The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

The ongoing discussion regaridng the Michigan and Florida delegates is slightly elevated and really should be toned down a touch. The fact of the matter is that the delegates WILL BE seated at the convention.  The credentials committee will certainly seat them as neither the DNC nor the nominee would be so stupid so as to NOT seat them.

Some have continued to maintain that the delegates need to be recognized before the nominee "is determined".  For those people I pose the following:  

I'm a little confused. I thought the nominee wasn't selected until the party votes on the floor of the convention...what's the hurry? Do you really mean that the delegates should be re-voted prior to any point that HRC's campaign is forced to recognize the hard math?

So the oft repeated mantra about how the delegates need to be seated (as a function of "counting the votes")is not about seating the delegates out of concern for actually assuring they are seated, inasmuch as it is about a vieled attempt to try to lend another lifeline to the HRC campaign.

Do I have that right?

Here's the problem.  The only remaining vehicle IS a change of the rules, which the DNC will have to approve.  Moreover, this change of the rules will need to occurr within 2 weeks to ensure the states involved would be able to have time to get the re-votes done.  Not going to happen.  

What's more, I think Hillary and her surrogates will be well-advised to forget about purusing a rule change (in the media at least) in the remaining time between now and the 22nd, if they want to generate the 35 point blowout they need to justify marshalling on. If they concentrate on THAT over reaching out for voters, mark my words, Obama will pull closer her and finish inside of a 20-point margin.

The only REAL avenue left that is in the books on the current and accepted schedule of events IS seating them before the nomination is actually given in late July, early august.  Hillary, should she choose to go on (and it is up to her, I am through asking for pressure to get her out)is going to have to wait for this event to further help her.

I have always respected the Clintons, and I'll not suggest that anyone...especially blogging hacks like us... tell them what to do.  I do think that their PEERS will likely try to send them a message over time (see Dodd & Richardson), but we should be sure to be patient here in the blogosphere.  However, HRC and her supporters should probably consider being patient themselves as the "seat the delegates" narrative is a non-starter, IMO.

Tags: delegates, Florida, Hillary, Michigan, obama (all tags)



Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

Nonsense...I see no plausible explanation on why this would work.

by Check077 2008-03-23 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL


They WILL be seated...isn't that the issue?  The process WILL wield duly recognized delegates from ALL states!  

The rest of it is white noise.  Going further will turn off the party, and distrct Hillary from getting real votes she needs to justify further participation.

by a gunslinger 2008-03-23 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

In that case they should count NOW.

by JimR 2008-03-23 05:43AM | 0 recs
by annefrank 2008-03-23 05:54AM | 0 recs
by annefrank 2008-03-23 05:55AM | 0 recs
You misunderstand

The concern is not whether the delegates are seated once we get to convention day.  The concern is whether the people of these states are disenfranchised, or whether their voices are allowed to weigh in on one of the most historic and most competitive Democratic primaries of my lifetime.

Understand that opposing the Michigan revote is not in Barack Obama's longterm interests, for two reasons.

First, every poll has shown that neither MI nor FL will go Democrat, for either candidate, if the current situation is not remedied.  By position himself as some who values "rules" over the most fundamental and basic rule of our land: one person, one vote, Barack Obama is making things much harder for himself in the general election.

Second, neither candidate can win the White House without the other half of the party.  Therefore it is vital that both camps feel this has been a fair contest.  It does Obama little good to win the nomination in a way that half the party feels is illegitimate.

Frankly, I think Obama has good odds in Michigan and I don't see what he is so afraid of.  Instead, he is playing the same old dirty politics, this time holding peoples' most fundamental right, the right to vote, hostage.

by bobbank 2008-03-23 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

Obama is a dirty politician, just like Hillary is, they both want to win, their supporters want them to win, so onely one will actually win.

by democrat voter 2008-03-23 06:06AM | 0 recs
How dare you, sir/madam!

Barack Obama is NOT a dirty politician.

The man just so happens to transcend politics.

In fact, he transcends humanity.

He's kinda like the Jesus of politics.

He's half human, half god (except the human part is full of god-like qualities).

by PJ Jefferson 2008-03-23 06:16AM | 0 recs
BTW: Has anyone mentioned yet that

your username suggests that you are a Republican troll?

There's no such thing as a "Democrat voter", unless you are a Rush Limbaugh fan and like making up junior high style nicknames.

You're either a Democratic voter, or a Republic voter... err... I mean Republican voter.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-03-23 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: BTW: Has anyone mentioned yet that

Good catch on the troll......

by pollbuster 2008-03-23 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL
if revote is not possible, then they should be seated before convention the way voters voted already, see html html
which means Hillary getting from FL&MI total
of 1192518 votes of popular vote and 193 pledged
delegates, while Obama getting 571333 votes of popular vote and 71 delegates from Florida.
Uncommitted 236,955 votes and 55 delegates from Michigan are free to do do what they choose,
but it will be acceptable if they will go to Obama, so his total will 126 delegates from MI&FL and popular vote from FL&MI 808288 votes.
I think it can satisfy everybody reasonable, cut Obama total advantage of delegates (-67) and popular vote  (-390230 votes), see 2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l
According to ultimate-delegate-summary.html
with Florida and Michigan both Clinton and Obama
have 1688 delegates total - TIE!
Otherwise (if no revote) Obama will be perceived as a thief and nomination 2008 will be stolen.
And yes, many Clinton supporters in this case will not vote for Obama in GE, so he will lose to McSame in landslide.
by engels 2008-03-23 06:34AM | 0 recs
everybody who has turned on obama is not a republican troll. Obama is a fraud. i voted for him in missouri. i am so sorry.
"there is no black america. there is no white america"
is that right?
then i find his choice of mentor, pastor and "moral compass" is a stones throw from a black panther.
then he addresses the issue when its obvious it will sink him by trying to start a national soul search on race which he kicks off by equating his grandmother who raised him with his racist raving lunatic pastor who he chose ....
by the Walrus 2008-03-23 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: please

Thisis Easter and I promised myself I would not blog or comment today but I do have to say I am soooo sick of Obama and his campaign that if I saw him I would throw up on his shoes. He is a sanctimonious pompous pile of dung.

by coolofthenight 2008-03-23 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: please

And trashed a good Democrat, Geraldine Ferraro, in the process.

We need a way for disenchanted Obama voters to speak out.

by DaleA 2008-03-23 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: please
call the DNC.
i did. i wan't the first defrauded Obama voter they had heard form, i could tell by the weariness in the nice person's voice.
by the Walrus 2008-03-23 09:04AM | 0 recs
Count on this

They will be seated and counted only if the numbers are such that they do not cost Obama the nomination.  That is all there is to it.

by ocli 2008-03-23 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Count on this

Obama is a uniter, except for Florida Democrats--in which case, sorry

by NY Writer 2008-03-23 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

Gotcha. In other words, the DNC doesn't want to count the MI and FL delegates right now, so it looks like Obama has a bigger lead than he actually does, but once they know that it won't cost him the lead they'll count them.

by JimR 2008-03-23 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

so kind of Obama and DNC

by NY Writer 2008-03-23 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

The idea here is that if Hilary had the delegates by old stats or preferably re-vote, she may catch Obama on delegates.

by NY Writer 2008-03-23 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: The Delegates WILL BE Seated. MI/FL

Actually, the more Obama insist that there be no revote and no seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates, the more resolve that Hillary will become to fight this out at the convention floor. Not seating the Michigan and Florida delegates is devisive and Obama will be percieved as a divider and not a uniter.

by Zzyzzy 2008-03-23 02:24PM | 0 recs


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