Surprising Results in SurveyUSA Mass. Poll

The general election is under a year away and neither Party can say definitively who their nominees will be. Still, general election polls are abundant and some of them are very interesting.

The latest poll comes from SurveyUSA out of the state of Massachusetts. Here are the results:

Clinton: 54%
Giuliani: 40%

Clinton: 59%
Romney: 35%

Clinton: 61%
Huckabee: 31%

Clinton: 50%
McCain: 45%

Obama: 46%
Giuliani: 44%

Obama: 54%
Romney: 37%

Obama: 57%
Huckabee: 27%

Obama: 44%
McCain: 47%

First and foremost is Obama's weakness against Giuliani, but such results is expected. This is not what this diary is about, though it can certainly be discussed. This diary is about McCain's strength.

While McCain continues to struggle to win the Republican nomination, there are several scenarios that could work in his favor, such as a Huckabee win in Iowa, which will likely result in the collapse of Romney in NH and propel McCain and Giuliani. So, we can't rule him out, we cannot rule any of the top five candidates out (maybe Thompson) for that matter.

It has always been my belief that McCain is the most electable Republican in the field of eight. What is interesting is how well McCain is doing in a deep blue liberal state like Massachusetts. McCain beats Clinton by 7 points among Independents and beats Obama by 16 points among Indpendents.

Instead of posting any specific question to discuss, lets just discuss the polls in general and the implications of a possible McCain general election candidacy.

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Keep it clean.

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Why Mitt Romney Should Not Be President

    I normally do not make it a habit of coming out against a candidate, I have from time to time brought to light a candidate's inconsistencies or outright lies but rarely have I made the case against a candidate. This will only be the second such case, the first was Rudy Giuliani because he is running on a misleading and often times false set of circumstances concerning 9/11 and his role in the Bernie Kerik fiasco. In the case of Mitt Romney I am willing to once again demonstrate a basic character flaw which is so entrenched in my opinion it should disqualify him from being elected President.

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[Re-published from  This liveblog on MyDD will be updated periodically.  For the latest please visit the active liveblog at]

7:02: And we are ready. 1 hour to go until tonight's CNN/YouTube Republican Debate. The participants will be: Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson. Alan Keyes (yes, he's running) will not be participating. Keyes is taking the role formerly taken by John Cox, who, mercifully, has stopped trying.

7:20: The Giuliani campaign has sent out a pre-debate email discussing what they consider to be a high volume of negative attacks from Romney's campaign [pdf]. It's fairly extensive and is obviously intended to increase the press' coverage of Romney's negative attacks themselves (as opposed to any fallout that may come as a result of those attacks).

7:54: Lou Dobbs is ranting.  No analysis required.

7:59: The snowman apparently will not make the cut, as per the web preview on Three commercial breaks are scheduled for the two hour debate.

8:01: Charlie Crist is going to introduce the candidates, who are all going to fantasize about receiving his endorsement. From left to right in reverse order of their introductions: Tancredo, Huckabee, Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, McCain, Paul, Hunter. It's mildly amusing to see them all trying to be nice to each other on stage.

8:06: CNN thinks Mitt Romney is still the unabashed front runner in the early states. Apparently they are holding this debate in October. It's a dead heat in Iowa with Huckabee having so much more committment than Romney in Iowa.

8:08: Anderson Cooper previews questions. U-S-E-L-E-S-S.

8:10: A song that would get about 1,000 viral hits starts off the debate. This is really corny humor that will go over well with some and induce a lot of eye rolling by the rest.

8:12: The debate begins! A New Yorker asks why Giuliani ran NYC as a sanctuary city and if he would continue it. He explains why he left children exempt, why they could be treated, and why they could report crimes, and those were the only exemptions. Romney says NYC called itself a sanctuary city and that Giuliani brought a suit to that effect, and not everyone that was reported as committing a crime was deported. Two well-crafted and obviously practiced answers. Giuliani retorts by citing sanctuary cities in Massachusetts and a 'sanctuary mansion' at Romney's own mansion. Tough answer, and Mitt tries the direct response, and Giuliani retorts. Romney points out he hired a company and says he should not check employees of that company for immigration papers. Romney eventually segues into his record and the answer gets a lot less interesting. Seems like equals yelling back and forth, ending with Giuliani getting booed to the next question.

8:19: Pledge to veto any amnesty bill? Thompson says yes. This is inducing a lot of stump speeches. Thompson accuses Romney of flip-slopping on the Bush immigration plan 'unsurprisingly.' The Giuliani campaign is rolling, as we've already received an email about Romney hiring immigrants. Thompson accuses Giuliani of bringing a lawsuit to protect sanctuary city status, Giuliani repeats his exceptions line. McCain, using a really serious and low tone, says the plan was not amnesty and he would veto amnesty. Talks about lack of trust in the government to control the borders first, and everything else needs to be resolved second, and that the illegals are God's children as well second.  Cites demagoguing of the issue, and that the rhetoric contributes nothing.

8:24: Tancredo basks in the glory. An employer of seasonal workers asks what he would do about it. Tancredo talks about the evils of immigration as a while, and that he rejects the idea that there are jobs that no Americans will take. Hunter makes a cameo appearance, and shockingly talks about the double fence he built in San Diego. Did he jsut send the tape of him to the debate ala Leia in Star Wars?

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Rudy's Roots

Rudy's Roots (+)
by: PoorBensJournal
Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 18:46:03 PM CST
The recent Newsweek article on Rudy Giuliani,  Dec 3,2007 is a must read. It will blow your mind to learn more about this man's early family years.
It reads like it's straight out of a Soprano's episode.

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Giuliani Used City Agencies To Fund Adulterous Affair

The Politico does some digging.

As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons, according to previously undisclosed government records.

The documents, obtained by Politico under New York's Freedom of Information Law, show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants.

So as Giuliani went to visit his then super secret girlfriend Judith Nathan at her apartment in The Hamptons, his security detail (including round the clock police protection) incurred "hotel, gas and other costs" all on the tax payers' dime.

In other words, as David Dayen at The Right's Field calls it, Rudy was engaging in:

government-financed adultery.

Or perhaps alternatively: socialized shagging.

This story has already been picked up by traditional media outlets such as USA Today and even right-wing outlet Fox News, which is problematic for Rudy on several levels. Not only does it remind people of Giuliani's adultery, but, as Josh Marshall notes, it also hits him from a fiscal conservatism perspective as well. But perhaps worst of all for Rudy, this episode will likely associate him in people's minds with a certain someone to whom the GOP candidates shouldn't exactly be praying for comparisons. As Dayen notes:

The official secrecy, the abuse of the public trust - sound like somebody currently in the Oval Office that you know?

Because as it turns out, per The Politico, in an eerie echo (or foreshadowing as the case may be) of the excuse for secrecy routinely used by the man Giuliani seeks to succeed, when anyone started digging into the errant expenses...

At the time, the mayor's office refused to explain the accounting to city auditors, citing "security."

As for a response from the Giuliani campaign, all The Politico notes is:

A Giuliani spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, declined to comment on any aspect of the travel documents or the billing arrangements.

A Giuliani aide who would speak only on the condition of anonymity denied that the unorthodox billing practices were aimed at hiding the expenses, citing "accounting" and noting that they were billed to units of the mayor's office, not to outside city agencies.

The aide declined to discuss Giuliani's visits to Long Island.

From the start, we knew that Giuliani would be a hard sell for the nomination if the media simply did its job and reported his extreme unfitness for office. Looks like, with a push from online outlets such as TPM, which currently features an extensive catalog of Rudy's ethical issues, and The Politico, we may be seeing the beginnings of the unraveling of Giuliani's entire "America's Mayor" persona and with it, any remnants of a rationale for his candidacy.

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