Open Thread

Sorry for the light posting today. What's on your minds tonight?

Update [2008-9-6 1:28:43 by Todd Beeton]:Go, Joe!



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Biden (2.00 / 3)

Florida, Ohio and PA...


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:43:39 AM EST

Heh. I'll just start it off right. (2.00 / 2)

Other than wanting to CRUSH Sarah Qualin and the GOP?

Not much!

I haven't been this fired up....EVER!

I think she is the best thing that could of happened to us. I admit to being sleepy-eyed and kind of bored with everything. Motivated, no doubt, but not pumped up, crazy, off the wall, wanting to tear these tools apart motivated.

Oh yeah, This be on now!


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:44:46 AM EST

I hear you. (2.00 / 1)

I've hosted two houseparties this week where we start here, get our maps and head out to canvass.  I have another one on Sunday plus I'm going to help canvass in a neighboring town tomorrow.  I feel energized to work harder than ever.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:55:46 AM EST
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Re: Heh. I'll just start it off right. (none / 0)

I agree.  I haven't been this juiced up in a while.  I was one of the many who heard Palin.  I cannot believe this is even possible, but I like the GOP even less now than a week ago!

Judging by the polling I'm not the only one.  She has proven to be very polarizing.  She has positives above all the other guys on the two tickets, but that won't last long either.  Frankly, it can't once the partisans get to know a candidate.


by nintendofanboy on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:33:33 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Why are both Biden and Obama spending so much time in PA?  Did they see some bad internal polling?

Can't wait for the next Rasmussen tracking poll.  


by esconded on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:51:17 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

My guess is that it's a dry run.  This election is starting late, and they haven't had any time to campaign together.  So why not lock down a critical state, iron out the kinks, and then move on from there?

Look at how the Repubicans are dealing with the same problem: they're sending their VP pick to the mattresses.


by Jordache on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:09:50 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I didn't see a diary about this Biden speech.  Joe lets loose on McCain and Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaUDKejZ _g

Give 'em hell, Joe!


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 12:52:52 AM EST

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Wow, that's really good stuff.  


by Jordache on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:13:31 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Loved that speech. It was excellent.


by C S Strowbridge on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 07:13:48 AM EST
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Re: The Realness (none / 0)

Long over due Joe, but not to late.  I'm truly SICKENED by the fact that Palin is getting a pass from the media on her radical positions on women issues from abortion to birth control.  If the MSM really did their homework and presented her positions to the public, almost in a fact check manner, I think most American women would be appalled by her stands on major issues.  Furthermore, if the MSM really pounded home the fact that she just recently received her passport, and a month ago wasn't sure what the job of the v.p was do you think this Palin phenomenon would take hold?  And finally, the simple fact that Palin helped Obama raise 10 mill in 28 hours should be a CLEAR sign that American women are not going to let the media define Palin as the next coming of Joan of Arc or some shit.  MYDD fam, I truly in my heart believe that this election as well as many other elections of our time will not be decided by the issues.  Why you might ask?  Let me tell you. Because Dems continue to hold major polling advantages on the issue yet continue to loose elections.


by nzubechukwu on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:33:30 AM EST

Re: The Realness (none / 0)

I understand your concern and wouldn't be shocked if the Reps pull this one out either.

But look at the things that are different now, we didn't have an sort of community like we do now, with the blogs, progressive talk-radio and the think tanks and PACs.  These things were just getting off the ground in 04 (and still are), but we do have a unity of message and ability to influence the media we never had before.

For these reasons, I think her MANY indiscretions will see the light of day.  They will appear on cable TV and become part of the national consciousness.

When we get past her kid, we can get on to the real issues too.  Issues that her crocodile tears won't drown out: her Kwame Kilpatrick-esque firing of police officers over personal grudges, her banning books and her blatant lying and flipping on the Bridge to Nowhere.

Her extremism and hypocrisy on park or easy to explain, so the MSM should pick it up.  Even if they don't we have a candidate who is willing to spend on ads to get it out.

Then there is the matter of a possible affair I'm hearing about.

This might get really good, really fast!


by nintendofanboy on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:45:19 AM EST
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Re: The Realness (none / 0)

Thanks for your post.  This whole election is the biggest scam if their ever was one.  True shit.  You have one candidate that is offering a fresh slate and hope for the people of America while the incumbent party's candidate is ALLOWED to "Change" positions from Maverick, to Experience, to Maverick,  to Change, to Country First.  It's all BULL-SHIT America.  Get a fucking clue the 72 year was "broken" back in Nam and continues to play the only card that he has left.  In his acceptance speech he basically threw his party under the bus and ran over  it a couple times.  TALK ABOUT PANDERING FOLKS.  And ya know what, it might just work.


by nzubechukwu on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:16:18 AM EST
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What's heartbreaking (none / 0)

is listening to people's response to Obama's fresh face and call for change;

"What change? Who is he? He sounds arrogant. What does he think he can change?"

In the end it's becoming clear that while the American people complain and complain about wanting change, when they're offered a new start, they get scared and run right into the arms of the status quo.

The truth is, if you ask many people, they will tell you it doesn't matter who wins. That our country will always be as it is, our democracy will always survive and life will go on as it has.

I don't believe that. I did in 2004. I did believe that even if Kerry lost, life would go on, albeit it would be fairly miserable for the next four years. I truly believe the future of the country and lives of all those I love depend on November. It kills me to think that whether America continues to prosper or falls apart completely depends on whether or not voters will vote for McCain because he was a POW, or vote because they're impressed by Sarah Palin's hair, or vote because they didn't get over the primaries or don't trust a black man.

It would be so easy to just give up on America and move on. I did move to Italy, so why should I care what happens in the states? Well, my mom is still there and all my friends and it's where I was born, dammit! It's still my country. I want it to be better than it is and I want it to have a long prosperous future.

Outside the windows in our apartment, we have jardinieres with flowers in them. Outside my window, I placed an American flag there when I moved to Rome. Every morning I get up, I see it and I get a little homesick, but not for what is, but for what was or what could be.

It's heartbreaking to admit this, but in order for America to change, Americans need to suffer much worse than they do now. Do our cities need to be bombed and decimated? Do our crops need to fail? Do millions need to starve? Do 70% of the population have to live in poverty? Does unemployment have to rise to 40%? I mean, my God, what is it going to take?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:49:37 AM EST
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Re: What's heartbreaking (none / 0)

I don't believe that. I did in 2004. I did believe that even if Kerry lost, life would go on, albeit it would be fairly miserable for the next four years
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I felt the same way in 2000-totally bought Nader's 'two sides of the same coin' argument (I had a long-standing relationship with the Green Party; still do).

But by '04 it was clear. In a way (and this is taking the long view), W is the best thing to happen to the Democratic party in a loooooonng time because he's helped us refocus and find our soul again. It's an ongoing process to be sure (big differences between a Pelosi and an Obama), but I'm happy as hell it's happening.


by vadasz on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 05:16:09 AM EST
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Re: What's heartbreaking (2.00 / 1)

Same here.  I voted for Nader in 2000 (I was in Mass. at the time, so I could have voted for Bob the Builder, and it wouldn't have mattered) hoping to get the Greens to the threshold needed for matching funds in 2004.

The Nader fixation ended the second the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld rhetoric made the initial slight shift from Afghanistan / bin Laden / Taliban to Iraq.


by Dreorg on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 11:00:24 AM EST
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People don't vote on issues (none / 0)

if they did, there would be very few undecideds. They vote on other crap; wedge stuff, personality, eye of the beholder, what the MSM tells them to do. I can't tell you how many people at home told me they watched Obama's speech, but he didn't "give them specifics, he just made a great speech" meanwhile I heard specifics unlike I've ever heard from him.

As a matter of fact, even some of my friends and family who are supporting Obama are supporting him because "he speaks well" or "his kids are cute"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:07:34 AM EST
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Re: People don't vote on issues (none / 0)

nrafter it's almost like the black man must do back flips in order to win a vote.  Dont be fooled.  When  someone says Obama isn't offering specifics thats CODE for, " nah.... He's black and he's gunna have to work EXTRA hard to earn my vote." It's all bullshit yo!  Call them out.  Fucking McCain didn't offer 1 specific yesterday.


by nzubechukwu on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:21:30 AM EST
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I think that's true (none / 0)

for some people, but I think his youth and his inexperience is also what leads them to think that. It's ironic, the very people who complain that "there are too many career politicians in government" are complaining they can trust a guy's word because he's not a career politician.

As far McCain, one of my old co-workers e-mailed me to say "McCain gave specifics and I like that, I wish Obama would do that" and all I thought was "WHAT FUCKING SPEECH WERE YOU WATCHING?"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:51:45 AM EST
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Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Ok.. all you bleeding heart liberals..(like me)

For your next Party
http://imakeprojects.com/Projects/bleedi ng-heart/


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:56:30 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

Biden's got me fired up and ready to go.

I want that line to come back.  Obama needs to not just counter punch McCain's BS, but I want to hear some more inspiration in the speeches.  The contrast of styles alone would be worth it politically.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:29:44 AM EST

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great speech. I will be donating more of my money next week. I donated some this week. Time to give more.


by bruh3 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:32:09 AM EST

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Biden rocked that.


by alyssa chaos on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:36:31 AM EST

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Fantastic.  Joe was spot on and angry to boot.  I have been an Obama supporter from the very beginning but the Palin pick takes this election to a whole new level.  She is a dangerous, religious extremist with no proven intellect, experience, or sense of accountability.  If we don't win this election we may not have another one.  These lunatics want a theocracy.
by ramfar on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:38:12 AM EST

Well (none / 0)

at least then the American people will finally see the error of their ways.

I hate to say that, but a theocratic dictatorship may be the only way to save America. Anyone ever read The Handmaid's Tale? We're not that far off from that.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:57:14 AM EST
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Re: The Realness Part II (none / 0)

A wise man once told me tha,t "the American people haven't suffered enough and until they do, they will continue to vote AGAINST their interest."  I think this statement just captured the scope of this election in a nutshell.  


by nzubechukwu on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:41:45 AM EST

Re: Please read and reply: Good stuff. (none / 0)

Please! Please read this article and reply.  It captures the dilemma of the Obama campaign in a nutshell.  It also reinforces Obama's decision to campaign so hard in the western states rather than double down on the Buckeye state.  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_strategy


by nzubechukwu on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 03:12:43 AM EST

Hurricane Ike Threatens New Orleans (none / 0)

According to the NOAA, computer models has Ike entering the Gulf and strengthening into a category 4 Hurricane. The models have Ike going into the offshore oil platforms in the Gulf. New Orleans is well within the cone of uncertainty.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 03:14:15 AM EST

Re: Hurricane Ike Threatens New Orleans (none / 0)

I'm worried about landfall in the Miami area, my original home town. My 65 year old aunt lost most of her roof during Katrina in 2005. People forget Katrina hit Miami first as a minor hurricane before moving into the Gulf. Her hurricane insurance shot up so high after filing the claim with Katrina that my aunt is no longer insured, and she's extremely nervous tonight. My parents are concerned also. They were without power for more than a month after Andrew in '92.

I was rooting for northward miss of Miami but you're right, that appears to be unlikely. And if it's south that puts it smack toward the oil platforms. Gas prices could soar as a result.


by Gary Kilbride on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 04:01:58 AM EST
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Check out this great comic... (none / 0)

toles-cartoon-sept-5


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 04:34:45 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

According to Jonathan Martin, even for her brief role in doing introductions and short little rallies with the same canned lines, she's still using a teleprompter.

That ain't no good for nobody.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 05:13:47 AM EST

Re: Open Thread (none / 0)

I've given once to Obama, but I will not give again until they take on Sarah Snidely head-on.

Is it too much to ask that a statement be made that her views on major issues are dangerously ignorant?  Is the Iraq War really a "mission from God?"

Until Obama and Biden start to play hardball with this preposterous person, I'm on strike.  What are they afraid of?


by Bob H on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 08:19:27 AM EST

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

The Presidential nominee -- not the VP nominee -- sets the tone.  Sarah Palin is not that person; John McCain is.  When Democrats talk about the GOP, it should be noun, verb, McCain = Bush III.

As Paul Begala says, always attack the organ grinder -- not the monkey.


by Brad G on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 11:01:18 AM EST
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The MSM (none / 0)

spinning it successfully as "Obama attacks yet another white woman!"

Anyway, perhaps this will help;

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-UQS WkkXyD_Javq_3RKXGziFB4gD931D2F01


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 04:22:35 PM EST
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Sarah Palin's Jet (none / 0)

Not only didn't she sell it on Ebay.

Not only didn't she sell it at a profit.

But she sold it at a bargain rate to one of her campaign donors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090503722. html?referrer=digg


by Bush Bites on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 10:37:13 AM EST


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