The LGBT Event at the White House

The President and the First Lady today hosted a group of LBGT leaders at the White House. Newsweek's Katie Connolly covered the event:

The First Couple hosted a celebration honoring LGBT pride month in the East Room this afternoon. The event comes amid rising tensions between the Administration and the gay community, who are disappointed at the lack of attention to their issues so far this year. For the most part, Obama didn't mince words. He described the gay rights "struggle" as "difficult", "painful", and "heartbreaking". He likened the movement to prior civil rights battles, drawing parallels with "all those in our history who've been denied the rights and responsibilities of citizenship; who've been told that the full blessings and opportunities of this country were closed to them." He told the invite only group that he understood their frustrations, and it wasn't for him to advise patience, "any more than it was for others to counsel patience to African Americans who were petitioning for equal rights a half century ago."

After listing the steps his Adminstration has taken to further gay rights - the memo about extending partner benefits to federal employees, calling on Congress to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, meeting with Matthew Shephard's mother as part of a strategy to address hate crimes and repealing the HIV travelers ban - Obama turned to Don't Ask, Don't Tell. And this is where his words when from unambiguous to murky. Although he acknowledged that "preventing patriotic Americans from serving their country weakens our national security", his plan for ending DADT was unclear. He's apparently working with the Pentagon and Joint Chiefs to develop some sort of strategy, but he didn't give a deadline or outline a process. The upshot? This doesn't really advance the repeal much beyond a campaign promise. There is a bright side for gay rights activists though. If you read between the lines, DADT will be likely be repealed before the next election.

The President received a strong applause after saying that "We've been in office six months now. I suspect that by the time this administration is over, I think you guys will have pretty good feelings about the Obama administration."

I realize that many of you are frustrated with the pace of enacting reforms that benefit the LGBT community. I must admit that I am befuddled by these complaints and do not share them. I have been reflecting on the issues that confront the LGBT community and I question the priorities of the national LGBT organizations. To it hear from them, we all want to get married and serve in the military. Neither has ever held wide appeal in the community but then again the HRC and the national LGBT leadership largely subscribes to an assimilationist creed. I find it curious and very disturbing that in this meeting with the President the topic of the AIDS crisis was not broached. It concerns me that those living with HIV and the gay poor among us are being simply forgotten.

Tonight here in San Francisco, the LGBT labor group Pride at Work held a vigil outside City Hall protesting Mayor Newsom's deep budget cuts to AIDS and HIV programs that are vital to much of the LGBT community. The Bay Guardian earlier today covered why this vigil was important:

"The die-in demonstrated reality. When you cut HIV programs, people will sero-convert. When you cut the drug programs, people will die," Harvey Milk Club president Rafael Mandelman told the Guardian today. He said the protest indicates that the mayor "can't ride same-sex marriage forever. We're grateful for the mayor's efforts in that area, but we need budgets that will protect vulnerable populations and queers. People's lives are at stake."

Despite the passage of Prop. 8, Newsom does indeed seem to still be riding the crest of same sex marriage. In a recent fundraising letter for his gubernatorial campaign, a supporter enthuses: "Mayor Newsom married S-- and I in his office in 2004. He always held our relationship equal to his own... S-- and I will always love him for standing with us and fighting for us."

But some LGBT leaders are starting to feel that the choices of what departments to cut back are not equal in the least.

Robert Haaland is a labor activist and long time leader of the local chapter of Pride at Work. He told us the budget cuts "are no different from what Schwarzenegger is doing. No new revenue, deep cuts to health and human services. It'd be fine if he was running as a Republican governor."

Haaland pointed out that when Newsom ran against Supervisor Matt Gonzales in 2003, Newsom was neutral on gay marriage, and Gonzales got the majority of votes in District 8, which includes the Castro.

"He changed his position on marriage, but that doesn't give him license to use marriage as a shield for budget cuts affecting LGBT and poor people," Haaland said.

And Mandelman sums up, "It's great to celebrate marriage, but for a lot of people it's a luxury."

Gay marriage is a laudable goal. Repealing DADT has merit. But the national LGBT leadership seems divorced from the reality of modern gay life. For example, gay affluence is largely a myth. The reality is that gays are poorer on average than heterosexuals. Nationwide, 24% of lesbians are poor compared to 19% of heterosexual women. Fifteen percent of gay men are poor compared to 13% of heterosexual men. According to the LGBT Cancer Project, the ratio of uninsured gay individuals is 2:1 compared to heterosexuals.

I'd like to hear the LGBT leadership speak more to these issues rather than continually focus on two issues that ultimately affect a select privileged few. Take the case of Massachusetts. Gay marriage there has been legal now for five years and so far 12,000 LGBT couples have gotten married. Half of those were in the first year, meaning that on average 1,500 LGBT couples are getting married. In Massachusetts, 2-3 new HIV infections occur daily, and HIV infections rates for Massachusetts men who have sex with men (MSM) are estimated to be nearly 25 times higher than the rates for men who only have sex with women. Male-to-male sex has also been the first- or second-ranked mode of HIV exposure among black and Hispanic men in Massachusetts in recent years. Blacks and Latinos make up 12% of the state population but comprise more than 51% of people living with and becoming infected with HIV/AIDS. The former are largely white and affluent, the latter are mostly poor and minorities. The HRC speaks for the former but who speaks for the latter?



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"All in all, the president gave a very eloquent speech. But, you know what, we've heard those speeches already. He's the president now, not some candidate. He can do more than talk. And so far, he's chosen not to, and made up some pretty flimsy excuses to justify his action. And, while many of the so-called gay "leaders" in the East Room may be assuaged and bought off by the promise of champagne and a heartfelt "God bless you" from the man who promised much, lots more people are mad as hell and starting to think they're being taken for a ride."

"Political homophobes aren't gay-hating in the traditional sense. In fact, publicly, most are strong supporters of LGBT equality. But, behind closed doors, many Democratic leaders, consultants, Hill staffers and the rest will vociferously argue that there is no political benefit to actually supporting LGBT rights. Political homophobia is rampant among some Democrats. In some ways, it's worse than blatant homophobia, since we think most Democrats are on our side. And outwardly, they are.

Political homophobia dictates policy in DC more than we'd like to think."

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It's an idea that I like to call homophobia by intertia. In his heart of hearts, President Obama does support equality. But, laws against gay equality are not about what is in his heart. Laws are not speeches.

I don't have a problem with being wrong here because we all win if I am, and we all lose if I am not. I do have a problem with being told before hand not to worry because at the end it will all work out. Since when is this how politics occurs? Don't worry, be happy. It will all work out. You'll see.

Maybe. Maybe not. Until it does, I hope those with any power will keep the pressure up because by the time the end comes- it is already too late.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 01:48:34 AM EST

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I don't begrudge those who are going to keep the pressure on, in fact I hope they do. That being said I think there are two important points to remember.

1.)It has only been six months and there is a lot to be optimistic about.

2.) Accusing the President of being homophobic, regardless of how you are using or meaning the word, is not going to do anyone any good. Pressure does need to be applied, but it needs to be applied in the right way.


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by JDF on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 03:27:32 AM EST
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I didn't accuse President Obama of personal homophobia. I said his personal beliefs do not matter because our system is homophobic. So, his doing nothing, including on economic issues related to gays, creates homophobia regardless of who President Obama is personally.

The equivalent is de facto discrimination during the days of Jim Crow. It did not matter that some people were not personally bigotted. It matters that the combined effect of the laws, or political effect, lead to harm to African-Americans. The same is true here. The harm still exists through intertia. He's the President. He has the bullypulpit that shapes that system of laws.

That you think it matters what he feels in his heart of hearts is part of the issue that will prevent reform. It absolutely does not matter deep down what he believes because the system of laws exists outside of what he feels. What matters regarding these laws is changing the law. Not whether or not President Obama feels they are wrong. No more that it matters in other context a real homophobe hates gays so long as he complies with laws that protect gays. We can't change or effect what is in people's hearts. Only their actions and behavior.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 03:45:41 AM EST
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I would disagree and say that although this is symbolic as opposed to substantive, I think it is a bit disingenious to say that he is allowing or creating a homophobic environment though non-action as I consider this meeting a first step towards further action.  If he was really perpetuating homophobia this meeting would never have taken place and he would be silent on these issues.  He is obviously not doing that.

Though he does not appear to be using the "bully" pulpit, he is using the pulpit for now, and hopefully this is a first step towards transitioning into subtantive action.


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 08:29:21 PM EST
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What you consider and what is law are two different things.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:15:38 PM EST
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Obviously, I am  trying to stay positive and discuss this as opposed to just shrugging it off and naysaying.

Obama unequivocally denounced DADT as ineffective, he didn't pussyfoot or triangulate, and I consider his opinion to be the beginning of action.  He did good, but now he needs to do great and do something about it.


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:30:34 PM EST
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Laws do not change over night. What matters, at this juncture, is that we have an administration who considers this to be a problem and is taking steps, yes there are steps, towards fixing the problem.

I would like nothing better than to see all of these wrongs righted over night, but that is not the way things work in the best of times and these are not the best of times.

I get that this is probably the most important issue to you. It is probably the most important issue to a good number of people, but it is not the only issue and it is not the most important issue to everone. What I just do not understand is why everyone expects things to change over night and why anything less than drastic and immediate change is seen not only as a failure, but as a personal insult.


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by JDF on Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 12:52:05 PM EST
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Obama doesn't play traditional Democratic interest-group politics with quite the same vigor (or shamelessness) as most successful members of the party.

One manifestation of this is that you see fewer of the symbolic, "I'm on your side" type gestures from him.  This is particularly true where an expression of support carries a political risk, as it often does where gay rights are concerned because they remain a leading culture-war issue.

Ultimately, it's substance and not symbolism that matters.  But the symbolic stuff is how you earn the benefit of the doubt while people wait around for you to accomplish the substance.  At the end of the day, if Obama makes the changes that matter, of course I'll rank him above the Democrats who marched in all the gay pride parades but never really accomplished anything of note... but he actually has to do those things, naturally.

I always said the appeal of Obama was that he's the Democrat who hadn't disappointed us yet.  I hope time reveals me to be overly cynical!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 07:29:36 AM EST

it's funny that you say that... (none / 0)

because, when he was running for senate, obama used to repeat this saying: leadership is disappointment at a pace that people can absorb.  apparently, it is a saying adopted, or which came from, the harvard program for elected/govt leaders...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 07:37:00 AM EST
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It is not about the symbolism. It is about the fact you can not simultaneously refuse to push for legislative reform and refuse an executive order on DADT. Just to name one example of why it is the substantive action that's the problem.

His symbolism is fine. It just has no impact because we have heard it all before. No one believes it.

We have been hearing symbolism since Clinton. The problem for the Democrats is that we are at a turning point in the gay rights movement. In the 1960s, symbolism alone would not have been sufficient for the black civil rights movement. We are that point with gay people, and it is far ahead of politicians in DC.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 08:29:42 AM EST
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Well, I doubt you personally care very much about symbolism, but my belief is that effective symbolism would at least buy him some patience from the gay community.  The problem is that the attempts at symbolism have been almost entirely defensive and ham-handed, as in, I screwed up and offended the GLBTs so here's a token gesture to make up for it.  He has too many negatives to overcome with mere symbolism at this point.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 06:44:56 PM EST
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I am discussing what appears in the gay press.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:14:20 PM EST
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gonna have to disagree with your thrust here... (none / 0)

most of the gay activists that i've worked with over time have been far more focused on local issues and local organizations.  i don't think there's enough "national" leadership, or at least, enough leadership (or organization) at the national scale.

i get the impression that focus on marriage equality and dadt are attempts to provide the overarching theme that the fight against aids once did.  repealing dadt is an important symbol because the expulsion of gays in the military constanting reverberates throughout the gay community.  it's like a periodic reminder that repression still exists.  so while i think your focus on other issues is laudable, you are wrong that they are not being addressed by gay organizations.

in chicago, there is an organization that is focused on poverty among gays (specifically, young gays) in tom tunney's ward.  there are several states that focus on the apparently growing connection between aids and african americans, including right here in illinois (i believe california is another); numerous local gay organizations have sprung up around that.  but both these groups face funding shortfalls here in illinois (just like other social agencies).  in gainesville, fl, the local lgbt community beat back some rather harsh legal provisions in 2008.  it seems to me that local lgbt groups are thriving, but they are not connected to each other, and i don't think they even have the means for communicating, let alone coordinating, with one another.

from my perspective, the gay community needs to get more active, more organized and more political if it's going to be successful.  it can't just count on the president to do everything.  i guess i think that gays need to be bolder.  get married (it's legal in massachusetts).  get divorced.  force the legal system to deal.  putting one's eggs all in one basket is never a smart way to succeed...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 08:06:13 AM EST

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I agree with much of which you say. To an extent, you're right, gay activism is largely local and focused on local issues. But there is a national leadership even it is "self-appointed". Joe Solomonese certainly doesn't speak for me but I would hard pressed to deny that people listen to him. I can't say loathe Joe Solomonese but I certainly don't trust him.

And I agree with you local LGBT groups lack coordination amongst them. And you are right, the gay community needs to get more active. But here's the rub. Gay marriage here is eating up gay fundraising because the national and state organizations are coming into the Castro on a daily basis to fund raise. Meanwhile, I spoke to the Stonewall Project last week and their contributions are down 50% over two years and 30% over one year.
 


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by Charles Lemos on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 06:46:57 PM EST
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Gay marriage improves gay financial security (2.00 / 2)

The main reason I'd like to get married is to have access to all of the federal benefits it provides. Married couples enjoy at least a few benefits that directly impact their financial security and their sense of financial security. Extending survival Social Security benefits to gay widows and widowers would have a direct impact on the financial security of gays, especially those that are poor. I really think this is why repeal of DOMA and working to get more and  more states to permit gay marriage are a political priority not just for the gay leadership, but the community as a whole.


by NealB on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 12:27:08 PM EST

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Great post. In New York, for example, there is the reality that the largest concentration of gay couples is actually in places like the Bronx:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/nyregi on/30bronx.html

"It is a statistic surprising even to those it describes: Same-sex couples in the Bronx are more likely to have children than those in any other New York City borough, according to a study released last month, and perhaps more than any county in the country."

This is the reason why marriage equality is important. It is an economic issue as much as anything else.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 01:08:44 PM EST
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I agree: the best way to address the income disparities that Charles mentions is to end LGBT discrimination, so I completely agree that ending DADT and DOMA are quite significant in that regard. Also, it's a reason we need to renew lobbying efforts for ENDA.

By the way, I think you meant to say that in NY the largest concentration of gay couples with children is in the Bronx. In terms of just gay couples, the Bronx is well behind Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens. Which is even more to the point of why repealing DOMA is an important economic issue, since so many of the benefits of marriage are designed to protect the interests of the children of the married couple.


by fsm on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 01:32:21 PM EST
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Thanks for the correction to my post. You are right.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 01:55:39 PM EST
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by the way- you are also right that inequality does not happen in a vacuum.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 01:57:24 PM EST
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I haven't seen any polling but my instincts tell me that the number of gay men who want to get married now or at some nebulous point in the future is a minority. Perhaps there is a generational divide. Perhaps the younger set want to get married but of the hundreds of people I know, I can only count 26 (13 couples) who chose to get married.

One couple I know who have been together since 1976 (the older one is pushing 70) chose not to. I asked them once why not? In their view, marriage is a) a failed institution and b) more hassle than it's worth.

But this is a longstanding debate within the gay community. Walt Whitman and Ralph Waldo Emerson has this very argument back in 1860. You want assimilation and I don't. My lifestyle can not be replicated in a heterosexual world. And my worry is that the pursuit of gay marriage is coming at the expense of other issues pressing to the LGBT community (gender inequality, hate crimes legislation, AIDS/HIV, gay poverty).


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by Charles Lemos on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 06:57:16 PM EST
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It is not relevant to whether ot not for economic reasons, they should have the right to marry to promote economic stability.


by bruh3 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:16:44 PM EST
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I think repealing DADT is fundamentally an personal economic issue.  I have a friend who is a dedicated enlisted member.  He has served his country and worked the system so that he will ultimately have 3 pensions once he retires, something not really obtainable in the private market these days.  He's not gay, and i personally have no desire to enter the military even for such compensation but it is disheartening that others could not.  Many poor idividuals turn to the military for income, not something i think necessarily says anything good about our current system, but a truth none the less.  Yes gay individuals are more often poor, but that means they are disproportionalty affected by DADT in that a mechanism for alleviating their poverty(joining the military for income) is not available to them.  This in itself as a whole keeps more gay ppl from pulling themselves out of poverty.  So i don't think the push for the repeal of DADT is elitist or making lower income GLBT individuals a lower priority.
Same sex marriage i may conceed is a bit more of a luxury, but there are economic advantages to being married too and i think the appeal of the marriage equality fight is that it is seen as the final battle, which may not be accurate.  There is some sentiment, once we can be legally married there will be no mechanism by which to enforce legal discrimination.  A sentiment I would like to share but am slightly skeptical.
by goodleh on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 12:36:54 PM EST

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i think the appeal of the marriage equality fight is that it is seen as the final battle, which may not be accurate.

I agree with you. It's seen as the final battle but I am not certain that it is.


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by Charles Lemos on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 09:12:51 PM EST
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Lemos: Full equality is 'laudable', 'has merit' (none / 0)

"Gay marriage is a laudable goal. Repealing DADT has merit."

If one were to replace 'gay marriage' with another subject, say Latinos or African Americans, this statements would be considered  racist by some, as would their author.

As Lemos actually reads, I'm struck by any hint of moral outrage over the fact that GLBT's do not have equal rights.  Indeed, the way the right to serve as well as equal rights for families are treated like mere trifles, some may consider the statements and their author to be homophobic.   Who knows?

But the word obtuse sure seems apt.


by BigBoyBlue on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 10:01:34 PM EST

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Equating marriage with full equality is a mistake. If you want to assimilate and replicate a heterosexual lifestyle that's your choice but I don't. My gay lifestyle doesn't have a counterpart in the straight world and I doubt you would raise a finger in search of my equality. For me, living my life means living in a world apart from heterosexual values. Reading your comment, I am not sure you realize that I am openly gay. Nor am I sure that you read the post but rather glance at it.

The campaign against Prop 8 ate up $43.3 million dollars. Now the national organizations are day in and day out here in the Castro fund raising to over turn it. Meanwhile our local AIDS charities are facing a financial crunch. Part of the problem is the economy but the bigger problem is that funds are being diverted to fund the gay marriage fight.

I question the logic of this. We are spending huge sums for a political fight in order to benefit a select privileged few. Meanwhile health and gay poverty issues go unfunded. The life and death issues matter more in my view. It's a question of priorities.

The state and the city are cutting HIV funding and so the diversion of resources is having a devastating impact on the community here in SF. 75% of the transgendered here in SF are either unemployed or underemployed. 59% earn under $15,000. Did you know that 40% of those with HIV/AIDS here in SF have unstable housing or are homeless? Do you realize that HIV prevention and harm reduction programs are downsizing their programs for lack of funds? You can expect a spike in HIV rates. I spoke to two gay activists last week who basically told me the same thing: the gay marriage issue has become a distraction and there were already repercussions.

Gay marriage is increasingly a class issue. The affluent want it. The poor are either indifferent to it or too desperate for it to matter. You can enact gay marriage tomorrow and it won't change my life one iota but give me affordable health care and my life changes dramatically.

But don't just take my word for here's a long time gay activist saying the same thing.

The Price of Normal by Tommi Avicolli Mecca.

With a 2010 state proposition on gay marriage in the works and a national gay rally on the Washington Mall being planned for October 10-11 of that year, it's obvious that more and more of the LGBT community's resources are being funneled into the battle for marriage equality, while other causes go begging.

Already gay marriage has become a black hole that is sucking untold amounts of money, time, and energy out of our community. In the 2008 election alone, gay marriage supporters raised $43.3 million to defeat Proposition 8, the anti-gay marriage initiative that California voters passed by 52 percent. It may be the biggest chunk of change the community has ever spent for a single fight.

The rest of the article is at the link. At the very least, I want to make you aware that not all gay activists think this focus on gay marriage uber alles is wise.


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by Charles Lemos on Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:40:19 PM EST


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