RNC Buying Time in Red States

The Associated Press may believe that the map is shrinking, but the Republican National Committee apparently doesn't. Here's The New York Times today:

In one indication of how Mr. McCain defines the battleground and the message he will emphasize to counter the Democratic strategy, the Republican National Committee recently bought television time in 14 states for an advertisement calling Mr. Obama and Congressional Democrats "ready to tax, ready to spend, but not ready to lead."

That advertisement will be shown in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia (all Republican states in 2004 that Mr. Obama is contesting aggressively this time) and Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, (Democratic states four years ago that Mr. McCain is trying to win over).

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For their part, Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin chose to remain in solid Republican territory. Thousands of enthusiastic supporters greeted them at an airport rally in Colorado Springs, where the crowd waved a sea of flags and chanted "Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin."

It's certainly the case that some red states like Florida, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada and Ohio have been among the swingiest of the swing states in the last couple presidential elections, but the same cannot be said of Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia -- all of which were relatively close while not closely contested -- or even Missouri, which has recently been contested early but not late in campaigns. The fact, then, that these states are in the mix of Republican ad buys -- as well as the fact that the Obama campaign is apparently considering buying time in states like Arizona and West Virginia even as it scales back in Georgia, and that Barack Obama himself campaigned in Montana and Missouri during the Democratic National Convention -- belies the notion that the map in 2008 looks just like the map from 2004 and 2000.

At present, we still have an expanded map that is cutting into traditionally red areas of the country. That may change, and I would not be surprised to see some of the redder states currently being contested being eased out of the rotation of both ad buys and candidate visits going forward. But for now, a significantly larger number of normally Republican states are seeing action than has been the case in the last couple of elections.

Update [2008-9-7 2:45:55 by Jonathan Singer]: Note the good omens out of Virginia...



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Re: RNC Buying Time in Red States (none / 0)

That advertisement will be shown in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia (all Republican states in 2004 that Mr. Obama is contesting aggressively this time) and Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, (Democratic states four years ago that Mr. McCain is trying to win over).

Notably absent from that list: Indiana, Montana, North Dakota. Looks like the Republicans are pretty confident about holding those states. Let's hope they're over-confident.


by Angry White Democrat on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 03:01:49 AM EST

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Well - I think MT and ND are probably irrelevant in the EC picture.

The scenarios where either state's 3 EVs swing the election just aren't there, for either side.  

If Obama wins either, he's probably already all but locked up the election before we cross the Mississippi on Nov 4.

IN, though, is puzzling.  I think the Obama surge in Indiana is real - perhaps the GOP is banking on IN's new voter ID law and GOP partisans controlling the state apparatus giving them an Ohio 2004 edge.

All that said, I have absolutely no problem with Obama spending both time and money in MT and ND.  It expands the map.  It builds narrative.  It puts the GOP on its heals.  It might well force McCain into playing defense in places he can't afford to.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:29:54 PM EST
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There are a few... i have seen some plausible 269 - 260 scenarios.  


by yitbos96bb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:18:55 PM EST
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I pretty much use Nate Silver's scenario analysis and state projections -- there are certainly ways a 3 EV state can make the difference, but they're very slim chances.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:22:38 PM EST
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Well...

All the Kerry States minus NH, Plus IA, NM and CO =269...  So that leaves a LOT of little states to put us over.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:29:00 PM EST
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Can't remember the PBS commentator who said it after the RNC convention, "Obama is in the fight of his life." And no one should doubt it. Reps been selling us on the benefits of helping the rich for thirty years, while dumping security programs, and they've gotten elected on that platform. They must know what they're doing.


by shyboy on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:34:54 AM EST

Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% (none / 0)

First time since May - McCain's support from white working class women (no college) has surged causing this stunning turn around.

It's apparent there is nothing in Alaska that's going to turn back the Palin effect, they need her to make a fatal error in a 'gotcha' interview - this is Obama's only chance to turn this around.


by oliver777 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:14:36 PM EST
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Re: Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% (none / 0)

I don't think it's going to hold for these reasons:

1.  Most people are not aware that she opposes choice even in cases of rape or incest

2. The true story of the "bridge to nowhere" is starting to come out in the MSM

3. She has been an earmark queen ever since she was mayor of Wasilla.

She's cast as a different type of politician, but it will come out that she's just as corrupt as the rest of the GOP.  Fear not!

Also, our ground game currently outnumbers his several times over in the swing states.  If we had the ground game that we have now in Ohio in 2004, we'd be going for Kerry's 2nd term.


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by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:21:40 PM EST
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Re: Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% (none / 0)

Bullshit...   Quit the concern trolling.  IT'S BOUNCE POLLING!  This is absolutely NOTHING right now.  Not only bounce polling including Palin and McCain post speeches but Friday and Saturday which are notoriously hard to poll.   Before making stupid concern troll comments like you made, lets see how the polling looks Thursday.  That will be a more accurate portrayal of where the race is.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:22:19 PM EST
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Re: Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% (none / 0)

Oliver777 is the quintessential concern troll, someone's sockepuppet straight from NoQuarter land is my guess.

Rankles maybe?

Even one of his posts is cold water, unwaverlingly negative, the worst possible spin.


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by WashStateBlue on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:49:25 PM EST
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Re: Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% (none / 0)

I don't know what concern trolling is but if making statements to the effect that the GOP is on a role and moving the polls is concern trolling, then I wonder if anyone will be able to say anything that is not Obama positive without getting criticized.

The delusion that all is well is not exactly what I would like to read, because it might be unrealistic. A bounce effect is a good counterargument, but since "the fight of your life" comment came from a neutral observer, it should also be permitted access.


by shyboy on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 09:47:49 AM EST
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For what it's worth...I'm in Duval county, Fl and folks it doesn't get any redder that it does here.  To date I have yet to see any McCain yard signs when traditionally they are out by mid August and I have not seen the first McCain bumper sticker when in 04 easily 7 out of 10 cars had at least a "W" sticker.  The only thing I have seen is one "No Obama in 08" bumper sticker.  That's it. And during the last two weeks I've purposly taken extra time to drive through the parking lots and check the cars.

I've quizzed my children and some friends who all commute into different areas of town and they have seen a couple of Obama stickers, but no one has seen a single McCain sticker or yard sign.

My husband is retired Navy and I've checked cars on base as well as in the off base Exchange and Commissary parking lots!  Nada.  

Additionaly, in the Times Union I'm seeing a 50/50 split on letters to the editor.  I've lived here 28 years and usually see only two or three left leaning letters per month during a national election.  

I know it's unofficial, but it's awfully hard for me not to get a little giddy...


by JaxDem on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:50:15 AM EST

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I hope so.

FL (along with OH) are game enders for McCain.  If he loses either FL or OH, there's simply no path for him.

Obama can win without carrying either - but it's over if he can pull just one of them.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:39:10 PM EST
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Add VA in there too, if McCain loses VA, he's toast


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:43:50 PM EST
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Yeah, probably...

But - though, were he to carry all 2004 Bush states (minus VA) and flip NH - he'd end up with 281 EVs.

Of course, he's not going to carry all 2004 Bush states -- IA looks like a lost cause to him.

Sooo... let's assume IA is gone and VA flips.

That's 20 EVs out of Bush's 286 he loses... Flipping NH's 4 EVs would give him 270 exactly.

Again, though - we win VA, we're winning either OH or FL and probably going to bed relatively early and very happy on 11/4.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:51:06 PM EST
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That would also require McCain taking NM, which does not look very likely right now!

All of the Kerry states plus NM, IA, and VA put us at 273.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:10:02 PM EST
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Ooops - you're right.

Forgot NM was a Bush state in 2004, too.... so you were right originally - VA is every bit as irrecoverable a loss as OH and FL.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:16:50 PM EST
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So would Colorado in place of Virginia

And for the Record, all the Kerry states plus NM, IA and VA puts us at 277... Kerry won NH in 2004 remember.

So if Obama hangs on to the Kerry States, including NH and gets IA, NH and CO, he wins as well.  

CO and VA are both must win for John boy unless he can flip a Kerry state or hang on to IA and NM.


by yitbos96bb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:31:56 PM EST
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That's also true!  For some reason I don't like the chances in CO and OH as much as VA.

High AA turnout in VA and OH would be tough for Big John to beat, but VA is 20% AA while in OH is 11%.  

Who knows though?  I hope labor comes out in full force in Ohio as well.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:36:37 PM EST
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So when can we run the "Celebrity" ad and substitute Palin for Obama?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:04:36 AM EST

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Thousands of enthusiastic supporters greeted them at an airport rally in Colorado Springs, where the crowd waved a sea of flags and chanted "Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin.

Whoever heard of a candidate riding his VP's coattails to victory?  Seriously, has that ever happened before?


by Will Graham on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:12:36 AM EST

Re: RNC Buying Time in Red States (none / 0)

Beyond her personal scandals and her ties to right wing extremism, one of the reasons she's a ticking time bomb is that McCain has to run as McCain in the next 60 days.


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:20:28 AM EST
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Teddy Roosevelt maybe?


by yitbos96bb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:32:43 PM EST
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Saw the ad during Meet The Press. My how these people disgust me. Says that the Dems will cause "painful" tax increases, soaring deficits (oh yeah - guess who brought us those) and ends with a picture of McCain that only a person kneeling at his feet and looking up would see!

We always forget how easily they lie.


by Bob Miller on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:14:33 AM EST

Re: RNC Buying Time in Red States (none / 0)

Honestly, I don't see these false ads working this time around, because anything is better than what we currently have.


by nzubechukwu on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:33:42 AM EST
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The same old red-meat ads, the same base rally.

I said, the moment they nominated her, for the base, it WOULD be the Sarah Palin crusade.

This is NO LONGER about McCain for any of them.

A REAL Religious Right ideoluge instead of fake one like Bush.

See, just when you think it can't, things CAN get worse.

The greatest sin at that moment is the arrogance of the Republics in hiding Ms Palin out to shield her from the press.

Is the press going to call them out on it?

Or continue to hail her "as a masterful choice" for the Republics?


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by WashStateBlue on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:30:44 AM EST

Watch out for New Hampshire! (none / 0)

McCain is historically very popular here and I see many more McCain signs than Obama signs. I think that not only does McCain have a good chance here, but I'm also concerned with Paul Hodes house seat. Much work to do here! I hope Obama isn't taking NH for granted.


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by Travis Stark on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:41:29 AM EST

Re: Watch out for New Hampshire! (none / 0)

Yup, last two polls I see (not counting Zogby) have Barack up by 1% in each.

Way to close for comfort.


by Bob Miller on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:54:04 AM EST
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Borrowed and squandered (none / 0)

ads should be aired by Democrats to highlight the fraud of Republican fiscal policies.  They should be held accountable for running government with borrowed money while proclaiming how they can do it without raising taxes.  Funding public sector goods and services requires paying for them with either tax revenues or borrowed money.  Republicans chose the latter to trumpet their disdain for the former.  Obama should frame it as a tax on the future while lying about their fiscal abilities.  Borrow and squander should be one of the main points that Democrats make to replace Republicans.


by Gilpin Guy on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:44:42 AM EST

Disagree (2.00 / 1)

If you look at this map:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pr es/Maps/Sep07.html

you will see that in 2004 we were contesting the same states Obama is now contesting- AND we were ahead in Tennessee and almost tied in Arkansas.  The only difference is that now Obama is more solid in many many states (thank God)- including Penn, MN,WI, and IA.  Kerry was more solid in NV (although he wound up losing that one!).  What I'm saying is that the swing states were the same (with the addition of a couple Kerry had in play that Obama does not). The only new states possibly put "in play" (MT, ND) are offset by the LACK of MS, ARK, and TN.  Again, we're talking about "at this time" in 2004- not what ultimately happened. Obama is just further ahead right now than Kerry was at the same time.

I just don't buy this argument that the "map is different".  It sounds good- but the facts don't back it up.

Sorry.


by easyE on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:57:56 AM EST

That Kerry map is interesting (none / 0)

Kerry seemed to be in pretty bad shape after the RNC convention.  I guess the debates allowed him to get back in it and make the race a barn-burner or else Bush could have blown him out.

Missouri is the most disappointing state for me this election cycle.  Obama has made more appearances in the state and is yet, further behind McCain at this point than Kerry was in 2004.

I'm surprised Kerry was so close in Arkansas, though that goes to show you how unpopular Bush became among old-school southern dems.  If Big Dog wasn't sick, perhaps Kerry would have seriously contested it and not let it get away from him.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:26:54 PM EST
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It was near the low water mark for Kerry, where he was swamped by both the RNC and the Swift Boaters back-to-back.  Hell, he was tied in Maryland and within 4 in Illinois at one point.

I can't believe he was up in TN (although TN and KY, along with MO, have actually voted for the Presidential winner for decades...)


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:35:49 PM EST
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Re: That Kerry map is interesting (2.00 / 1)

It's worth noting, though -- unless RCP is missing one -- we haven't had an MO poll in a month.

Who knows, maybe the next round rings the bell on MO.

And yes - it's discouraging that PPP, a D leaner, would give us our first double digit spread.

But that said, I don't see how we have a clear picture of MO at this point.

I have no doubt that the Obama camp is doing polling of their own... They've been too smart all cycle to be wasting time in a state they have no shot in.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:45:05 PM EST
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Re: That Kerry map is interesting (2.00 / 1)

Mizzou has CONSISTENTLY been 3-4% more GOP than the rest of the nation the past 3 elections, and unless there was a huge demographic shift I have a hard time thinking the gap will be much different.

Obama being from IL makes me think there's no reason it can't be a 2% gap, meaning he can win it in a moderate nationwide win.

Biggest thing working against Obama is that it is Rush's home state.


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:11:50 PM EST
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Re: That Kerry map is interesting (2.00 / 1)

Nate's got MO as a 1 in 4 shot for Obama at fivethiryeight.

My gut says it's closer to 1 in 3, but until Obama looks to be having seriously trouble hanging onto PA or MI, I think it's fertile ground for Obama to be working.

I was very happy to see Obama in IN this weekend - and in a rather red area of IN, at that.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:20:19 PM EST
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Re: That Kerry map is interesting (none / 0)

Ah yes, Terre Haute, home of one of the most conservative colleges to have a high USNews ranking (Rose-Hulman.)

I would not be surprised at all if McCain comes close to winning the Rose PROFESSOR vote, and he should win the student vote going away (although the state is going to be a lot closer than usual, and the school comes close to mirroring it.)


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:45:18 PM EST
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Re: Missouri feels like home to him (none / 0)

I'm sure Obama is also relying on Claire McCaskill's guidance in MO. She pulled out a win in '06 that took the Repubs by surprise. Now Obama is following her playbook, appearing for his rallies in small cities and towns rather than the big cities (STL and KC) hated by the rest of the state. Hey, it must remind him of Illinois, so naturally he thinks he can win there too.

Bonus: MO has two competitive House races. One is comprised of Kansas City and its northern exurbs. The other is an open seat in the "Little Dixie" region that includes Mark Twain's Hannibal. We have a good chance to win those seats this year. If we win, we have a good chance to hold them. If we lose, it could be a long, long time before we get another good shot at them.


by Woody on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:21:26 PM EST
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun (none / 0)

You're right that Obama's battleground list is not much different from Kerry's. Remember that Kerry kicked off his post-convention campaign with a whistle-stop tour from St. Louis to the Grand Canyon, in pursuit of "the Southwestern Strategy." Well, this year we got an early caucus in Nevada and a Convention in Denver as part of a re-christened Western Strategy (drop McSame's home state of AZ and substitute MT and ND).

Regrettable about Nevada in '04. Kerry held Bush to same <22,000 margin as Gore despite a huge increase in votes from the state's growing population.

Of course, the choice of John Edwards as Veep was in part in hopes of making NC competitive and even getting a slight uptick in neighboring VA.

Georgia was gonna be new to the map for real, but now reports are that Obama is pulling his ads. (I'm cynical: They may be pulling the ads to let Jim Martin run for Senator without stirring up a certain large segment of the white voters, if you know what I mean.)

So maybe the only "new" battleground state is Indiana! Well, why not. It's next door to Obama's home, so importing volunteers is easy. Ads run in Cincinnati are seen in a bunch of rural Indiana counties. Ads run on South Bend TV are seen in a swath of southern Michigan, while ads in Fort Wayne reach some rural counties in Ohio, and that's all good. The state has a Governor's race, a possibly competitive House race, and a likely open seat for Senator coming up in 2010. Low cost, good benefit, so go for it.

It's cute that Kerry was once polling well in Tennessee and Arkansas. This year, forgetaboutit. Obama has not learned how to get votes from Appalachians. But he is looking much stronger than Kerry was in Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Win any one of those plus Iowa and we can go to sleep early on election night and not have to wait up to see how the Southwestern Strategy plays out this year.


by Woody on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:07:32 PM EST
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Re: Nothing New Under the Sun (none / 0)

Meant to attach this reply to Easy E, sorry.


by Woody on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:08:54 PM EST
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I live in VA. I was fortunate to vote for Mark Warner when he ran for governor in 2001. I also voted for Kaine, Webb, and Obama in the primaries. I sure hope that the base gets fired up and voters in Northern VA turn out in large numbers to vote for Obama. McCain can probably count on the military vote even though many in the military are cautious about his plans to be in Iraq for the next 100 years. I hope all those people who pull the lever for Warner also pull the lever for Obama.


by Steve24 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:53:17 PM EST

Re: RNC Buying Time in Red States (none / 0)

For the forces of evil, this may actually be a wise strategic move if it helps shore up the McCain/Palin ticket in national polls.  Sure, the winner is selection by the Electoral College, but those activist and fundraisers who obsess over the daily polls (such as me and many of you) live and die with each rise and fall of the standing of their candidate.  In 2000, George Bush purchased national advertising which many considered to be wasteful and non-strategic, but it pulled him closer to Al Gore and created momentum for his campaign.  With this in mind, it is could be wise for a candidate to invest a little in their base states to pump up their national numbers in order to gain or maintain national momentum.  It won't be known until after the election, when we can retroactively analyze each strategic, operational and tactical move, whether this expenditure decision was wise.


by darrenfelipe on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:25:40 PM EST

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Barr threatening "serious legal consequences" about ballot in TX-

Someone may have to Pen in TEXAS... as a write in play!!!!!!!!!!

Although I'm not voting for Barr he appears to be on SOLID ground with the Texas law

http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/200 8/09/04/in-texas-the-evidence-is-clear


by mrJJ on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:25:45 PM EST

Shoring Up Their Base (none / 0)

It's going to be a traditional race, with the GOP focusing on its red-state base and hitting hard in the swing states.

Obama shouldn't focus much time or effort in trying to "convert" red states.  Its a strategy best left to a re-election campaign when Dems are dealing from a position of strength and success.

Focus on shoring up the blue state base and winning the swing states.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 04:00:40 PM EST


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