Reform the caucus system

David Yepsen has a good column in Sunday's Des Moines Register urging Iowa's political parties to improve the caucus system. He reasons that Iowa is less likely to retain its first-in-the-nation status if our state parties do not correct some of the flaws in the caucus process.

I would go further and state that Iowa does not deserve to remain first unless the parties make some changes in the caucus system. Actually, if I were in charge of reforming the nominating process, I would ban caucuses for the purposes of presidential selection. The parties in Iowa will never adopt primaries, though, because of New Hampshire's law stating that it must hold the first primary.

After the jump I'll go over the reforms Yepsen proposes, which would go a long way toward addressing the flaws in the Iowa caucus system. I will then add a few ideas of my own.

For background, here are links to the diaries I wrote last year on the Iowa caucus system:

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 1 (basic elements of the caucus system)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 2 (corrects an error in part 1 and discusses who is over-represented and who is under-represented when delegates are counted)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 3 (why it's hard to turn out caucus-goers)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 4 (more about why caucus turnout is low)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 5 (on second choices and caucus math)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 6 (on how precinct captains help their candidates before caucus night)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 7 (why it's hard to figure out how well the candidates are doing in Iowa)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 8 (on the many ways to win your precinct)

How the Iowa caucuses work, part 9 (analyzes common arguments made in favor of the caucus system, along with my response to those arguments)

Yepsen offers seven reforms to the Iowa caucuses:

Involve county auditors

I'm with Yepsen here:

In Iowa, county election officials should run caucuses just as they run primaries and elections. They should report results at each county, just as they do other elections.

The poll workers who staff the polling places on Election Day could be recruited to staff each caucus. This injects an element of fairness, objectivity and expertise into the process.

Conduct secret-ballot voting

Iowa Republicans already do this, but Democrats have to stand in a group with other supporters of their candidate. Again, I'm with Yepsen--let people make their choices without having to tell all the neighbors.

Report the number of caucus-goers who supported each candidate

Again, the Republicans already do this, but the Iowa Democratic Party refuses to release those raw numbers. Instead, we hear about "delegate equivalents," which obscures the number of people who preferred each candidate. Statewide, Bill Richardson only received about 2 percent of the delegates, and Joe Biden only 1 percent, but it's clear they had a lot more support than that.

In my precinct, about 3 percent of the caucus-goers stood up for Dodd, 8 percent stood up for Biden, and 10 percent stood up for Bill Richardson. However, since none of those three were viable, their supporters did not "count" toward the candidates they liked best.

The Iowa Democratic caucuses could be a glorified straw poll, like the Iowa Republicans hold, and that would be fine with me.

Allow absentee ballots

Yepsen notes that Maine allows absentee ballots for the caucuses. This would enfranchise people who are housebound or cannot get off work on caucuse night.

Yepsen says absentee ballot voters would not be able to realign if their first choice were not viable, but I don't see why we couldn't have absentee ballots that allow voters to mark a first, second and third choice. These voters could be realigned in absentia.

Pick a new day or time

Again, I agree with Yepsen: it would be preferable to hold the Iowa caucuses on a Saturday night after sunset, which would reduce the number of people who can't come because of work obligations.

Ban same-day registration

Yepsen thinks that "Allowing someone to just show up, claim residence in the precinct and participate is an invitation to fraud."

He would like to see new registrations cut off a week or two before the caucuses, so that the precinct organizers would have an up-to-date list of who was eligible to participate.

I am not sure what I think about this idea. In principle, I support same-day registration, and while I think some people did fraudulently caucus in January, I am not convinced that their numbers were high enough to justify doing away with same-day registration.

Set national standards

Yepsen would like to see consistent rules about whether independents and crossover voters are eligible to caucus, or whether caucus-goers have to be members of the party in question.

There are good arguments on both sides of this question. In theory, it would be nice to have one set of rules across the country, but I don't think courts would uphold that reform. There are longstanding precedents in election law allowing states to set their own rules for primaries. If state parties sued to retain their right to set rules for caucuses, I suspect they would be successful.

I do agree with Yepsen that "the parties need to consider uniform caucus tabulation systems, appeals processes and criminal penalties for falsifying caucus results, just as it is a crime to falsify primary-election results."

Speaking of reforming the Iowa caucus system, here are two changes I would like to see that Yepsen did not mention:

Abolish the 15 percent threshold for viability at the precinct level

As I mentioned earlier, the Iowa Republican caucuses are basically a straw poll conducted by secret ballot. The Iowa Democratic Party has caucus-goers divide into preference groups and count. Only candidates supported by at least 15 percent of the people in the room are considered "viable." There is a realignment period, during which people can switch to a different candidate. The second and final count at a precinct caucus determines the number of county delegates awarded to each candidate. Then, the county delegate totals for each candidate are translated into the number of state delegates we would expect each candidate to win.

The viability threshold is fundamentally unfair. Why should my vote count toward the candidate of my choice only if at least 15 percent of my politically-active neighbors agree with me?

Disparities in turnout at the precinct level and the number of county delegates awarded to each precinct introduce other types of distortion.

My precinct awarded six Polk County delegates and had 293 caucus-goers. Another suburban precinct had about 425 caucus-goers and awarded seven county delegates. It took 44 supporters in my precinct to get one Polk County delegate, but in my friend's precinct, a candidate needed 64 supporters to be viable.

A different suburban precinct had almost as many caucus-goers as mine (about 275), but awarded only four county delegates instead of the six delegates assigned to my precinct.

One Des Moines precinct had about 210 caucus-goers and awarded three delegates. More than half the attendees were in the Obama group. However, Clinton and Edwards were both viable (with the support of at least 15 percent of the people in the room). So, Obama, Clinton and Edwards each got one county delegate from that precinct.

I would rather see everyone's vote count the same at a caucus. Precincts would still elect delegates to county conventions, as the Iowa Republicans do, but the reported results would be the raw numbers of supporters for each presidential candidate. In the previous example I described, Obama would still get credit for having more supporters in the room, even if he didn't win more county delegates than Clinton or Edwards.

If the Iowa Democratic Party is unwilling to do away with the 15 percent threshold, and unwilling to stop reporting the results in terms of state delegate equivalents, I propose a different reform:

Prohibit supporters of viable candidates from realigning

The Nevada Democratic Party adopted a caucus rule stating that only supporters of non-viable candidates, or those who caucused as "uncommitted" during the first division into preference groups, are allowed to realign.

That would greatly reduce the kind of gamesmanship I described in this diary on second choices and caucus math. I'll give you two examples that occurred this past January. In a Clive precinct that awarded five delegates, it appeared at the first count that Obama would receive 2, Edwards 2, and Clinton 1. The Obama and Clinton precinct captains "donated" enough people to make Bill Richardson viable, so that the delegates went 2 for Obama and 1 each for Edwards, Clinton and Richardson.

In a Waukee precinct that awarded four delegates, more than half of the people stood in the Obama corner. Clinton and Edwards were also viable, and those groups sent enough supporters to the Richardson group to make him viable. That meant that Obama, Clinton, Edwards and Richardson each got 1 delegate from the precinct. A friend and first-time caucus-goer who was in the Obama group at that precinct was still visibly angry when she told me the story a week later.

If the Iowa Democratic Party adopted this reform, there would still some room for gamesmanship. A precinct captain could ask some supporters to caucus as "uncommitted" at first, creating the opportunity to move them to another group. However, I believe the Nevada rules would make it more difficult to pull this off. It shouldn't be easy to deprive a rival of a delegate by moving some of your supporters to a third candidate.

Reforming our nominating process will require much more than tinkering with the caucus system. Perhaps other states should get to go first, although I would hope that the early nominating contests would always be in small states.

I would also like to see other changes, so that a candidate could not lose the popular vote in a state but win more delegates there.

In addition, I believe it was wrong for Obama to emerge from some low-turnout caucuses with as large a net delegate advantage as Hillary won in the Ohio primary blowout.

Something needs to be done so that a few thousand caucus-goers in a small state don't wield as much influence over the presidential selection as hundreds of thousands of primary voters in a large state.

How would you like to change the caucus system or the nominating process?



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Democracy at it's essence (none / 0)

If we're being so deferential to New Hampshire, let Iowa pass a law stating they must be the 2nd Primary held in the nation.

I understand the American historical tradition but . . . The foundation of democracy is the SECRET BALLOT and one person-one vote.  

Wherever in this world, including plenty of banana republic autocratic places, where you have something other than secret ballot, you find coercion, intimidation if not something much worse.

If that's the case and you want a truly democratic, uninhibited vote then you are looking at  . . . the Primary type.


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by wasanyonehurt on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:26:57 PM EST

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Um, Iowa doesn't DESERVE to hold the first primary anyway. No one deserves it. It should rotate.

I've lived here for the past 2 years and it's only made me more certain of it.


by MNPundit on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:31:43 PM EST

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Hey desmoinesdem!

One reason I'm running for the DC Democratic State Committee (the election is this Tuesday, Sept. 9) is to have a voice in reforming this process.  I favor an open primary or a firehouse caucus system like that used in Michigan in years past.

There are great aspects to the Iowa Caucus but in my mind it all comes down to participation and there is much more participation in a primary.  If I was "in charge" I'd let Iowa keep its place but ONLY Iowa would have a caucus.  The system WAS SORT OF EXTENDED TO nEVADA THIS YEAR AND IT WAS A FLOP IN THE sILVER STATE.  


by howardpark on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:48:48 PM EST

Re: Reform the caucus system (none / 0)

Nope, get rid of the duopoly of NH and Iowa.  Rotate with regional primaries or something else that is fairer and still maintains retail politics.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:08:21 PM EST
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Re: The problem is (none / 0)

Well, gee, there are some other important swing states, with say, many more EC votes that might want that "first in the nation" regional primary.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM EST
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good luck to you! (none / 0)

I agree, the system should make it easy for large numbers of people to participate.

What do you think of open vs. closed primaries?


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:56:50 PM EST
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Re: good luck to you! (none / 0)

I tend towards closed because I believe that there is an element of the other Party gaming the system and think that most "Independents" vote with one Party (lean and vote mainly Dem or lean and vote mainly Rep) so, there is no solid reason to be indie for most. Plus, Democrats should be electing their nominee and so should Republicans.  

I understand that this could lead to a candidate that is too left or too right.  So, may be in some states that have a history of "good elections", like NH, it could be an open Primary, but in others, where "shenanigans" are known, like Texas, closed.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:39:59 PM EST
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In addition, I believe it was wrong for Obama to emerge from some low-turnout caucuses with as large a net delegate advantage as Hillary won in the Ohio primary blowout.

And I believe it was wrong that Puerto Rico, a territory that does not vote in the general elections and doesn't even really HAVE a democratic party, got more delegates than at least a dozen states....

But the system is what it is...


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by LordMike on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:52:27 PM EST

"the system is what it is"? (2.00 / 2)

I disagree--the system can and should be changed.

Reducing the number of superdelegates or eliminating them should also be considered. However, if we are going to rely solely on pledged delegates, we need to be sure that they are awarded fairly.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:59:31 PM EST
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Re: "the system is what it is"? (none / 0)

Agree with all your points.  My vote is to rid the Party of the SDs, get rid of caucuses and fix the delegate count to reflect the vote received (no weighing so some groups get more delegates than others, that is too Animal Farm) and the population of the state.  Let Puerto Rico and the territories vote in the GE.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:11:33 PM EST
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Re: The territories (none / 0)

Well, first, I would argue that it should be no different then the states since a constitutional amendment would be needed to allow the vote in the territories, like when Washington, D.C. got the vote.  Let's also allow real representation for D.C. a Congress person and two Senators.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:25:18 PM EST
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Re: I would amend LordMike's comment (none / 0)

You sure the delegate wasn't a closet Obama supporter? snark.
Yep, caucuses undemocratic, unrepresentative and much more open to fraud and bullying.  Once I learned about caucuses, totally opposed them.
by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:17:26 PM EST
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Re: "the system is what it is"? (none / 0)

The really needed reform: END DNC MEMBERS AS SUPERDELEGATES, those should only be Governors & US Senators,


by howardpark on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:36:19 PM EST
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Re: "the system is what it is"? (none / 0)

I would get rid of all SDs.  The Republicans seem to do fine without them.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:47:52 PM EST
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true, if HRC had won the caucuses (none / 0)

Obama supporters would be the ones arguing how awful and undemocratic caucuses are, and Clinton supporters would be defending them in the nominating process.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:40:06 PM EST
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Re: true, if HRC had won the caucuses (none / 0)

Not true.  I found out about Iowa caucus while working on the Dean campaign and hated them ever since.  And Dean did better in caucuses (I know not really well in either) than in primaries.

I felt that they were undemocratic, unrepresentative and more prone to manipulation, fraud and bullying than primaries.  Caucuses favor those with strong personalities and definitely, disfavor introverts. Plus, the Iowa caucus and others, there is no secret ballot - that with the jockeying for votes, is very intimidating for a lot of voters.


by anya109 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:46:25 PM EST
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Re: Reform the caucus system (2.00 / 1)

no more caucuses, no super delegates, put all the states into 4-5 groups, not organized by region.  


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by Doug Tuttle on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:08:00 PM EST

Re: Reform the caucus system (2.00 / 1)

they all need to be reformed and turned into primaries.  They are not democratic.  Let some people turn in their ballots and meet to talk, but let the votes be in secret, last all day and be possible by absentee.  


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by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:28:53 PM EST

Watch Sarah on C-Span in Feb 08 (none / 0)

themoderatevoice.com has a front page story on an interview she did with c-span in February.  She's seems very knowledgeable and well spoken.  I absolutely disagree with her politics, but finally saw what we're up against.


by ktmnyny on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:33:30 PM EST

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This discussion is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.  Any discussion of reforming the caucus system needs to go back to what purposes caucuses are supposed to serve and not just tweak a broken system.  Are caucuses supposed to represent the candidate preferences of Democrats on a one person = one vote basis?  How can a caucus / convention attended by tens, hundreds or thousands of people not waste hours conducting basic business including taking attendance, enumerating preferences for candidates, and selecting delegates to higher level conventions?  If primary elections are used to allocate 100% of delegates (as they should be), how will delegates be selected for the various conventions beyond the precinct caucus?  How does a caucus / convention that purports to be a democratic meeting (the process and not the political party) actually enable rank and file Democrats to  influence the Democrat Party at any level?


by bdungan on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:45:28 PM EST

Go 1 Step Futher!! (none / 0)

This is long... over due.  Not only would I propose a ban on caucuses Nation wide, but I would also instill a new way of voting that would do away with SUPER TUESDAY.  Instead have each region of the country vote in regions.  Starting with the North East, South, Mid-East, Mid-West, Mountain West, South-West, and finally concluding with the West coast.  Each primary would be held every other week starting the first Tuesday in January. Concluding at the end of February.  What do you guys think?


by nzubechukwu on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:47:32 PM EST

that's way too compressed (none / 0)

I think a long primary season isn't a bad thing--it gives people time to get to know the candidates and time for a longshot to raise significant money if he or she gets a few early wins.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:55:40 PM EST
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Courageous Diary (none / 0)

Courageous diary, demoinesdem!

I just hope the powers that be (the DNC and the RNC) listen to us!

Question: do all the early primaries have to necessarily coincide for both parties, or is that by tradition/design?

I mean can't we have an early primary in Illinois for the Dems and one in California for the Republicans?

Or is it the least expensive for states if both all parties have their presidential primaries at the same time? I think I just answered my own question!

The calendar should rotate because the draconian grip IA and NH have on the nominating process almost tramples on the American definition of liberty and democracy.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:55:34 PM EST

Primaries cost a lot of money (none / 0)

I doubt a state would be keen on bearing the expense twice in one year, and then once more for the GE.


by JJE on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:26:35 AM EST
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I've always contested that caucuses, while intended to involve people people in neigborhoods often are exclusionary to those voters who are less informed [which usually happen to be minorities and the poor], those who work two jobs, the elderly, and single parents. I definitely think there should be some kind of reform to make them easier to understand and easier to attend. or more specifically in TX [2/3 vote 1/3 caucus], just an all out removal of the caucus system. theres no sense in casting your vote twice. just more work and a dillution of the true will of voters. 1 vote should equal one vote. The system TX has is insane, I dont care who set it up, it sucks.

I agree that there should be some kind of realistic tally of actual caucus goers. otherwise the results aren't clear. Absentee voting: of course. Secret ballots: yes. The way delegates are weighted is also problematic.


by alyssa chaos on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:09:05 PM EST

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Actually, I like the Texas model, although I'm sure it could be made less complex.

It isn't giving voters two votes.  Instead, I see a dual system as measuring two different aspects of voter preferences.  Primaries measure the breadth of a candidate's support in a state, while caucuses measure the intensity of that support.

Breadth measures a candidates general appeal, especially to those so called "low information voters."  Caucuses, in measuring voter intensity, measures how enthusiastic a candidate's supporters are - by requiring a greater commitment from supporters, caucuses help to determine just how enthusiastic supporters are of a candidate.  This is important, because these are the supporters that'll do all the heavy lifting (canvassing, phone banking, GOTV drives) during the general.

Primaries, because they don't require very much from voters (just a pull a lever or push a button), aren't necessarily good indicators of the depth of a candidate's appeal and popularity.  


by ProfessorReo on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:24:13 PM EST
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If we elected officials based on the "intensity" of a candidate's appeal versus how many VOTES a candidate gets, then I might agree with you.

"Depth of a candidate's appeal" in a caucus situation is subjective - who's supporters can persevere, coerce the most or shout the loudest?

We don't need a caucus as the TEST for organizational/analytical/technical whatever skills or attributes we'd love to see in our president.  We don't give our candidates tests for qualification (though it certainly would have prevented a Bush/Cheney).  Highest score on the PAT (presidential aptitude test) wins the state.

Moreover, I think Obama's proven that a forward-thinking internet strategy obviates the Caucus as the sole tool for a newcomer to obtain early support.

Even a representative democracy is ultimately a democracy which is one person-one vote or a Primary.


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by wasanyonehurt on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:59:10 PM EST
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Re: Reform the caucus system (none / 0)

you make good points but I still feel like caucuses put select groups of people at a disadvantage, who otherwise are able to vote regularly.

what's the point of building a network of people [i thought thats what cauces were about] if its not easily accessible or readily understood.

Voting shouldn't be a tedious, complicated and time consuming matter.


by alyssa chaos on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:18:29 AM EST
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Re: Reform the caucus system (2.00 / 1)

In my view, the mix of caucuses and primaries, in a proportional delegate system, is a very good way of "vetting" the presidential candidates.  That's because caucuses and primaries test different skills of the candidates.  Caucuses test the organizational strengths of candidates and their appeal among the party base.  Primaries test the financial resources, the campaign's messaging, and support among party leaders in the state (governor, mayors, etc.).  

Caucuses also give insurgent candidates a real chance, since they provide opportunities for lesser known and/or less well financed candidates to be able to challenge more established candidates.  Caucuses helped fuel Howard Dean's 2004 bit, and of course, they were instrumental in Obama's close victory over Clinton.

This year, the dual caucus-primary system, I'd argue, actually worked effectively to differentiate between two basically equally matched candidates, Obama and Clinton.  Obama's well run campaign and his organizational strengths were key to his winning every caucus but Nevada, while he and Clinton more or less were tied in the primaries.  The caucuses were a tie-breaker of sorts between two very strong candidates.  

If I had to reform the primary system, I definitely agree about getting rid of the superdelegates.  

I'd keep both caucuses and primaries, and perhaps create a schedule in which all the caucuses are held before the primaries.  That way, all candidates would have to take caucuses seriously, and develop the organizational skills necessary to do well in them.  

Frontloading caucuses also ensures that the mostly small states using caucuses are guaranteed a say in the process.  And since caucuses don't involve a lot of delegates, winning the caucuses give a candidate a good start, but would still allow other strong candidates a shot to win in the primaries, as long as they stay reasonably close to the front-runner during the caucuses.  

If the front-loaded system had been in place this year, in all likelihood, Obama would have won most of the caucuses, but the delegate margin would have been closer, since Clinton would have campaigned more vigorously and done better in some of the caucuses.  

But, what Obama would have gained is greater name recognition before the big primaries began.  Obama actually won California, if you counted the votes cast on election day.  He lost, however, because of early voting, where Clinton had a huge advantage.  


by ProfessorReo on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:13:04 PM EST

Re: Reform the caucus system (1.00 / 1)

And we are in a neck and neck race for what should have been a sure thing with a candidate who's real positions most of us don't know because of it.


by dtaylor2 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:36:16 PM EST
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Re: Reform the caucus system (none / 0)

Which of the people complaining about caucuses at this point are not former supporters of HRC?

Of the HRC supporters, how many objected to caucuses before the 2008 primary process began?

I went to Iowa for Bill Bradley in 2000. I didn't like that the Iowa caucus had such low participating, although this seems to have improved in 2004 and 2008.

I also didn't like that insiders controlled the caucus process, e.g. government employees and unions. It didn't seem like independent voices got much of a say, because the establishment people were more experienced and better organized.

BTW, are the former HRC supporters proposing all reforms that would have helped HRC in hindsight? Which of these reforms did team Clinton push when they controlled the Democratic Party?


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by Carl Nyberg on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:57:58 PM EST

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Caucuses are exclusionary and anti-democratic.  Caucuses attract party activists (like folks who post on blogs like this), but are inhospitable to everyone else.

There is nothing democratic about caucuses and they should be eliminated ASAP.

Whether Clinton supporters pushed for these reforms earlier or later  is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand.  The system is either democratic or not.  


by Radiowalla on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:35:29 AM EST


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