still shine

like polished shit.

shove your 2012 and your credentials committee. we not only have a nominee, we have our next president, and you and whatever brainless dead-enders still buy into your bitter racist bullshit can go wallow in your aura of obsolescence and failure somewhere. the future has arrived, and by your own bitter, divisive, corrosive behavior you ensure that you are not wanted, you are not needed, you are not useful, and you are not welcome.

by rabidnation 2008-06-04 04:41AM | 0 recs
And you should Hold Your Head High, alegre.

You were a passionate advocate for Senator Clinton in environments that were very difficult.  You have have endured many personal attacks and insults and you stayed the course.  It was not easy, but you gave all you had to help Hillary in any way you could.  You should be proud of your effort.

Take care, alegre.

by TomP 2008-06-04 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Hold Your Head High Hillary

If Obama can't beat McCain, it will be in great part because the Democratic Party could not come together.  And how could that happen?  I can't figure it out. Any way you slice it, the choice is crystal clear. Obama and Clinton are so similar on so many of the important issues that we care about, and they stand in stark contrast with the policies of John McCain.

The primary is over, we have our nominee.  It's time to come together to fight for the ideals that we hold so dear.  It's time to come together to improve the lives of all Americans.  It's time to come together, period.  

by Chili Dogg 2008-06-04 07:26AM | 0 recs
Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

join us as a valued member of the dKos community.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-03 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

I think she's burned that bridge.

by reconad 2008-06-03 07:53PM | 0 recs
No she hasn't.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
bob, for years I admired kos

but it's been taken over by hateful, vicious people I do not recognize as Democrats. Seriously, the day the party is dominated by that type (God forbid), is the day I leave it.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-03 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

If you support people who wish Obama to lose to McCain, because that would increase Hillary's chances of being president in 2012, then the Democratic Party doesn't want you anyway.

So your "threat" is hollow.

(And I voted twice for Hillary for Senate, and would have worked myself to the bone for her as nominee.)

by JoeW 2008-06-03 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

Hold on a moment Joe. That's not what I said, and not what I meant. I commented on a site I frequented for years that I no longer recognize or approve of, and that is all.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-03 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

Kos's reclist currently:

IT'S HERE! TimeWarner caps Tubes with tiered-bandwidth: 5g/$30
by rhfactor

329 comments (112 new)
Tear Jerking Photos - (Updated)
by Al Rodgers

204 comments (204 new)
Congratulations, From a Clinton Supporter
by Angry Mouse

853 comments (853 new)
Tonights Official Money Bomb for OBAMA!!!! $10,000,000 GOAL!!!
by NMDan

393 comments (189 new)
McCain, Confused, Tees Self Up for Obama's Driver
by LithiumCola

211 comments (211 new)
For my ancestors: Oh Happy Day!!
by CocoaLove

587 comments (587 new)
Waxman Closing in on Cheney's Role in Outing Plame
by emptywheel

383 comments (383 new)
Live From the Xcel Floor: The St. Paul Obama Rally, Liveblogged

Not suggesting you go back to commenting there, but there's lots worth reading.

by X Stryker 2008-06-03 08:52PM | 0 recs
But that is what Alegre has said in this diary n/t

by nklein 2008-06-03 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

The party IS,  the blogospphere consists of the most dedicated members of our party.

The nomination war is over, the only disagreement you have with anybody is not supporting Clinton.

Is there anything else important to you?

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

Nope, and take your troll rate abusing ass elsewhere. If his supporters consisted only of people like yourself, Obama wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting my vote. Now scoot.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-03 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: bob, for years I admired kos

Is national security an issue to you?

Is the economy?

Your only agenda is dedicated to a single human being.

I have never scene you or Alegre speak to a single issue.

Please for the sake of sanity just give me a couple look I can look past the limited image of yourself that you portray.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:49PM | 0 recs
Oh get over yourself

I didn't even mention Obama. I addressed Daily Kos specifically, PERIOD.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-06-03 10:07PM | 0 recs
Not really

Now you're being intellectually inconsistent, you're talking about Obama supporters that are at Daily Kos (I think--sort of hard to determine with your bitter tone).

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

Interesting question.  How many progressive blogs/bloggers (e.g. Larry Johnson, alegre, Jeralyn Merritt) have destroyed their credibility in this election?

by username 2008-06-03 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

Progressives are a forgiving lot. Once Hillary accepts reality and tosses in the towel and gets behind our nominee all but the most diehard dead enders will come around and those that won't probably weren't really progressives in the first place.

Hell I hated Kerry as the nominee but I spent pretty much every day of 2004 defending him in various forums.

The problem is that this is the first defeat Hillary and Bill have faced in decades and I think they really just can't understand it they got so close and still lost. I recognize that it's hard for them.

I disagree with Hillary Clinton on many things but I do believe that she is sincere in her support of democratic principles I may disagree intensely with their methods but I recognize that they are not evil incarnate.

I think she like many of her generation are jaded and have lost faith in that which drove them into politics in the first place. My hope is that in defeat they will rediscover some of that spirit and optimism that motivated them to work on McGovern's campaign way back in 68.

by Skex 2008-06-03 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

I think almost everyone less loony than Larry Johnson will come around (LJ was still smearing Obama at full speed last time I checked).  But once they've shown themselves capable of such a level of reality denial and partisan rancor, it's hard to take them seriously on other issues.

by username 2008-06-04 03:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and
no burnt bridges.
she would be welcomed back as long as she supports our democratic nominee.
by Drewid 2008-06-04 01:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

Is there any reason to think DKos has improved? I made the mistake of checking what was touted as a "reasonable" diary the other day and was disappointed by the diary and shocked at how hateful the comments had become. At this point I agree with Obama about DailyKos.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

Honestly, I prefer MyDD to DKos. The simple layout is easier to see and to read. DKos also has "big site" syndrome, where comments and diaries fly by sometimes without being discussed.

Plus, you always get some great humor here with some of the trolls.

by TCQuad 2008-06-03 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

I'll tell you one thing, as someone who has been a regular here and at Daily Kos since 2002:

Troll diaries don't rise to the top of the rec list at Daily Kos.  Today was an embarrassment for MyDD, what with some of the diaries being promoted.

Specifically regarding Alegre and her perennially recommended diaries: I know of no favorite diarist at Daily Kos who would dream of filling a diary with unsubstantiated assertions, then refuse to back them up.  Yet I have never seen Alegre respond to polite requests that she back up her claims.  Never.  Her diaries therefore descend into an odd mix of echo-chamber you tell 'em! and snarky jibes.  I think it's all kind of funny, but it's nevertheless embarrassing that MyDD's most popular diarist cannot muster the integrity and/or gray matter to defend her claims.

And when she's challenged, this diarist who is so quick to level the charge of sexism tries to dismiss the posters with the sexist and racially charged "Obama boyz."

by deminva 2008-06-03 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

And then she somehow thought it would be reasonable to TR you instead of respond to the truth.

Bet she gets away with it somehow, since there apparently is a different set of rules for "Alegre and the Deadenders" (which would be an awesome inde rock band name BTW) than there is for everyone else.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

Instead of rating me down, Alegre, why don't you prove me wrong by backing up your core assertion of the past several months: that Clinton "leads in the popular vote."  You won't do it, because you're a coward, and because literally hundreds of posters have pointed out in your stilted diaries the gaping holes in an argument that purports to find fairness in comparing vote totals coming out of primaries and caucuses.

But don't be a coward this once.  Tell me one thing: Take just two states -- Minnesota, which Obama won by 34 points, and Kentucky, which Clinton won by 35.  Given Minnesota's larger population and far prouder recent history as a blue state, it has 72 pledged delegates to Kentucky's 51.  And Obama emerged from those two contests with a one-delegate advantage.  Yet when you count the popular vote, Kentucky's primary overwhelms Minnesota's caucus, leading to more than a 170,000-vote margin for Clinton.  How is that fair, or meaningful, or respectful of the intentions of the Minnesotans who voted?

Oh, and don't try to dismiss me as one of the "Obama boyz," because that racist shit no longer plays around here.

by deminva 2008-06-03 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

OOOOHHHHHH ALEGRE got called the "C-WORD"

well ALEGRE  you got called out as a coward
care to answer ?

by wellinformed 2008-06-03 09:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

IOU a MOJO

by wellinformed 2008-06-03 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

yup ~ agree 100%

by pholkhero 2008-06-03 08:19PM | 0 recs
Diary rescue

The daily diary rescue at Kos is an invaluable asset.

The Rescue Rangers do a great service for those of us who want to read well-written, issue-oriented pieces without wading through the ever-increasing crap that inevitably gets posted on such a large site, especially during this primary.

It's usually up by 10 central.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

You must be joking about easier to read.  This site needs major work.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-04 04:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

I can't imagine why Alegre would ever want to dive back into that toxic hate dump.  She's been maligned there almost as much as Senator Clinton and President Clinton.  Those bastards continue their bashing even tonight.

by Tolstoy 2008-06-03 08:10PM | 0 recs
No posts on Clinton on the Kos rec list

Try again with your constant lies.  Not a single post on Hillary is on the Rec List at Daily Kos as of 12:12 am PST.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Time to give it up, Alegre. Come back and

I can't speak for Alegre, but I gave up on dKos way before this (around the Pie Wars, in fact).

What happened at dKos during these primaries only confirmed that decision.

by OtherLisa 2008-06-03 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Hm... the expected bucket o' fail.

by username 2008-06-03 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

her speech was full of fail.

by AlyoshaPo 2008-06-03 07:46PM | 0 recs
Maybe it is fool's gold!

by waldo 2008-06-03 08:11PM | 0 recs
2012?

So you are basically hoping that Barack Obama loses?!?!?!

I hope you have a stash of coat hangers.

by sweet potato pie 2008-06-03 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

Alegre may still be deluding herself, but that comment is a big old leap past the line of civility.

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

sounds like an honest assessment of the state of reproductive freedom under a McCain presidency.

by Bargeron 2008-06-03 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

Absolutely. We can't be squeamish to acknowledge that a McCain presidency will bring with it a lot of pain in many places, including among the women who will be forced to resort to self-inflicted abortions.  

If you can't deal with that, then maybe you shouldn't pursue an approach that would lead to a McCain presidency...particularly if you care about the lives of women and girls. As the mother of a daughter, I would never taken that risk. I can't believe that a certain diarist whose name starts with A would take that risk with her daughters' lives.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

No, it goes further than that, because it makes a very serious and unsupported suggestion about alegre's own medical condition (that she will need to perform an illegal abortion sometime in the next several years).

In my view, an "in-bounds" comment may have been "will you start taking donations to buy coathangers for young women too?" or something like that.  It's not making any personal suggestions about alegre herself.

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

you're sort of jumping to conclusions.  in no way did he say that she would be using those coathangers on herself.  

but for the record, i think the comment was maybe a little impolite to say the least...

by bluedavid 2008-06-03 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?

If not herself, then her daughters, which would honestly be a worse suggestion. :P  Much better to just not make such a suggestion to begin with.

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 08:33PM | 0 recs
Others have said it

But I'll repeat it:

You want to sacrifice truth to "civility"?

This election will have real-world consequences. Like the AUMF vote, it isn't just about posturing and positioning for the next election.

If you're afraid to talk about what's really at stake, why take the time to log in to a political blog?

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Others have said it

The short answer to your question is no, but I reject your premise that they are mutually exclusive.

by BishopRook 2008-06-04 03:32AM | 0 recs
Re: 2012?
uprated because it's the godamned truth.
President McSame will give us a court that will overturn Roe.
Plain and simple.
Get it trough ya'lls heads.
by Drewid 2008-06-04 01:35AM | 0 recs
Thanks...

but we already have a nominee.

Oh, and if you do take it to the credentials committee, just a reminder...
Obama currently has 2160 delegates. If you seat FL and MI in full, he'll get a minimum of 121 additional delegates. Which would give him the nomination. Again.

by lizardbox 2008-06-03 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks...

I'm sorry but you seem to have mistaken Alegre for someone who cares about facts.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 03:56AM | 0 recs
Congratulations to Team Clinton on SD

...and welcome to the general election, Senator Obama!

by bjones 2008-06-03 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

On to Denver?

You realize that Denver means that we lose in September, right?

Or do you not care, and Hillary is more important than our country and our world.

If that is your attitude, then you can frankly I think this is the wrong site for you.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

Funny if the shoe were on the other foot, as it were, all you people would be talking about is how African Americans were robbed and how they would be justified in rioting in the streets, etc.  Give me a break!  But when it comes to HRC and her supporters there is certainly a double standard.

Conventions should be where the nomination is worked out, not where an automatic coronation takes place.

by trixta 2008-06-03 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

how African Americans were robbed and how they would be justified in rioting in the streets

wtf?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-06-03 08:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

That's absurd for a number of reasons, but the foremost being that I know damn well that we don't have enough time to campaign against McCain if it goes to the convention, regardless of who the nominee is.

Secondly, it's not a reasonable analogy, becaus it's not even close to the same thing.

Fact: Clinton LOST and Obama CLINCHED THE NOMINATION BY THE RULES. If Obama clinched, but they made Hillary the nominee after that, you are damn right we would freak out.

Also, it's worth noting that Obama has enough delegates to win regardless of even if FL and MI were counted in full. It's over, jack.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

"african americans would be rioting in the streets"?  Oh, get stuffed.

If it were McCain vs. Clinton, Clinton would win in a heartbeat.  Yes, even before the convention.

by username 2008-06-03 09:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

Sickening.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-04 03:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard

Yet it was uprated by the diarist herself.

by mefeck 2008-06-04 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Double Standard
I always tell my kids that "what if..." is a silly way to start a conversation.
The shoe is not on the other foot it is on Barack Obama's foot. We don't need to work out the nomination. It is his, fair and square.
Now let's get to work on that 50 state GOTV!!!
by woman 2008-06-04 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Whatever the credentials committee does, she has NO chance of getting the nomination. Tomorrow another few dozen will endorse Obama. It doesn't matter if FL and MI got twice the number of delegates they originally would have gotten.

Time to let it go, Alegre.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Might I suggest a writers strike?

by reconad 2008-06-03 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Seconded!

by MJJLWolf 2008-06-03 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Better yet, a writer's fast: alegre stops posting diaries until Our Girl is chosen.

by username 2008-06-03 09:04PM | 0 recs
Jesus Christ

We can't wait until 2012 Hillary.  

Disgusting.

But not surprising.

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Jesus Christ

Oh lord. I didn't even see that. I hope they ban her troll ass now.

She MAY have been a democrat at one point, but she has obviously devolved.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Jesus Christ

The HillIsnt44 trolls will be banned very soon now that this charade is over.

Free Republic that way, alegre ===>

They're the ones you've been waiting for...

by NJIndependent 2008-06-03 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Jesus Christ

I hope they ban her troll ass now.

Shoulda been done long ago.

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I am a Clintonista and I will remain a supporter of Hillary Clinton for the remainder of her political career.  That will never change.

But taking this to Denver won't change anything and I sincerely hope she does not do that.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Drew, why are you rec'ing a diary that does nothing but suggest Hillary should take it to the convention?

by Tatan 2008-06-03 08:20PM | 0 recs
Two reasons:

First, that video is probably my absolute favorite Hillary video.

Second, I know that it will drive the rabid Alegre-haters crazy to see her diary on the rec list:

Alegre Rec List

Oops!  She did it again!

Go Alegre!  Throughout this campaign, my respect and admiration for you has only grown.  You are loved!

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 08:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Two reasons:

of course it is.  she has a group of people that coordinate to rec.  nothing wrong with that, just a fact.

also, please note the titles of the other four diaries on the rec list, diaries that don't presume our nominee is going to lose.  i'll take those, thx.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-03 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Two reasons:

I don't think he's going to lose.  "Recommend" means recommend--I think other people should read this.  It doesn't mean "I agree with every word."  

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Two reasons:

It kinda does. It encourages the diarist... to keep undermining the nominee.

by Tatan 2008-06-03 08:52PM | 0 recs
Undermining the nominee?

I think you're being a little dramatic.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 08:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Undermining the nominee?

She's trying to rally-the-troops around the idea of taking the nomination fight to Denver... because if not Obama will loose. How is that not 'undermining the nominee'?

by Tatan 2008-06-03 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Undermining the nominee?

If Hillary concedes and endorses Obama and her supporters continue to press on for Denver, then yes, she'll be working against the nominee.

Be patient.  I believe in Hillary--and Alegre--and I know that she will do the right thing.  A lot of us--myself included--are waiting for Hillary to concede before we say, "It's over.  Time to jump on the Hopemobile."

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 10:23PM | 0 recs
First the diary

and now this screenshot with the red circle??  Ok, now this diary has gotten way too creepy to stay for the amusement factor.  Yechhh.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Two reasons:

She is the Britany Spears of the blogosphere. Over the deep end.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-04 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

How many delegates do you know personally? How many of them have more loyalty to Clinton than to the party?  

Frankly, I doubt if there are many in the party.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

One good thing about this diary is that isn't arguing for Clinton as vp.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Thanks for pointing out that ray of sunshine.

by reconad 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
No empathy, no sympathy

Just like Hillary's suprising speech  was somewhat oblivious, this diary too seems small and hollow, when on this night millions upon millions of people around the world are in a very real and profound way moved by this historic moment.

I want to feel sorry for Alegre because this was a moment she wanted so bad she can still taste it.

by Iago 2008-06-03 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

You should be glad that Clinton got through this without being thoroughly vetted. I think that process would have been very painful, especially if it included a full vetting of the finances and Bill's activities.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

So, Caldonia, you really have a trigger finger on those ratings when you see something you don't agree with.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Yet he can troll rate to his heart's content and I cannot rectify that injustice.

Somehow..

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Like gold?

Fool's gold.

That speech was the epitome of classlessness.

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually

I'm reminded of the great Monty Python exchange:

"Your majesty is like a stream of bat's piss."

"I beg your pardon?"

"You shine out like a shaft of gold, when all else is dark."

by deminva 2008-06-03 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually

heh, that was the first thing to pop in my mind as well

by notedgeways 2008-06-03 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually

And still she reminds me of a dose of the clap.

"what?????"

Before she arrived was pleasure.  But now it's just a pain in the dong.

"I beg your pardon"

Ummm..... what i mean was.... [give us a bit of the ol wit, Os!] well.... oh, phbbbbbbbt.

"Excellent Wilde!"

by Jess81 2008-06-03 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Jermone, please delete this diary attacking our nominee.

This is against per MyDD rules.

by MJJLWolf 2008-06-03 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

What attack?

For once, this diary doesn't contain any attacks.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-03 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I cannot say that I am surprised by this diary at all.

I will see you in Denver:

For Barack Obama's acceptance speech.

by DCInertia 2008-06-03 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Now this SHINES

The remarks, as prepared:

Tonight, after fifty-four hard-fought contests, our primary season has finally come to an end.

Sixteen months have passed since we first stood together on the steps of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois. Thousands of miles have been traveled. Millions of voices have been heard. And because of what you said - because you decided that change must come to Washington; because you believed that this year must be different than all the rest; because you chose to listen not to your doubts or your fears but to your greatest hopes and highest aspirations, tonight we mark the end of one historic journey with the beginning of another - a journey that will bring a new and better day to America. Tonight, I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

I want to thank every American who stood with us over the course of this campaign - through the good days and the bad; from the snows of Cedar Rapids to the sunshine of Sioux Falls. And tonight I also want to thank the men and woman who took this journey with me as fellow candidates for President.

At this defining moment for our nation, we should be proud that our party put forth one of the most talented, qualified field of individuals ever to run for this office. I have not just competed with them as rivals, I have learned from them as friends, as public servants, and as patriots who love America and are willing to work tirelessly to make this country better. They are leaders of this party, and leaders that America will turn to for years to come.

That is particularly true for the candidate who has traveled further on this journey than anyone else. Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign not just because she's a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she's a leader who inspires millions of Americans with her strength, her courage, and her commitment to the causes that brought us here tonight.

We've certainly had our differences over the last sixteen months. But as someone who's shared a stage with her many times, I can tell you that what gets Hillary Clinton up in the morning - even in the face of tough odds - is exactly what sent her and Bill Clinton to sign up for their first campaign in Texas all those years ago; what sent her to work at the Children's Defense Fund and made her fight for health care as First Lady; what led her to the United States Senate and fueled her barrier-breaking campaign for the presidency - an unyielding desire to improve the lives of ordinary Americans, no matter how difficult the fight may be. And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happen. Our party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

There are those who say that this primary has somehow left us weaker and more divided. Well I say that because of this primary, there are millions of Americans who have cast their ballot for the very first time. There are Independents and Republicans who understand that this election isn't just about the party in charge of Washington, it's about the need to change Washington. There are young people, and African-Americans, and Latinos, and women of all ages who have voted in numbers that have broken records and inspired a nation.

All of you chose to support a candidate you believe in deeply. But at the end of the day, we aren't the reason you came out and waited in lines that stretched block after block to make your voice heard. You didn't do that because of me or Senator Clinton or anyone else. You did it because you know in your hearts that at this moment - a moment that will define a generation - we cannot afford to keep doing what we've been doing. We owe our children a better future. We owe our country a better future. And for all those who dream of that future tonight, I say - let us begin the work together. Let us unite in common effort to chart a new course for America.

In just a few short months, the Republican Party will arrive in St. Paul with a very different agenda. They will come here to nominate John McCain, a man who has served this country heroically. I honor that service, and I respect his many accomplishments, even if he chooses to deny mine. My differences with him are not personal; they are with the policies he has proposed in this campaign.

Because while John McCain can legitimately tout moments of independence from his party in the past, such independence has not been the hallmark of his presidential campaign.

It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush ninety-five percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year.

It's not change when he offers four more years of Bush economic policies that have failed to create well-paying jobs, or insure our workers, or help Americans afford the skyrocketing cost of college - policies that have lowered the real incomes of the average American family, widened the gap between Wall Street and Main Street, and left our children with a mountain of debt.

And it's not change when he promises to continue a policy in Iraq that asks everything of our brave men and women in uniform and nothing of Iraqi politicians - a policy where all we look for are reasons to stay in Iraq, while we spend billions of dollars a month on a war that isn't making the American people any safer.

So I'll say this - there are many words to describe John McCain's attempt to pass off his embrace of George Bush's policies as bipartisan and new. But change is not one of them.

Change is a foreign policy that doesn't begin and end with a war that should've never been authorized and never been waged. I won't stand here and pretend that there are many good options left in Iraq, but what's not an option is leaving our troops in that country for the next hundred years - especially at a time when our military is overstretched, our nation is isolated, and nearly every other threat to America is being ignored.

We must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in - but start leaving we must. It's time for Iraqis to take responsibility for their future. It's time to rebuild our military and give our veterans the care they need and the benefits they deserve when they come home. It's time to refocus our efforts on al Qaeda's leadership and Afghanistan, and rally the world against the common threats of the 21st century - terrorism and nuclear weapons; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease. That's what change is.

Change is realizing that meeting today's threats requires not just our firepower, but the power of our diplomacy - tough, direct diplomacy where the President of the United States isn't afraid to let any petty dictator know where America stands and what we stand for. We must once again have the courage and conviction to lead the free world. That is the legacy of Roosevelt, and Truman, and Kennedy. That's what the American people want. That's what change is.

Change is building an economy that rewards not just wealth, but the work and workers who created it. It's understanding that the struggles facing working families can't be solved by spending billions of dollars on more tax breaks for big corporations and wealthy CEOs, but by giving a the middle-class a tax break, and investing in our crumbling infrastructure, and transforming how we use energy, and improving our schools, and renewing our commitment to science and innovation. It's understanding that fiscal responsibility and shared prosperity can go hand-in-hand, as they did when Bill Clinton was President.

John McCain has spent a lot of time talking about trips to Iraq in the last few weeks, but maybe if he spent some time taking trips to the cities and towns that have been hardest hit by this economy - cities in Michigan, and Ohio, and right here in Minnesota - he'd understand the kind of change that people are looking for.

Maybe if he went to Iowa and met the student who works the night shift after a full day of class and still can't pay the medical bills for a sister who's ill, he'd understand that she can't afford four more years of a health care plan that only takes care of the healthy and wealthy. She needs us to pass health care plan that guarantees insurance to every American who wants it and brings down premiums for every family who needs it. That's the change we need.

Maybe if he went to Pennsylvania and met the man who lost his job but can't even afford the gas to drive around and look for a new one, he'd understand that we can't afford four more years of our addiction to oil from dictators. That man needs us to pass an energy policy that works with automakers to raise fuel standards, and makes corporations pay for their pollution, and oil companies invest their record profits in a clean energy future - an energy policy that will create millions of new jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced. That's the change we need.

And maybe if he spent some time in the schools of South Carolina or St. Paul or where he spoke tonight in New Orleans, he'd understand that we can't afford to leave the money behind for No Child Left Behind; that we owe it to our children to invest in early childhood education; to recruit an army of new teachers and give them better pay and more support; to finally decide that in this global economy, the chance to get a college education should not be a privilege for the wealthy few, but the birthright of every American. That's the change we need in America. That's why I'm running for President.

The other side will come here in September and offer a very different set of policies and positions, and that is a debate I look forward to. It is a debate the American people deserve. But what you don't deserve is another election that's governed by fear, and innuendo, and division. What you won't hear from this campaign or this party is the kind of politics that uses religion as a wedge, and patriotism as a bludgeon - that sees our opponents not as competitors to challenge, but enemies to demonize. Because we may call ourselves Democrats and Republicans, but we are Americans first. We are always Americans first.

Despite what the good Senator from Arizona said tonight, I have seen people of differing views and opinions find common cause many times during my two decades in public life, and I have brought many together myself. I've walked arm-in-arm with community leaders on the South Side of Chicago and watched tensions fade as black, white, and Latino fought together for good jobs and good schools. I've sat across the table from law enforcement and civil rights advocates to reform a criminal justice system that sent thirteen innocent people to death row. And I've worked with friends in the other party to provide more children with health insurance and more working families with a tax break; to curb the spread of nuclear weapons and ensure that the American people know where their tax dollars are being spent; and to reduce the influence of lobbyists who have all too often set the agenda in Washington.

In our country, I have found that this cooperation happens not because we agree on everything, but because behind all the labels and false divisions and categories that define us; beyond all the petty bickering and point-scoring in Washington, Americans are a decent, generous, compassionate people, united by common challenges and common hopes. And every so often, there are moments which call on that fundamental goodness to make this country great again.

So it was for that band of patriots who declared in a Philadelphia hall the formation of a more perfect union; and for all those who gave on the fields of Gettysburg and Antietam their last full measure of devotion to save that same union.

So it was for the Greatest Generation that conquered fear itself, and liberated a continent from tyranny, and made this country home to untold opportunity and prosperity.

So it was for the workers who stood out on the picket lines; the women who shattered glass ceilings; the children who braved a Selma bridge for freedom's cause.

So it has been for every generation that faced down the greatest challenges and the most improbable odds to leave their children a world that's better, and kinder, and more just.

And so it must be for us.

America, this is our moment. This is our time. Our time to turn the page on the policies of the past. Our time to bring new energy and new ideas to the challenges we face. Our time to offer a new direction for the country we love.

The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.

by nogo postal 2008-06-03 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Amazing Speech.  I am proud that he is our nominee.  Lets band together and beat McCain in November.

by CAchemist 2008-06-03 08:02PM | 0 recs
That is a tremendous speech

It's all there, all you could ask for: grace, respect, progressive ideals, and strong blows right to McCain and the republican party.

Wonderful stuff.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

This is greatness.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-04 04:55AM | 0 recs
Psychological help anyone?

It is sad that Hillary puts her loyal followers through such emotional turmoil, such as the woman who had a breakdown at the recent Mich./Florida delegate meeting. Hillary is a professional politician and will get over it but her followers are showing very unhealthy signs. Can we get a psychologist to submit a diary on the potential for emotional damage here and what a Hillary supporter can do to maintain emotional stability?

by ImpeachBushCheney 2008-06-03 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Psychological help anyone?

Blame Hillary!!!  Is that all you've got?

by trixta 2008-06-03 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Psychological help anyone?

You have to admit it's borderline unethical to tell people you have a chance of winning the delegate race when you have no chance.  And she did that for a very long time, even taking a kid's money from his bike and video game.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Psychological help anyone?
To be fair, was it unethical for Obama to ask for support at the beginning of the race, when he had almos no chance?
by semiquaver 2008-06-03 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Psychological help anyone?

That must be snark.  Right?

Because at the start there was a possibility he would win -- as he did. Now Clinton doesn't have a chance. Her opponent clinched the nomination tonight.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:36PM | 0 recs
Someone's counting chickens. uh-oh...

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 10:01PM | 0 recs
no

OK, bad example.  Ignoring the current situation, would you say that it's 'borderline unethical' for a generic candidate to mount a third-party presidential campaign?  Such a candidate's odds are equal to that of Clinton's at the moment: zero.  Yet it would be, in my opinion, fascist to call this hypothetical third party candidate unethical for running a race they will certainly lose.  Hope of winning isn't the only reason to remain in a race.  Yeah, it's deceptive to tell your supporters you're in it to win when you know you won't, but we're talking about politicians.  Call me a cynic, but in my mind, campaigns are inextricably mixed with small bits of deception.

Clinton doesn't have a chance. Her opponent clinched the nomination tonight.
I'm quite disappointed that Sen. Clinton didn't concede tonight, and I do think that to remain in the race at this point runs directly counter to her stated goals of electing a Democrat in the Fall, but my response took issue with
it's borderline unethical to tell people you have a chance of winning the delegate race when you have no chance.  And she did that for a very long time [...]
I took this to mean that you believe it has been unethical for her to run since February, since her odds of nomination have remained at essentially the same low level since then.  I didn't like that she stayed in longer than I considered necessary, but to call being in a race against odds 'unethical' is simply antidemocratic.  

Now that the race is actually over, things are different.  She is doing damage to the party, and Pelosi et al. have said that they will declare tomorrow, and force her out if necessary.  To stay in at this point would betray her own stated ethics, and I have faith that she will now finally put them above personal ambition.

by semiquaver 2008-06-03 10:33PM | 0 recs
Re: no

Not that I agree, but i think the point is there's a difference between having virtually no chance and the race being over.  That's all.

by niksder 2008-06-04 04:33AM | 0 recs
She's asking for advice on her web site tonight...

... (as a means to troll for donations to pay off her debt) so I offered her the following advice:

Senator Clinton;

Please get back to work in the Senate.

I am one of your constituents.  Back before you announced your candidacy for President, I wrote to you and begged you not to run for President, pointing out that we need you in the Senate, fighting against the Republicans and their corporate masters.  I told you that I believed a run for the Presidency would waste the time you have to do the people's business, and divide Democrats unnecessarily.  I also believed then as I do now that the burden of Bill's Presidency would weigh down your candidacy.

Instead of following my advice, you chose to ignore it, and in doing so, you proved me correct.

Now you have been beaten by an upstart black man, and in the process your chosen campaign strategies have divided the party so drastically by race and gender that their consequences threaten to destroy the Democratic party coalition, perhaps even putting a dangerous fool like John McCain into the White House.

Every day I hear more and more of your disappointed followers threaten to make a protest vote for McCain, or to stay home in November, simply because you pretended that the Democratic Party's rules for delegate selection mattered less than some vague notion of a popular vote when it comes to choosing the Democratic nominee.

And now you are trying to pressure Barack Obama to make you his Vice Presidential nominee.

Have you no sense of decency?

You owe it to the people of America, and especially to the low-information voters your campaign has strategically enraged against Barack Obama, to spend every day between now and November meekly begging your supporters to forget every falsehood you told about Senator Obama during the campaign.  You owe it to us, your constituents, to mend the divide your campaign has created.  If you do that, we might permit you to continue to serve in the Senate for another term when the current term is up.

But if you continue on your present course of attempting to delegitimize the Democratic Party's nominee for President, a nomination he has won fair and square and strictly by the book -- and if you continue to make unreasoning demands of him -- you will find that we are in no mood to forgive you for wasting the time we gave you to work on our behalf in your vain pursuit of greater power.

Stand up for us first by fixing what you have broken during this bloody primary campaign, and then by getting down to business undoing the damage to America that the Republican Congress and President did over the last eight years -- and the damage the previous Republican Congress did with your husband's collaboration during the previous four years -- and history, as well as your constituents, might offer you something like the respect you feel you deserve.

Fail to do these things, and your place in history will be little more a shameful footnote to Bill's shabby place in history.

Shut down your campaign now, concede to Barack Obama his victory, and do the right thing from now on.

Please.

by tbetz 2008-06-03 08:27PM | 0 recs
Once again I'll ask

Now that we have a Democratic nominees can we start deleting and banning troll diaries like this one?

by Tatan 2008-06-03 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Hillary's speech was fantastic!  Our coalition (our populist movement) is 18 million strong!  

But what the BO camp has missed all along is how their disrespect of HRC and her supporters have alienated half of the Dem party.  

Hillary had to spell it out in her speech--and the the BO camp still doesn't get it.

I think HRC's theme song should have been and should be henceforth Madonna's "Like it or Not!" ("Confessions" CD).  Check it out and I think you'll agree.

See y'all in Denver!  YeeeeeHaaaaaw!  

by trixta 2008-06-03 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

How much more R-E-S-P-E-C-T can someone give than this?

Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign not just because she's a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she's a leader who inspires millions of Americans with her strength, her courage, and her commitment to the causes that brought us here tonight.

We've certainly had our differences over the last sixteen months. But as someone who's shared a stage with her many times, I can tell you that what gets Hillary Clinton up in the morning - even in the face of tough odds - is exactly what sent her and Bill Clinton to sign up for their first campaign in Texas all those years ago; what sent her to work at the Children's Defense Fund and made her fight for health care as First Lady; what led her to the United States Senate and fueled her barrier-breaking campaign for the presidency - an unyielding desire to improve the lives of ordinary Americans, no matter how difficult the fight may be. And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory. When we transform our energy policy and lift our children out of poverty, it will be because she worked to help make it happen. Our party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

So many Hillary "Supporters" are being willfully obtuse as to how much praise Barack Obama has been showering on their candidate. Much more than she deserves after the way she has been comporting herself.

by Tatan 2008-06-03 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

No shit.  A million mojo points for you.

by HellofaSandwich 2008-06-03 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

If you think all those 18 million are sticking with Hillary, you are incorrect.

I know lots of Clinton supporters. Not one of them wants her to continue after Obama clinching. Not one wants her to take it to November.  

These are folks who voted for her, donated to her and volunteered for her. One is a top state operative.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:09PM | 0 recs
Hillary could care less about Denver

What she cares about are as follows:

1. Getting enough donations to erase $11.4 million dollars of personal money spent on the campaign.

2. Having her ego stroked for almost winning the Democratic nomination for President. Specifically, she wants to be offered the VP spot because she thinks she's earned it. Reportedly, she doesn't even want the job but thinks it should be offered.

She doesn't care about party unity one bit. She doesn't care about if McCain wins in November (in fact she probably prefers it).

Hillary has about 48 hours to get her act in gear before she gets a smack down from Pelosi, Reid, Gore and every sitting Democratic member in Congress and the Senate. If anybody thinks that Democrats in Congress are going to put up with 3 more months of Hillary Clinton's vanity exercise then they are delusional. The 2008 elections are going to offer Democrats a chance to have a 60 seat majority in the House and 10 seat majority in the Senate. The Democratic members are not going to let that chance get pissed away by a 2nd place finisher who can't raise any money.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-06-03 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

You'll be very lonely soon.  Most people here will be supporting the dem nominee VERY soon.

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-06-03 10:33PM | 0 recs
Obama gave her props tonight

Obama gave her a lot of respect tonight, and held out his hand to her in trying to find an fair middle ground between the two groups. In fact, the rhetoric implied he was offering a position where she would help implement a universal health care plan. It's not the VP, but after the vitriol of this primary, that's not surprising.

However, if this fight continues, both sides will end up losing and I think Hillary knows this as much as Obama does. In the end, the Democrats as a whole will lose, and thus since the the Republicans are not progressive, the progressive movement loses.

Now, to put thing in perspective with respect to the current state of affairs:

From demconwatch.blogspot.com, Clinton needs at least 196 delegates to win. There are 149 available delegates without taking them from Obama. Therefore, for Hillary to win she would need to poach 47 delegates from Obama. Which, needless to say, is a very large number of delegates, probably enough to cause incredible division in the party and guarantee a loss for whoever the democratic nominee may be.

Even if she gets the "4" delegates she lost in the Michigan affair, the primary remains over.

Please Alegre, it's time to work on beating McCain in the GE, and stop fighting this battle.

by MarvinMouse 2008-06-03 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

"Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top."

Sounds quite cultish, in fact, a cult of leadership. Obama doesn't say that that he's "the only one," but rather calls on US to work to take the country back.

Lots of what she did in Clinton's speech.
Lots of we did in Obama's speech.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Agreed.

She's a candidate. Not a God.

by really not a troll 2008-06-03 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

you're such a small..

by gorgias 2008-06-04 04:01AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

We can't wait until 2012 Hillary.  We need you to keep fighting for us now.  If you're up for the fight then so are millions of your supporters all over America.

We'll respect whatever you decide to do but I for one hope you take this fight to the Credentials Committee, and then to the floor of the convention.

See you in Denver folks.

See, Alegre, the point is not to dig the hole any deeper... but I guess you're well past the point of no return for a little place I like to call "credibility land".

by ragekage 2008-06-03 08:06PM | 0 recs
Man, I loved her speech

As an Obama supporter, I was sad that she did not reach out to Obama, but she has earned the right to leave on her terms.  

But as for going to Denver, she will do it campaigning for Obama or the party leave her.  The creditial committee has no solution for her since by that time most of the super Ds will be pledged to Obama.

by zmus 2008-06-03 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Tonight, alegre, you have a choice to make. Right now, at this moment you can begin working to make all of Hillary's goals come to fruition, or you can work to make Hillary the president in 2009.  Because at this point, you can't have both.  If you, Hillary and all her supporters continue to insist on Hillary for president in this election, the party will split and McCain will win.  Roe v. Wade will be overturned.  There will be no universal health care.  The war will continue unchanged.

Or you can be gracious in defeat and work for the good of the Democratic party, the nation and the world.  It's your choice and it's one you need to make tonight.

by BeerNotWar 2008-06-03 08:09PM | 0 recs
My saddest moment in the campaign

was watching my fears confirmed:  Hillary does not care about the Democratic party.  Tonight she proved once and for all, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is in this for some sort of vanity project.

She could not even acknowledge the fact that Obama reached the delegate threshold.  

SHAME.  

Forever shame and scorn upon Hillary Clinton.

She has shown her true colors once and for all, and I'm embarrassed that I once liked her.  

by Bargeron 2008-06-03 08:11PM | 0 recs
I don't begrudge her that...

what pisses me off is that her words of praise for Barack Obama and his supporters were so sparse and generic, and delivered right before she launched into questioning his legitimacy and stoking division in the party.

After she stood right by Jeff Buffbarger while he called us "latte sipping... whatever" she could, and should, have done a hell of a lot more.  And she has the nerve to say that her supporters need to be respected?  They do but she hasn't been leading by example.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 09:53PM | 0 recs
meaningfully...

I admire your dedication...

2016 is the first date in which any Democrat should be wishing for a competitive election anytime soon, for their own sakes and for the sake of the causes they presumably stand for.

by Casuist 2008-06-03 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Show me in this speech where Nominee Obama was disrespectful of Sen Clinton. He spent more time praising her than she did him.
Sen. Clinton's crowd shout "Denver"...Obamas crowd..
17,000 inside and another 15,000 out side listening through speakers...cheered Clinton...showing respect.

Compare the two speeches. Especially compare who uses the word "I" the most...
As Edwards said first, and Obama said tonight...it is not about the nominee..it is about us.

by nogo postal 2008-06-03 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Why is Hillary more important than accomplishing the goals we all have as Democrats.

If you put aside the personalities, Obama and Clinton have the same stance on basically every issue.

by polara 2008-06-03 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

But does he shine like polished gold?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Congrats, for now, Mr. Obama.

Many things could change between now and the convention, when the superdelegates will actually vote.

I will continue supporting Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Presidential Nomination.

by leisure 2008-06-03 08:18PM | 0 recs
You may be waiting for the other shoe to drop,

but with Barack Obama, it's like following a centipede.

Indeed...anything can happen between now and August. Between Bill Ayres and Trinity United, the Obamas (including "Michelle") are the gift that keeps on giving.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:57PM | 0 recs
Re: You may be waiting for the other shoe to drop,

Well done with the quotation marks, I've always wondered if Michelle is even her real name.  

by grover738 2008-06-03 09:25PM | 0 recs
uprated for tr abuse

by Jess81 2008-06-03 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

why are troll diaries on the Rec list?

by AlyoshaPo 2008-06-03 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

it's time to fight mccain.  at this point, anything that detracts from taking him down is a distraction.  

UNIFY THE PARTY!  BEAT MCCAIN!

If you're still working for a particular candidate at this point in the race, you're not really a democrat.  We all need to band together to realize the democratic governance that can bring about the progressive changes we need in this country.  

what you're doing had a time and a place.  i'm all for full-throated advocacy of deeply held beliefs.  However, you seriously need to question what your beliefs are.  Because if they remotely resemble the democratic platform, you need to stop thinking so much about how to squeeze hillary onto the ticket and think more about keeping john mccain out of the oval office.

by bluedavid 2008-06-03 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List
Pacific John
Caldonia
souvarine
campskunk
Sieglinde
1986dude
Norwegian Chef
psychodrew
OtherLisa
mcctx
Tolstoy
CoyoteCreek
wasanyonehurt
leisure
catfish2
by LtWorf 2008-06-03 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List

omg does any one have the number to the -thought police-? I have a group of individuals I would like to turn in.

Give it a break Lt.Worf. Write a kickass diary so I can rec it and knock this off the rec list. otherwise stop listing names so you can feel cool cause you know how to copy and paste.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List

Awww tsk tsk.

Sorry, I generally don't diary here.

Until recently it's been too toxic.

I do more than cut and paste Ms. Chaos and actually I get paid to do more than cut and paste when it comes to my words.

As for the list - same small minds keep recommending the same weak shit from the same lame diarist.

If you can't handle me calling them on their bullshit, don't read.  Simple, huh?

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List/curious

hah. you dont strike me as someone that finds toxicity a bad thing.

Sorry but I dont think I can have a convo with a Clinton hater. Your hate clouds your logic, what do you accomplish by calling these people out? I get it you dont agree with them, you dont agree with the diary, but what next?

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 09:04PM | 0 recs
oh please,

You know this is tiresome that this lowlife blogger consistently puts up dregs of posts and gets "recced" by the same tiresome group of folks that flock over at No Quarter and Hillaryis44.org.

Seriously, you're the one that seems to want to wallow in your own pity.  

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:05PM | 0 recs
Re: oh please,

wallow in my own pity.

what a stretch. hahaa.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List

Your ruining our game of identify the McTrolls.

Its fun you should try it.
You have to figure out who is a McTroll, from the people that gave it a snarky recommend as a bat shit crazy diary.

by Tumult 2008-06-03 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: And Like Clockwork - The Rec List

Mc Troll Mc Troll, oh where oh where can you be?

under here?

           over there?

 under there

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 09:35PM | 0 recs
the usual suspects

what a shock

by wellinformed 2008-06-03 09:37PM | 0 recs
From Urban Dictionary

turd polishing     

The act of trying to make something hopelessly weak and unattractive appear strong and appealing. An impossible process that usually results in a larger, uglier turd.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph p?term=turd+polishing

by reconad 2008-06-03 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: From Urban Dictionary

And yes, I know it's course.  But it's the only thing I could think of when I read Allegra's headline.

by reconad 2008-06-03 08:24PM | 0 recs
Damn.

Course = coarse

by reconad 2008-06-03 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Damn.

somewhat uncalled for. or maybe just wrong.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 10:11PM | 0 recs
Or accurate

My post is just as informative as your post.  /golfclap

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:14PM | 0 recs
The presumptive nominee

of the Democratic Party led last night.  He was gracious.  I pointedly present to you his example.

by Beltway Dem 2008-06-04 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Lanny Davis is getting hit pretty hard by David Gergen about Clinton's inability to give Obama the spotlight for the night and for her riling up her supporters on a quixotic venture.  

You have to admit it was awfully graceless for her to just have to make a big speech on the night the nominee clinched.  

And this was after a day when a) the Clinton campaign leaked a story that she was going to concede, b) took the story back and c) volunteered to state legislators that she'd like to be vp.

So she's been stepping on his big day, a day when the news should have been talking about his biography and platform.  

I can't see how he can have someone like that on the ticket or as part of his government.

So you have the 2012 solution - Try to make him lose, which is clearly just fine, in fact advocated by this diarist.

Let's make sure that doesn't happen. We can't risk our country like that.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:25PM | 0 recs
Do you really believe she has

that kind of a following?  If she didn't have to go beg for recs from people whose whole plan is to cause chaos here -- through alegre, she'd have the few pitiful deadenders in her fan club.  This diary, I found particularly disturbing -- not because I think alegre has any real clout outside of her imagination, but because the obsession is getting creepy.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 08:40PM | 0 recs
Answer: yes, because she got more votes

there is a whole world outside of the blogosphere, and your little "recs". Like the primaries, where Hillary got more votes.

Now we REALLY know how Al Gore felt...he won the election, and saw someone else "designated" to the top spot, not elected by the people.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 09:02PM | 0 recs
Al Gore respected the process

I'm sure he was bitter about the Supreme Court ruling to stop the Florida recounts, but he respected the insitutions that establish and enforce the rules, and he abided by their decisions.

I'm not sure what Clinton is feeling or thinking right now.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Answer: yes, because she got more votes

Don't feed the troll.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I thought Lanny vowed to never grace the airwaves of CNN again?

I really thought she would take a different route and I don't think history will reflect kindly on her for her way of going about things tonight.

by venavena 2008-06-03 08:45PM | 0 recs
Was "Teddy" graceless in 1980, when he

refused to concede, and took the fight to the convention?

He only had 30% of the delegates, and his only ostensible reason for fighting on was to snub the President of the United States on the convention podium, during the convention's closing night.

But again, Hillary is subjected to a double standard. You people are unbelievable.

Have your stinking convention....maybe Father Phleger will offer the invocation, Jeremiah will close it with a benediction. Kind of like Alien and Predator teaming up....

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:52PM | 0 recs
What does Ted Kennedy

have to do with an election 28 years later?  Are you just pissed because he didn't endorse Hillary?  The rest of your nonsense I can't respond to -- I'm not very good with petulant young children.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 08:57PM | 0 recs
Sorry, the truth hurts...and you can't respond

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:59PM | 0 recs
I can and will respond...

As much as I respect the man, Ted Kennedy still lost that election, so I don't really know what you're trying to prove.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I can and will respond...

It was quite clear what he succeeded in proving:

Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting president in a primary, only got 30% or so of the delegates, ran the thing to the convention, and there was nary a word of criticism in the press from fellow Democrats, or from the media themselves.

Not a peep from anyone.

The public calls from the party powerful (and from the media) for Hillary to withdraw and in fact, to try to make her campaign decisions for her, are just not the usual thing.

I can't remember a single occurrence where it was done that way, and frankly, it's an anti-Democratic trend that I hope is not used in later campaigns.

by LIsoundview 2008-06-04 02:19AM | 0 recs
Even yesterday, some voters said no to Barak

The party elders thought their "drip..drip..drip" of superdelegates throughout the day was so clever. It was backed up by a media coronation and party, by CNN and other mediocrities like Chris Mathews.

AND STILL...South Dakota dealt a double digit loss to Obama. And there's more--Tom Dashle, Tim Johnson, and George McGovern were all in Camp Obama. Not sure that bodes well for Sen. Johnson's reelection chances.

And it sure shows the feeble impact Tom Dashle has on anything...and why he was such a waste as Majority Leader. Total inability to influence people, which is what you need in such a job.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-04 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re:

Have your stinking convention....maybe Father Phleger will offer the invocation, Jeremiah will close it with a benediction. Kind of like Alien and Predator teaming up....

Normally I'm not this rude, but get the fuck out. Go parrot your manufactured talking points at NoQuarter or Hillaryis44 where people of your moral compass can peddle bullshit like this.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:10PM | 0 recs
Wow...Jeremiah & Pfleger hit a nerve!

Calm down..you better get used to seeing them. I have a feeling that America is going to get to know them very well come Fall.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow...Jeremiah & Pfleger hit a nerve!

Your concern is duly noted.

Now get the fuck out. I don't care about Wright or Pfleger, just people who continue this guilt by association bullshit like fucking Republicans.

You know, I bet if Hillary was the nominee they could bring up those infamous Tuzla snipers....if they can find them! Har Har Har.

Dipshit.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Was "Teddy" graceless in 1980

Yes, he was graceless. A black mark on an otherwise admirable record of public service.

by authority song 2008-06-04 04:59AM | 0 recs
You fell for it. Obama broke the rules. She didn'

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 09:36PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Clinton is NOT going to Denver. Listen to what Lanny Davis, and James Carville are saying. She wants to get some concessions from Obama before she concedes. She wants VP or a cabinet post.

by fugazi 2008-06-03 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

It's really over now.  If you still want to attack Obama now that it's over, I'd recommend one of the several dozen pig right-wing blogs where they should have that angle pretty well covered.  This blog is where progressives meet.  If you're still attacking Obama, you don't belong here.

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-06-03 08:25PM | 0 recs
2012?

Hillary isn't going to primary challenge President Obama in 2012.

by mattw 2008-06-03 08:31PM | 0 recs
There will be no President Obama.

He will fold like the $2 suitcase that he is.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:34PM | 0 recs
This isn't Redstate.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 08:40PM | 0 recs
Classy...

(Shaking head in disbelief)...

by gustavoNYC 2008-06-03 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: There will be no President Obama.

Damn right - Obama's nothing but a cheap...suitcase.




?

by Jess81 2008-06-03 08:51PM | 0 recs
But is he an EMPTY suitcase?? ;) n/t

by sricki 2008-06-03 09:00PM | 0 recs
bad metaphor

He's a suitcase so full of hope that you need Mark Penn to sit on it just to get it to latch.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-06-03 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: bad metaphor

He's the suitcase in Pulp Fiction.

"Is that what I think it is?  It's.... beautiful."

by Jess81 2008-06-03 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

These SD's declared tonight

via the Page:

Arizona

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords said:

"Now that all primaries and caucuses have concluded, I am enthusiastically endorsing Senator Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. Since the outset of this historic race for the White House, I have been impressed by the intellect and patriotism of both Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama. They have demonstrated the passion and wisdom to move our nation towards a brighter future. I respect and admire both of them.

"Every state has had a chance to vote and Barack Obama has emerged with more support. In becoming a delegate for him, I recognize his inspiring and thoughtful leadership that brought him to the finish line. I am proud to join Governor Janet Napolitano and millions of voters throughout the country in supporting Barack Obama as the next President of the United States. I agree with his policy priorities and his commitment to create a cooperative and bipartisan era in American politics. In states large and small, Barack Obama has shared his hope, optimism, and vision of what is possible. Americans from all walks of life see in him someone who can truly change our nation. I do as well."

Arizona Democratic Party Chair Don Bivens said:

"Now that our historic season of caucuses and primaries is behind us, it is time for each superdelegate to choose between two outstanding candidates. For me, that choice is Senator Barack Obama. He is an extraordinary leader, with the ability to bring people together across party lines to solve problems. That is exactly what our country needs right now, a pragmatic change of direction.

"I congratulate Senator Clinton on her hard-fought campaign. She is a true leader and an inspiration to millions. I am confident she will act to unite our party, and our country, behind our party's chosen candidate for President."

California

DNC Member Christine Pelosi said:

"Barack Obama has captured the majority of the popular delegates from caucuses and primaries from sea to shining sea. Barack Obama has the vision, ideas and values needed to bring positive change to our lives, from economic justice to energy independence to an end to the Iraq war and care for our veterans. As an activist dedicated to participatory democracy, I am thrilled that tens of millions of voters and tens of thousands of volunteers have participated in this Democratic nomination and breathed new life intro our democracy. I have great respect for our other presidential candidates, particularly Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has proved herself to be a champion for working families."

DNC Member Rachel Binah said:

"The people have spoken and I look forward to working with all my energy and enthusiasm for a man who I believe will make an extraodrinarily wonderful president. His environmental record is unparallelled and he has a sensitivity to the issues of our time."

DNC Member John Perez:

"Now that the primary season has come to a close, I officially endorse Senator Barack Obama for President. I believe that now is the time for us to come together and unite for victory against John McCain in the fall. Senator Obama has run an extraordinary, forward-looking campaign focused on hope, unity and our shared values as Democrats. I am confident that he will bring our party and all Americans together as our nominee and as President."

Congressman Sam Farr said:

"Tonight, after the polls close, the presidential primary for the Democratic candidates will have run its course. Although Hillary Clinton has won many of the big blue states and energized her voters, Barack Obama has won the nomination. After the final ballot has been cast tonight, I will officially endorse Barack Obama as the Democratic candidate for the presidency.

"Barack is an exciting new leader in American politics. He will work to end the war in Iraq, he will tackle domestic issues that have been neglected for years and he will help repair our battered reputation abroad. I look forward to working with him to bridge the current political divide and address the problems that face our country."

Congressman Bob Filner said:

"I take great pride in announcing my support for Senator Barack Obama as the next President of the United States. As Chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, I look forward to fighting alongside Senator Obama to correct eight years of neglect of our nation's heroes-working for real gains for America's veterans!"

Congressman Jerry McNerney said:

"Senator Obama represents hope for the future. He has inspired legions of young people who will energize our nation and help bring about the kind of change necessary to turn the incredible threats we face into opportunities.

"Given my background in wind energy, I am excited that Senator Obama has an appreciation for how to create clean, sustainable, family wage jobs in renewable energy. He also knows how important it is to use America's greatest asset, innovation, to put America ahead of the rising energy costs with new energy technology including both efficiency and new sources of energy."

Colorado

Governor Bill Ritter said:

"I'm proud to pledge my support to Sen. Barack Obama to become the next President of the United States of America," Gov. Ritter said. "Sen. Obama offers a strong sense of hope and promise for our country's future. His success at inspiring people from all walks of life, his commitment to the need for education and health-care reform, and his sense of independence and purpose make him appealing to Coloradans and other Westerners. He understands the promise of a New Energy Economy, of opportunity for all, of building a strong economy for our children. He is the best person to help Americans and Coloradans achieve their God-given potential, and I am proud to endorse him."

Florida

DNC Member Michell Ceasar said:

"Senator Obama is the clear delegate leader and I believe it is now time to focus on the general election and to prevent John McCain from providing a third Bush term."

Congressman Ron Klein said:

"I will be casting my ballot at the Democratic National Convention for Senator Barack Obama. Senator Obama is the kind of leader that comes along only once in a generation. He has the unique ability to move our country forward, past the petty partisan politics that so many of us have grown so weary of, and his vision is a breath of fresh air. I believe he will serve our nation ably and well, and am proud to support his candidacy. With my vote at the convention comes a commitment to reach out to voters in South Florida throughout the general election season.

"The primary is now behind us, but we still have a critical task ahead. All of us, supporters of Senator Obama and Senator Clinton alike, must come together and stand united as a force for change in this nation. Americans will have a stark choice this November: a choice between a continuation of the failed policies of the current administration, or a fresh start. We must stand together, with one voice, and call for a fresh start on Iraq, on health care, on education, and on developing clean, affordable renewable energy. These issues are too important to focus on what divides us. We must now focus on what unites us as Democrats, and on the general election this fall."

Georgia

Georgia State Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said:

"This campaign has been one of the closest most hard fought contests in the history of our nation. Senator Obama and Senator Clinton have demonstrated their commitment to the changes that are badly needed in this country and their ability to lead America forward. Now that the primary and caucus season has concluded, the time has come for us to unify the party and throw our complete support behind Senator Barack Obama in order to win the November election. I am impressed by his vision, intellect, and his unique ability to attract new voters to the Democratic column."

Kansas

President of the National Federation of Democratic Women Helen Knetzer said:

"The American people have endured enough in the past seven and a half years from this Republican Administration and the United States is in desperate need of a leader who realizes our economic and international challenges. This has been a long and hard-fought primary and both Senators Clinton and Obama have shown the ability to lead us in this country, but today we must put our differences aside in a united effort to ensure that we win in November. I'm pleased to endorse Barack Obama."

Lousiana

DNC Member Patsy Arceneaux said:

"I believe that it is time to put aside divisive politics and to unite as Democrats looking forward to a victory in November and the hope of real change in America."

Maine

DNC Member Sam Spencer said:

"My decision, in part, is based on the fact that Senator Obama has won a majority of pledged delegates (which I believe is the most important measurement) and has attained a majority of all delegates. Senator Obama was the majority winner of Maine's caucuses. Senator Obama is the Democratic winner of the nomination. Senator Obama is an extraordinary candidate and has inspired Democrats in Maine and across the country to show their support in record numbers. Now we must work to sustain this momentum into the national election to take back the White House."

Maryland

Congressman John Sarbanes said:

"I am excited to join in expressing my strong support for Barack Obama, who I believe will be an outstanding president. Now that the votes have been cast and the primary season has come to its close, I am pleased to play a part in ratifying the decision of the voters in my district and across the country. Moving forward, the importance of unifying the party behind one candidate is vital and Democrats in the Third District, the State of Maryland, and the nation are quickly turning their focus to electing Senator Obama as our next President."

Michigan

Congressman Bart Stupak said:

"This has been an historic presidential primary election with phenomenal interest in our Democratic candidates. With the conclusion of today's South Dakota and Montana primaries, all Americans have had an opportunity to make their voices heard at the ballot box. Now that the nation's last primary ballot has been cast and an agreement has been reached to seat Michigan's delegates at the Democratic National Convention, I am proud to pledge my support to Senator Barack Obama's candidacy for President of the United States.

"I am confident that Senator Obama will provide the leadership necessary to improve our economy, protect our Great Lakes, provide health care for all Americans, and put an end to the war in Iraq. I have invited the Senator to campaign with me in northern Michigan and share his vision for change with the people of the First Congressional District.

"One issue has been resoundingly clear throughout this primary process: Americans do not want four more years of the same failed policies that have driven our country deeper into debt and tarnished our reputation in the world. Senator Obama will provide the change we need to get our country back on track to prosperity and prominence."

Missouri

Missouri Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Yolanda Wheat said:

"This primary season has been truly historic. The Democratic Party has produced two extraordinary candidates, either of whom would make a great president. I strongly believe that now is the time for us as Democrats to unite behind our nominee, Senator Barack Obama. In November we have a chance to make this a better country for our children and our children's children. My respect and admiration for both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama has grown throughout this election process. I am endorsing Senator Barack Obama for President today because I believe that his leadership will bring about the profound change that this great country so rightly deserves. I hope all Democrats, regardless of whom they have supported until this time, will unite behind Senator Obama's vision of hope and opportunity for all Americans."

Nevada

Nevada Democratic Party Chair Sam Lieberman said:

"I am proud to endorse Senator Barack Obama for president of the United States. Sen. Obama knows the challenges we face in the West and will work to stop the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump, create a better water plan and spur the development of renewable energy throughout the West. Together, we will engage multiple generations of Democrats to reform our health care system, end the war in Iraq and put our country's economy back on track, especially for working families and seniors who need relief. Senator Obama recognizes that our diversity is our strength, and that is key in a rapidly changing state such as Nevada. Sen. Obama will be the catalyst who helps Democrats Win in the West and throughout Nevada."

Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto said:

"It is now time for the Democratic Party to unite behind one candidate. Through a unified Party we will defeat John McCain in November. I look forward to working with Senator Obama to create positive change for the citizens of Nevada and the United States."

New Jersey

Congressman Rush Holt said:

"Barack Obama has a remarkable life story, has run a stirring campaign, and has offered an inspiring vision and an impressive strategy to bring about much-needed change in our nation. His successes in the primaries suggest that we can rise above cynicism and bigotry in America, and I am honored to offer my endorsement and support. Like millions in New Jersey and across the country, I have great hopes for an Obama Administration that will restore people's faith in their government and strengthen America's reputation for constructive actions abroad. I look forward to working in Congress with a President who will end our combat involvement in Iraq, invest in education, and enhance the role of science in his Administration and in society at large."

North Carolina

DNC Member Muriel Offerman said:

"Barack Obama has spoken to America in a way that has drawn so many new voters who are excited about the real change he will bring to Washington. Now that the primaries are over, it's time for Democrats to unite in taking on John McCain."

DNC Member David Parker said:

"Senator Obama's plans for strengthening America's economy reflect his insight and empathy for all the people of this country. In this era of economic and environmental challenge, we are all simply Americans pulling together to strengthen our country- regardless of region, race, gender, wealth or any other qualification. Senator Obama's leadership at the head of the Democratic ticket will help Democrats in North Carolina, including Kay Hagan, our Democratic candidate for US Senate. I look forward to his campaigning actively in North Carolina during the fall campaign."

Oklahoma

DNC Member Jay Parmley said:

"The race for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination has been historic. We have had two superbly qualified candidates, unprecedented numbers of newly registered voters and across the board near-record to record turnouts in primaries and caucuses. As an automatic delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention, it was always my hope that Democratic voters across America whose votes determine the proportional make up of the pledged delegates to the DNC Convention would select the nominee of our Party. I believe they have done so, even if by the narrowest of margins.

"I will cast my vote at the DNC Convention for Senator Barack Obama. Senator Obama has brought thousands of new people into the political process and his campaign and election will restore people's confidence in their government.

"Our task as a party is great. Our country is in crisis. Voters have a clear choice in November. Will we end the war in Iraq, fix our ailing economy, and provide much needed quality healthcare to all our citizens? These questions can only be answered affirmatively by electing a Democratic President. The fight for the Democratic nomination has been intense and now comes to a close. Our goal as Democrats is victory in November and that can only be accomplished if we come together in support of Senator Obama."

Oregon

Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury said:

"Senator Obama has the vision and commitment to bring people together. This country needs a lot of repair and Barack Obama will be well-suited to accomplish that."

Oregon Democratic Party Vice Chairman Frank Dixon said:

"I am announcing my decision as one of Oregon's twelve automatic delegates to the Democratic National Convention to support U.S. Senator Barack Obama of Illinois for President of the United Sates.

"I have waited until the end of this race to announce my decision out of respect for Senator Hillary Clinton, her campaign staff and passionate supporters who have made this closely contested primary an historic contest. No primary has drawn this kind of interest and participation from so many voters in so many states.

"In my view both candidates are capable of winning the election and becoming a great President. I can find no compelling reason not to represent the voters of Oregon who overwhelmingly chose Senator Obama. I do find many reasons to help bring this primary contest to a conclusion so that the Democratic Party may now focus on unity and the hard work necessary to elect our federal and state candidates."

Pennsylvania

DNC Member Ian Murray said:

"I am now, after much thought and consideration, supporting Barack Obama for the presidency of the United States and will be voting for him at the convention in Denver. I have been a strong supporter of Hillary and Bill Clinton since 1991, having chaired and run Bill Clinton's 1992 and 1996 campaigns in Erie County. I have continued until this time to endorse with all my heart the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. She has been a true champion of the Democratic ideals that are so important to voters of Northwestern Pennsylvania. It is clear to me though that Barack Obama has the required votes for nomination at the convention in Denver. Barack Obama's message of change and his positions on health care, the Iraq war, the environment, the economy, and other issues vital to the Democratic Party have resonated with record numbers of voters including young voters, independents, and like-minded Republicans. I have been involved in running campaigns in Northwestern Pennsylvania since 1972, this epic contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton has fortified in me the vitality of the Democratic Party and its hopes and vision for our future. I pledge all my support, my heart, and my passion for Barack Obama and will be working night and day in the coming days and weeks to bring the Obama and Clinton camps together and unify in Northwestern Pennsylvania as we begin our quest for that which all our futures and health depend, the election of Barack Obama."

Virginia

Executive Director of the Virginia AFL-CIO Jim Leaman said:

"After a historical battle through every primary and caucus Senator Obama leads in elected pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. As a previous uncommitted delegate to the Democratic National Convention, I would like to pledge my support to Senator Barack Obama to be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. I believe that Senator Obama is the right person, in the right place and at the right time to change politics in Washington from strict partisan warfare to one of jointly solving America's problems. For me, Senator Barack Obama represents a new generation of leadership that will have to solve our problems in health care, social security, education, the environment, jobs, national security and the economy in the upcoming decade. The time has come to unite as democrats and turn our focus and attention to winning back the White House in November."

by nogo postal 2008-06-03 08:32PM | 0 recs
Actually, that IS an impressive list..

Now send it to someone who gives a shit.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, that IS an impressive list..

No one was talking to you.  No one cares whether you give a shit or not.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, that IS an impressive list..

We should send it to Hillary, actually.

I bet she gives a shit about Supers.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 08:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, that IS an impressive list..

Can a shit, give a shit?

Isn't that like cutting off your arm?

by IowaMike 2008-06-03 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, that IS an impressive list..
Uprated with a TR
by Cochrane 2008-06-03 11:51PM | 0 recs
McNearney is emailing support for HRC to his

constituents late this afternoon and this envening.Congressman McNearney is from California and is on this list above as coming out for Obama.  He told his supporters he had been for Obama initially but had come to see that Hillary would be much better for the Party and the country.

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 10:06PM | 0 recs
I don't know where you're going, Alegre

but the rest of us Democrats are going on to defeat John McCain and take back this country.

But I hope you enjoy Denver, especially Obama's acceptance speech, on the anniversary of King's "I Have A Dream" speech.

As for taking the fight on to the credentials committee: you do realize that, even if, mystically, Florida and Michigan were fully seated, Obama would still be the nominee, right?  Or are you figuring that those 55 "undecided" Michigan delegates would mainly decide to side with Hillary?  Even with THAT, at this point Obama would be the nominee.

Well, I guess you'd blame those evil superdelegates for stealing the nomination from Hillary then, even though Hillary was the party insider who had ~100 supers endorse her before the first primary vote was ever cast.

Really, there's a nominee.  I understand that you're upset that it's not Hillary, but you have a choice: accept that Barack Obama is the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee (and will be barring something so earth shattering that no one will support him, which has never happened before and is about as likely as winning the lottery), or realize that you are, effectively, working for the election campaign of John McCain.

If you embrace the latter path, then there are other sites for you.

by synchronicity 2008-06-03 08:35PM | 0 recs
What do you mean, "the rest of us"?

Even though Obam-orons operate under some kind of monolithic thought control, where criticism of the candidate is prohibited, doesn't mean the rest of the party will fall into lockstep. Something you'll find out about Clinton people: we have the ability to think for ourselves, and usually do just that.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: What do you mean, "the rest of us"?

I mean "Democrats".  You may have heard of them.  That's what that (D) stands for behind the candidates name.  It's why the primaries your preferred candidate was involved in didn't include John McCain.

You see, I was assuming that most folks here are Democrats, many of whom happen to support Hillary, not folks who have some cultish devotion to Hillary and don't much care what party she's a member of, if any.

You can "think for yourself" just fine, but I'm still curious exactly what part of Obama's platform you find offensive, other than the fact that it's him and not Hillary bearing the standard for the party.

by synchronicity 2008-06-03 08:45PM | 0 recs
Criticism of the candidate is not the same...

as consistent, utterly predictable wholesale bashing of the presumptive nominee with monotonous talking points... Or for that matter, it's not the same as name calling (Obam-orons???)...

Sadly, all of this is what we've come to expect of you (look at your consistent comment history, hardly a beacon of independent thought), and not what you would hope from someone who thinks for himself/herself...

by gustavoNYC 2008-06-03 09:06PM | 0 recs
US are taking back the values we used to

have in the democratic party.  So your US is not including our US.

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 10:09PM | 0 recs
And what are these "values"

of which you speak?  Playing by and respecting the rules one has agreed to?  Being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?  Putting the interests of the party and the country ahead of one's partisan devotion to one specific individual?

Because the diarist is doing none of these things.  "We can't wait until 2012?"  

So really, what are these "values we used to have in the Democratic party" that you speak of?

by synchronicity 2008-06-04 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top.

I was hoping that I could ask you if you were going to stop posting at NoQuarter or not. But clearly you're still in a weird mindset. Alegre, what happened to you?

by Addison 2008-06-03 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

You remember how Susanhu used to be a celebrated DK poster. Then something inside her turned ugly, and she couldn't keep herself from writing racist screeds against Obama. Due to her lack of an audience at DK, she then fled here, and to No Quarter, the haven for racists registered as Democrats.

My point is that sometimes people just go bad. Obviously alegre knows she posts at a hate site, but the knowledge of this isn't enough to keep her from posting there. She also knows she can't post things here she reads there. But that doesn't stop her from posting there, or using videos made there, or headlining her diaries here with approval from bigots like Harriet Christian.

This is who she is now.

by Firewall 2008-06-03 08:55PM | 0 recs
Expiration Date has passed.

Time to accept that and open the new loaf of bread.

by Sam Loomis 2008-06-03 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

BTW, nearly every FL and MI superdelegate has endorsed Obama.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 08:39PM | 0 recs
Presumptive nominee got his ass kicked tonite

in South Dakota. Even though the CNN gang--and the rest of the media--began the coronation early in the day before the polls closed, Barry still got boot-stomped.

Now there's someone I want to nominate.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Presumptive nominee got his ass kicked tonite

ONO!  Without SD and it's .023 delegates we'll never win.  Only Hillary can win SD!

S'over, dude.  Calm down.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-03 08:45PM | 0 recs
Why would you say it's over?

We've got 5 months to go. Have fun....ask Dukakis and Kerry how much they enjoyed it.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Why would you say it's over?

I'm still hoping that Kerry challenges the results from 2004.  Negative three more years!!!

Sometimes battles are over.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-03 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Presumptive nominee got his ass kicked tonite

"Boot-stomped"?  

Hey that reminds me of an old joke - what's the difference between a nationalist skinhead and a nazi skinhead?  6 beers.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Alternate reality

They split tonight and to use your vernacular, the runner-up got her ass kicked tonight.

If you can't handle that, I have another word for for you:

SCOREBOARD:

Obama: 2156
Clinton: 1923

Thanks for playing.

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 08:50PM | 0 recs
South Dakota!

Yes! She won South Dakota, we should hand her the nomination because she won South Dakota!

Who gives a shit about delegates, she won South Dakota!

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:02PM | 0 recs
No Attack Meant

But I find this diary creepy.

While maybe not technically against the rules here, this surely shouldnt be on the rec list.

by pattonbt 2008-06-03 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre, No one minds if you post Hilltastic diaries but to keep pushing this 'Denver' agenda is wrong. It would damage Clinton. It would leave the party damaged. SHe is not taking this that far.

Hillary is relying on you Alegre, she is relying on you to support which ever decision she chooses to make. Dont push this on her. She is trying to gauge her supporters right now and you will be doing her a disservice if you push her into going to Denver. Stop trying to convince her this is what she must do, its wrong, as supporters we shouldn't dictate what we would like to happen.

Be patient, be supportive, and stop pushing her into harmful waters.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

As if Hillary would ever listen this "Alegre"...  Don't flatter yourselves.  You're just some a bunch of nerds at computers, like me.  (Except I know who the dem nominee is.  Here's a clue: his name rhymes w/ zofama)

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-06-03 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

apparantly Alegre talks with Hillary in Clinton conference calls. blogger conference calls.

-hey im not a nerd. not entirely. booo. maybe i am. shit.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

She shined like gold all right... fool's gold!  Pyrite!  Try to melt it and it smells like rotten eggs.

by LordMike 2008-06-03 08:44PM | 0 recs
Of Course

Denver!!!!

by izarradar 2008-06-03 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Another Hillaryis44 rec bomb got this (censored) on the rec list, eh?

by ragekage 2008-06-03 08:44PM | 0 recs
Oddly enough.

I have never visited the Hillary is 44 forums and I managed to find this diary and rec it.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Oddly enough.

Except the vast majority of the rec'ers don't follow that model, I'm afraid.

by ragekage 2008-06-03 08:52PM | 0 recs
From the Credentials Committee:

Oh Noes! Obama clinches with FL and MI seated at full-strength too!!!

by lizardbox 2008-06-03 08:46PM | 0 recs
Obama can't clinch with any supers til Denver.

Super promises are not enough.  They were changing to day from Obama to Hillary in California and in South Dakota and others , moving away from Obama and toward Hillary.

He doesn't have the super vote till it is cast so can't drive her out with what he has tonight.  If she wants to concede, he can have it.  Neither won enough to clinch it before the convention according to the party rules.  People have fallen for another Obama meme.

 Remember the one he had early on thaa supers had to vote with pledged or they would be overriding the will of the people.  Then we got all the way to votes don't count and the popular vote is a fruadulent metric.

by itsadryheat 2008-06-03 09:46PM | 0 recs
PRESUMPTIVE

nominee. Presumptive. Seriously.

by lizardbox 2008-06-03 09:49PM | 0 recs
Silly Rabbit, you forgot to disenfranchise the

caucus states

everyone knows those voters aren't real people and they don't matter, unlike the Michigans and Floridians.

by hope monger 2008-06-03 11:10PM | 0 recs
Descending into self-parody

It seems there are three categories of Clinton voters:

1) Hardcore Democrats who believe Hillary Clinton had the best solutions and experience to be President, but who will happily help Barack Obama defeat John McCain.

2) Identity politics believers who cling to every word she says and cannot accept anything other than voting for Hillary Clinton - yes, there are Barack Obama versions of this too.

3) "Democrats" who forgot to change their party ID and won't vote for a black man or a man with the name Barack Hussein Obama.

Category 3 is lost to Obama. And I say good riddance to such garbage. Category 2 can be won over but that would involve deprogramming people like Alegre. Category 1 is already on board.

by elrod 2008-06-03 08:48PM | 0 recs
Why was this troll rated?

I don't necessarily like breaking people into hard categories like that, but the comment certainly resonates with what we are seeing.

Uprated to counter TR abuse.

by gustavoNYC 2008-06-03 09:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Descending into self-parody

sounds a reasonable breakdown based on what I've seen on MyDD. Group 1 is already coming on board now; we'll see whether the rest are in group 2 or 3 by how they react to HRC's concession and endorsement (assuming one is forthcoming). Since Alegre said she'll respect whatever decision Hillary comes to, hopefully this means she will turn her energies towards supporting the nominee if/when Hillary concedes, or at least adopt a dignified silence. Some others, though (like Texasdarlin), really seem to hate Obama, and if they keep it up after HRC concedes I trust they'll be kicked out.

by al1 2008-06-04 02:50AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Nice... it seems like someone hide-rated my earlier comment, this nixing my TU status.  Anyone mind posting who it was?

by username 2008-06-03 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre and Campskunk.

I guess Alegre didn't take kindly to you not taking kindly.

by skaiserbrown 2008-06-03 09:38PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Look, guys, leave the Clinton supporters alone.  They can believe what they want, and I'd honestly prefer them to continue donating to Clinton, for obvious reasons given some of the issues being discussed between the two campaigns.  

by bosdcla14 2008-06-03 08:48PM | 0 recs
I love Denver

The Broncos, that is. I've been a Bronco fan since Craig Morton.

But please, cut this "taking it to the convention crap."

by elrod 2008-06-03 08:49PM | 0 recs
How... cloying

I'm sorry, but if I read that "Obama was like polished gold", I'd be laughing just as hard. I know this is unity time and we're not supposed to pile on, but, God, I'm to weak to resist say something.  What next?  Rainbows and sparkling diamonds?

by mikeinsf 2008-06-03 08:51PM | 0 recs
Don't be angered.

It's not the proper emotion for this diarist, it should be more like pity.  In January, Obama will be in the White House and this person will still be saying this same shyt.

by venavena 2008-06-03 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

like polished gold?!

is she a golden calf?

and Obama supporters worship him like the second coming?  Um, no.

golden calf huh?  polished gold?  duly noted.

Don't ever want to hear that Obama supporters worship him, again.  ever.

by eeruck01 2008-06-03 09:00PM | 0 recs
Time to be a Democrat, Alegre...

your party has picked a nominee, let's get behind him and win the general.

by Seeking Cincinnatus 2008-06-03 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre, why do you post at that racist "No Quarter" blog and beg their readers for recommends? I don't think No Quarter is a blog that should be associated with MyDD.

by X Stryker 2008-06-03 09:00PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre, I admire your loyalty.  I'm sure it's moving to Hillary, knowing that there are so many people as dedicated to her campaign as she is herself, and that she'll have your support whatever she does.  Not only that - you're there with her, sharing all the joy and pain of her campaign at every turn.  She is not alone, and will not be lonely.

by Matt Smith 2008-06-03 09:04PM | 0 recs
btw, Tom Dashcle really has a ton of clout!

Now we see why he was such a worthless Majority Leader, who couldn't even get re-elected...first time in recent history that's happened.

Just another liberal wuss (Mondale-Dukakis-Kerry) with a total inability to lead or influence people.

Thinking about it....even with McGovern, Daschle, and Johnson...Obama couldn't carry South Dakota?

Good luck...you people are going to need it.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 09:09PM | 0 recs
Oh noes!

Photobucket

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:14PM | 0 recs
For the record...

A Democrat hasn't won South Dakota in the General since LBJ in 1964.

Sorry, the truth hurts, and you can't respond!

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:27PM | 0 recs
"you people"

Glad you're leaving the party, don't let the door hit your pasty white fat obese uneducated arse on the way out.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:07PM | 0 recs
McCain reacts to Clinton's Non-Concession

by really not a troll 2008-06-03 09:13PM | 0 recs
Alegre

2012?

That says it all.

You have crossed to the dark side, if that isn't an endorsement of McCain I dont know what does.

I and many others have asked you:

"Alegre, will you support the Democratic nominee in the fall?"

We have asked this for months and being the interactive blogger she is there is no response.

Well tonite Alegre you answered loud and clear with the number 2012.

That speaks for itself.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

Ummm... you apparently didn't read her post correctly.

That 2012 didn't endorse McCain... it was just her prediction of what is likely to happen.

Huge difference.

by leisure 2008-06-03 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

So she pasionatly is hoping that Obama loses in 2008 or she beats him in 2012 primary (assuming Obama is terrible)

F that,  I want to no part of that.

I am a democrat and will go down fighting for our causes.

Please check the book in my sig

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

No, you've got it wrong again.

She's just predicting that Obama will lose this November, which is why she'd have to wait until 2012 for Hillary to run again.

Nowhere did she say that she wants Obama to lose.

by leisure 2008-06-03 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

Only Republicans in psychotic denial think Obama will lose, I cant imagine any logical American thinks otherwise.

I believe in America like that, call me patriotic but I am what I am.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

Obama is a good candidate, but he's only a mortal.

Bad things can happen to good people, and it would be foolish to bet the bank otherwise.

by leisure 2008-06-03 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

Oh I am betting the bank alright, thats a suckers bet.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 11:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

...only mortal...bad things happen....

Is that some sly RFK thing again?

by MGarvey 2008-06-04 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

It's unfortunate that Sen. Clinton ignored this opportunity to take a step toward providing closure for her supporters.

She's encouraged an even deeper than usual emotional investment in her campaign, and she could have used tonight's speech to signal the end of her campaign instead of stringing her supporters along.

The chants of Denver! Denver! were sad to see, and sadder still to see her do nothing to discourage them. People like Alegre will grasp that and hold on, even as Clinton herself knows it's over.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

It's not over until the supers vote, and many things could change between now and then.

Thanks for your concern, though.

by leisure 2008-06-03 09:28PM | 0 recs
"closure"? talk about psycho-babble....

you people....with all the talk about arugula and ballet teachers...will never understand real America. You're about to get a five-month long lesson in how we really feel about things.

We're not bitter, and contrary to what "Michelle" says, we're not mean. We're just average folks. And we don't relate to bullshit like "closure".

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 09:41PM | 0 recs
OK

You're trolling. Keep up the pretense, voice your indignation, but I can see right through you, as can everyone else.

I wish you less failure in your future endeavors.

by BobzCat 2008-06-03 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

You're going to have to wait until at least 2016 because Obama will get 2 terms.

by skywaker9 2008-06-03 09:28PM | 0 recs
Anyone who has called Obama supporters cultish

Please read this diary through a couple of times before you do so again.

"We can't wait until 2012", alegre?

I guess that is your answer to the question you have been repeatedly asked: will you support the democratic nominee, even if it is not Hillary??

by kydoc2 2008-06-03 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold
ok...
it's over.
i support Clinton and it's over.
Obama can beat McCain in the general.
now get out of his way because you're stone cold batshit crazy and you're a drag on all of us progressives. i'm serious.
I would die to defend your right to free speech, but now you need to STFU.
by Zorkon 2008-06-03 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold
ok...
it's over.
i support Clinton and it's over.
Obama can beat McCain in the general.
now get out of his way because you're stone cold batshit crazy and you're a drag on all of us progressives. i'm serious.
I would die to defend your right to free speech, but now you need to STFU.
by Zorkon 2008-06-03 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

what is this, the Soviet Union, where she can't speak in support of her nominee? She's not a drag on anything. She's speaking what she feels. its not like she's smearing Obama now like Obama supporters have smeared the Clintons for too long

by DiamondJay 2008-06-03 10:26PM | 0 recs
Not apologizing for the Iraq War vote

Yeah, that's smearing.

Supporting an ineffective gas tax.  Oops.

Running a lousy campaign.

Self-inflicted wounds buddy.  Self-inflicted.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Not apologizing for the Iraq War vote

gas tax holiday.  My bad.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

"what is this, the Soviet Union,"

No, Diamond Jay. This is a progressive site where using the anti-communist scare tactic produces laughter.

by catilinus 2008-06-04 12:54AM | 0 recs
I'm watching David Sedaris on Stewart right now

He just said, "When I fart, I look behind me."

Somehow seemed apropos.

by redwoodsummer 2008-06-03 09:56PM | 0 recs
Alegre thank you so much

for your commitment and for rallying us night after night (have you missed a single night?)

Don't listen to the haters. Hillary is a champ and I'm so glad I chose to join you and others in supporting her.

by catfish2 2008-06-03 09:56PM | 0 recs
2012?

So I guess you've written off the ticket for 2008. What a great team player.

by RandyMI 2008-06-03 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre is disgusting.

Get her the fuck out of here.

by AlexScott 2008-06-03 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

stop the hate.

think before you comment.

Dont read it, if you dont like this person.

Dont comment, if you are just gonna name call.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Absolutely not.

The person who wrote this diary is a truly disgusting person for perpetuating this bullshit any longer.

Get her the fuck out of here.

by AlexScott 2008-06-03 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

you're amazing.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-03 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

No he is right.  Alegre has been a complete embarassment to this site and progressive democrats for some time and the fact Jerome doesnt have the sack to do something about her cause he is afraid she will "Strike" again is pathetic.

by FinneganOregon 2008-06-04 12:04AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Can't wait till 2012...how ridiculous are you....you're a Republican in Democrats' clothing as far as I'm concerned. Support the nominee or get the hell out of the party!

by mcthatch37 2008-06-03 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Like I said.

Alegre has now become utterly disgusting.

Get her, and this disgusting diary, the fuck out of here.

There is no place for it.  People's lives are literally at stake.

Get her the fuck out of here.

by AlexScott 2008-06-03 10:25PM | 0 recs
I know, I think she's really funny actually but

you're right, people are dying in Iraq every day, we need to start our work for the GE and Alegre is just a stupid distraction at this point.

I think she's on somebody's campaign roll, she's just a shill.  You really shouldn't take her seriously you know, like I said, she really is just a shill.

by hope monger 2008-06-03 11:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I know, I think she's really funny actually bu

Of course.

She's paid by Clinton's campaign.

Her copy/paste talking point diaries were fine before someone was officially a nominee.  Now that she's shown herself to be an opposing force to the process it's crossed a line.  Alegre is disgusting.

by AlexScott 2008-06-03 11:23PM | 0 recs
well now, I don't disagree with that at all!

by hope monger 2008-06-03 11:25PM | 0 recs
she doesn't have the votes, you know it

I love you Alegre, I hope you keep posting this stuff well into Obama's second term

you are just too funny

Hillary is 44!!11!1!

by hope monger 2008-06-03 10:47PM | 0 recs
Please wear a name tag in Denver

I'm sure a lot of us would like to have a face to face discourse with you.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 10:59PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I'd like to formally thank those who've rec'd this so far - you guys have given me hope that this community will be able to come together after the nominee is chosen.  We have GOT to do that guys, if we're going to take out the rethugs in the general election.  You guys ROCK!

Who said that?  YOU said that alegre in your famous "strike" post on KOS.  You said "come together after the nominee is chosen."  

The nominee has been chosen.  Why won't you "come together" in support of him?

by tqdmcgee 2008-06-03 10:59PM | 0 recs
Gold is kind of a symbol of elitism, right?

don't want to come off as elitist for the voters that still haven't voted . . . . (snark)

How about she shines like polished crystal?

wait, still elitist?

damn

how about she shines like the sun?  she shines like the full moon?  she shines like a Star!?

the last one's my favorite

Seriously, gold is a hot commodity right now.  Best not to remind the poor people about how poor they are especially since the Clintons owes so much money to small vendors right now.

by hope monger 2008-06-03 11:00PM | 0 recs
I recced this for two reason

The first is that I can't believe the vitirol aimed at you tonight, I could understand questioning the statement about How only Hillary can win, but what you got is over the line.

The second is that I can see a reflection of how I was for Edwards back last fall.  It really isn't fun to have your candidate lose an election, (Iowa was like a kick in the teeth for me).

Godspeed...

by Student Guy 2008-06-03 11:03PM | 0 recs
Err the 2012 comment is offensive

Sorry Student Guy, the implication there is quite clear and a lot of us take offense at it.

by Regenman 2008-06-03 11:10PM | 0 recs
Wishing for the worst this Nov.?

Come on putting this tag line in your diary is in bad taste and not what is needed at this time:

"We can't wait until 2012 Hillary"

I take it from this comment that you will not help in trying to defeat McCain this November, some Dem you are?

by True Independent 2008-06-03 11:18PM | 0 recs
And so the truth is finally confirmed...


All of this charade since the math has become self evident has been about 2012?

Doing "anything for the party" is just another verbal gaffe?

Many have said all along that after losing become the obvious outcome for the Hillary camp that they adopted the "2012 Kitchen Sink strategy."  I fought the inclination to want to believe it.  I fought the urge to join the "Why won't she just drop out" chorus, though I couldn't help but wonder whose interests she was attempting to serve.

Well, thanks to Allegre, I guess we know exactly "What Hillary wants..."  An Obama loss and a second chance at it in 2012.

Thanks for the heads-up, Allegre.  Now we can at least say we heard it from a Hillary supporter and likely inside source and it's not just dKos conspiracy theory.  Now we can truly empathize with BHO should he choose NOT to make her VP.  Now we can stop being so hard on the dKos 'extremists' and the 'sexist' media punditry for their wild conspiracy theories of how HRC has adopted a scorched earth policy and is willing to take the party down with her as opposed to losing.  

Allegre, I've resisted commenting on your other inflammatory diaries and have never criticized you for your support of HRC.  But today you sicken me.  Yuck...

by ILean Left 2008-06-04 05:32AM | 0 recs
for your own sake I really do hope you don't have

half as much invested emotionally in HRC as you pretend to.  

by hope monger 2008-06-03 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

alegre's last defense of her unhinged, reality-challenged diaries has been that she's positive and she's just supporting her candidate. However, this diary asserts, quite clearly: (i) Obama cannot win, (ii) the diarist is looking forward to Hillary running in 2012 (though she'd prefer a convention fight in 2008), which at the very least reflects a lack of commitment to the Democratic nominee, if not active support for John McCain.  So the pretense that "alegre posts 'positive' diaries and what's wrong with that?" is now gone -- this is a negative diary attacking the Democratic nominee. I don't know if that is a reason, under the rules of this site, for removing it, but I do know this:

At this point, what alegre wants more than anything is attention. This was a spiteful diary from someone whose candidate has lost, whose moment in the spotlight is fading, and who is desperate to keep this community's attention.

If you want alegre to stop and to fade into the irrelevance she deserves, the best thing to do is not to attack her (that's exactly the psychic payoff she craves), but to ignore her.

Next time she posts something like this, don't rec it and don't comment. Just ignore it. It really will be more effective than cursing her out.

by kalman 2008-06-03 11:36PM | 0 recs
I wish I could rec this comment a thousand times!

by hope monger 2008-06-04 12:30AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold
Hillary still shines and so does Alegre - like polished gold - refined in fire and polished to it's finest shine. Night after night, post after post, this writer made effective, well-thought-through, and well-supported arguments to what she hoped would be a reasonable, rational forum of ideas. She tried to peel back the layers of the onion that have become the "idea of Obama" to show the emptiness of character that will eventually lead to the inability to make anything happen. There's an old saying in business that works in politics too: Buying is an emotional process that must be rationalized; selling is a rational process that must be emotionalized. For those with ears to hear, Alegre expressed the hopes and feelings of those who are not only "invisible" to the current President, but also appear to be "invisible" to the "presumptive nominee". It is no sign of maturity or unity that the responders here would prefer her to write elsewhere. We'll see what happens this summer...
by pan230oh 2008-06-04 01:14AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

If it needs to be polished perhaps it is not gold.

by My Ob 2008-06-04 02:08AM | 0 recs
She Shines - see you in Denver (message for her)!
You forgot to mention the link form her letter.
She is asking her supporters for advise and has a link in this statement:
"I hope you're as proud as I am of what we've done and that you'll take a moment to share your thoughts with me now at my website. "
Since this site infected more and more with dkos spammers, I don't want them to pollute her site as well, so I am not posting this link either, but posted on her site my advise:
  • stay in race until convention and try to get nominated, because she is much better candidate and she has better chances in November;
  • get back stolen MI delegates;
  • restore full seating for FL & MI;
  • rollback to uncommitted states votes and delegates from MI, illegally given to Obama;
  • try to convince Supers to is switch to her;
  • make sure that her agenda enforced, regardless of who is nominee. for example, force Obama to replace his idiotic health care plan with hers;
  • during next 2 months GOPs will be much less polite with Obama than she and it will affect his standing with supers;
  • if Obama nominated, put her organization to sleep but keep it intact until 2012, because Obama will lose in 2008 and 2012 will be hers!
by engels 2008-06-04 02:31AM | 0 recs
Re: She Shines - see you in Denver (message for he

Support the nominee.  

Democrats will support the nominee of the party. If you are a Democrat you should be supporting our nominee.  

by tqdmcgee 2008-06-04 02:40AM | 0 recs
Re: She Shines - see you in Denver (message for he
Nobody is a nominee until convention.
Do not tell me what I should do and I have no intention to support the bad nominee.
It is not my fault that supers behave very stupid and against interest of the Democratic Party.
Obama will lose in November.
But we still can prevent it and save the party from disaster - see you in Denver!
by engels 2008-06-04 02:49AM | 0 recs
Re: She Shines - see you in Denver (message for he

Disaster?!?!?!? You are actively courting the disaster by dividing the party and refusing to support the nominee that HAS BEEN SELECTED BY THE PEOPLE.

Grow up.  Support the nominee.  

by tqdmcgee 2008-06-04 02:52AM | 0 recs
Re: She Shines - see you in Denver (message for he

It's in the rules of this site

Support the nominee or get kicked off

which will it be?

at some point you Will have to decide

Let me guess, you'll probably just revert back to a "safer" level of concern trolling at that point

Well, it's about time for you to make that switch now

I'd hate to see another good troll lost just because they didn't know when to take the rhetoric down a notch.  Seriously, it's so hard to find good trolls these days.

by hope monger 2008-06-04 03:50AM | 0 recs
Hillary got 18 millions voters
she got 18 millions voters, more than Obama!
Even if he will illegally add uncommitted votes from MI (he was not on a ballot, because he wanted to please IA caucus goers).
by engels 2008-06-04 02:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary got 18 millions voters

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l

Not if you count everyone.  But hey you are nothing more than a troll.  

Obama won.  GET OVER IT.

by tqdmcgee 2008-06-04 02:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary got 18 millions voters
he got more supers but it may change: GOPs will not treat him politely like Hillary did.
We have a lot of time until convention.
SEE YOU IN DENVER.
by engels 2008-06-04 02:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary got 18 millions voters

Oh I see now... you are nothing more than an attention starved Internet troll.  

Have a nice day then.  No need to continue to feed you.

by tqdmcgee 2008-06-04 02:59AM | 0 recs
Courtney Love covers Dylan

by benmasel 2008-06-04 02:43AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

theres no place like home..........

theres no place like home.........

by citizendave 2008-06-04 03:01AM | 0 recs
Did you expect Alegre to turn on a dime

There is some hope in this diary that Alegre will at least accept Hillary's eventual concession. That's something. Hillary left the door open last night for folks like this, and that was mean to them. She will concede soon, as soon as she can get whatever she can from Obama. This will not include the VP slot, and last night cemented that, but there are many other options.

I would also encourage Clinton supporters to donate to her campaign today. She has a mountain of campaign debt, and I'd at least like to see the small businesses she owes money to paid off. Someone had suggested yesterday that Obama supporters each send her $5, but after last night I don't think that'll be happening, so Clinton people, it's up to you.

We now have a nominee. It's been a long hard fight. Now Sen. McCain, let's have a look at you. We're going to beat you like a bass drum in November, and it all starts today.

by Travis Stark 2008-06-04 03:06AM | 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory?

Has anyone seen Alegre and hillary in the same room?? are they one and the same?

by feliks 2008-06-04 03:42AM | 0 recs
On Sen. Clinton's Bloggers Concall

Senator Clinton specifically thanks Alegre, so you know she approves of the message.

Certainly I have not been as involved in past primaries, so my view is limited.  It has been said that every one is equally as vicious and I am willing to accept that.  So maybe this is normal.

I hope that once Sen. Clinton acknowledges the end of the primaries Alegre and the Hillaris44 crowd will as well.  Beyond that moment, such statements become pure and unfiltered Trollwash.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-06-04 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

I have deep respect for your determination and dedication. You've been one of Hillary Clinton's strongest supporters on MyDD. However, I believe the time has passed for statements like this:

Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top.

I know there was a time, a long time ago, when Clinton herself was saying thing like that, but that was during a heated campaign fight. Lately, she has been saying Obama can win, and that she will do whatever it takes to help make sure a Democrat wins the White House.

I think it's time for all Clinton supporters to stop with the regrets. We have a presumptive nominee, Obama. P.S. The one thing I hope we Democrats learn from this is that the primary system needs to be changed before 2012. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that it's time for other states to have the opportunity to lead the primaries. It's time to knock Iowa off it's undeserved pedestal.

by zenful6219 2008-06-04 03:57AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

The only one???  Are you kidding me?

by Bobby Obama 2008-06-04 04:11AM | 0 recs
I'm sorry, but are you

serious?

Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain

...

I for one hope you take this fight to the Credentials Committee, and then to the floor of the convention.

Stop. Just stop. Please come back to reality. Hillary gave a valiant effort, but it's over. Get behind the nominee, Barack Obama, and do it NOW, or we'll be looking at the end of the Republic as we know it under John Sidney McSame.

It really isn't a difficult decision.

by differance 2008-06-04 04:37AM | 0 recs
my advice?

don't feed the troll

she never responds or comments in her "diaries," classic troll move.

by hope monger 2008-06-04 04:40AM | 0 recs
Credential Committee?

Even if the MI/FL are done in full Obama has the nomination there as well.  Move on all you are doing is hurting the party's chances in Nov, or is all you care about just one candidate.  Deal with it, this is the Democratic Party, not the Hillary Party

by xenontab 2008-06-04 04:50AM | 0 recs
She Shines Just Like Polished Gold

Alegre,

I stand with Hillary and I stand by you. If Hillary wants to take this to Denver, then to Denver we go.

Thanks for all you have done to rally Hillary's supporters in the blogosphere. Like many, I found you on dkos 6 months ago and here we are with Hillary. Just a few delegates shy and with the most votes (almost 18 million), she is the people's nominee. Obama has staked his claim, but a nominee isn't selected until the convention. So, I'm not sure where this journey will take us, but you can count on me to stand by Hillary in what ever she chooses to do.  

I've ponied up a tip for Hillary. It's not much, but it is what I can afford right now.

Date:      June 04, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
Amount: $25.00

by grlpatriot 2008-06-04 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: She Shines Just Like Polished Gold

From your wallet to Mark Penn's fat ass. That money could go to fighting McCain. Hope you're happy with your investment.

by authority song 2008-06-04 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Gee, thanks Hillary.  Because of your non-concession speech last night, we have to put up with God knows how many more Alegre delusion diaries.

Thanks...

by rf7777 2008-06-04 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

This is snark

HRC ain't taking this to Denver;  she'd destroy her own future that way

You diehards had better get used to it, or by all means go support McCain or write in Hillary and join the ranks of history's fools

Obama 2008, Fired Up, Ready to Go, and Yes We Can!  

In fact, yes we did!

by fightbull 2008-06-04 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

She has already destroyed her future with that speech last night. The media quote that best describes her at this point: Deranged narcissist.

by Rationalisto 2008-06-04 06:18AM | 0 recs
Like polished gold?

I was thinking more along the lines of tarnished gold plated metal after her tactless and classless announcement yesterday on such a historical day...

by april34fff 2008-06-04 05:37AM | 0 recs
RE: "We can't wait until 2012 Hillary."

Me neither. I can't wait for her to gracefully get behind incumbent Barack Hussein Obama, just as she did in 2008.  

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-04 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Embarrassing, shameless, and surreally wrong--just like HRC, herself.

You are doing no one any favors at this point.

by Rationalisto 2008-06-04 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

You know alege..
In his great speech last night, our
nominee Sen. Obama in a way shamed me.
In the hurley-burley of this hard fought campaign, I had forgotten who I am.
When you would post your notwentyfivecent crap
my response was anger. Sen. Obama, last night reminded me that I am better than than that...

For algre and her crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-UlTE_m Hs

by nogo postal 2008-06-04 06:50AM | 0 recs
Moderators remove this post

It is un-Democtratic. Promising to help Hillary take her unwinable fight to the convention floor thereby ensuring division in our party at the very least. At worst, it's hoping for an independant Hillary run. Both only serve McCain.

Both only ensure that our Nation never recovers from the dark Bush Jr. years.

Alegre, go to Redstate.org, I'm sure they'll appreciate your efforts.

by BeekerDynasty 2008-06-04 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

Oh.. no one missed when she asked for supporters to go to her campaign site the only input she is really interested in is $$ to help with her debt in the ten's of millions. Glad to see supporters are doing that.(I would probably do the same and have done so for CO candidates I supported who lost.)

by nogo postal 2008-06-04 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold

What a moron. She wants Obama to fail. Isn't that clear? Alegre, it's sucks to invest all your emotion in a cult of personality. Is it to make up for something lacking in your life? Your diary titles would impress even the old editors at Pravda for the leader worship you engage in.

Anyway, I guess that means you are no longer going to be posting at MYDD?

I know we are not supposed to attack other MYDD members, but isnt this a clear case of this woman crossing that fine line by pretty much wishing for Obama to lose this time?

At least, I have met a lot more gracious Hillary supporters in real life who do not take part in this blog.

by Pravin 2008-06-04 07:08AM | 0 recs
she didn't shine last night IMO

but she is shining now in her AIPAC speech.  She is like a completely different woman.  She is giving a strong speech, and for the first time I can see myself accepting her as Vice President if she continues to conduct herself as she is doing this morning.

by TrueBlueMajority 2008-06-04 07:26AM | 0 recs
Frankly, I don't think she should be VP at all

Sen. Obama needs to have his own team; he's earned that right. Although I'm still firmly in Camp Clinton, and believe that she was treated poorly, this notion of her on the ticket is just a bad idea, period.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath, and think this thing through. There are a lot more minuses than pluses, and once cooler heads prevail, I think that will become evident.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-04 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: And Still She Shines - Just Like Polished Gold


Hillary - we're still waiting at the foot of that mountain and you're the only one who can beat McCain and help our nation climb back up to the top.

So Hillary is now... Moses. And it's the other side that's the cult?


So take a little while to catch your breath, and when you're rested and ready we'll be waiting to help you get to the top of that mountain again - polished like gold.

And now, presumably, Hillary's the golden calf.

Alegre, dear, we know you're hurting, and it's ok to knock a few back, but don't overdo it, ok?

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-04 07:30AM | 0 recs
Alegre, please get some counseling

you are far too wrapped in this thing for your own good/health. This is tragic to watch.

It's over, and if you can't face that, then you need to resign from the Democratic Party and get off this blog, because you no longer belong on here if you are going to trash the person who IS the Democratic party nominee.

This shouldn't be tolerated (and will only further damage MyDD's credibility).

by DrPolitics 2008-06-04 07:48AM | 0 recs
Administrators, ratings abuse alerts!!

There are rampant violations of the ratings abuse system on this thread. Will you ban the Clinton supporters for troll rating reasonable, rational, comments from others?

Are you going to continue to allow diaries like this here? When will you put a stop to troll diaries by Clinton supporters.

What's it going to be?

If Clinton had won, and an Obama supporter had written a diary with this same content, you would have banned the diary and diarist instantly.

Please, it's time to do something about this.

by DrPolitics 2008-06-04 07:57AM | 0 recs

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