Obama's Palin Strategy

There's been some reluctance on the part of Team Obama to hit Palin but it looks like they've settled on a strategy that mirrors their strategy against Clinton in the primary; not that she's a Washington insider but that she's a typical (and "skilled") politician, representing the same old same old politics.

On Thursday, David Axelrod launched the first shot in his response to Palin's speech:

"We respect her. She's a skilled politician, as she proved last night. She's deft at going on the attack," Axelrod told reporters here before taking off for Harrisburg Thursday morning. "For someone who makes the point that she's not from Washington, she looked very much like she'd fit in very well there when you see how she brings these attacks, they all felt very familiar to Americans who are used to this kind of thing from Washington."

Axelrod argued that "there wasn't one thing that she [Palin] said about Obama or what he's proposing that's true" and talked specifically about the Illinois senator's plans for tax cuts. He said Obama's tax cuts would benefit more people than McCain's proposals.

Yesterday, Barack Obama himself ratcheted up the message against Palin, specifically on the subject of earmarks:

"Don't be fooled," Obama told the crowd surrounding him in a large barn. "John McCain's party, with the help of John McCain, has been in charge" for nearly eight years.

"I know the governor of Alaska has been saying she's change, and that's great," Obama said. "She's a skillful politician. But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up."

Glad to see they're making her the focus of some of the attacks.

Update [2008-9-7 13:47:40 by Josh Orton]: And today on Meet the Press, Biden called on Palin to finally come out of hiding:

Joe Biden is accusing the McCain campaign of sequestering Sarah Palin, his counterpart on the Republican ticket, and challenged her Sunday to sit for network interviews.

“She's a smart, tough politician,” Biden told Tom Brokaw in a “Meet the Press” interview live from Wilmington, Del. “So I think she's going to be formidable. Eventually, she's going to have to sit in front of you like I'm doing and have done. Eventually, she's going to have to answer questions and not be sequestered. Eventually, she's going to have to answer on the record.”



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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 1)

This is a good strategy.

I also read they'll be ratcheting up the female surrogates on the trail.

Did anyone see Napolitono outside of McCain's speech in NM yesterday?  She said..

"You know the difference between Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin?  -- Lipstick!"

Brilliant!


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:39:17 PM EST

Throw those punches! (none / 0)

I'm glad to be seeing something, but I still feel like we need to be prepared to strike first, to act, not react.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:53:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

"You know the difference between Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin? -- Lipstick!" I.LOVE.THAT (in caps!)
Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:04:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

The Palin problem is more primal and difficult then we know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtUNNyc9 G4


by oliver777 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:39:45 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Thank you for your persistent negativity.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:42:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

What did you expect? This is the liberal blogosphere after all.


by spirowasright on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:48:36 PM EST
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oliver is a McCain supporter (none / 0)

He may be richmond with a different name; though I'll concede that he has reason to celebrate.  Tell me if you thought that last Thursday, you thought we would see McCain up three in gallup (he'll be likely up more tomorrow and possibly hit 50%) and tied in Rasmussen in just over a week.  I would have thought you were under heavy intoxication if you made that claim.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:51:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 2)

One of the reasons why I question whether I am a Democrat is the persistent whimp factor amongst some of us. I agree on just about every issue with a  lot of my party. But then i see all these damn chicken littles, and it's like- are we of the same beliefs or not? Right now, during the expected GOP bounce mccain is up in Gallup and tied in Rammusen- the chicken littles are probably going into panick mode rather than keeping the numbers in perspective. Its exhausting. So my advice is to start ignoring them. Realize they are pretty much like most Americans these days. Guided by fear rather than courage.


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:57:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 1)

Except he's not a Democrat - he's a chaos/concern troll that the management won't ban for reasons that I don't understand.


by auronrenouille on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:06:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Not a very smart move by Obama to open up an attack on earmarks, I expect McCain to hammer him on it.

On Biden and the blowhards in the media, he's only reinforcing the meme by making it look like he's on their side too.

Overall, much to not like in the last few days.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:51:05 PM EST

I think Obama is making a (none / 0)

hypocrisy argument because she and McCain and portraying themselves as completely anti-earmarks when in reality, they are only anti-some earmarks.  Obama, as far as I know, is not anti-earmarks but pro-earmark transparency.

As a pro-earmark guy in the Robert Byrd tradition, this earmarks demagoguing pisses me off but I do agree with you that Obama could be a lot clearer with his criticism; he should make it clearer that it's the hypocrisy, not the earmarks themselves, that he is criticizing.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:53:40 PM EST
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Re: I think Obama is making a (2.00 / 1)

Well, that's the problem, McCain actually is anti-earmark, one of only a handful of Senators that actually is. If that's the terrain Obama is choosing, its quicksand to bring it up, and then be on the pro side, against McCain arguing against it.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:01:17 PM EST
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Wrong Jerome (none / 0)

McCain is anti-some earmarks, not all earmarks.  He walked back immediately from his anti-all earmarks stance when he learned that his definition of earmark would include aid to Israel and hospitals.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:03:18 PM EST
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You actually think when people vote (none / 0)

this year they will be thinking of Obama or McCain's position on earmarks??

Obama is simply attacking their "reformer" creds, which he should be doing. This is mainly a process issue, which voters don't really care about.

The right-wing doesn't love Sarah Palin for her record they love her for her ideology. They don't give a piss about her serious incompetence and lack of accomplishments. These are the people that still like Bush.


by Lolis on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:35:17 PM EST
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Re: You actually think when people vote (2.00 / 1)

No, not position, but their record. I agree its not a top issue, but I don't see how Obama taking on Palin for something helps him, when McCain can turn around and drop a hammer on him for doing that same thing to (because McCain doesn't).

This seems like something too, that the traditional media actually would take McCain's side as well-- maybe saying, 'yes Palin and Obama both have earmarks but look at clean McCain'...


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:41:04 PM EST
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Re: I think Obama is making a (none / 0)

It will be so easy to win that argument if we are disciplined.  We need to ask McCain how much he will save cutting earmarks but continuing our current foreign policy - if you're going to sing "bomb Iran" and get all Rambo with Russia, you like all the neo-cons before you will have to maintain or ratchet up the military budget, continuing the GOP legacy of deficit-spending.  Obama can just point out that cutting out ear-marks, as nice as it sounds, won't really help our economy and it will just mean less money for the small towns McCain loves (ones like Wasilla) will get less help for their infrastructure.

Unfortunately right now the GOP seems to be Tefflon when it comes to the hypocrisy front.  The "reform" argument from McCain and Co. is such a load of BS, I don't know how people are buying it.  I can only believe it won't stick.

And lastly, I think we can learn one thing from the GOP.  We need to not freak out everytime we get down in the polls.  Obama was up by more than McCain is and HAS broken the 50% mark.  He has been up for longer too.  So we need to keep fighting, but when we get in to full scale concern-troll mode, we don't help our cause.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:40:51 PM EST
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Re: I think Obama is making a (none / 0)

I agree on the notion that this is poll movement, yea, but McCain looks, at least from the single day in the tracking polls of yesterday (51 in Ras and 50 in Gallup) that he could be heading there too. Remember, we didn't see the bulk of Obama's bounce until about 4 days after the DNCC convention was over, and that looks like (based on the past 2 days now 3 days away) that it could be the same for McCain.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:44:49 PM EST
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Re: I think Obama is making a (none / 0)

True enough, but remember that Obama had a lot of things stepping on his bounce. There was the Palin announcement followed by a three-day weekend. So, I'm not sure that we can expect the same delay/muffling to apply to McCain's bounce.


by noop on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 04:55:29 PM EST
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It was honestly expected though.  There's no doubt Palin is the reason for his bounce, but I can't imagine excitement over a VP candidate carrying over for 2 months.

I am hoping people will discover this whole "reform" message they keep touting is just a bunch of hot air, but it's ultimately up to Obama to define the narrative of the campaign.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:55:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 1)

I don't think that is conclusive. Palin is the reason for his strong favorables going up, and his base strengthening, but the bounce looks to be very much a factor of McCain speaking.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:02:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

You're kidding, right?  Palin's speech was a hit amongst rednecks everywhere but did anyone like McCain's speech?  Anyone?


by auronrenouille on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:10:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

I'm just going by the tracking polls, you could argue that the Palin bounce was delayed.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:13:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

The bounce was about McCain not just because of tracking, bu tin polling of what Americans say they use as their criteria to pick Presidents. Most people were not influenced by Palin either way. This is why the frame of attack , while red meat for the two bases, is incredibly short sighted. The focus should be on McCain.


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:15:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 2)

It's like Presidential debates, in the end you don't win on points. Did anyone think McCain gave a great performance? No. Did the speech do what it was intended to do (i.e. contrast with Obama's celebrity and present McCain as a plain, humble servant of the people)? Yes.


by souvarine on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:17:11 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 2)

I don't know if you saw Nate's historical look at VP fav/unfav (here), but Palin's actually not really out of the norm beyond the fact that her unfavorables are historically high.

For all the hemming and hawing about how 'mean' the blogs were - they accomplish one thing.

They gave her a historically high unfavorable impression in her rollout.   For all the base pumping she does, I have a lot more faith in that unfavorable number seeping into the indie and moderate vote than I do the favorable.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:18:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

It seems clear at this point that much of America didn't see the same things we see from the Republican speeches. While we saw an empty, sarcastic jerk in Palin, America saw its earnest new pal. We saw a tired, flat old man in McCain, but more viewers apparently saw a straight-shootin', straight-talkin' fella they could trust with the keys to the family nuclear arsenal. Disheartening, but it's reality. Did anyone really expect that the GOP would fail to seriously contest this election along culture war lines, or that big chunks of the electorate would be eager to go for it again?

All that said, it's easy to let daily tracking polls drive us to distraction. Bounces usually fade, and we have 8,000 excruciating days of campaigning to grind through yet. If McCain is still up like this a week and a half from now, and the state polls start to show serious erosion, then I'll commence hyperventilating.


by Cole Moore Odell on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:20:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

But Obama isn't running on a bogus earmark platform. McCain is. Barack Obama is running on change against the Republicans and Bush administration.

This reform argument has to be smacked down because they are lying.


by sweet potato pie on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 01:55:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

I went on a bit of googling, to see some more background on McCain and earmarks, to see if it is bogus.

Here's the 'best I could find:
http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/04/mccai n_myth_bus_43.php

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/06/mcca in-earmark/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18 /mccain-voted-for-earmark_n_119651.html

And this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/03/earmark_nation.html

Look, there are a few places where it looks like McCain can be questioned as to his claim that he doesn't do earmarks, but those are Israel, and the military.

I'm willing to be surprised to see this works, but I woundn't bet on it.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:12:13 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

I don't think they should go there...

That would be perceived as going after his support of Israel.  The Picking of Palin puts more Jewish voters into play than before.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:14:20 PM EST
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That's what I responded to you (none / 0)

with in my previous post; by the way Jerome, I'm now in agreement that Obama in retrospect should have jumped on HRC's idea to use the windfall profits tax for a summer gas tax holiday.  McCain would have opposed it and we could have used gas prices as a wedge issue against the pubs and high oil company profits at the start of the summer.  Sure it's pandering but it seemed to work for McCain and drilling as it kept him close during the summer.

Opposing HRC on the holiday was good for him at the time as it brought back the indies that left him in PA and kept him within two points of her in IN the same week that Jeremiah Wright re-emerged.  Though I agree with Obama on the holiday, I can see your thinking was in O'Reilly's words "perspicacious" (sp?).


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:16:53 PM EST
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Re: That's what I responded to you (2.00 / 1)

yea, it was a brilliant 'right down the middle' wedge by Clinton (that could easily be used against McCain as I pointed out then). Obama's position only worked against Clinton, but doesn't put McCain on the defensive (as you point out).  

You can't totally blame the Obama team for saying 'we'll worry about that later' but things like this lose inches-- and not letting MI have a do-over really seems to have been a big mistake in hindsight.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:24:40 PM EST
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Yup, it's starting to look (none / 0)

like a game of inches at this point or a basketball game in the final three minutes where every loose ball needs to be grabbed.  However, what you did prior to those three minutes has an impact on whether you can grab those loose balls (e.g. getting yourself in foul trouble may be preventing from going after a loose ball in fear of getting a foul).

Imagine after HRC conceded in June if Obama had convinced Reid and company to put up for vote a gas tax holiday to be paid for by windfall profits tax on oil companies at a time when gas prices were closing in on five dollars a gallon of gas.  McCain would have opposed it and relied upon an explanation that he didn't want to tax oil companies.  It would have been the perfect wedge issue against McCain in retrospect.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:30:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Speaking of reinforcing memes, does Karl Rove now get a royalty check anytime somebody puts "Biden" and "blowhard" in the same sentence?


by Cole Moore Odell on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:03:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Funny.
Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:06:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

The 'blowhard' remark refers to the media, I guess you missed that part.

But... you will get a MyDD "truther bonus" everytime you put Biden and MBNA together.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:16:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Believe it or not, Jerome, I got that you were specifically referring to the media, but the effect of your sentence is to lump them together as blowhards.


by Cole Moore Odell on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:26:16 PM EST
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Leave Sarah alone! (none / 0)


by JJE on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:06:15 PM EST
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Hey Jerome! (none / 0)

The wife and I are curious -- why do you still have a delegate counter on the front page of your site?


by jere7my on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:39:03 PM EST
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flailing (2.00 / 1)

I don't think they've figured out the right tack yet. We've gone from Bill Burton's "John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency" to sitting back to Obama personally taking Palin on.

It is wise to give Palin her due, the bimbo tactic and the "what was McCain thinking, did he vet her?" was unbelievably stupid. Sitting back wasn't really an option either, Palin is too effective an attack dog. The "McCain is being overshadowed" line was obviously projection. But I think Obama personally taking her on is misdirected, it makes him look more partisan and gives McCain room to appear to be the conciliator. Attacking is probably irresistible for Obama, he loves the cut and thrust but McCain is not giving him a target.

Palin is very effective as a foil for Obama, he has to figure out how to change that dynamic and get the focus back to McCain.


by souvarine on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:06:15 PM EST

Re: flailing (2.00 / 1)

I get a feeling they know what they are doing.

They know there is nothing they can do that would instantaneously put the ball back in McCain's court, so they are slowly starting to trickle concerns (read: truth) about her.  It needs to come mostly from Biden and other surrogates though, Obama needs to just touch on her a little bit and let the rest of the team do the rest.  


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:11:51 PM EST
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Re: flailing (2.00 / 1)

I hope so, but this report from Politico of Obama's Stephanopoulos interview suggests that he is of two minds about how to take her on:

In an electric interview, Obama suggested again and again that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, McCain's running mate, is unprepared for the job. At one point, he mocked her camp's suggestion that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign-policy credentials: "Well, look. You know, I actually knew that Russia was next to Alaska, as well. I saw it on a map."

"It's not a qualification?" Stephanopoulos press.

"I don't think it is," Obama replied.

But Obama's team recognizes that picking a fight over experience isn't necessarily in Obama's interest, and he acknowledged as much in the interview: "You know, this whole résumé contest that's been going back and forth is not what the American people are looking for."

Politico may be misrepresenting the interview, but I see a lot of Obama attacking Palin with little coherence. I supported Hillary in the primary and may not be representative, but I think that experience is a weak point for Obama, and comparisons to Palin hurt him more than her. And I think McCain effectively saying "Let's you and her fight" works for McCain.


by souvarine on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:35:54 PM EST
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Re: flailing (none / 0)

I think this new frame works a bit , but still must be pivoted as you describe. You must say "Palin is a skilled politician, but I would like to talk about the top of the ticket- John McCain."


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:12:03 PM EST
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Re: flailing (none / 0)

You think that's enough?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:17:47 PM EST
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Re: flailing (none / 0)

Attacking her honesty is the best bet. That's what the earmark thing was about. It wasn't about McCain's earmark record. It's about Palin supposed rejection of earmarks.

There's a record of Palin completely lying about the Bridge to Nowhere, earmarks, Troopergate. Make it about her character: she does not tell the truth.

At the same time remind Democrats of how extremist right wing she is.

This will pull Democrats back and keep Independents from going to McCain.

And that will win it for Obama in the end.


by elrod on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:28:14 PM EST
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Re: flailing (none / 0)

I think the earmark is a minor issue. Its one of those things that is hinting at the point, but not making it.


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:37:56 PM EST
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Re: flailing (none / 0)

Honestly, no not really. It would be a start. I simply don't think the approach right now of the A list bloggers- to turn this into a referendum on Palin- is smart. She's red meat for the Dems as well as the GOP base. But people aren't going to vote on her.

It has to be framed as a message about Mccain=Bush. Or, the next level- McCain=Bush=failed presidency. Everything I said until Nov as negative branding would be about failed presidency. I would want people to think McCain=Failed Presidency. THis to me is the whole point of McSame. Not that McCain is just like bush, but that he will fail like bush. This is the point that needs to be made explicit rather than implicit.

Palin only value to us is that she must be plugged into that.

Just off top of my head- as a layperson, I might say " McCain is again showing how much like Bush he really is. Like the failed presidency of  Bush before him, he picked an able politician  as VP who is an extremist.  We see what kind of results that extremist has brought to the country. McCain and Palin will do the same."

I frankly would never mention Palin without mentnioning McCain and Bush along with failed presidency.


by bruh3 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:37:16 PM EST
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Except (2.00 / 1)

as I noted above --

Palin's initial unfavorables are ahistorically HIGH for a new face on the national scene.

I don't think it backfired at all.  I think they built the right narrative for Palin to fight for the next 60 days.

I completely agree that Obama should be sticking with attacking McCain - it's pointless for a Pres candidate to get into a brawl with the opposition's veep candidate... but to say helping along the rough rollout of Palin was a mistake is folly.

They built a solid unfavorable block - and given Palin's shyness with the media, I don't see how narrative alone is going to push that favorable higher while eating into the unfavorable....

That's just not the way it works.


by zonk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:23:03 PM EST
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Re: Except (none / 0)

Good post, but it also looks like her favorables are high historically too. I read it as a wash with Biden, whom is the same +17 margin, to basically reflect the times, this election, but nothing out of the ordinary (except that she has less undecideds than the others).


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:31:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

The surrogates/talking heads could start a "if she can't handle the media, how can she possibly handle the vice presidency?" thing


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:28:59 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

What that does, imo, is reinforce the already solidly established meme that the media wants Obama to win, that the media wants to hurt Palin, and that the media is on the side of the Democrats. This is a friggin tar baby we keep on punching.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:33:05 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

I agree that is reactionary and does not look good but we need to question the credibility, honesty and character of McCain and Palin. We should have been the one defining them instead they deftly defined Obama-Biden ticket as the elite, out-of-touch Washington insiders. We have done a poor job of going on the offens on day one and now we are on the defense and that does not and has never bode well for us.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:37:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

True, but I think in this case people actually want to see her answer some questions.


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:38:15 PM EST
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Eventually?? (none / 0)

you call that calling out? It is more like an observation when he should have been attacking Biden has spoken about the "issues" but he is not doing what his main job is...attacking, going on the offense and defining McCain and Palin and questioning their credibility. I hate to break it but the VP is supposed to be the bad guy, the nasty guy who is not afraid to speak his mind and whom the opposition is supposed to hate. Right now that job is being done very well by Sarah Palin, while Biden is proving ineffectual. We are on the defensive and unless we can get out of this high-minded crap we will lose. There is a reason while Begala and Carville are pleading people to attack. They know how to win a presidential race and whenever we have done the high minded defensive thing like Gore or Kerry we lost.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:34:25 PM EST

That's the danger though (none / 0)

with "do no-harm" VP candidates; they have trouble getting any media attention besides when they do harm.  Biden wouldn't be able to get in the news even if he hit Palin on some of her stances.

Frankly, the only two people who would get media attention for hitting Palin on her record and her stances would be Obama and Clinton.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:44:03 PM EST
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Re: That's the danger though (none / 0)

But it is not Obama's job because he is running for president. His focus is making his case to the electorate. It is not Clinton's job because she is not on the ticket and other than a surrogate at certain venues she plays a role defined by the campaign. But IT IS BIDEN'S JOB. He is the VP. He is the one who gets to be on all the campaigns on talk shows and interviews. He should be the one with sharp elbows defining (not reacting to) the character and the lack of credibility of the Republican ticket. Till now he has been ineffectual otherwise the right wing press and the Republican campaign would be up in arms against him like we are with Sarah Palin.


by tarheel74 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:53:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

so not helpful Todd, unless you're trying to point out that this isn't the way to go.  Hillary gained in momentum and his attacks on her weren't working in the end. Now he'd behind in the polls, it's really getting scary and there is nothing skillful about Sarah.  That's not the respect she needs, they only need to not use sexist remarks and remind everyone that John is the candidate but that his first choice was someone who does not represent the dreams of Americans, but the dreams of the moral police.  

he has started speaking highly of the Bill Clinton years. He ought to speak highly of Hillary's personal ethics and her professionalism and where she stands on the issue. Forget Sarah, show that Hillary is respected.  


just say it: Medicare for All
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:43:19 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

As a conservative, I'm thrilled with this strategy, but it's an exceptionally stupid one on the part of Obama.

The top of the ticket ignores the bottom on the other side.  This is a near universal truth in Presidential campaigns.  Has McCain attacked Biden?  If he has, I've missed it.

There's a reason for this. You don't want to be seen as campaigning against the #2 spot. It's a sign of weakness. Makes you look like you know you can't campaign against the #1 spot.


by cjbreisch on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:44:27 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

Yes but  define "eventually". What..when she's VP?
After she's been spoonfed information and told exactly what to say and how to put it across?
This is bullshit. I almost can't believe that this is happening.  A running mate is picked,goes unvetted ,and  NOBODY,but NOBODY is staying on her case or the Republican case and DEMANDING that she go on air , so that at least the public can vet her?
The  Obama camp should be demanding that ,AND unrelentlessly.Anything less is absolute bullshit and  is totally unacceptable.
The  Republicans will get away with  this,because the media and the Democrats are weak and the American public is so fucking dumb that it's not true.
Before anyone calls me negative..I'm  just totally pissed off that  THEY keep lying ,cheating and doing everything that is counterproductive for the good of this country and  they get away with it.  They just fucking get awy with it.
 American is just sleepwalking.....still.
by Lodgemannered on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 04:13:22 PM EST

Palin is into Palin (none / 0)

She obviously doesn't care about her daughter.  Knew she was pregnant, no doubt hit it from MCain's supposed vetting person and has exposed her daughter to a spotlight in a vulnerable state. Know family matters is out of reach but it tells you what she is like as a person putting her own ambitions ahead of her daughter's needs.  Another example of the hypocrisy of the right wing family value voters.


by laternighter on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:11:24 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (2.00 / 1)

If Obama or Biden had gone after McCain/Palin last week, it would have changed the topics too much into personalities.  What they did, mentioning what wasw NOT said, seems to be the best way to blunt the Convention effect.  Kerry responded after the '04 GOP convention and I hate to say, it was less than exciting...first, people are tired of listening (especially to McCain) and just another speech will get lost.  Second, Palin IS THE TOPIC wether you like it or not.  She is a brand new face, photogenic, and looks very crisp and smart at first glance.  Everyone is looking her over as something not seen before...a GOP woman on THE ticket.  For the GOP it is a huge move.

But the luster is already starting to fade.  I do not believe she can handle that white hot spotlight without cracking, not because she cannot handle it, but because her ego will get in the way.  My impression is that she is a personality who would make a good celebrity, that she does love the attention.  But she is not in her safe state of Alaska...she will be in a much hotter, much more demanding NATIONAL spotlight.  She may indeed rise to the occasion, in which case the GOP pulled off a HUGE masterstroke, but that light more than likely will burn her because the one thing the American media love more than a happy ending is a falling star.

But let the Media Vet Palin.  Obama's job is to go after McCain.  Focusing on that, and I have NO doubt they will, will make the contrast of Obama/McCain very stark.  McCain will probably have to fall back on Palin covering for him, she will get more attention, it will look like it is VP Palin vs. P Obama and it will make McCain look as small as he is.  Or else they tone Palin down so she does not outshine McCain and Obama gains from that as well.

The GOP are riding a very, very dangerous tiger.


by Hammer1001 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:12:05 PM EST

Re: Obama's Palin Strategy (none / 0)

I'm not sure Biden should have called on her to do interviews. I was hoping he and Obama would leave that to the press. I am worried that there is some expectation-lowering going on right now and by challenging her to do interviews Biden feeds into that.


by democrattotheend on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:20:36 PM EST


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