Don't punt the public option debate to the states

Senate Democrats have not given up on passing health care reform through normal procedures requiring at least 60 votes to overcome a Republican filibuster. The problem is, several conservative Senate Democrats are on record opposing a public health insurance option. Meanwhile, a bill with no public option will have trouble passing the House of Representatives, where the overwhelming majority of the Democratic caucus supports a robust public option tied to Medicare rates.

The obvious political solution is to include some watered-down public option in the bill, giving cover to Progressive Democrats who insist on a public option while placating House Blue Dogs and Senate conservatives who want to protect private insurers' market share.

The "triggered" public option favored by many industry allies didn't fly, because most Democrats understand that the trigger would never be pulled. This past week, a new possible compromise emerged:

It was pulled out of an alternative idea, put forth by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and, prior to him, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, to give states the power to determine whether they want to implement a public insurance option.

But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one.

Chuck Schumer of New York confirmed that Senate Democrats are giving serious consideration to the opt-out idea. Senate HELP Committee Chairman Tom Harkin sounds open to the compromise. Former Governor Howard Dean, who has been railing against "fake" public options all year, told the Huffington Post he might support this compromise.

"If I were a member of the U.S Senate I wouldn't vote for the [Senate Finance Committee] bill but I would vote for this [opt-out plan]," Dean said, "not because it is necessarily the right thing to do but because it gets us to a better conversation about what we need to do. [...] if this passes I won't say it is not reform because it is reform. If this is what it takes to get 60 votes I say go for it."

Supporters of this compromise assume that very few states would opt out, because the public health insurance option is so popular. Alternatively, some people argue that even if a lot of red states opt out, blue states will reap economic benefits, while Republican politicians at the state and federal level are put in an awkward position.

There's no question that enacting some kind of nationwide public health insurance plan with an "opt-out" would give far more Americans access to the plan than Carper's "opt-in" proposal.

However, my concern is that quite a lot of states might ditch the public health insurance plan. Corporate interests have at least as much influence over state legislatures as they do over Congress--perhaps more. The public option would particularly benefit residents of states with little to no competition in the private health insurance market. But Representative Bruce Braley (IA-01) seems on target in warning that states with "strong political influence from one or two major health insurance companies" would be most likely to opt out, leaving "consumers in those states without a meaningful choice."

Daily Kos user eugene argues here, "Not only is this a bad idea because of the policy and political costs of throwing 'red states' overboard, it dramatically understates the very real risks that even so-called 'blue states' would choose the opt-out." Click through to read his case.

This Huffington Post piece points out another reason to be wary:

"One problem with the opt-out idea is that Republicans may seize on it in the future and turn it into a general opt-out for states to exempt themselves from the whole bill," said Paul Starr, health care expert at Princeton University. "Remember there will be four years and two elections before the reforms go into effect. This would be the easiest step for Republicans take during that period to ensure that the whole thing would unravel. And it would unravel because states that adopted the reform would become magnets for migration by the sick from states that opted out."

Punting the public option choice to the states might squeeze a few extra votes out of the Senate, but at what cost? Passing a more comprehensive bill with just 51 votes in the Senate, using the budget reconciliation process, seems more promising than obtaining 60 votes for an opt-out.

In related news, Senator Chris Dodd promised yesterday to "fight for a strong public option" when he works with Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus to merge the bills passed by the HELP and Finance committees. Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio and 29 other Senate Democrats sent Reid a letter this week supporting a public option "available continuously in all parts of the country."



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Re: Don't punt the public option to the states (none / 0)

"'And it would unravel because states that adopted the reform would become magnets for migration by the sick from states that opted out.'"

My first thought was that proof of residency would take care of that, but I do not want the public option run like Medicaid.  Have you ever had to apply for Medicaid?  I have, and I know that they deliberately make the triage so difficult that people just give up.  And this was during the relatively solvent times of the early 'oughts.

But do you really think that would happen?  How many families do you see having catastrophic, expensive injuries, and then relocating?  I'm genuinely curious because I don't know if the pool of sick people is mobile in the sense that we usually think of the labor pool being mobile.  And by I don't know I mean I do not know.

This is something that needs to be studied beyond the level of thought experiments and conjectures in essays, because "squeezing a few more votes out of the Senate" is the whole ballgame.  This isn't like the trigger or co-ops - if it's opt-out or no plan, every last progressive in Congress will get behind opt-out.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 08:21:39 AM EST

if a state opts out from the whole bill (none / 0)

then families with a member who has a pre-existing condition certainly might relocate.

If the choice is opt-out or no plan, I would go for opt-out. But if the choice is 60 votes for opt-out versus 51 votes for a public plan, I choose the latter.

The more difficult choice would be 51 votes for weak public option (HELP) versus 60 votes for a strong public option (like the House Ways and Means Committee bill, stronger than HR 3200) with opt-out.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:19:22 AM EST
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Re: if a state opts out from the whole bill (none / 0)

My concern with using Budget Reconciliation is that it has to be revisited down the line and if it is revisted when Repubs control one or both houses of Congress it will be virtually DOA... and personally I think the only thing the Repubs would enjoy more than killing this thing now would be to take it away from us AFTER it looks like we are getting what we need.


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by JDF on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:35:55 AM EST
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Re: if a state opts out from the whole bill (none / 0)

It is my understanding that all of the other provisions (no exclusion  for pre-existing etc.) would remain intact under an opt out plan. To the best of my knowledge, no Dem has indicated that they would allow a state to opt out of participating in HCR.  From everything i've read and heard, the underlying basis would remain the same and the only difference would be on whether or not the exchange in a particular state contained a public option.

Also, there is a possibility that if the combined Senate bill contained a public option, even an opt out one, it would be easier to keep a public option when the House and Senate reconcile their bills.


by MOBlue on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 03:41:12 PM EST
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Re: Don't punt the public option to the states (2.00 / 1)

Thanks to HHH my family moved to Minnesota when I was young because Mn. had the best care for the mentally retarded. My sister received and receives wonderful care and support as does the entire family. I can easily see families moving to gain help with health care concerns.


by Judeling on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 12:11:54 PM EST
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I know two moms (2.00 / 1)

who moved to the Des Moines area because Iowa has relatively good services for kids on the autistic spectrum. One family moved from Colorado, the other from Kansas.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 12:19:46 PM EST
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Re: Don't punt the public option to the states (none / 0)

I'm thinking on the macro level.  I know it happens a lot - everyone knows one family at the very least that has relocated for health reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you'd see huge migrations.  

But thanks for the information.  I mean it's something that I'm really curious about.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:41:20 AM EST
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Re: Don't punt the public option (none / 0)

This is nothing but political cover for the Dems.  In the purple states like North Carolina, we will have to go through the same damned process of fighting tooth and nail against the corporate whores in our own party to try to get protection from the insurance industry.

I think it is also delusional to think that even in the blue states that there will be an easy path to health care reform via a public option.  The insurance industry will have another chance to drag the process out until they regain political control.  They won't let their cash cow go without employing every roadblock they can muster.  What this does is pass the buck and let the Dem's off the hook for what they have been promising for decades.  It is also a betrayal of the Dems in red states who have been fighting the good fight, expecting a little bit of loyalty in return.  


by candideinnc on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 08:30:57 AM EST

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I think the idea is that in practice it will be so popular that states without it won't be able to keep it out for long.

That may be naive, but don't talk about 'political cover' and 'betrayal' - as someone who wants the public option and is very afraid it won't be able to pass, when I first heard about opt-out I thought it was a smart idea, and I'm certain I'm not out to betray anyone.  

I'm beginning to sour on it, but it should go without saying that this is a mechanism in case the national insurance plan can't pass the Senate.  What if it can't?  I'm not content to let the chips fall where they may so I can have the satisfaction of voting the bums out; I want something real.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 08:35:48 AM EST
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The people who are doing the betrayal are not people like you.  They are people like the DINO senators from Nebraska and Louisiana -- and Baucus.  I am sorry, but I do not see these folks as principled in the least.

I know that there are those that say it is merely pragmatism to achieve what is achievable.  My problem with all of this is the very real possibility that nothing at all will be achieved.


by candideinnc on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 08:58:25 AM EST
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Yeah I can't argue with that.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:09:41 AM EST
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Of course (none / 0)

"...I am sorry, but I do not see these folks as principled in the least...."
Think about it: These Senators are siding with corporations that have been in the business of screwing people over for years in life and death matters while making millions.

You're either with the American people, or you're with the corporations. These Senators, for money, have chosen the latter.

It's disgusting. And the more the focus shifts to them to change their mind, the bigger their egos grow, and the more money they can get from the insurance industry.

That said, there is very little that can be done. These Senators make up our 60. Without them, we don't have 60 for cloture.

I believe they will come under terrible pressure to tow the party line in the coming days. Harry Reid can revoke their chairmanships afterwards as punishment if they fail to vote for cloture, although that is considered a nuclear option of sorts.

So if it comes to nothing or an opt-out, I have to side with the opt-out.

My argument is as follows: even the reddest of the red states would not opt out of social security or Medicaid. The Republicans fear the public option will become too popular, and they are right.


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by NoFortunateSon on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 01:12:15 PM EST
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but they could opt out (2.00 / 1)

before the public option even goes into effect (in 2013).

We have yet to hear Obama or any senior White House official say the president won't sign any bill without a public option. If he had made that clear months ago, we would be in a stronger bargaining position now.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 02:25:49 PM EST
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state legislators don't always vote (2.00 / 1)

for what's popular. In Iowa there is huge public support for more regulation of industrial hog lots, but industry is able to keep those bills from even passing at the subcommittee level in our Democratic-controlled legislature.

Bills that are good for corporations but bad for the public interest pass state legislatures frequently. Here is just one example from Iowa, where Democrats control the governor's chair and both chambers of the legislature.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:22:12 AM EST
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also in Iowa (2.00 / 1)

where Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield controls 70 percent of the market, I could easily see our legislature opting out under corporate pressure. They could claim we don't really need the public option, because Iowa is tied for second place in terms of overall quality of medical care.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:26:45 AM EST
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Re: Don't punt the public option (none / 0)

Because it is an "opt out" plan rather than an "opt in" plan it will be a much harder fight for the corporate interest than you realize. The reason for this is simple. If it were opt-in they could just keep it from ever coming to a vote at the state level, but because it is opt out they have to vote on it if they want to stop it and that will be a VERY high profile vote pretty much anywhere. How many state legislators are going to stake their political future on the idea of NOT giving their constituents healthcare? If the public option has any kind of real popularity in a state it would be available under this plan, and if it really is unpopular in a state...well, thats democracy, right?


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by JDF on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:39:07 AM EST
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I guess I'm more cynical (2.00 / 1)

States with Republican-controlled legislatures would opt out in a heartbeat. Even with a Democratic-controlled legislature, I'd say there's a decent chance a dominating insurance company could buy enough votes to opt out.

Remember, the public option isn't going to go into effect until 2013.

I agree, though, that once the public option has been up and running for a few years, it would be politically difficult for state legislatures to pass votes to opt out.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 12:22:09 PM EST
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Re: I guess I'm more cynical (none / 0)

I understand your cynicism on this issue, but I have also seen first hand what being on the wrong side of an issue does to a state legislature. In 2005 the Pennsylvania legislature voted to give itself a pay raise, the same as it had done a hundred times before. However, for some reason the public responded differently this time and more incumbents were defeated the following year than in any previous election. Now imagine, if instead of voting to give themselves a payraise they were voting to opt out of a popular public health plan what might have happened. The bloodbath would have been even larger and the new legislature would be voting to undo what had been previously done as fast as possible.

I have no illusions that some states won't opt out if it is an option. But most will not. Quite simply, it would be political suicide on too large a scale. (Not to mention that in Democratic controlled legislatures those who sold their votes would likely be shown the door by the leadership VERY quickly so as to avoid any collateral damage from the fallout.)

All in all, while it is not an ideal solution, it might be the best we can do right now and I know progressives hate to think this way but sometimes something is better than nothing.


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by JDF on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 06:13:34 PM EST
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One of the big issues I have with it are the race and class element. For example, let's say this really is a red state problem. What happens to those who are too poor to leave? What happen to the great bulk of African Amereicans living in red states who may be denied the public option. And for what re we doing this? Apparently not certain votes since several Senators have already repeated their same hesitance about the public option. We precompromising with  our selves. "Oh look, this is a great idea!" Without bothering to find out if the people we actually need to convince are indeed convinced to compromise. It is really odd.


by bruh3 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 01:09:44 PM EST

that's a big problem (none / 0)

and I imagine members of the Congressional Black Caucus and Congressional Hispanic Caucus would be reluctant to support an opt-out for that reason.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 04:10:00 PM EST
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Re: that's a big problem (none / 0)

May be they will, but, the speed by which others jump onto pre-compromise bandwagons without thinking through what they are compromising or whether they  gained anything stuns me.  There is no attempt to link ideas to practical reality of who is harmed by any given policy outcome.


by bruh3 on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 07:14:37 PM EST
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