Schwarzenegger Says "Time for a Debate" on Decriminalization

Even though a number of smart people have been making sense about the issue lately, you may remember President Obama laughing off the notion of legalizing marijuana back in April (video), or at least the idea that it might be good for the economy. Well, for what it's worth, Governor Schwarzenegger disagrees:

The governor was asked about a recent Field Poll showing that 56 percent of registered voters support legalizing and taxing marijuana to raise revenues for cash-strapped California. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, has proposed legislation that would legalize the drug for recreational use, rather than just medical purposes.

"Well, I think it's not time for that, but I think it's time for a debate," Schwarzenegger said. "I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues, I'm always for an open debate on it. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs, what effect did it have on those countries?"

Granted, that isn't much close to a full-throated 'legalize it' cry. But it acknowledges not only California's multi-billion dollar budget shortfall but the staggering prison crisis that has led to illegal levels of overcrowding and mandated early releases. Which would be helped tremendously by reducing the number of non-violent drug users in prison. Plus it drags federal drug policy away from prohibition, inch by inch.

It's been 30 years since the last time this country seriously debated drug policy. This is another step in the right direction.



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Legalization isnt the answer. Making illegals drugs more accessible may decriminalize it, but it wont due anything but fuel an increase in drug usage. If you know anything about addiction (having family members who were addicts I do), making it more accessible wont make it better. I have a close family member who quite honestly only came to his senses after being threatened with a long prison term and being forced to undergo treatment.

Legalization is absurd...


by BuckeyeBlogger on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:03:39 PM EST

Cite stats. (2.00 / 1)

Cite statistics. Show me. You're spouting off opinion, regurgitating a toxic spew of failed policies.

Because the Portuguese and Swiss examples show quite the opposite.

Legalization is the answer. It is not just legalize and do nothing. It's treating addicts as addicts with appropriate health response measures.


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by Charles Lemos on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:51:00 PM EST
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I dont need statistics....I have real world examples from family members who have beeb addicted and family members who work with addicts. Legalization isnt the answer.


by BuckeyeBlogger on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:01:16 PM EST
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Right because if we spent 10% of we spend on interdiction & eradication not to mention funding private prisons on health care then addiction basically disappears.

Here's the British case.  In the 1970s, as much as 20% of heroin addicts were prescribed heroin under NHS auspices, but that withered away under attacks from prohibitionists. The total number of addicts were about 10,000 with about 2,000 receiving "legal" heroin. In comes prohibition and now Britain has the worst heroin problem in Europe, especially in Scotland. Number of addicts now are over 200,000. Then there are corruption problems, wasted resources and for what? For moral piety. Please that's plainly moronic.

I'd rather save lives and not waste scarce resources.

The forbidden fruit aspect of illegal drugs is a potent lure. Legalize and you turn these narcotics into cigarettes.


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by Charles Lemos on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:49:40 PM EST
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So should we ban alcohol, cigarretes, and fast food?
I believe you made a well-intentioned post, but I think that any addict that wants drugs will get them.  The fact that your relative doesn't want to do drugs any longer is a testament to his or her will, because the drugs are out there, and pretty much accessible anywhere anyway.  Also, I'd suspect that legalization would not alter your relative's progress or decision, as I am sure it isn't a legal issue that changed his/her mind, rather a recognition that it was ruining his or her sanity or hold on life, even without the legal trouble.

Alcohol is readily available and recovering alcoholics, with a good support group, can last years or the rest of their lifetime without many bumps in the road.

But look at what the war on drugs has created?  A most vicious and dangerous black market that supplies a demand that has not decreased due to prohibition.  Over crowded judicial system, rampant murder, overcrowded prisons, cops wasting time with possessors instead of pursuing real crimes, kids being ruined for the rest of their life for experimenting.

When a system doesn't work at all, and in fact causes completely dangerous and awful outcomes, a good debate is not only a good idea, it's the  next logical step.


by KLRinLA on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:00:30 PM EST
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I doubt any of your family members were addicted to and their lived destroyed by marijuana.  Meth, Crack, Alcohol...all much more destructive than pot.

Secondly, the War on Drugs has not worked.  There is not a single region of this country where illegal drugs are not readily accessible.  Your addicted family members are proof of the failure.

Legalizing pot frees up resources to prosectute and/or treat hard drug addicts and violent criminals.  With no disrespect, legalizing pot is an important part of the answer.

Just ask George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln.


by SuperCameron on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:21:01 PM EST
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Yeah okay....keep believing that nonsense....


by BuckeyeBlogger on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:25:05 PM EST
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I have to ask, what part of Super Cameron's post do you disagree with?  These are all pretty common knowledge facts supported by numerous scientific and economic studies, historical records, and well common sense.  

Obviously, you may have had some bad personal experience on this topic, but I think it is clouding your reasononing.


by KLRinLA on Tue May 05, 2009 at 11:30:12 PM EST
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It's already decriminalized in CA. Schwarzenegger is talking about legalization.


by DrToast on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:50:33 PM EST


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