(Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

There used to be a lot of John Edwards supporters on this site, which made me curious about your sense and sensibilities.

Reporting on Screwball, The Politico's Roger Simon said Hillary's top people have stated, off the record, she would accept the VEEP spot.

And according to Time magazine, Bill Clinton "is pushing real hard for this to happen."Source

Seeing this was a popular site for Edwards and Hillary supporters, let me ask YOU, the reader, who is your first choice for VEEP - Hillary or Edwards?

Remember, this is a Diebold free ballot-box - so vote early and often.

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► Ya know, I'm glad I did this poll. Edwards is STILL enormously popular.

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None of the above.

Bill Richardson.

by Shem 2008-05-22 02:14PM | 0 recs
(Though if made to choose between those two)

I'd go with Hillary.  Edwards brings very little to the ticket.

by Shem 2008-05-22 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: (Though if made to choose between those two)

Edwards brings very little to the ticket.
Two things:  Great hair, no pants suits.

by rb608 2008-05-22 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: (Though if made to choose between those two)

Aren't all non skirt suits pant suits?

by kasjogren 2008-05-22 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: (Though if made to choose between those two)

I'm sure John has nice legs, but he should leave his no-pants suits at home.

by jontabb 2008-05-22 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: (Though if made to choose between those two)

I've never quite forgiven Edwards for losing so spectacularly to Cheney in the VP debate.  Cheney would tell about 10 lies in his time, and Edwards would carefully deconstruct about 3 of them, leaving 7 on the table festering in the electorate's ears.  And there is an answer for that kind of thing, "Dick, Dick, Dick, there you go again."  So Edwards didn't even know his debate history.

Not a good performance for a successful lawyer.

So given those two, Hillary.

by LIsoundview 2008-05-22 04:52PM | 0 recs
I don't rememer this site as pro Richardson?

I limited the choices to the two most overwhelming  popular candidates of this site - at least during the Iowa/NH season.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:18PM | 0 recs
there may be only 2 options...

...for president at this time, but there's a whole wealth of options for veeps.

dare to imagine. :)

by DawnG 2008-05-22 02:44PM | 0 recs
the man main diet is shoe leather

it's in his mouth so often

by debcoop 2008-05-22 02:35PM | 0 recs

can you elaborate?

sounds juicy.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: None of the above.

Sorry, I'm not a big fan of homophobes as Veeps:

http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenc hris/2007/07/bill-richardson.html

and if you really wanted anything having to do with "unity", richardson would not be the path to travel down.

by zcflint05 2008-05-22 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

It's up to Obama.  I don't care.

Edwards has said he does not want it.

And there used to be a lot of Edwards supporters on Daily Kos also.

In fact, Edwards won the straw polls for over a year on Daily Kos.

by TomP 2008-05-22 02:15PM | 0 recs
I have no idea what you just said.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I have no idea what you just said.

He said he's dissillusioned.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-22 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

I think the only "person" in this year to say they want the spot is Huckabee.

Don't expect that kind of talk out of Democrats, we are too clever for that.

God, we have so many good people I kinda wish Obama could have 5 VP's.
My idea is have enough VP's where you have the best and they can hold their positions in the senate, congress, cabinet and be VP.

Might sound rediculous, but all I can imagine is Obama rolling deep with Feingold, Dodd, Edwards, Dean, etc etc  so I am going to come up with some rediculous VP idea  :)

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-22 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

I truly believe Edwards means it. He's already been a VP candidate and didn't like it the first time around when he ran with Kerry. He might consider a position where he could really push his priorities, such as AG or possibly even HUD sec'y, but I don't seeing him agreeing to VP, esp. because I don't see Obama as the type of prez who would allow the VP to wield a lot of power. Moreover, given Elizabeth's health, Edwards is going to be very choosy about how he chooses to spend his time over the next several years.

by Inky 2008-05-22 02:55PM | 0 recs
I chose Hillary for 2 basic reasons

It would instantly unite the party like no other choice could, and it would exponentially increase the chances for a Democratic victory in November.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-22 02:16PM | 0 recs
Yes, no.

Yes, it would "unite" some of the strongest Clinton supporters with our nominee, but others will still see it as a bitter consolation prize.

No, it would undermine Obama's message and support dramatically.  We'd lose support in the mountain west and still have a hard time winning FL.  I don't think she'd be a smart pick for the GE (and Obama's said "no" to her regardless.)

by McNasty 2008-05-22 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I chose Hillary for 2 basic reasons

I agree with the "unite the party" thing.  But I don't think that would necessarily be the best thing for either Obama or Hillary in the long run.  She's set to have a great career in the Senate if she wants it.

by the mollusk 2008-05-22 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I chose Hillary for 2 basic reasons

When I saw your first few words I thought you were about to say it would unite the Republicans like nothing else.  OK, so I'll say it - Hillary on the ticket and the Repubs raise money like nobody's business plus they all come out to vote against her. I think that's one of the few ways we could lose in November.

by Becky G 2008-05-22 02:32PM | 0 recs
Good question - why does the Rightwing Hate Hill?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Good question - why does the Rightwing Hate Hi

What's amazing is that large parts of both the Right AND the Left really, really don't like her (or Bill, for that matter.)

by PhilFR 2008-05-22 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Good question - why does the Rightwing Hate Hi

That does amaze me.  I'm an Obama guy this time around; but with some regrets.  I really do like her; and the irrational but widespread "Hillary hate" baffles me.  A local bakery used to have a Hillary-face doormat.  I say "used to" because I don't know if it's still there; I haven't been back.

by rb608 2008-05-22 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Good question - why does the Rightwing Hate Hi

Ick. I mean, I don't like the Clintons, and I REALLY don't like or trust Hillary over the AUMF vote. But that's just beyond the pale.

A T-shirt store here in Boulder sells a whole line of anti-Hillary shirts, including a Barack/Hillary one with the caption "broes before hoes." Does none of us any good.

by PhilFR 2008-05-22 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Good question - why does the Rightwing Hate

She's smart, she's liberal, and she's outspoken.  Wingers want the little lady to stay home and bake cookies.

by rb608 2008-05-22 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I chose Hillary for 2 basic reasons

I agree, but given only two choices, I went with Hillary.

Hillary may bring more Republicans out, but I think she'd bring more Democrats out than Edwards. (And I'm a former Edwards supporter.)

My top choice is Jim Webb, though I also would like Schweitzer, Clark, McCaskill or even Bayh.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 03:26PM | 0 recs
your theory is only true...

...assuming Clinton doesn't try and sabotage the Obama campaign from the inside (whether intentionally or unintentionally) like Lieberman did with Gore.

We need a veep who will add something to the ticket but not outshine the nominee for president and I can't see that being Clinton.  (mostly because of Bill, I'm sad to say)

by DawnG 2008-05-22 02:46PM | 0 recs

I wonder why all of a sudden there are all these rules for a VP choice based on some sort of "conventional wisdom" when all along Obama has been running on "no more politics as usual".

Example one, a VP choice that won't outshine him. Why?  Because that's how it's always been done?

and as long as the whole thing is new and change-making and all, why wouldn't Bill Clinton bring as much to the campaign as he might take away?  What...are hardcore left-wingers going to not vote Obama because they can't stand Bill?  This makes no sense to me.

And anyone who still thinks Hillary Clinton, in some mythic mysterious way, can unite the GOP any more than Obama?  Needs their head examined for dangerous preconceptions.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-05-22 03:52PM | 0 recs
uh, no.

VP that won't outshine him because HE is the one running for president and he's the one that people ultimately need to mark on the ballot.

That's not "politics as usual", that's just common sense.

And when I say VP can't outshine pres, I mean the VP should not be dominating the campaign.  it's Obama's campaign and he needs to be the one in charge, not Clinton.  I just don't see Clinton allowing herself to be in a subordinate role to Obama and that might be why he might refuse her.

by DawnG 2008-05-22 04:32PM | 0 recs
I say whoever Obama picks

My guess would be Gov. Kaine from VA.

It is unlikely that Hillary would be offered the VP by Obama.  Likewise Edwards (however electorally dominating it would be) doesn't want the job.

I think the reason Edwards did so well in the PA and NM VP polls is that people know about him.  The other candidates weren't well known (except Ed Rendell in the PA numbers which shows that he is a weak pick).

by Student Guy 2008-05-22 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I say whoever Obama picks

Actually, I heard a Washington Post reporter (no fan of Senator Clinton either) make a strong case for why the VP slot is hers to turn down.  

1.  She is currently holding all the cards, which is why she's staying in.  It isn't vanity or lunacy; she's solidfying her power position.  She will have the power to create quite a mess in Denver, or at least spoil the fun.

2. Obama can't offer the VP slot to another woman without half the party going nuts if Hillary didn't turn it down first.  He can't bypass the strongest woman out there for another one -- it will be read as simple pandering to women and sour grapes.  He has to offer it to a white man if he doesn't offer it to Hillary.

3. It's essentially hers to turn down, not Obama's to offer.  Obama is limping right now and the pressure on him from every corner to offer it to her is enormous.  It's not a question of will he deign to have her on the ticket, it's a question of will she accept it and conventional wisdom says she would.  If Obama plants his feet on this one it could cost him dearly in both September and November as the pro-Hillary machines accross the country turn their energies towards pushing down the ticket and allow him to stew in his own juices in the fall.  The party Old School doesn't suffer arrogance or stubborness gracefully.

4.  There is certainly precident of contentious primary rivals serving on the same ticket and in the same White House.  

5.  Hillary would bring her baggage of course, but she would also bring considerable fire power.  Women excited to see a first woman president could get almost as geeked over a first female VP.  She would unpack and serve for lunch anyone the GOP ran in a debate.  She is a tireless campaigner.  (duh) Ad Bill can move mountains if he's 100% on board.

6. The single strong negative she would bring to the ticket is "too much change" as in no one for white males to identify with.  Obama is feeling strong pressure from a different faction to choose a white male strong on defense and foreign policy, top of the list Wesley Clark.

7. This whole idea of Clinton "galvanizing" the GOP base is a red herring argument.  The same people she would supposedly "galvanize" are the same people who dispise John McCain.  They'll vote maybe, but these aren't folks who would bleed in their shoe leather knocking on doors for the MAverick.  

8.  At the end of the day, providing she doesn't attack Obama between now and then, Clinton will want something for stepping aside gracefully -- a say in how Michigan and Florida are seated, a say in how the convention looks and her role in it, a say in cabinet appointments and she will need to agree to her role after January.  Right now, Obama needs Clinton much more than she needs him.  Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-05-22 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I say whoever Obama picks

At least MyDD has half the ticket right now.

by Sam Wise Gingy 2008-05-22 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: I say whoever Obama picks

3. Not quite. There is some pressure from Clinton supporters but that's about it. There's more pressure from Obama supporters not to have her on the ticket.

6. Disagree. Millions of white males (like me, for example) support Obama and would support a female VP on the ticket. Just not her.

7. GOPers who despise McCain won't come out to vote for him. They will come out to vote against Hillary. I'd rather keep them at home.

8. Right now Obama is looking for a way to avoid calling the police and having her arrested for stalking. He needs her like he needs a hole in the head.

by edg1 2008-05-22 05:22PM | 0 recs
The correct diagnosis.

Thank you.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-22 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Hillary if she wants it.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-22 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Only if Bill promises to stay away and not meddle.

Webb or Richardson if she doesn't want it.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-22 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

I'm sure Bill would keep that promise.  He would have to sign a pledge to not set foot on US soil the entire length of the presidency.

by nwgates 2008-05-22 02:56PM | 0 recs
Edwards for Me

I voted Edwards--but like the idea of Richardson or Clarke better, and Sam Nunn as a sort of darkhorse perhaps best.

I'd rather win with Hillary as the veep than lose without her, but I believe Obama can win either way.

I'd even take Bob Graham as a sort of wild card veep, maybe he could help deliver FL.

As one of the pundits said--it will likely be someone totally off the radar that makes people say, "Duh!  Why didn't I think of him/her?"

by AK Democrat 2008-05-22 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Sebelius, Webb, or Richardson for me.  I think John Edwards would make a perfect AG, and I anticipate Senator Clinton becoming Governor Clinton in 2010.  

by HSTruman 2008-05-22 02:31PM | 0 recs
First Exit Poll Data

► Edwards is leading among people named Elizabeth

► Hillary is leading among Debbie Wasserman Schultz

► Al is leading among Brooklyn street dancers

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:31PM | 0 recs
Geralidine Ferraro!

She was great in 1984 and has done nothing but make Democrats proud.

I don't know who is more annoying&delusional her, or Katherine Harris?

Im guessing she will become a "talking head" for all the republicans to point and make fun of.

What an embarrassment.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-22 02:36PM | 0 recs
She just being a soldier

I disagree with what's she's doing and saying, but she's only trying to gin up heat. she's one of the very few "my way or the highway" players.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: She just being a soldier

I don't buy it,  there is no way she has no handlers that would let her embarrass herself over and over again.

She is the worst, like I said, I respect her as much as Katherine Harris.

I watch this video and all I see is an ignorant and racist woman.
I have no sympathy or any love for her.

At best she's a liar,
At worst a racist turncoat who now works for Fox news.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-22 02:44PM | 0 recs
she has handlers - no doubt

she didn't accidentally fall on the couch of the Today Show on election day.

but there are different wings within the Hillary camp.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:49PM | 0 recs
I must agree.

I was really proud when Ferraro was on the ticket.  That was my Democratic Party putting money where its mouth was.

She's been around too long and is too smart to not know what the end effect of her comment campaign will be.  Her racism I think is invisible to her at a conscious level, although it's painfully obvious to us.  But the destructive nature of her comments to the Party is something she's well aware of, but she's doing it anyway.  I don't have anything nice to say about her now.

by McNasty 2008-05-22 02:50PM | 0 recs
There's a lot of bitterness there

she ran for the Senate twice and failed to get the nomination each time.

► in 1992, she lost to Bob Abrams from the Bronx

► in 1998, she lost to Schumer from Brooklyn

that made her bitter

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 03:03PM | 0 recs
oh man...

...Katherine Harris without a doubt is more annoying than Ferraro.

Do you remember how Harris would throw her chest out everytime she was on camera?  And she was flirty and crazy and very undigified.

by DawnG 2008-05-22 02:48PM | 0 recs
Do you blame Harris?

augmentation surgery is very painful - she didn't endure all that pain, for nothing.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:51PM | 0 recs
I don't know from augmentation..

...but she certainly took the "if you got it, flaunt it" adage far too seriously.

Not becoming of a congressional representative at all.

by DawnG 2008-05-22 02:58PM | 0 recs
Unity Video!!!

► What better way to demonstrate unity, than through a song from the Brady Bunch!

C'mon everybody...sing a long!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:47PM | 0 recs
Barbara Boxer would be my pick.

If not her, Katherine Sebelius.

by Firewall 2008-05-22 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Between those two, it would have to be Clinton.  Edwards really doesn't bring anything to the table, in my opinion.

by rfahey22 2008-05-22 02:57PM | 0 recs
Exit Poll # 2

► 3% say, I forgot Poland - D'oh!

► 53% say, more eye-candy, Al

► 147% say, can you smell what the Barack is cook'n!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-22 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Did Hilary aleady ask for the VP slot, only to get turned down? Oh, to be a fly on that wall.


by Rationalisto 2008-05-22 03:18PM | 0 recs
Edwards good choice

If Hillary declines or Obama does not want her on the ticket, then Edwards would be the perfect choice. The big factor Edwards has is that he is already well known by voters and the democrats will not lose any govenors or senate seats. The longer this nomination process goes on,  the shorter time Obama has to run a GE election campaign with his running mate. If Obama chooses Rendell, Webb,Richardson, etc, then the Obama campaign will have to spend time introducing them to the GE voters. Of course here at mydd we are familiar already with Obama's list but the average voter will not be. Introducing and allowing the GE voters to get to know the VP is time Obama does not have.  Obama is better off with an established running mate known by America. That way instead of spending time introducing the VP, they can spend time attacking McCain. Also, Edwards is not in office so we will not lose any senate or gov. seats. If Obama picks Webb or any other senator then we run a risk of a republican taking over their seat. I do not think it is worth it. We need all the democrats we can get in the Senate. Whoever Obama picks I am sure will be fine?

by harmony94 2008-05-22 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Claire McCaskill it will be. I know this from both decoded messages from my tin foil cap & from my heart.

by catilinus 2008-05-22 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

she's one of the gang of 14 thats all i need to know claire needs to stay in Mo as a Senator hopefully with a majority in the senate Democrats can retire that gang.

by tpagy 2008-05-22 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Tough choice.  In truth, I'd say "SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!"  They'd both be strong candidates (assuming a victory) in 2016, as clear frontrunners for the nomination.

by freedom78 2008-05-22 05:47PM | 0 recs
Obama should pick a HRC supporter like Wes Clark

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-22 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: (Poll) VEEP: Hillary or Edwards

Either one would be a fool to agree to be Obama's VP, a real lose/lose choice for either one. Both JRE and Hillary would be better off staying as far away from Obama as possible. If nominated, Obama will lose to McCain, but if by some miracle he was elected, both need to be in a position to keep pressure on a President Obama, so that he doesn't move to his natural position on the right side of center. If as I think, Obama loses to McCain, then both need to distance themselves from him, so that they can run as untarnished candidates in 2012.  

by muggle 2008-05-22 06:53PM | 0 recs
Gallup has Obama way up over McCain

Oh great political sage.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-22 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Gallup has Obama way up over McCain

You can usually find a poll that supports your view, if you try. I think Obama will lose, unless McCain really screws it up. McCain will get many of the white working class of both parties, you know, those old bitter people that cling to god and guns, plus all the racist voters, of which there seems to be still many in this country.

by muggle 2008-05-23 01:35AM | 0 recs


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