Agreeing with John McCain is a good thing.

There has been some groaning among Democratic circles--and in some media organizations--about the fact that Senator Obama said numerous times during the debate that he agreed with John McCain about certain policy matters.

Yes, it's entirely possible to view that through the lens of Obama offering up an opportunity for McCain to claim supremacy in foreign policy issues.

I, by contrast, would claim that Obama's repeated statements of agreement with McCain were, even if unscripted, extremely effective at highlighting one of the chief contrast that the debate brought out:  that Barack Obama is ready to lead by finding common ground, while McCain was a grouchy old man who couldn't even acknowledge his opponent.

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At a time when regular citizens are tired of the partisanship in Washington and are looking for who is actually going to provide solutions to problems rather than engaging in even more partisan hackery, there are certainly situations less appealing to the American people than, say, a United States Senator having the temerity to agree with another United States Senator in a public debate forum about both economic and foreign policy issues.

That contrasts strongly with John McCain's debate performance, in which he couldn't even look Obama in the eye for the full 90-minute session:

That was the greatest contrast...the demeanor and the tone of voice that these candidates adopted where McCain was being much more pointed much more aggressive and curiously couldn't look Obama in the eye. Obama's tone much more straight and even keeled but ready to look his opponent in the eye repeatedly. A big contrast.

This is a technique that I practice whenever I can.  If you're trying to be persuasive to people who have a different political ideology than you do and don't trust you, the thing you want to do first is establish agreement on issues of common ground.  This sends a clear signal that while you may have disagreements on some issues, your perspectives exist for a reason and you do not have a knee-jerk opposition to them on general principle.

This is very important.  In a few short months, this country will emerge from the national nightmare of eight uninterrupted years of cowboy diplomacy that did its best to ignore the concerns of other countries and trample the Democratic Party, often simply because it could.  The American people have seen the ineffectiveness and counterproductive nature of the politics of Rove and Cheney.  The American people are ready for a President who will actually try to get things done and isn't afraid to acknowledge common ground.

To recapitulate: Barack Obama isn't afraid to vocalize areas of agreement with John McCain, but John McCain can't even bring himself to acknowledge Obama's presence on stage.

That said, however, the McCain campaign has released an webad attacking Obama for--of all things--agreeing with John McCain:

In case you can't watch the video, it's a montage of a few of Obama's "I agree with Senator McCain" or some variation thereof, followed by the narration:

Is he ready to lead?  No.

Now, the McCain campaign is in essence admitting one of two things, neither of which are good: 1) that agreeing with John McCain specifically about anything indicates an unreadiness to lead, in which case John McCain is the ultimate unready man; or 2) that finding areas of common ground with members of the opposition party inherently indicates an unwillingness to lead.

Certainly, neither of these are good options, but that is the corner that the McCain campaign has pinned itself into.

One last thing: talking about how the other candidate agrees with you is something you should only do when the other candidate is more popular than you and you want to mooch off his or her popularity.  With all due respect to Joe Biden--really, Joe, I'm a big fan--it's a tactic pioneered by Joe shortly before he bowed out of the Democratic primary:

There are only two conclusions to draw from the McCain campaign's cross-purpose messaging on this:

They really think they need to continue the past 8 years of hard-line cowboy diplomacy with 4 more years of the "fuck-you" presidency.  And I, for one, don't think the American people will buy it.



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by hekebolos on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:21:27 AM EST

Re: Agreeing with John McCain is a good thing. (2.00 / 1)

I agree completely.  McCain positions himself as a bipartisan "Maverick" but then mocks efforts to find common ground.

We shouldn't attack our candidate for being a rational human being and acknowledging the fact that even political opponents agree some of the time.


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by thatpurplestuff on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:23:27 AM EST

people could tell they had common points (2.00 / 3)

I noticed several times that some elements of some of their positions were the same. I assume others watching noticed that as well. On the one hand, Obama noted this, usually as a segue to draw attention to the areas where their positions differed. McCain, on the other hand, acted like Obama was never making any good points at all--which just made McCain look like a defensive asshole, IMO.


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by kydoc2 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:02:14 AM EST

Agree completely... (2.00 / 3)

I also think in a time of crisis, Obama's manner was much more reasurring. The country saw a calm measured person who was willing to reach out to his adversary when possible while not being afraid to present a clear contrast.

McCain was altogether unpleasant and unable to connect. He seemed like he was still trying to win the Vietnam war and thought we were still in the cold war. He really was the old guy at the home who doesn't get new fangled stuff and gets misty when tlaking about his war buddy veterans. He wants to help the nation "heal the wounds of war". I doubt this is most people's focus at the moment.


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by berkshiretrueblue on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:27:53 AM EST

regarding eye contact (2.00 / 3)

Josh Marshall posted a couple of interesting e-mails from his readers:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/22 0226.php

As a psychotherapist and someone who treats people with anger management problems, we typically try to educate people that anger is often an emotion that masks other emotions. I think it's significant that McCain didn't make much, if any, eye contact because it suggests one of two things to me; he doesn't want to make eye contact because he is prone to losing control of his emotions if he deals directly with the other person, or, his anger masks fear and the eye contact may increase or substantiate the fear.

I study monkey behavior--low ranking monkeys don't look at high ranking monkeys. In a physical, instinctive sense, Obama owned McCain tonight and I think the instant polling reflects that.

I find the "anger management" explanation more believable than the "McCain is a low-ranking monkey" explanation.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:47:54 AM EST

Re: regarding eye contact (none / 0)

Mojo for monkeys!


by futbol dad on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:56:45 PM EST
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Did Barack Succer Punch McCain? (2.00 / 0)

Everything we've been reading about the take on the debate says that style mattered, and Obama won that hands down. The CNN "instant meter" said that people didn't like it when McCain was condescending with lines like, "He's naive."

So Barack let's the McCain ads run. Then comes in with one of his own:

"John McCain ran ads emphasizing the number of times I agreed with him. And that's fine. Because that's the kind of tone I will bring to Washington -- one of cooperation, not confrontation. Agreeing with someone who is right regardless of party. I'm Barack Obama, and I approve both the content and the tone of this message."


by Bob Miller on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:17:19 AM EST

Dead Wrong (none / 0)

I think you miss the point of a debate.  Obama is way too different from John McCain to run on agreement with him a so many issues.  

He has caved on so many issues, even in the debate he caved to McCain's fiscally conservative message about cutting spending and earmarks.  To the point where he said, "[paraphrase]we might have to wait on a few of my proposals".  

Obama is talking about using government more to help people(could be argued to restart the economy as well), but that does not give with cutting spending.  He gave the point to McCain when he should have fought for his campaign promises.  He can not when be being more republican then his oppenent.

Is it that far of a jump to think that Obama's tax plan may have to first only implement the increases to people over $250,000 to fill Governments empty coffers.  It will cost trillions as it is written now.

Constantly deferring the answer to your oppenent during a campaign is not a sign of bi-partisionship, it is a sign of weekness.

It is getting harder and harder to believe he will fight for the causes he is campaigning on as he votes for drilling, votes for FISA, public financing of campaigns, Iraq?, and continually agrees with the opposition.


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 02:12:09 PM EST

Dead Wronger (none / 0)

We indeed might have to wait on some of his proposals. That's not "caving" or "being weak," that's being honest.


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:31:34 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wronger (none / 0)

It is too caving - the climate has not changed since he started his campaign.   He can't say he forsaw these problems then say his proposals need to be adjusted becuase of it.  It sure leaves the voters wondering what will he do when he gets in office and it sure doesn't sound like change.

If it is honesty now what was it when we was campaigning?


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:55:57 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wronger (none / 0)

It is too caving - the climate has not changed since he started his campaign.   He can't say he forsaw these problems then say his proposals need to be adjusted becuase of it.

He has never said he foresaw a 700 billion dollar bailout. Nor did he foresee a financial crisis the likes of which we see today. Where do you even get this crap?


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:03:56 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wronger (1.00 / 1)

From the debate, remember he warned us two years ago.  Maybe he didn't see this coming, but that may be worse.

Two years ago, I warned that, because of the subprime lending mess, because of the lax regulation, that we were potentially going to have a problem and tried to stop some of the abuses in mortgages that were taking place at the time.

Last year, I wrote to the secretary of the Treasury to make sure that he understood the magnitude of this problem and to call on him to bring all the stakeholders together to try to deal with it.


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:25:56 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wronger (none / 0)

He foresaw a potential problem. That's a good thing. It doesn't mean he foresaw the extent of the problem and it certainly doesn't mean he did anything wrong by crafting his proposals without factoring in this potential (at the time) problem.


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:24:26 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wrong (2.00 / 2)

But, Classic, You and Soyousay have your filters glued into place.

You don't like Obama, you are looking to find fault.

Here's the real take.

I thought it was a draw, I also thought he was too deferential to McCain.

ALL the non-political junkies I have talked to today thought Obama was actually walking the walk of bi-partesinship...

While McCain who kept claiming Over and Over, he could work across the aisle, came across as grumpy, condescending, almost manic...

Their words not mine.

You missed it, as did a lot of us because of your filters.


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by WashStateBlue on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:39:11 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wrong (1.00 / 1)

I wasn't looking to find fault - I was looking for substanance.  Playing to the middle is only going to make Obama look fake.  

Honesty would have been to say we need to spend our way out of this.  We have people without jobs and an economy in shambles.  Not concede to tax cutting and spending cutting.  That certainly wasn't what he ran on and the climate hasn't really changed(remember Obama saw this crisis 2 years ago.)

I think your filter is a little to tightly affixed to your eyes.  You are arguing for a tie, becuase it is the best Obama can hope for, but saying McCain and Obama are the same thing is a losing strategy.


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:51:40 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wrong (none / 0)

You aren't looking for substance. You are looking for any excuse to concern troll, and it's completely transparent.

And please stop misrepresenting what Obama said. He didn't "concede to tax cutting and spending cutting." He said the same thing he's been saying all along--tax cuts for 95% of working families while cutting waste and creating new spending programs. I think your filter is a little too tightly wrapped around your brain--no intelligent thoughts are getting through.


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:09:18 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wrong (none / 0)

Fine, you are right and I am only a troll.  No need to read what I am saying.  I am the one who is acting blind.

I think you should decide what you believe before you pick a canidate not the other way around.  You are not defending policies of Obama you like, you are just defending him.  If you can't have disagreements with him, then you are the blind follower.

Obama is not going to beat McCain on reducing taxes and controlling government spending!  IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FROM GOVERNMENT?  Then not only has Obama conceaded the battle - you are conceading the war.

I think you need to see through your preception of my attack on Obama and see what I am trying to say!  


"There have existed, in every age and every country, two distinct orders of men - the lovers of freedom and the devoted advocates of power"
by Classical Liberal on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:38:53 PM EST
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Re: Dead Wrong (none / 0)

I do have disagreements with him, gay marriage, death penalty, FISA, to name just a few. But I'm not hand-wringing or misrepresenting what he's saying, or claiming that those disagreements put him at a disadvantage of winning.

Obama is not going to beat McCain on reducing taxes and controlling government spending!

True. So what's your point? He's not trying to. He's also not going to beat McCain by arguing that we need to "spend our way out" of this mess. That argument would be political suicide.

And the fact remains that the majority of undecided voters as well as a majority of voters overall said that Obama won the debate. Why are you trying to argue that he lost when he obviously won? Why (other than trolling) are you insistently hand-wringing and misrepresenting what Obama is saying while Obama is climbing in the polls and winning debates?


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:20:29 PM EST
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First of all (none / 0)

Obama agreed with McCain on what the problems are but he did not agree with McCain on how to resolve them.

Secondly, the point of the diary is that if McCain campaign thinks he will gain stature by running an ad showing Obama sometimes agrees with him then McCain is admitting that Obama's opinion carries a lot of weight.  The only other possibility is that McCain is saying Obama is foolish for agreeing with him which would be a stupid thing for McCain to say.


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by GFORD on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:06:20 PM EST
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Re: Agreeing with John McCain is a good thing. (2.00 / 1)

I actually think this is an ongoing strategy for the Obama campaign.  I think the point is to emphasize the grumpy old guy factor by stressing the "Ok, evrybody knows you're a hero so just calm down" meme.  If you introduce every remark to or about McCain by saying what a hero he is or how much you agree with his previous point, at some point people filter that out and just hear the last part which is the criticism.  And everybody has a crotchety family member that they have to pacify by saying how much they "understand" what they said and "you may have a point, but..."  


by Demo Dan in Dayton on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 02:35:40 PM EST

I thought... (none / 0)

...Obama was quite gracious to point out the two or three times McCain got something right. It's not as if McCain gets anything right very often, which is why Obama felt it was noteworthy on the few occasions it did happen.


by Mystylplx on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:26:10 PM EST


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