by WWGWD, Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:09:28 AM EDT
I was at the Hillary Clinton Facebook group and I heard from some fellow supporters that many Obamanites were absolutely fuming over last night's debate and the mugging Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos peformed on Barack Obama. Like other Pro-Hillary folks I'm wondering why the uproar? This is a debate. This is what debates are all about. Why is it that every time Senator Obama is questioned, whether about his record or something else, he gets upset and lectures people, or his campaign and or supporters fly off the handle and get angry. It seems that Barack Obama actually thinks that no one should ever question him or what he says. As if we should just take it and accept it. You know I'm starting to believe that maybe this "New style of politics" Obama talks about is everyone going along with what he thinks and says and never raises questions or challenges him on it.
Throughout the night he kept trying to throw Senator Clinton under the bus whenever asked about his controversial dealings with Bill Ares and Jeremiah Wright. It's like a child saying, "But Billy did this too" when they get in trouble for something. I credit Hillary Clinton for admitting her obvious misleading comments and apologizing for them. Barack Obama should have done the same but instead he continued to dance around his statements and his answers and throw up deflector shields. He also tried to spin it to where the moderators were the bad guys for even bringing it up. With every question posed to Barack Obama he has the tendency to say "Oh that's just the old politics we're trying to get rid of" yet he uses those same tactics he preaches against. I know all politicians do it but Barack Obama promised a new kind of politics and a new Washington, so when he does the very things he condemns it's more damaging because neither Hillary Clinton nor John McCain made that promised or preached that sermon so many times as Barack Obama did.
So where am I wrong? Is it ok for him to bring up Hillary Clinton's dirt and call her things and question her record? Yet when the same is done to him he can throw a fit like a child and blame the refs? This is hypocracy on the main stage. We don't know Barack Obama so he should have expected questions to come up about his past. We know Hillary Clinton and John McCain. They've been with us for over 30 years. But we don't know Senator Obama. So when Barack Obama accuses Hillary Clinton of trying to have it both ways, he's guilty of the same action. He tries to have it both ways.
by dhonig, Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 06:06:18 AM EDT
WOE IS ME!
WOE IS ME!
ABC IS MEAN!
Well, yeah. ABC was mean to Obama. They treated him like, dare I say it, the frontrunner. They treated him like they are going to treat him every day from now until November. You saw him, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, get the same sort of treatment Clinton has been getting from day one, and your feelings are hurt. Why? Because it's not fair? Hell no. Not a darned one of you cared a whit about "fair" when the shoe was on the other foot. No. You're offended because you thought, for what reason I can not even imagine, that the media would continue to give Obama the same ride they always give McCain. And under it all, in the backs of your heads, you are finally acknowledging the echos of what Clinton supporters have told you all along - that the media would turn on Obama once Clinton was out of the way, and the free ride would be over.
What do I mean? Why don't you take the jump and find out.
by bacalove, Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 03:24:55 AM EDT
There are many people who are outraged about last night's debate and apparent Roasting of Barack Obama! Outrage is good but Boycott & Complain is better. We are a million strong and must use our collective voice to relay our disappointment to George & Charles and then turn of their programming. I for six months. Here is an excerpt of a letter to George & Charles from Philly.Com writer.
It's hard to know where to begin with this, less than an hour after you signed off from your Democratic presidential debate here in my hometown of Philadelphia, a televised train wreck that my friend and colleague Greg Mitchell has already called, quite accurately, "a shameful night for the U.S. media." It's hard because -- like many other Americans -- I am still angry at what I just witnesses, so angry that it's hard to even type accurately because my hands are shaking. Look, I know that "media criticism" -- especially when it's one journalist speaking to another -- tends to be a genteel, colleagial thing, but there's no genteel way to say this.
You implied throughout the broadcast that you wanted to reflect the concerns of voters in Pennsylvania. You asked virtually nothing that reflected our everyday issues -- trying to fill our gas tanks and save for college at the same time, our crumbling bridges and inadequate mass transit, or the root causes of crime here in Philadelphia. In fact, there almost isn't enough space -- and this is cyberspace, where room is unlimited -- to list all the things you could have asked about but did not, from health care to climate change to alternative energy to our policy toward China to the deterioration of Afghanistan to veterans' benefits to improving education.
You ignored virtually everything that just happened in what most historians agree is one of the worst presidencies in American history, including the condoning of torture and the trashing of the Constitution, although to be fair you also ignored the policy concerns of people on the right, like immigration issues.
by blackflag, Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 02:02:57 AM EDT
i did not get to watch as much of the debate as i would have, my wife and i baby sat our 16 month old grandchild lily from 4-10:30 pm, i was tired from work already but threw myself into grandfathering
only caught bits a pieces of the debate. it was heavy on the personal stuff early, and while i am not going to try to contend one side or the other won, as i just did not get to see it all.
but, both sides got pelted, clinton took big hit on bosnia, her apology after uncomfortable squirming was about all she could do.
by dystopianfuturetoday, Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:52:59 PM EDT
Wow, what a disgusting sham ABC just tried to pass off as a debate. Taking cues from FOX, they hit him with everything but the kitchen sink.
I was so pissed that I logged on to Obama's website and gave him my very first political donation of the election cycle: $10. It's not a lot of cash, but multiplied by a thousand or ten thousand and you've got a tidy little sum.
So, if you are feeling angry at the corporate media's attempt to influence our government, then hop on over to Obama's campaign and drop a Hamilton on him.
Here is the link: https://donate.barackobama.com/page/cont