Lieberman Must Go

Dolting Joe certainly had himself a memorable Sunday morning, one that none of us should ever forget. On Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, the independent Senator from Connecticut said "If the public option plan is in there, as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote."

A matter of conscience? More like a matter of protecting the pockets of Connecticut's insurance citadel.

Then on the recent tragedy in Fort Hood that left 13 dead and injured another 30, Senator Lieberman seems to have all his facts in and drawn his own conclusions. The chairman of the Senate's Homeland Security committee said that the deadly shooting at Texas' Fort Hood military base was an act of "Islamist extremism."

Senator Lieberman said while it was too early to definitively state the motives of Nidal Hasan in very his next breath he notes that the clues pointed to terrorism. The Senator who heads the Senate's Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, said initial evidence suggested that the alleged shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, was a "self-radicalized, home-grown terrorist."

"There are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act," he told Fox News.

"It's clear that he was, one, under personal stress and, two -- if the reports that we're receiving of various statements he made, acts he took are valid -- he had turned to Islamist extremism," he said.

"If that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act."

I would think that one would wait until all the evidence is in before making such pronouncements. He intends to launch a congressional investigation into the motives behind "the worst terrorist attack since 9/11."

Meanwhile the New York Times reports that there's little evidence of terrorist plot in the Fort Hood slayings.

After two days of inquiry into the mass shooting at Fort Hood, investigators have tentatively concluded that it was not part of a terrorist plot.

Rather, they have come to believe that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused in the shootings, acted out under a welter of emotional, ideological and religious pressures, according to interviews with federal officials who have been briefed on the inquiry.

Investigators have not ruled out the possibility that Major Hasan believed he was carrying out an extremist's suicide mission.

But the investigators, working with behavioral experts, suggested that he might have long suffered from emotional problems that were exacerbated by the tensions of his work with veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who returned home with serious psychiatric problems.

They said his counseling activities with the veterans appear to have further fueled his anger and hardened his increasingly militant views as he was seeming to move toward more extreme religious beliefs -- all of which boiled over as he faced being shipped overseas, an assignment he bitterly opposed.

Investigators have gleaned most of their findings from Major Hasan's computer use and from interviews with his family members, co-workers and neighbors. One significant investigative thrust has involved determining whether Major Hasan had contact with extremists who preyed on his increasingly angry and outspoken opposition to American policies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But so far, investigators have unearthed no evidence that he was directed or steered into violence or ever traveled overseas to meet with extremist groups, as defendants in some recent terrorism cases are accused of doing, the officials said.

The officials emphasized that their findings were preliminary and that the investigation was fluid. New information could alter their perceptions of Major Hasan's motives. But the early conclusions are already influencing the course of the inquiry, including which law enforcement agencies lead it.

I think it is too early to draw definitive conclusions. The investigation remains fluid. But it is long overdue to act on Joe Lieberman. It is time to strip Dolting Joe from his chairmanship and oust him from the Democratic caucus.



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If he really had extremist/terrorist connections (none / 0)

then he have been more valuable in Afghanistan than in the U.S.? Course, that's logical and we're dealing with fundamentally illogical anti-Islamic emotion driven propaganda, I know.


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by wegerje on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 07:59:27 PM EST

Consequences (none / 0)

Is Joe truly a lost cause?
Does Harry Reid believe that there is absolutely positively no way he will vote for a bill with a public option?

If that is the case, then yes, punish him and humiliate him. Take his office, his chairmanships, and close his pet project sub base in Groton. Call him what he is: a Republican trying to have it both ways.

I'd rather have 59 honest democrats then 60 with one turncoat.

The problem is, we then have 59 votes. Healthcare reform, and the public option, are dead.


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by NoFortunateSon on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 08:03:40 PM EST

reconciliation (2.00 / 1)

It's not ideal, but it might be the only way. It's better than 60 votes for health care reform with no public option.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 09:02:22 PM EST
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Re: reconciliation (none / 0)

HCR will not be dead. The PO will be on life support tho. Snowe's trigger will be back.


by vecky on Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 01:26:33 AM EST
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Lieberman does need to go (none / 0)

if we wont vote for cloture on healthcare.  At the very least, he should get his chairmanship taken away.  


by Kent on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 09:09:22 PM EST

Re: Lieberman Must Go (none / 0)

I think we should hold a vote to call him on his statements.  If he votes no, revoke his chairmanship and send the passed house bill through reconcillation to the senate.  maybe we can get 50 votes for it and get a better bill than we would have trying to get 60 votes for cloture.  Plus we will teach the rethugs a lesson.  If they hadn't been so stubborn they could have diluted healthcare more but since they pushed us too far we passed a stronger bill with only 50 votes.  Plus Biden obviously.


by goodleh on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 10:47:55 PM EST

Re: Lieberman Must Go (2.00 / 1)

This makes no sense - if he's an Islamic extremist, his crimes are thus terrorism? It's not possible for a person with extreme religious views to be motivated by something else? They can't simultaneously be both an extremist and medically depressed, and shoot out of the latter rather than the former?


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by Nathan Empsall on Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 12:42:15 AM EST

Re: Lieberman Must Go (none / 0)

"[H]e had turned to Islamist extremism," he said.  "If that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act."  Simple things for simple minds.  If the self-evident double-speak of that statement doesn't ring alarm bells for each and every person who hears it then what hope do we have of making a case for wiser counsels?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 05:09:24 AM EST
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