Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear



According to Todd, on the front page, Hillary has finally issued a denouement of Bush's smear.

This begs the question: why did it take Howard Wolfson 8 hours to respond? After all, Wolfson is the best flak in the business, and the Clintons are famed for inventing the rapid response in 1992. Yet, they were the last Dems to respond, not the first.

After all, would Wolfson have waited all day, if Bush and McSame had attacked Chelsea? Of course not.


Let's be real, they only issued this tardy response because of the forming blogswarm.


RAPID CITY, S.D. (NY Times) - After a day spent doggedly campaigning and talking only of her agricultural agenda, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton held an impromptu news conference on a windy airport tarmac today to criticize President Bush and Senator John McCain.

Until the hastily arranged news conference, Mrs. Clinton had spent most of her day ignoring the political firestorms that had erupted over Mr. Bush and Mr. McCain’s remarks.

She declined to take questions from reporters as she made idle chit chat on her campaign plane this morning.

And while the rest of the political world squabbled over foreign policy, Mrs. Clinton took her struggling presidential campaign bumping over dusty, dirt roads in South Dakota for a speech focusing solely on her farm agenda.

Only after arriving in Rapid City for a refueling stop did Mrs. Clinton briefly address reporters, calling President Bush’s comments “offensive and outrageous.”


Tags: Clinton 2012, DINO, Hillary Clinton, McClinton, scorched earth, Sore Loser (all tags)



Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear


by niksder 2008-05-15 12:09PM | 0 recs
As a fierce Obama partisan I have to say Clinton's

statement was spot on and a great example of putting party before self interest. I expected her to take a parting shot at her own distinction on negotiations but she didn't and she deserves to be commended for not taking the cheap shot.

That said the general election cmapaign between Obama and McCain we'll be seen as beginning on this day, May 15, 2008.

by DSloth 2008-05-15 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

She really told him!

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:12PM | 0 recs
Oh Damn

I get it it.

She said NOTHING.

If that is the case she needs to drop out, before American's really start to hate her.

She definitely will lose ALL Jewish support over this one.

Comparing Obama to Hitler,  if it's too hard for Hillary to attack Bush on that, how will she ever attack a republican for ANYTHING!!!

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

Obama already has lost all Jewish support. nice try.

by owl06 2008-05-15 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

You do realize in general election match ups, he gets 60% of the Jewish vote? http://www.gallup.com/poll/107059/Obama- Beats-McCain-Among-Jewish-Voters.aspx

by The Distillery 2008-05-15 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

That's the worst percentage of the Jewish vote for a Democrat in the general election since Ronald Reagan beat Jimmy Carter.

Yet another part of the "old" Democratic coalition that the new Democratic coalition no longer needs.

by Inky 2008-05-15 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

Also a reflection of rumors that he's anti-Isreal. Which is about as true as rumors he's not pro-choice.

by Falsehood 2008-05-15 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

Uh, I'm Jewish and I support him.  So's my Mom, same with my siblings.  And certainly we aren't alone.

Nice troll.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-15 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

I'm Jewish, and all the Jews I know except 2 are supporting Obama.

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-15 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

Nope.  Just you.  You have now lost all Jewish support.  We just had a meeting.  We don't support you anymore.  You're out.

by Strummerson 2008-05-15 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

Quite the contrary - you must be ignorant.  Bush compared Obama to Neville Chamberlain.

by Benjamin3 2008-05-15 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Damn

your the one defending Bush.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:11PM | 0 recs

by Goober Pea 2008-05-15 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Hillary, today in Rapid City, South Dakota, defended Obama from President Bush's apparent comparison of him to Neville Chamberlain, Ken Vogel reports.

She told reporters:

President Bush's comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face of it, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy. This is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary celebration of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced. Unfortunately, this is what we've come to expect from President Bush.



by zane 2008-05-15 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Thanks for setting the record straight, and good on Hillary for this.

by freedom78 2008-05-15 12:20PM | 0 recs
when did that happen?

got a date stamp?

Chimpy's smear happened 8 hrs ago.  Howard Wolfson is very capable, and he has a blackberry, if he has responded, he should have led the rapid response.

John Kerry just called Bush, "dumb"

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: when did that happen?

I'm voting for Barack, but I think this is just simply unfair to Hillary and her supporters.

Please update the diary with her feedback or delete this.  This accomplishes nothing productive.

And by the way, for those who think DKos is a safe haven for this kind of stuff, the good folks with TR privileges on Kos would have had this deleted pronto and TR'd the diarist to death if this was tried there.  

by ILean Left 2008-05-15 12:30PM | 0 recs
how is this unfair

if you can support your conclusion, I'll be happy to defer.

but simply say so, doesn't make it so.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:04PM | 0 recs
Al, I LOVE your Obama diaries

on DailyKos but this diary is really unnecessary. The primary is practically over. It's time to move on.

by Sopianae 2008-05-15 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Al, I LOVE your Obama diaries

Thats the point,  we NEED Hillary to attack Bush and McCain.

If she wants ANY future in our party she will have to do it.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 12:45PM | 0 recs
Well, she is still running.

Give her two more weeks. Ler her wind down. Give her supporters a little more time to accept reality. Josh Marshall put it best:

We seem to have arrived at an equitable compromise: Sen. Clinton is staying in the nomination race while Sen. Obama drops out to move on to the general.

I am actually happy to see that virtually every major Democrat came out against Bush hard. This is what it means to have a nominee.

by Sopianae 2008-05-15 01:01PM | 0 recs
I disagree

Hillary's recalcitrance is unacceptable.  

She should have responded quickly - as if her husband was being smeared.

At the time I posted this diary, she had still not made a statement.  She was silent.  And can not not be tolerated.  She's issued a statement, and I've updated the diary, yet the question stands, why the delay.

This only furthers my opinion, (once again, my opinion) that Hillary is running a 2012 campaign.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Al, I LOVE your Obama diaries

Stop your threats. She is a Democrat and a big part of my Party.

by Actright 2008-05-15 01:09PM | 0 recs
nobody likes threats

at the same time Hillary's supporters are making similar statements within this diary, and on a constant basis on this blog.  you should be equally outraged across the board, not selectively.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:15PM | 0 recs
Cry me a river

If you are going to complain about anything you should consider complaining about Hillary issuing a tougher response than your candidate or any of his surrogates.

by daria g 2008-05-15 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

still waiting for the apology from AL, the court jester, no one likes the clown Al, they laugh at the jester not with him.

by zane 2008-05-15 12:19PM | 0 recs
so who likes you then?

you got me laughing at least.

by rabidnation 2008-05-15 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

i've always had a soft spot for the class clown

by citizendave 2008-05-15 12:23PM | 0 recs
You're silly, Al.

Here I was thinking she was going to say something that made me proud.  Gee, thanks!

by The Distillery 2008-05-15 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Update Al.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:20PM | 0 recs

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

He Al, here comes the "thanks for wasting my 5 seconds of my time to click on this diary, you know this doesn't constitute a diary and breaks MYDD rules,  I'm going to tell."

As to your diary, I'm a hopeless believer.   Hillary will say something later because I believe Hillary, as a leader in the party, knows that dip-shit's comments are a direct attack on the Democratic party.  She's out fundraising right now trying to fix a little debt problem she has.  So, expect her to comment on it sometime tonight...I really hope so at least..    

by reggie23 2008-05-15 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Well Al, looks like Hillary did, be the better man and preform a mea culpa.

by reggie23 2008-05-15 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

"perform" of course

by reggie23 2008-05-15 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Come on now, I think this was his best diary ever. I only wish all his diaries were exactly like this one.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 12:23PM | 0 recs
With those tags, you declared yourself a troll.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Scorched Earth, Sore Loser, Clinton 2012, McClinton, DINO (all tags)

Note to admins:  It should be a bannable offense to write diaries with tags like that, because the author has made it clear in his tags that he's a troll, posting a troll diary, for trollish reasons.

That is all.

Carry on everyone.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-15 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: With those tags, you declared yourself a troll

amen, Al has become a reprehensible troll, his sole purpose these past two weeks has been to enflame Clinton supporters. I think he thinks he is being funny, and maybe he thinks he is aiding his cause. Perhaps it is just because he loves reveling in other peoples disappointment, hurt and anger.

by zane 2008-05-15 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: With those tags, you declared yourself a troll

So now this site is  only for clintonites to vent their dissapointment, hurt and anger????? That's what taylormarsh mouth and hill44 is for.

by venician 2008-05-15 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: With those tags, you declared yourself a troll

Note to user living under rock:

This site has no rules.

Rules are broken all the time and not dealt with at all.

Users are disciplined with no breaking of rules or explanation why.

Sounds like no rules to me.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 12:29PM | 0 recs
if ya can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:33PM | 0 recs
Hey Al, can you explain your TR of my comment? nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-15 01:24PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters response to party unity

Fanning the flames of divisiveness. I'll remember all the slams and smears on Nov. 4. You bet I will.

Choice for President:


by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-15 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters response to party unity

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-15 12:30PM | 0 recs
You just don't get it

Do you. Well, far be it from me. Carry on.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-15 12:33PM | 0 recs
AL: Don't be a twit

C'mon now.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-15 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

After all, would Wolfson have waited all day, if Bush and McSame had attacked Chelsea? Of course not. Shameful. In reality, they only issued this late response because of the forming blogswarm. Shameful.

pathetic Al, you could have just admitted you were wrong, instead you chose to make this stupid statement.

Barack Obama is not Hillary CLintons daughter.

by zane 2008-05-15 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Al had a great point.

You know why Hillary will never be Obama's VP, because she should have been rushing to bash bush over this, especially if she wants respect.

When Shuster said "pimp" he was flushed out in 1 hour tops.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Can you please provide me with a link to Obama's statement condemning Shuster for this remark.

Seems all the need for condemning is one sided.

by MOBlue 2008-05-15 03:31PM | 0 recs
whining doesn't the false into the positive

as Todd has posted on the front page, Clinton just released their statement, at the top of the hour, 4 PM EDT.

Bush's smear occurred at 8:30 AM EDT.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

What an update, not man enought to admit a mistake. We can only hope this is a troll, because if this is characteristic of Obama supporters, we are in a lot of trouble.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

this is no troll, this is a one time front page poster on dKos.

Hmm i guess some of what gets on dkos FP could be considered trollish currently.

by zane 2008-05-15 12:34PM | 0 recs
what mistake?

point to the inaccuracy.

spell it out.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: what mistake?

T-R-O-L-L. Did I win the spelling bee?

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 01:43PM | 0 recs
see, I was right.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: see, I was right.

Yeah troll, I'm sure you're right--extreme right.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: see, I was right.

And why don't you go find some videos, your banter is really weak.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 03:10PM | 0 recs
Sexist - shame on you

"What an update, not man enought to admit a mistake. "

first of all, it's not a mistake.  when this diary ws posted, hillary had yet to issue a statement.  

second, you remark about gender is sexist.  Shame on, you!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Sexist - shame on you

Go back to your little green footballs, you're  fooling less and less people everyday.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 01:41PM | 0 recs
still a sexist

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: still a sexist

You're still a troll.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Dude, so childish.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

The only purpose of a diary like this is to keep us divided, and help McCain. don't go for it.

by pollbuster 2008-05-15 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear
Al - wrong again. Still posting the same trollish BS. At least there are not 48 pictures this time. Playing gotcha on behalf of Republicans is a really sad pathetic thing you do. You are not supporting Obama. You are motivated by Hillary-hate. That is all. From now on, you get zeroed out. Later Al. You fool no one.
by Jeter 2008-05-15 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

So what if Hillary said nothing at all today.

Or she waited till tommorow night for the weekend dump,  what would you say then.

You have to understand that after the "as far as I know" trick and a hundred more just like it it is easy for us to see this.

Also saying McCain was ready for Commander in Chief, but she didnt know if Obama was?

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 12:41PM | 0 recs
Abuse the ratings at your own risk

go ahead, abuse the ratings system, the consequences will be yours.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:51PM | 0 recs
you counted the number of photos I posted?

I'm honored.

That's a distinguished compliment.

Thank you.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: you counted the number of photos I posted?
Yes, Al. Your posts matter. They count. Too many pictures is just too many pictures. As for Edwards, well, he's John Edwards.
by Jeter 2008-05-17 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Excuse me?  Why did Hillary wait???  Are you being funny?

First off, Bush just made the statement today because I was watching him on CSPAN this morning (by the way, what is wrong with Laura's face?  It looked strange.  And Condi looked bored).

So Hillary made a statement about the same time as Biden and Obama and Dean anyone else who wanted to say something.

Second, excuse me, but Barry's a big boy, he can defend himself (or get Axelrod to do it for him) and doesn't need Hillary to come to his defense.

Obama shills need to calm down before you turn off the other half of the Democratic Party.

by stefystef 2008-05-15 12:40PM | 0 recs
insults - I'm Shocked

you can't preach unity with one hand and then insult with the other.

Clintons will not receive a free pass.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

What was Obama's response when Randi Rhodes called Clinton a whore?  Oh yeah, wait, there wasn't one.

Seriously if you are going to call out the other candidates for not responding to attacks on each other there is plenty of that to spread around.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

Randi Rhodes= irrelevant AA radio host.

George W Bush= world's most famous tyrant, repsonisble for the deaths of 4000+ Americans and 100000+ Iraqis.

Jennifer you should be embarrassed for your statement.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

George, you should be embarrased over your ridiculous asshatery on this site today.  Don't you think, George?

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

What asshatery.

you compare a response between a comdedian calling Hillary a name, and GWB comparing Democrats to Nazi's.

The only hate I showed today was towards the Republican troll which you guys are more than happy to have on board, ChitownDenny.

I dare you to have him removed from this site, but you wont because he fills your agenda.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

I can't remove anyone from the site.  I am not even sure I know who you are talking about.  But.. what you are advocating for sounds suspiciously like censorship.  Just because we don't agree with people doesn't mean they don't the right to show their ignorance.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: insults - I'm Shocked

no no. see HRC did respond, just not fast enough for this diarist.  she took HOURS to respond dammit! what a joke.

by canadian gal 2008-05-15 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

If the primary is over, can we get an ETA on the shelf life for the derangement?  Because really, this is way over the top.  Al, your Unity Pony is going to have "YOU'RE NOT HELPING" branded on the side.

The irony is that Hillary's statement, while pretty unremarkable, is still tougher on Bush than what Obama himself said.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 12:43PM | 0 recs
how so?

how is this over the top?

how is this inaccurate?

go ahead - try and answer these questions.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: how so?

Castigating Hillary in these terms for taking a couple hours longer to issue a statement than you would have liked is just ridiculous.  It's not a race.  You're just stirring shit up, and I can't think of any good reason for it.

You are better than your posts at MyDD would suggest, Al.  You're a very funny guy and you have an unparalleled ability to energize progressives with your graphics and enthusiasm.  Since this primary is basically over, rather than spend your time berating the minority of dead-enders that populate this site, there's something a lot better you could be doing for the Democratic cause.

There are an awful lot of Clinton supporters are capable of being brought around by November, but have their back up because of the constant demonization of Hillary on the blogs and in the media.  We're past the time when the overriding goal is to fire up the Obama-supporting base by going on about how evil Hillary is.

There's only so much any one of us can do to help unify the party and elect a Democrat, but you're in a position to do more than most.  I encourage you to reflect on what purpose your posts here are serving, and to consider easing up on the throttle because it's not doing a damn thing to help put a Democrat in the White House.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 01:38PM | 0 recs
I don't get this

Obama is constantly attacked on this blog - in the diaries, in the comments, on the front page (Jerome's preener post on tuesday).  On tuesday, people posted comments demanding a floor fight at the convention and even asked Hillary to sue the DNC to overturn the seating of caucus delegates. If you endorse Obama, like NARAL, you're immediately denounced in a recommended diary.  Yet, Clinton supporter's are not able to endure any amount of scrutiny - none.  It doesn't matter what you say, or don't say.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't get this

I don't disagree with you, but it's important to keep your eye on the ball.

You are 100% invested in electing Barack Obama President.  I am maybe 90% invested in the same thing.  These people you're talking about are 0% invested in it.  So while their behavior is certainly destructive to the cause of party unity, their actions rationally proceed from a motivation.  They don't care about electing Barack Obama.  But you do!

Maybe it feels like everyone here is a dead-ender, but they're not, and there's a lot of people who are reachable.  But when you attack Hillary, you're not just poking a stick at the dead-enders, you're poking it at everyone who likes Hillary.

There's been a real failure to see the other guy's point of view throughout this primary, one which I hope I haven't fallen prey to.  You know, if I was a 100% Obama supporter, and I was flat-out convinced that Hillary ran a disgusting race-baiting campaign and was justifiably smacked down by the electorate for it, I wouldn't be going on about it at this point.  Winning the election is more important than attempting to convince every last Clinton supporter to accept the Obama narrative in every particular.  Please try to think about what I'm saying.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 02:18PM | 0 recs
"berating the minority of dead-ender" ?

I berated no one here, with my post.

it was and some of your colleagues you resorted to invectives.

I don't understand - minority?  70% of this blog supporters Hillary.

"deadenders" - HA!  clinton's operatives are tough as nails - they're no softies.  

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 02:16PM | 0 recs
"berating the minority of dead-ender"

By "dead-enders" I mean the people who will not vote for Obama as the nominee under any circumstances.

I think they are a minority among the Clinton supporters on this site, and I don't think it's wise to alienate all the others just to make some sort of point to the dead-enders.

I'd invite you to describe to me how you feel this diary - or, in general, your incessant mocking of Hillary Clinton - advances the cause of electing Barack Obama in November.  If you have such an argument, I think it surely must rest upon some false assumptions.

by Steve M 2008-05-15 02:21PM | 0 recs
PS I appericate the compliments.


I voted & supported Hill in 2000.  not too many people on this board can say that.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 02:17PM | 0 recs
Memo to Clinton apologists

Abe Ribicoff was right:

"How hard it is to accept the truth," Aug. 28, 1968.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Give it a rest buddy!  

Taking 8 hours to respond to a nuclear missile attack on the US would be shameful.  Taking 8 hours to respond to a political smear with a comment that it was unacceptable (and arguably a better response than Obama's own response) is perfectly acceptable.

Let's stop stirring up sh*t just to stir up sh%t!

by mikes101 2008-05-15 12:46PM | 0 recs

Delete this diary.

by moevaughn 2008-05-15 12:48PM | 0 recs

it includes an update.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 12:55PM | 0 recs
I have to admit, as trollish as you are behaving,

that comment about the update was pretty funny.

(shakes it off and gets pissed at the diarist once again)

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-15 01:31PM | 0 recs

you still haven't explained your position, after two tries, I can only conclude you're unable too.

you just keep saying, "cuz" as in, "why is the sky blue? - cuz it is."

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:58PM | 0 recs
Do you have me confused w/someone else?nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-05-15 04:50PM | 0 recs
Such childish drivel

So now Hillary's got to be Obama's rapid response team?  

This "diary" is more aptly named "diarrhea".  It's one of the most immature (and that's saying a lot here) piece of crap I've seen.

Grow up, please.  There's enough kiddies on the internet.  

by DaTruth 2008-05-15 01:00PM | 0 recs

This "diary" is more aptly named "diarrhea".  

talk about immature. HA!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

I'm an obama supporter and I have to say that this diary is BS.  I think she answered forcefully and appropriately.  No matter who the nominee is, we cannot let this Bush-garbage continue to be accepted by America as "truth."  

I applaud Hillary.  I especially applaud Joe Biden, though, for his remarks

by ckd5555 2008-05-15 01:01PM | 0 recs
How so?

if really a supporter, her delay was unacceptable.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Whatever you think of Hillary, I think it's fair to say she has a lot on her plate right now.  Her delay in responding to this is not important - that she issued a forceful denunciation IS important.  

I'm no Hillary supporter, but this week she has mostly done her part to promote unity - issuing forceful rebuttals of this and the Hamas smear.  Let's positively reinforce that effort...

by SpideyDem 2008-05-15 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

I agree.

But I wonder if Bush made this comment knowing it would test Hillary and our party's unity.

She condemned it and thats great, but if she is trying to impress superdelegates and party elders in general she should have been first.

We can all agree that if the VP spot is anything she has a remote interest in, she missed a solid opportunity to achieve that.

I want to see Hillary fighting Bush/McCain/GOP.

We need her for that fight!

She can pretend to keep her campagin till june, fine.
But she needs to be the "Fighter" she is so famous for.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

I think she's getting there and that she'll eventually get there.  I've thought that in the past (i.e. "I'm proud to be sitting here with Barack Obama" at that one debate) and she's disappointed me.  I like what I've seen from her this week - color me cautiously optimistic.  She's moving in the right direction - fingers crossed...

by SpideyDem 2008-05-15 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Well, this more hindsight, but if she was looking for a graceful exit as so many say, today the opportunity was sitting RIGHT there.

Think about it,   for her a high note is a win in Kentucky,  not a gleaming historical show of party unity.

Im just dissapointed.

If her concession doesn't breed positivity I will be really dissapointed.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

But she DID issue the statement and it was not qualified ... I'm fine.  I'm not expecting her to carry water for Barack at this point, although it may be a good way for her to impress Supers as you say.

She also acknowledged this week that her "white voters" comment was a mistake and hasn't gone back to that type of comment.  Seems like my bar for her is just lower than yours, but I'm happy with what I'm seeing.  I fundamentally believe that she is a good person and a good Dem who just REALLY, REALLY wanted to win.

by SpideyDem 2008-05-15 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Agreements all around!

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Why is it incumbent on Hillary to respond first to an attack on Obama?  Do you not trust your candidate to handle his own battles?  I guess not.  

BTW Biden's response was the best one out of them all.  Hillary's was better than Obama's.  

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 01:19PM | 0 recs

she's trying to persuade supers she'll be the toughest one to face the swiftboats.  That requires a contemporaneous reaction, not an all-day delay.

let me ask you, why did Clinton wait so long?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: cuz

I don't feel she waited that long.  Surely you must know she has a lot going on right now.  It's not like she said "well George Bush is entitled to his own opinion" or anything like that.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 01:41PM | 0 recs
like what

"she has a lot going on right now"

Howard Wolfson is the best at cranking out talking points, memos, and responses.  He's like a super computer.

there's nothing that kept him from responding so long.  

And, again, when I posted this diary, she had not made a response.  If anything, I waited a long time to question's Clinton's lack of response.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: like what

Nothing will make you happy, so why even try.  Hell if she had jumped on a plane and went up and bitch slapped him you would complain that she didn't use brass knuckles.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 02:44PM | 0 recs

*Typical Obama Supporter Full of Hate Pushing Away Hillary Supporters.  

Al, Hillary's so-called 8 hours to respond to Bush's remark is a lot better than Obama's position of Chairman of the Subcommittee on European affairs never holding meetings  or any oversight hearings on the role of NATO in Afghanistan because he was "too busy running for Dem nom. for President".  Puhleeze!  Do you really want to go there and open up all the political "faux pas" of Obamas.  "Great Lakes in Oregon,". . . all "57 states and two more to go,". . . etc., etc., etc.  

by truthseeker2 2008-05-15 01:19PM | 0 recs
who's hateful now

you can't justify or defend her delay, so you're only left with "he's no better - he did it, too!"


by Al Rodgers 2008-05-15 01:26PM | 0 recs
I am kinda tired of the demanded responses.

I really don't like it comming from Obama and his supporters any more than Hillary or McCain.

Demanding the other side apologize is so tiresome.

And does it really help?
Bush looked like an asshole when he said it, and he put himself on a tee for Obama to smash.   Making it about apologies, and rejects just makes the people demanding them look stupid.

Bush making an incredibly stupid comment only helps Obama.
Demanding apologies and responses doesn't.

Can we please stop doing this?
As long as Hillary doesn't have  a negative and reinforcing response I am happy.  Even if that means she is silent.

Like the GOP attacking Michelle, don't cut short their rope by demanding apologies and responses, when they are about to hang themselves.

by Tumult 2008-05-15 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I am kinda tired of the demanded responses.

I agree,

and thats why it is not an issue on the MSM but here on a liberal blog.

WE should all rejoice seeing that Biden has finally grown a backbone to the tyrant George W Bush.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Al, this is ridiculous. I mean, really, you're grasping for straws here, and I think I've been pretty fair about this whole Obama winning thing, but Hillary's remarks were out in plenty of time and plenty forceful enough to get the message through.

This just sounds like more Hillary-hate...and I "know it when I see it". It's time to move past this. So please stop. It pushes people away, and we both know that Hillary denounced this.

It's like me jumping on Obama for not denouncing Randi Rhodes comment about Hillary and Geraldine being "big fucking whores"

by zcflint05 2008-05-15 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

I agree with you, but realize this is just blog fodder.

And please dont use that Randi comparison, the two are apples and oranges.

Randi was a liberal talk show host who said the wrong thing.

GWB is one of the worst Americans in our history and is a Republican.

So lets all agree that Party Unity must be a goal, and that the WHOLE party needs to focus on winning every contest this November.

Lets run with that!

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-15 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

George, they are only apples and oranges if you are not female.  We don't like seeing any of our sisters being called whore.  It's just as offensive as nazi in my book.  Please just get off of the dog pile on Hillary and worry about your own candidate toughening up his responses.  His response today sounded like a law professor scolding someone instead of the fabulous "bullshit" response Biden gave.

by JustJennifer 2008-05-15 01:43PM | 0 recs

but her eventual response was pretty good.  She's doing the right things generally now, just cut her some slack.  (And put a muzzle on her husband!)

by McNasty 2008-05-15 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

She denounced it -- thoroughly. I'm sorry her schedule wasn't to everyone's liking, but please, this is clearly just more faux-outrage from the Obama camp.

by sricki 2008-05-15 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

Al: I like you a lot, but why you choose MYDD over dkos? You will be much more comfortable there...

by engels 2008-05-15 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Response to Chimpy's Nazi Smear

"After all, would Wolfson have waited all day, if Bush and McSame had attacked Chelsea? Of course not."

that reminds me remember when john McCain had that awful Joke about chelsea??? where was the outrage ?

by wellinformed 2008-05-15 03:11PM | 0 recs


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