Did this strike anyone else as odd?

At the very end of his acceptance speech, John McCain said,

Fight for what's right for our country.

Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.

Fight for our children's future.

Fight for justice and opportunity for all.

Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.

Stand up for each other; for beautiful, blessed, bountiful America.

Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. Nothing is inevitable here. We're Americans, and we never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.

Thank you, and God Bless you.

Emphasis added.

It sounded to me like McCain was urging Republicans not to resign themselves to Barack Obama's inevitable history-making victory. It was strange to hear him acknowledge that pessimism at what should have been the climax of his speech.

Am I misreading this? Is there some other apparently inevitable thing McCain wants Republicans to stand up and fight against?

UPDATE: This part of the speech was drafted poorly:

I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them. I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them. I will cut government spending. He will increase it. My tax cuts will create jobs. His tax increases will eliminate them. My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance. His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor.

The crowd kept interrupting with boos after McCain's description of what Obama would do. It came across as very negative.

These contrasts should have been flipped around so that the crowd kept interrupting McCain with applause after he compared his opponent's plans with his own ideas. You want television viewers to see the audience repeatedly cheering the nominee.



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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Could be anything really... the inevitability of an economic recession, a reference to the long-term stability of Iraq, etc.  I saw it more of just another attack on the lines of "Democrats are defeatists, and we Republicans are winners."

Just my opinion.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:11:25 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Whatever McCain said or didn't say, let's face it: Obama is in for the fight of his life. Obama isn't just going to cakewalk into the White House. The Swiftboaters are ready and waiting to be released to do their damage.

Racism is still an issue, and Republicans will make sure that the public learns again that nonwhite candidates and the minorities they represent are a burden on our economy, and the reason why they are having financial difficulties.

The poor will again vote to reelect the party of the rich, the "have-mores," as GWB put it, and we could get another four years of Bush-Cheney.


by shyboy on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:09:59 AM EST
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Hmm (none / 0)

I'm still trying to figure out why Palin's nose is so important.

Anyway, I'm not so sure about the Obama Campaign's strategy to kinda "just ignore" Sarah Palin and let the media highlight all the troubles she has going on. The media has shown that they'll retreat as soon as they get called mean names from Republicans so I don't know how nice of a strategy of relying on them to actually REPORT the news is...

I'd make mention of how inexperienced she is to be a 72 year old man's heart beat away from the presidency, the scandals she's going through, and then how FAR right she is. Looking at her you kinda just think "eh, she doesn't look so crazy"....but people need to know, especially those swing voters, just how right wing conservative she actually is.


by werd2406 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:23:06 AM EST

Re: Hmm (1.00 / 1)

I don't believe they have been 'just ignoring' Sarah Palin.  There is no need right now to hone in on her while the media is vetting her.

Once the media stops questioning her, I believe the Obama campaign will then role out Democratic Feminists to start questioning her credentials and if she actually provides a good symbol for Feminism.

Expect to see Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno (Chelsea's dad) take charge.

Before all the good Clinton-lovers attack me on the line, I noted that to remind the PUMA's about their favored candidate's (John McCain) love for Hillary.


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:44:24 AM EST
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Re: Hmm (none / 0)

The only thing with that is that it's less than 2 months till the election. Usually to get something in people's mind you have to have repetition on it, over and over again.


by werd2406 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:50:21 AM EST
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Re: Hmm (2.00 / 2)

Exactly. That's what the media is doing now.
Had Obama made the same comments about experience, corruption, teen pregnancy now, you would see a huge release of "SEXISM" from the McCain campaign. They were expecting Obama to go negative, and Palin probably already has speeches ready to counter-attack (Hillary style) in appealing to these types of voters.
The lack of attack from Obama has the McCain team scrambling right now.  It's hard to play attack the media, especially with the media (currently) standing their ground and continually asking the McCain campaign to specify the experiences of Palin (didn't you see the CNN clip, or even another more recent on?), no one seems to be able to give any concrete examples of Palin.
By keeping their target on McCain, Obama is doing a great job. In a foreign policy sense, Obama knows who the enemy is and keeps his sights on him.
There will be attacks on Palin, but it will come from somewhere where Palin will find it hard to fight back (see Hillary Clinton).
I don't doubt it, judging especially from the campaign Obama has run thus far.
Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:00:01 AM EST
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Re: Hmm (none / 0)

This is all assuming that Palin actually ever TALKS to the media ;)  kidding....somewhat


by werd2406 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:36:48 AM EST
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Chelsea's dad? (none / 0)

Did you accidentally drop a comma or are you making a ridiculous reference?


by Betsy McCall on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:20:06 AM EST
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Re: Chelsea's dad? (2.00 / 1)

John McCain once said that Chelsea was so ugly because Hillary is her mom and Janet Reno is her dad... then laughed real hard at his own joke... now PUMA's want to vote for McCain.
Go figure what I meant.
Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:15:13 AM EST
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Well it can't mean you like Hillary or Bill (none / 0)

or you never would have repeated such an offensive statement.


by Betsy McCall on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:14:09 PM EST
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Re: Well it can't mean you like Hillary or Bill (none / 0)

wrong
wrong
and purposefully misreading.
It means only 1 thing, PUMA's are hypocrites for even considering to vote for someone who actually said that.
any other reading is just trying to start a fire where there isn't one.
Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:50:01 PM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I think he is saying to Republicans to not roll over and croak.


by RandyMI on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:23:07 AM EST

Jeffrey Toobin called McCain's speech (none / 0)

the WORST speech since Jimmy Carter's 1980's speech.

Snooze...


by puma on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:46:46 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

My friend is who watched it is saying that his impression is that McCain was taken probably uncomfortable with how bloodthirsty the crowd was.  Any opinions on that?


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:20:56 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely.  I think Giuliani's comment about Barack Obama's life story only happening in America is a perfect example of the attitude of the crowd.  I truly think he said it in all sincerity, but he got instant laughter and just kinda went with it.


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by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:28:10 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Oh, Giuliani is a vicious son of a bitch.  Everyone in New York knows it.  The jury's still out on McCain: he says some pretty mean-spirited stuff "I'd rather lose a war... etc", but I'd be willing to believe that he's not into the red meat/Big & Rich Rebel Yell parts of the convention.  Or not, maybe he is a prick.

Mostly he just seems kinda slow.


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:31:33 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Giuliani IS a total piece of shit and I felt that way during his tenure as mayor.Ask  the majority of the city cops and transit workers what they thought of him.
As for McCain.. don't you believe for one second that he isn't into the red meat/Big and Rich rebel yell thing. He is just in a more subtle way.
 He has a seige mentality. Please watch this video clip "P in POW doesn't stand for President"
mHe's a  VERY angry old man waiting to take charge of the United States. I just hope and pray that the American people aren't as stupid and gullible as I think they are.
That prick shouldn't even be using metal cutlery.
by Lodgemannered on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:43:18 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I'm sorry. I neglected to include the clip

http://bravenewfilms.org/


by Lodgemannered on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:45:44 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Oh, and I CANNOT BELIEVE they did it again:

The lime green is BACK.  We've all be joking about that: "i don't suppose they'll make THAT mistake again."  People are still talking about the Republicans as if they are mad geniuses with running campaigns.  If your average political junkie can see what they're up to then they're slipping.  If the Democrats can breezily avoid their traps then they're slipping.  You're supposed to figure out what they're up to after it's already worked.

Can somebody put a tent over this circus?  Sarah Palin and Ted Stevens, provided he avoids jail, can both lobby for it - it can be a 200 million dollar tent in some uninhabited part of Alaska, I don't care.  They just need to go away.


by Jordache on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:28:13 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I think the strategy is to lock up the Irish vote.


by dMarx on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:21:08 PM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

These contrasts should have been flipped...

Very true and very insightful.


by social democrat on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:51:41 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Wow! What good observations!

All those Repub emotions were upside down! Another sign of their disconnect. What a surly bunch they were!

A little kicker that didn't get screen time; Tom DeLay attended and was treated like a hero outside the hall.

What I saw coming from both conventions was one party moving into the 21st century, and the other still mired in 1992, as if nothing ever happened after that year.

I'm starting to believe I'm a witness to a party's collapse. If the Republicans can't shake off the 20th century, they'll soon be as viable as the Whigs.


Take it easy, but take it
by banjomike on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:53:33 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Well that's what being a Republican is haha. Keeping the status quo, NEVER having the constitution mean anything other than when it did 200+ years ago, etc. The part I noticed was Sarah Palin, the FAR RIGHT WING Republican, got a HUGE reception from Republicans. That's because she epitomizes what they believe and Republicans wont stand for anything less than what fits THEIR view nearly 100% (Hell, even Romney wasn't really a darling to them because he was Mormon...never mind his policy positions, or what he might bring to the job...they didn't want him because he was MORMON....now I'm not saying Romney would've been a great choice, I'm just pointing out their easy irritability and to shun anyone who doesn't meet their criteria 100%) Sarah Palin is VERY far out of America's "mainstream" values, but Palin's view  represent many/a strong majority of Republicans. The only problem is, America is changing. So they're going to keep nominating people who only meet their criteria, but America is leaving their criteria behind. This, in a somewhat related off note, is why I hope Democrats don't give into the FAR-left's every demand. I'm not saying don't listen to them or embrace their ideas, but don't use it as a judging tool for the only people who can be nominated otherwise we'll face the same problem the Republicans will be having.


by werd2406 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:49:32 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

So, how bad is polling going to look like for us on Monday?

I'm terrified that this afternoon the gallup is going to move A LOT! :-(


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by LordMike on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:07:08 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

It'll move a few points due to Wednesday's speech, but there's nothing to build on it.  Thursday was a dud even according to Republicans.  So Palin gave a decent speech that did nothing but attack Obama.  Moreover, it did so in such a scatter shot way that it didn't really develop a theme.  I'm sure it'll have a short term effect but how long really will it stick in people's minds?

The DNC was powerful because it unified the Democratic base and then it stayed unified.  Clinton supporters went from the low 70s to the mid 80s in supporting Obama.  McCain already was getting 90 percent of the Republican vote.  They'll be more energized, but other than that, I don't see what this does.


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by thezzyzx on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:24:40 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I don't know... identity politics come into play here... not so much the woman candidate thing, but that they are the "white trash governor family"... I was watching the news Thursday morning and they were doing all sorts of stuff on the Palin family, and showing pictures of the husband snowmobiling and stuff, and I can't help thinking of Bush's ranch...  the guy looked like he never has even worn a suit before...  Americans eat that garbage up...

I don't know... I think it will just be too much to overcome....


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by LordMike on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:41:32 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (2.00 / 1)

Stop. Being. Afraid.

Fear is how they win. Fear is how they govern.
But FDR was basically correct - "we have nothing to fear...but fear itself."  (I'd say that and overconfidence - both sap productive energy)

Rather than being afraid - work for change...


by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:34:17 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

This speech was bad.  It was bad as Palin's speech was allegedly, and Obama's speech was actually, good.

Very, very bad.


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by lojasmo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:03:41 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Desmoinesdem, you are right. I noticed some other portions of his speech that wasn't well crafted. For example, when he said that he took on Big oil, drug companies and UNION BOSSES. As soon as he said "Union Bosses" somebody yelled 'YEAH' but there was a splattering of applause that followed.
I told the Wife, "Plants are closing down and companies are taking jobs overseas. The Unions are usually that only thing that stands up for the little guy in these small towns. How is pissing of Union members a good thing ?"
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by xodus1914 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:38:28 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Outside of the liberal blogosphere (in places like, oh, the GOP leadership) it is generally accepted that they're screwed.


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by chrisblask on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:59:26 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Maybe he's dying?

We haven't seen his medical records for awhile.


by Bush Bites on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:50:38 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

i think his reference to history was a sideways attack on the Obama idea that dems were gonna make history this year. he is pleading with the GOPpers to not sit back but to take control of  history.

or sumthin' like that.

whatever, it didn't go anywhere. just like the rest of the speech.


The sleep of reason begets monsters. -- Francisco Jose de Goya
by joe in oklahoma on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:04:21 AM EST

New ABC Poll on Palin (none / 0)

Looks like she energized the base--though RNC fundraising numbers might dispute how much she energized it--but didn't do much else.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Story? id=5725793&page=1


by Bush Bites on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:09:19 AM EST

Re: New ABC Poll on Palin (none / 0)

She energized the Base all right.

The Democratic Base! 10 Million $ in a little over 24 hours.


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by xodus1914 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:34:05 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Yeah at times the structure of the speech had the predictability of a 10th grader's persuasive essay.


by flux08 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:14:05 AM EST

The end of the speech (none / 0)

is actually a paraphrase of something Churchhill said - and my guess is that is what he was trying to invoke.


by fladem on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:43:58 AM EST

I think that you misread it (none / 0)

I believe he was trying to address the sense of pessimism in the country that its best days are behind it and that were are destined to be in thrall to the inscrutable mandarins in Beijing.   But as with the rest of the speach, it was weak and opaque.

And was anyone else nausiated by the overt politicization of our military and flag?   Joe Biden's son, who will also be deploying to Iraq, simply said that he wouldn't be able to be here to campaign for his dad.   Palin and her fluffers must have mentioned the point that Trick or whatever his name is is going off to Iraq, and how many active duty soldiers were in that audience?   Then of course the imagery of Palin in her video with all of the soldiers superimposed.  You might have thought that she was leading a tank column into Baghdad.  

These people have no ideas and no record to run on.  It's all kabuki theater and warm but hypocritical words out of their lying mouths.   They mock community organizing, they cheapen discourse on important topics, and they preach a hatred borne of insecurity and greed.   They are the modern day Romans.


by activatedbybush on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:58:53 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I noted the inevitability comment as well. I think it ties in with the theme of the convention which was to convince the base that it isn't a foregone conclusion he's going to lose. A bid for turnout.

What I found even more funny was Cindy's bio film. The cute part about how they met, and saw each other across the room at a party, and somehow got fixed up by someone, and how she fell in love at once. No mention of how he was screwing Cindy while still married to his first wife. Somewhat revisionist?


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by Travis Stark on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:18:54 AM EST

Today's Rasmussen (none / 0)

48O-46M

Tuesday through Thursday


by mady on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:34:14 AM EST

Monday through Wednesday (none / 0)

I think that's actually Monday through Wednesday.


by mady on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:36:27 AM EST
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Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)


Obama is the future.

McCain is history.

I'm OK with that.


by admiralnaismith on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:20:43 AM EST

The fighting is what I find odd (none / 0)

The guy can hardly walk, he ain't gonna "fight" for sh*t!


by Dmitri in San Diego on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:53:22 AM EST

Something else that is add (none / 0)

"McCain, Obama campaigns grapple for 'change'"

This was a headline on MSNBC.com

What JOKE!


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by kevin22262 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:53:49 AM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Just the rant of a confused old man...means nothing.


by moondancer on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:17:59 PM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Hmm, the fight thing made me say "Right On!" and I almost expected him to say "So let's fight for Barack Obama this November!"

He was seriously trying to steal something.


by MNPundit on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:18:33 PM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

Great point about the booing.  It comes off very bad.  Hate is never attractive.

But really, the convention suuuUUUUUUUUuuuuucked!

Have you seen the "Walter Reed" thing at TPM? Hilarious!


by dMarx on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:24:09 PM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

The Republicans gave it their best shot, but it won't be enough, I think.  I'll wait for next week's polling.


by NewOaklandDem on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:12:37 PM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

I think McCain was casting himself as the underdog and calling for help when he said "nothing is inevitable here".  America loves an underdog.


by mikes101 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:52:28 PM EST

Re: Did this strike anyone else as odd? (none / 0)

"I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them. I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them. I will cut government spending. He will increase it. My tax cuts will create jobs. His tax increases will eliminate them. My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance. His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor."

Did this strike anyone as sounding kinda like a bad Jackov Shmirnoff impersonation?


by CapitalShill on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:39:53 PM EST

comrade knows funny! (none / 0)

Yes, good comparison.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 11:49:02 AM EST
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Meaningless RNC (none / 0)

The entire Repug convention was just a feel good convention, nothing else.


by Jimmy08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:49:45 AM EST


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