Tracking Poll Update: A 7 Point Race

ObamaMcCain
Diageo/Hotline4741
Gallup4943
Rasmussen Reports5145
Research 2000/dKos5141
Average:49.5042.50

For the first time, Barack Obama's average lead in the 4 daily tracking polls has reached 7 points and remarkably, 3 polls agree that it's a 6 point race. Even more remarkable, perhaps, is that both Research 2000, which has traditionally been most generous toward Obama, and Rasmussen, which has been least, agree: Obama is at 51%. Gallup on the other hand does a bit of concern trolling over Obama's drop from 50% yesterday to 49% today.

Although support for Obama among national registered voters hit the 50% mark in the past two days of Gallup Poll Daily tracking (he initially attained 50% in early September), he has yet to cross that symbolic threshold. The importance of this, however, is unclear. Gallup's historical trial heat trends show that the winners in 1988, 2000 -- both years with minimal third party candidate support suppressing the vote for the major party candidates -- rarely attained 50% or greater support from registered voters prior to Gallup's final pre-election poll.

Voter support for George W. Bush only once exceeded 50% in his 2004 campaign against John Kerry, that being 53% in mid-September. In 1988, George H.W. Bush reached or surpassed the 50% mark once at the very beginning and then not again until the last two weeks of the campaign.

Another interesting note, this one from the Research 2000 poll, for the first time in the history of the poll McCain's favorability rating is in negative territory at 43/46. On the bright side, at least Sarah "40/51" Palin has some company. The difference between the popularity of the Republican ticket and the Democratic ticket is stark: Obama has a net favorability rating of +26 and Biden's is at +16.



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Re: Tracking Poll Update: A 7 Point Race (2.00 / 1)

Ok, so what is the bad news in all this?


by RandyMI on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:24:19 PM EST

Re: Tracking Poll Update: A 7 Point Race (2.00 / 1)

John McCain is still withing 7 points.  Obama should have 107% of the vote with the state the country is in


by gavoter on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:41:09 PM EST
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Haha... (none / 0)

Yes, this is really good news for McCrazy! Because he is only 7% down, this means he has a small chance at undoing all his self-imposed damage instead of a teeny-tiny one! All is great for McCrazy today! hehe ;-)


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by atdleft on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:49:56 PM EST
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Re: Tracking Poll Update: A 7 Point Race (2.00 / 0)

According to Alegre, Hillary would have 2167% of the vote, Bill would have 18920% of the vote, and Chelsea would have 9657% of the vote.

Math is not her strong suit.


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by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:54:28 PM EST
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What about battleground? (2.00 / 3)

Here's Nate Silver's take on Battleground:


In this case, however, the poll seems to be making a relatively fundamental mistake: it is not weighting by age.

Take a look for yourself at the "weighted tables" that Battleground released a couple of days ago (PDF). These crosstabs provide a ton of detail -- kudos to Battleground for doing so -- but unfortunately there is one red flag. This is the age makeup of their weighted sample:

18-34    17%
35-44    12%
45-64    40%
65+      31%

Intuitively, this probably looks fairly wrong to you -- almost twice as many age 65+ voters as age18-34 voters? And in fact, it almost certainly is wrong. By comparison, here is the approximate age composition of the electorate in 2004, as according to the US Census Bureau**:

18-34    26%
35-44    17%
45-64    38%
65+      19%

Battleground's numbers are not even close. About 19 percent of voters were aged 65 and older in 2004, as compared to the 31 percent in the Battleground sample. On the other hand, 43 percent of voters were aged 18-44, as opposed to Battleground's 29 percent. These differences are much, much too large to be attributable to chance alone. (And all of this is assuming that turnout in 2008 will match that in 2004, even though youth turnout increased markedly in the primaries and is at least somewhat probable to do so in the general election.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/w hats-wrong-with-battleground-poll.html


by OmniStipes on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:45:41 PM EST

Well, that explains it... (none / 0)

Why GWU Battleground is so screwed up this year... But will it stop the PUMA McTrolls from taking solace in it? Probably not. Whatever. They can have it... And we'll win the election! :-D


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by atdleft on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:53:52 PM EST
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Re: What about battleground? (none / 0)

Yes, I found it incredibly well timed of Nate to write that essay the day after I had posted here that I just didn't get what was going on with Battleground!

Among the comments in the 538 post it was also noted that they may be off in terms of white/nonwhite as well, as they are weighting to equal the 2004 white/nonwhite turnover.  This may a bit unrealistic, given that the white vote drops by about 1% a year recently, and that there just might be a reason for minority voters to turn out in higher numbers this year.  


by travelerkaty on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:08:12 PM EST
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Re: Tracking Poll Update: A 7 Point Race (2.00 / 1)

I don't think this margin will hold for the next 5 weeks, but the longer the better. I believe there's already early voting in some states, namely Ohio, plus absentee ballots will start being filled out and returned. Any votes cast during this period, with a 5-6 point Obama lead, likely work in our favor.

It's similar to California during the primaries. I couldn't believe the Intrade price plummeted to 50/50 based on late nonsense polling, when Hillary had early voting working heavily in her favor, during a period she led the California polling by considerable margin.


by Gary Kilbride on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:30:44 PM EST

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In 1992, Clinton beat Bush Sr. by 5%.  That was good for 370 electoral votes.  He did this failing to take Florida, Virginia, or North Carolina.  If Obama wins those three states, plus the other tossups, he could come close to Clinton's total.  Winning nationally by 6% wouldn't hurt either.


by Skaje on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:35:28 PM EST

what's more (2.00 / 1)

there's cause to believe that many of these polls are underestimating Obama by 2 or more points, due to the likely surge in youth and AA turnout.  Given how few of these pollsters call cell phones (I literally only know a single person under 30 that has a land line), 18-30s are almost certainly not being weighted nearly as heavily as they should be.  Although 538's projection of 82% likelihood for Obama seems a tad optimistic, the race is really beginning to break for Obama.  The closer to November we get, the more significant a small lead becomes.  McCain needs something major right now, like an Iranian attack on Israel, to stand much of a chance.

I just wish this economic stuff pushing Obama into the lead wasn't such shitty news for America.  On the other hand, anything that helps McCain (nat'l security emergencies) would probably be much worse.  I'm crossing my fingers for a horrible thursday debate;  Obama above 10% would probably push McCain into the extreme longshot category.


by semiquaver on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:52:46 PM EST


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