Investigate Torture

The liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org is to release this 30 second spot calling on Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate how the Bush Administration arrived at the decision to institute torture as an instrument of state policy.

In addition House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is pressing the case for the creation of a special "truth commission" to investigate the interrogation of terror suspects during the Bush administration. While several House committees already are examining the issue, the Speaker suggested "it might be further useful to have such a commission so that it removes all doubt that how we protect the American people is in a values-based way."

The San Francisco Democrat said she is open to holding potential witnesses, including former government officials, harmless from prosecution for cooperating with the commission, but only in a limited way. "I don't think you take immunity off the table," she said, suggested immunity could encourage cooperation. But Speaker Pelosi stressed immunity "should not be granted in a blanket way."

Over on the Huffington Post, former Senator Bob Graham, a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said that the criminal prosecution of Bush administration officials involved in implementing torture policies should not "be taken off the table."

The former senator and longtime Florida Democrat said in an interview with the Huffington Post that he favored an inquiry into what transpired during the Bush years "so that there could be a record that is not too distant from the acts themselves for the benefit of the American people and the benefit of history." As a rationale for such an inquiry, he noted that historical knowledge would have benefited the Bush administration officials who did not, according to a report in the New York Times on Wednesday, know about the "gruesome origins of the techniques they were approving."

Regarding the outlines of a possible committee to investigate the Bush administration's tactics, Graham said that it would have to be bipartisan, but could "be done within the Congress or another 9/11 commission-type citizens group."

"As to criminal prosecution," he added, "I don't think that should be taken off the table. But I think it is premature with the current state of knowledge to determine if that is appropriate."

Graham, who served as chair of the intelligence committee until 2002, was one of a handful of lawmakers who was reportedly briefed by the Bush administration about the CIA's interrogation tactics, including the use of waterboarding. His ability to object to these practices, however, was limited do to secrecy restrictions imposed by the agency and White House.

Asked whether he saw anything new in the recently released Bush-era torture memos, Graham responded: "There has been so much in the press over the past two-plus years that there isn't any particularly new information. There were some new details than we had from before and information on the treatment of some of the detainees that was new and I found it to be very distressing."

I have taken the view that those who provided the intellectual underpinnings such Jay Bybee and John Yoo and those who made the political decision such Donald Rumsfeld to institute torture as an instrument of state policy should be held accountable for such blatant violations of American jurisprudence and accepted legal international standards of conduct.

The question is not Who's Politicizing Intelligence Now? as Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard asks but rather who broke the law and on whose order.



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Re: Investigate Torture (2.00 / 1)

If we are to regain any semblance of moral authority in our foreign relations, we have no choice but to fully investigate and prosecute those who instructed our military to torture.

The U.S. should also be forceful in extraditing whomever the Spanish Court indicts in their torture proceedings.


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by Georgeo57 on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 09:08:54 PM EST

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God Pelosi sounds stupid.


by ralphlopez on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 09:42:31 PM EST

I think the truth commission is the best idea (2.00 / 1)

because, I am sorry folks, you have NO IDEA how the Republicans and the right wing are going to take this and run with it.

We can lose the media war, they would love NOTHING better then to have this issue front and center.

Keep it in Congress, or let Holder handle it, but STOP MAKING IT the only thing we talk about.

It's a trap. Cheney et all wants this fight.

I know these people, this is their turf.

Defending America against the terrorist, while all we lefties want to do is coddle them and prosecute good soldiers in the war on Terror?

Let Congress handle it, that is the right form for this.


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by WashStateBlue on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 09:43:42 PM EST

Trap? (none / 0)

It's a trap? Interesting frame. How so? I think that Cheney is in a panic over this. I think he'd rather it go away.

I do think you're right. This is a job for Congress and ultimately tackling this successfully will demonstrate a political maturity that the country has long lacked, well at least since the Watergate era and the Church hearings. It's an opportunity to live up to American values not run away from them.


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by Charles Lemos on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:19:59 PM EST
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Re: It's a trap (none / 0)

Oh, I see. I guess that I give the American people more credit than that.


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by Charles Lemos on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 12:27:14 AM EST
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Yes, that is my sense too (none / 0)

Besides taxes, it's the one place they feel comfortable talking...

It really works for the base, it confirms their idea that the left is all about coddling terrorists.

Yes, I know...but that is how they will see it.

It also allows to play bluff cards, like Cheney's demand they release MORE info..The CIA is going to go APE if they do that.

They don't want any more focus on this, and they WILL NOT blame Cheney, they will blame the Obama admin. Which is WHAT the right wing wants, Right now, the CIA etc is angry at the right wing..

But, if the LEFT WING starts going at them, they will go back to the right wing in a hurry.

Yes, that sucks, and we are giving them a free pass but the alternative is just as bad.

To make this work, the Admin has to thread the needle.

And, please, understand, there is NOTHING more I would like to see then Addington and Yoo disbarred, Bibee impeached and Gonzales brought up on charges.

But, look at the Libby Trial. This would take YEARS compared to that...

And, the Republicans would happily fund any defense.

So, when I say it's a trap, that is what I mean.


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by WashStateBlue on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 02:00:52 AM EST
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Re: Yes, that is my sense too (none / 0)

I suspect your political instincts here are more in tuned than mine.


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by Charles Lemos on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 02:06:29 AM EST
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Charles, it doesn't make me happy... (none / 0)

I would LOVE to see the bar association toss out both Addington and Yoo....

They basically put out a thesis that it's perfectly legal for the US to ignore international law and virtually every treaty we have signed since WW2?

What MORE do you need to disbar someone?

Hell, the disbared Clinton for saying "depends on what the meaning of IS is.."

But, I am a realist, and chances are, NONE of these criminals will face justice.

I absolutely support all these commission (though I don't trust Diane Fienstien, who wants things buried not revealed) because WE NEED TO KNOW the full extent of this...


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by WashStateBlue on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 09:20:41 AM EST
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Also (none / 0)

another plus for going the Congressional route is that it restores a semblance of the Constitutional balance of powers. You know where Congress has oversight power and actually does its job. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part.


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by Charles Lemos on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:21:54 PM EST
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Re: I think the truth commission is the best idea (none / 0)

In other words you propose that this administration becomes complicit in torture by sheltering the torturers and those who authorized it from the rule of law.


by tarheel74 on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:25:12 PM EST
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It wouldn't be the first time.. (none / 0)

We illegally did the same thing for Unit 731


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by architek on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 11:02:18 PM EST
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Re: It wouldn't be the first time.. (2.00 / 1)

and we gave shelter to Nazi V2 scientists who used slave labor. But two wrongs don't make it right.


by tarheel74 on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 11:04:39 PM EST
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No, but it makes it unlikely (2.00 / 1)

we're suddenly going to find religion on this now.


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by DTOzone on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 11:20:06 PM EST
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Re: I think the truth commission is the best idea (2.00 / 2)

I agree with you, but it seems that no one is listening to us...

People so want revenge against the Bush administration, that they aren't seeing the politics clearly...

That and conservatives always care about politics first and foremost, while liberals don't care enough...  We'll beat this dead into the ground even if it means giving Obama a 10% approval rating and nothing progressive passing in a 100 years...

It's become like a bizarro-world version of the right to life people, who will accept nothing less than a ban on contraception, no matter what the cost....

Unfortunately, many people on our side think that, politically, this is a winning hand... they could not be more wrong...  At best... and it's going to have to be handled very delicately... at best, it's about a 10% loss of political capital... at it's worst, it could be a total loss...

So far, Obama's gallup numbers are actually going up, so, they may be able to get out of this mess with just a flesh wound...  but, they have to close this chapter fast!

What a political mistake this was, releasing the memos unredacted.  Obama would have gotten less flack from his supporters had he censored the memos than he is now having released them!


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by LordMike on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 11:21:44 PM EST
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This is really a blogsphere top issue (none / 0)

The blogsphere was formed out of vehement opposition to Bush policies that were ignored in their day...torture being among the most prominent.

This is an issue that ranks high on very few people's lists. For those whom it does, they're here.

I'm not sure why anyone should think the blogs have any influence.


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by DTOzone on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 01:09:33 AM EST
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Yes, exactly.... (none / 0)

And, if the publics sees all the democrats, all the liberal blogosphere totally focused on going back and prosecuting the Bushies, you are right, they will turn on us AND Obama.

Sorry, that is the political reality of it.

They want Obama focused on the Econonmy and Jobs, etc.

Congress SHOULD do a truth commission, but, sadly, and to all those Amped up to 11 on this, I think sadly you are going to get Diane Fienstiens watered down report in about 8-9 months, with so much redacted etc, it will be bipartisan bullshit.

The sad fact is, Rockefeller, Feinstien, and almost anyone connected with AIPAC knew what was going on here, and they are seeing the anger in the left base, and they want this buried.


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by WashStateBlue on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 02:06:19 AM EST
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