National Review: Palin should bow out

Wow, when you've lost the National Review crowd, you've lost everyone.  They've been the last hold outs.  Apparently they're reaching their limits there:

Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there's not much content there. Here's but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: "Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And that's something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this."

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama's numbers, Palin blustered wordily: "I'm not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who's more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who's actually done it?"

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we'd all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she's a woman -- and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket -- we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Yeah, she got some hits on Biden there, but that's to be expected.  National Review columnists were so excited about Palin.  They're the base that was energized.  If they're starting to ask for her to leave, who is she appealing to?



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Is this the next hail Mary? (2.00 / 1)

n/t


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:20:54 AM EST

Good point (2.00 / 1)

Honestly?  Yeah, that's exactly what they look to be setting up here.

Better get your Intrade "Sarah Palin withdraws" stock now before it's too late.  :)


by hello world on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:25:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good for them to tell the truth.. (none / 0)

Even though it doesn't look good for their candidate.

Palin needs to withdraw.

That would save them the embarrassment of her being whipped in the VP debate.


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by architek on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:31:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good for them to tell the truth.. (none / 0)

Maybe she or someone else in her family can get pregnant again and use that as an excuse.


by Pravin on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:54:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

'Resign' is the new word for 'fired.' (2.00 / 1)

Everyone knows that people are "asked to resign" as a nice way of firing them these days.  Bush's endless stream of blood from decapitated careers is more than enough evidence of that.

If she resigns, everyone will know that, in reality, McCain axed her.

I'm actually sad about all this.  I liked Palin before the general started, mostly because all I knew about her were the human interest stories.   I didn't want to see her image destroyed, but I also thought she was too smart to let her family get involved with all this (she'd originally, back in June or so, said that she wasn't interested in the VP spot because of her new baby). If things had gone differently, though, she could've been a serious threat.  Who knows?  She still might be, down the road.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:42:36 AM EST

Re: 'Resign' is the new word for 'fired.' (2.00 / 1)

I don't see how she could be a force after this.  This impression is settling so strongly that unless she's amazing next week, I think her chances of national office are gone.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:45:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Its hard to say (2.00 / 1)

It really depends on how much the evangelicals are willing to look the other way on her competance issues; money still seems to fall out of her mouth when she talks at fundraisers.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 12:21:58 PM EST
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Re: Its hard to say (none / 0)

But, she has to compete with Huckabee...

Going into this thing, I assumed that she would be the frontrunner in 2012 and be tough to beat...  But, she'd have to beat Huckabee for the nomination.

Now, unless she improves her personal and professional standing in the next 4 years, she won't last one debate with those guys.  Unlike our party, no one in the GOP cares if they rip a woman to shreds and offend anyone...  Huckabee and her will be stealing votes from each other, allowing someone like Romney to slip right through practically unopposed.

My guess will be for her to get into the senate somehow... for example, Stevens winning, goes to jail, she appoints herself in his place... then running in 2016 against Hillary...


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by LordMike on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:20:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's reasonably plausable (none / 0)

Though she's gotta be somewhat careful not to play too many games with Alaskans.  

I get the impression that folks up there don't like to get played.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:35:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its hard to say (none / 0)

what about Jindal?  he has both the (potential) celebrity and the wackjob ideas and ideals.  he can even play the "reform" card.


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:52:33 PM EST
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Re: Its hard to say (none / 0)

He's sharp as a tack, too... I've heard him speak, and he can make wingnutty ideas seem quite sane...

She'll have to compete with him, too... and, he's a minority, so they can play the Uncle Tom card as well...

Lots of interesting characters for 2012...


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by LordMike on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:13:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But, but Jerome says she is (none / 0)

the HOPE of the Republican Party. She is their savior, she might win the election for McCain.


by Lolis on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:40:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She really was (none / 0)

I know a fair number of wingnuts, and they would have happily substituted Palin for McCain. Many of them viewed her as unbeatable after a 1 term McCain presidency.

Now though...we don't talk about Palin.


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:19:10 PM EST
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Re: But, but Jerome says she is (none / 0)

Perhaps a hope like Hillary is NOW a hope for women. Look how far she went and you can go farther than that. She and Huckabee have made life safer in the party for cultural conservatives operating on faith and not on consensus or the real world.


by Christy1947 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:49:13 PM EST
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Re: 'Resign' is the new word for 'fired.' (none / 0)

I expect to see her show up any day now with a Dan Quale haircut.  It's that bad.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:49:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Boy, when the NR is wrong, they are DEAD wrong (2.00 / 5)

"Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden."

BAHAAHHHA...

In your dreams.

Palin is going no where.

No way the base forgives ANYBODY or excepts ANYBODY in her place.

Who have they got the base won't go ballastic over?

Mittens?

Rudy?

Ridge?

We all know, for each different reasons, those folks are anethema to the base.

Palin is it, NR.

Schmidt had McCain toss the Hail Mary.

It did exactly what he wanted: Stopped the converstation about the Obama convention, kept the media going apeshit over "so shiny...."

Got the base fired up, she IS the female Ron
Reagan, to them as well as to certain crazy posters here...(slight dig there)

The ONLY WAY Palin could quit is some personal reason, health, the health of one of her kids...

The base doesn't care a tinkers damn if she appears incoherent in interviews with Kati Couric.

Hell, it reinforces their idea, they WANT the opposite of an elite running the country.

They want a total chowderhead!!!!

And, in her, they have the perfect fit.


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:45:33 AM EST

Re: Boy, when the NR is wrong, they are DEAD wrong (none / 0)

I always love your comments, man, and this is a corker

The base doesn't care a tinkers damn if she appears incoherent in interviews with Kati Couric.

Hell, it reinforces their idea, they WANT the opposite of an elite running the country.

They want a total chowderhead!!!!


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by brit on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:53:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Boy, when the NR is wrong, they are DEAD wrong (none / 0)

Don't need / want to know, exactly; yet, upon which solar system do you exist?

As far as my August wager goes: "she's gone before the gen", still stands...(y'all should have taken the odds we gave back then; it's gonna cost ya, now)

Only thing that concerns me about my (always) being right; is the fact I see s**t like this coming (ala Nancy in '80), and can't do a thing about it.

I can only hope to outlive their pseudo-patriotism.

700,000,000,000.00 reasons I'm the way I'm.


I told my psychiatrist: "everyone hates me". He said I was being ridiculous..."everyone hasn't met you yet" - Rodney D.
by bullshipper on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 07:04:03 AM EST
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Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (2.00 / 5)

Removing her would end McCain's campaign.  The religious right would never forgive him, and it would add yet more drama to the campaign.  At this point voters are getting fed up with the drama.  Two nights ago on Maddow's show, even Tweety said that McCain's campaign was "all razzle-dazzle, and the voters get tired of razzle-dazzle" (paraphrased).  

I mean, really, he has run a no-substance campaign since at least the summer.  Four years of these stunts would be a nightmare, and that isn't lost on people.


by rfahey22 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:53:58 AM EST

People are tired of all the drama.. (2.00 / 3)

...

They would like to simply have a President we can trust.

McCain is a parody of himself at this point.
Palin is a bad joke.


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by architek on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:58:02 AM EST

Re: People are tired of all the drama.. (none / 0)

Did you ever think a few weeks ago that one of Biden's virtues is that he is predictable and boring, and the nation would grumble but not faint if he in fact succeeded to the presidency? With Bush, he HAD TO stay well because Darth Vader would become President after him. With McC the same. But Biden could be a boring but competent president if called upon to do so in a way that would not scare most of us, just bore us.


by Christy1947 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:51:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: People are tired of all the drama.. (2.00 / 1)

Bingo. Biden is looking like the smartest choice ever. I'm really getting to like the guy now


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:56:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (2.00 / 3)

Parker obviously doesn't understand the party she belongs to.  Palin is a suitable VP candidate precisely because she passed the test for irrationality.  Remember William F. Buckley's famous quip that he'd rather be ruled by the first hundred names in the Cambridge phone book than by the faculty of Harvard University?

No Republican would say something like this today.  Average Joes and Janes in Massachusetts can't be trusted.  Their ideal candidate is someone whose view on evolution is, "Ain't no way my grandpappy was some monkey!"  


by IncognitoErgoSum on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 12:27:59 PM EST

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (2.00 / 3)

This is all a setup for the Veep debate. Watch out.


by RandyMI on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 12:37:24 PM EST

WTF (none / 0)

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Are you a DEM. or what? Palin is the gift that keeps on giving. We should all be happy she's a big turd. She was chosen ONLY because of her sex, and that shows how sexist McCain is. That you would hope she does well speaks volumes abot what you really want for this country.


by venician on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:13:47 PM EST

Re: WTF (2.00 / 1)

That's not from the diarist, that is from the NR editorial

That IS a Republic talking.


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:17:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WTF (none / 0)

Sorry diarist, meh bad!


by venician on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:34:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

Watch... replacing her will be his next gimmick.... it's a poor one... but, when does McCain ever think things through... he's desperate and unpredictable!


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by LordMike on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:34:22 PM EST

He can't. (none / 0)

With a little over a month to the election. He can't pick a new running mate without a really, REALLY good reason, like Palin or a member of her family becomes ill. She's got a 5 month old Down's syndrome child and a 17 year old pregnant daughter, and she still decided running for VP was a good idea. What kind of family issue could cause her to resign?

No, I don't think she'll be leaving. It would be equivalent to McCain saying, "Ya. My judgment sucks, but please vote for me anyway."


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:35:44 PM EST

Re: He can't. (2.00 / 1)

Plus, he never questions his own judgment.


by Lolis on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:42:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

Ya we actually do not want Palin to bow out.  She's primed to lose the VP debate and if she did step out that would give Mccain a chance to pick someone new and shiny and give him another crack at a convention-like bounce.  We just need to focus on how she sucks, but keep her in the game.


by goodleh on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:47:22 PM EST

Going down (none / 0)

The GOP ship is going down.

Even the rats are jumping ship.


by Sieglinde on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:48:45 PM EST

If McCain drops Palin (none / 0)

The GOP stays home on election day. I truly believe they would be THAT angry at him.


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:23:35 PM EST

Re: If McCain drops Palin (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.

The election then looks like Reagan's landslide.

BUT, don't count that out as a possibility.

The party elites (yes, shocking, don't tell the base) don't want Sarah Palin to be the defacto head of the party.

IF the believe the next 4 years will be a hell-hole, tossing the anchor to Obama is cool, but they don't want an Idelogue (at least THAT kind of Idelogue)like Palin in charge of the party.

Taking her out, even IF they face the wrath of the base in the short term could be their plan.


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:27:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So I guess the CW is (none / 0)

Palin is no longer the New Hope of the GOP?

That's gotta be seriously demoralizing. For a while there it was those party elites that saw, in her, a way to reinvigorate the GOP brand.

Instead, she's making a laughingstock of it.


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:09:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So I guess the CW is (2.00 / 1)

No, SHE IS the GOP to the base.

The problem is, the National Review AIN'T the base.

The base lives in OK, Alabama, Kentucky....

The National Review is the Elite.

They ought to be careful. The base can just as easily hate them as well....


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:59:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Interesting point (2.00 / 1)

I wonder, if Palin continues to free-fall (admittedly a big if), will we see friction between the Grand Old Party and the Good Ole' Party?


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:02:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If McCain drops Palin (2.00 / 1)

The reality is that while we we're arguing the primary wars, the republicans were having a silent vicious civil war. Palin was the temporary bandaid over the problem when McCain wasn't allowed Lieberman.

One day someone will write something about this here.

In the meantime, notice how most the republican trolls have disappeared from MYDD. Why? Because they're fighting each other, much later in the day, and to more catastrophic effect, than anything that's ever happened here


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:00:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

Why do so many on here give a rats ass about Palin?
She's god awful. A shrew. I can't stand a single thing about her and as far as I'm concernd her only virtue other then good looks,is that she's becoming an albatross around the neck of McCain.
She's a lightweight. Big Time.
by Lodgemannered on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:50:32 PM EST

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (2.00 / 1)

Forgive my pessimism, but I can only think that this is an effort to control expectations for the VP debates.  The ONLY time Palin has chalked up wins in the media is when the bar has been set so incredibly low that anything she does is a net positive.  By painting her as to be so incompetent that she should be replaced makes it a lot easier for her to come into the VP debates and outperform her expectations.

I dunno... maybe the last 8 years has made me too cynical, but I definitely see some ulterior motives at work at the NR.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:08:29 PM EST

If that Couric interview was an act (2.00 / 1)

then Palin is smarter than any of us (including Couric), and we should just greet our new Alaskan Overlord.


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:16:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (2.00 / 2)

Haha oh no, that was the real deal.  I think she failed so amazingly, however, because after her acceptance speech people started actually expecting content from her.  She seemed so articulate and knowledgeable at the convention that people started to expect her to perform.  The fact that she can't is obvious.

My point was that the NR knows damn well she's not going to bow out, so I think they are trying to once again lower the expectations.  That way, if she can recite a few neoconservative talking points and not completely bomb, she wins.  Biden's kinda got a tough situation, since he's already expected to just blow her out of the water.  If he doesn't, she looks better.

That being said, I've got full faith in Biden being able to perform.  He's a huge policy wonk and one of the few people that seems to always know what he's talking about, even when he's inserting foot in mouth.  Fingers crossed.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:37:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think I see your point (none / 0)

It's one thing to be a favorite, it's another to so wildly out-match your opponent that victory is inevitable. It's like if Michael Jordan played a game of 1-on-1 with Gary Coleman, what score would make Mike look good?

I think the best think Biden can do is avoid debating Palin per se, and treat it as a townhall with a moderator and questions. Essentially, he has no opponent, but that still leaves room for good and bad answers.


by Neef on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:48:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think I see your point (none / 0)

Haha the MJ and Coleman analogy is sadly accurate.  I've got faith in Biden being able to provide entertaining, knowledgeable answers.  Seeing as how McCain's camp openly said they want this election to be about character and not issues, he's got to be careful not to get sucked into whatever foolishness Palin brings to the table.  Again, fingers crossed.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:22:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (none / 0)

That being said, I've got full faith in Biden being able to perform.  He's a huge policy wonk and one of the few people that seems to always know what he's talking about, even when he's inserting foot in mouth.  Fingers crossed.

Gore was a policy wonk, and lost the debates in the eyes of independents because of that. Bush said, simply and without any details, that he was in favor of changing Medicare. Gore went into policy-wonk mode  about how it mattered whether you supported the Dingell-Norburt bill (or whatever bill it was). I turned to my hubby at that point and said we had lost. [Who knew that we'd eke out a victory only to have it snatched away, but still...]

Debates aren't about being policy wonks -- they are about connecting with voters. Maybe not to you (and not to me), but to the undecided voters we need to win over. Biden has the capability to come off really well in that regard, but it's against his natural tendency. On the other hand, winning over voters with her personality is exactly the one thing Palin is able to do well, though she certainly failed even at that in her recent media interviews.

So I'm hopeful too, but a scenario where Biden wins the debate in our eyes and loses in the eyes of the undecided voters is not at all difficult to imagine.


by fsm on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:17:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (none / 0)

"a scenario where Biden wins the debate in our eyes and loses in the eyes of the undecided voters is not at all difficult to imagine."

Absolutely true.  I hope that Biden's passion and energy can help him out a bit in that respect in comparison to Gore, but you bring up an excellent point.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:23:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (none / 0)

Purplestuff. It's been months. Was trying to get your email so you could come and Moose it with us.


Moose Juice; debate without hate
by brit on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:03:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (2.00 / 1)

Woah!  Old nickname and everything!  I saw your article and I was very impressed.  Amazing job.

I'll totally come over to the site, although without Nancy and dtaylor I'm not sure I'll have much to offer... hahaha.  Seems that the only times I "contribute" as of late is to point out their foolishness.  Anyway, I'll definitely take a look!


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:16:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that Couric interview was an act (none / 0)

We're in deep caribou doo if anyone pulls the wool over Katie's surgically-enhanced eyeballs...

I choose to believe I'm over the threshold Sarah isn't.

700,000,000,000.00 is a mighty high intelligence quotient that george expects us to swallow...why not? We've been fed a steady diet of it for years (8).


I told my psychiatrist: "everyone hates me". He said I was being ridiculous..."everyone hasn't met you yet" - Rodney D.
by bullshipper on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:28:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

What strikes me most about that article from  the National Review is that the writer says

"Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first"

The Diarist left out the last  5 words of the article which were "Do it for your country"
In other words  the writer wants Palin to try and sell it as if she's  bowing out for  the sake of her family,but is really only concerned about her  vanishing somewhere so as not to  damage the party/campaign anymore. How very Republican.


by Lodgemannered on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 03:26:19 PM EST

The Advantages of Low Expectations (none / 0)

One advantages of all of these missteps by Palin, is that expectations for her in the debate will be so low that she wins the debate by just showing up. By just showing up, she'll exceed expectations and Biden will not. So I don't think Palin will withdraw from the ticket. Her withdrawal would sink McCain.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:16:43 PM EST

Re: The Advantages of Low Expectations (none / 0)

An interesting concept. May be applied to McCain, too. By saying he will not participate in the debate, he sets expectations at the lowest possible level. So if he shows up, he wins in any case.

By the same token, McCain is trying to convince us that Obama will get more than 375 electoral votes.
Thus, if he gets only 370, he loses...


by french imp on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:37:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Palin isn't going anywhere. (none / 0)

Remember, this is the crowd that voted in and worshipped nominees from Dan Quayle to Dubya. What's a little bit of cognitive dissonance?


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:28:49 PM EST

There are legal problems now (none / 0)

in her withdrawing.  1st- there are 51 sets of election laws governing this- replacement on ballots. 2nd. Six states are already voting early now. Absentees are already being sent everywhere where the local Sept primary results have been certified. Now if your state has you vote for (in small print)" Electors Pledged to " (then large print)John S McCain and Sarah Palin, likely Ok to count towards a replacement. but if it's their names alone- up in the air. States usually allow for a replacement in case of death, but not for dropping off.  In '02, MN GOP S of S ruled the 30,000 plus absentees for Paul Wellstone could not be counted towards DFL replacement Walter Mondale nor be replaced by the County Clerks. . We were ferrying the disabled to Polling Stations as MN only allowed you to void an absentee by showing up in person to vote. Obviously out of staters and GIs lost their vote.


by Skipster on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 04:43:23 PM EST

Should have told Bush the same (2.00 / 1)

Where were they when the Blivet and Cheney were stumbling all over themselves during their first campaign?

Guess their high standards for candidates didn't apply back then.  Egads, conservatives must be humiliated and ashamed at what they've done the last 8 years.


by Betsy McCall on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:05:32 PM EST

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

It's not Palins fault. She was naive when she thought she could handle it.  But, she didn't ask for it, it was McCain who sought her out.  That in itself, is pitiful and shows just how important he considers the vice-presidency.  It is a shock to everyone what was under her facade including to him, I would bet.  I just wonder how she is going to be received back in Alaska.  She might not just have
lost the election for vp, but she might have put her career in Alaska in ruination.  I doubt that all the people there knew all the things that have been exposed about her through this campaign.  They might not have known just how freaky conservative she is, and how she reflects poorly on Alaska.
by Scotch on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:06:03 PM EST

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

It seems that between the fate of Sarah Palin and the bailout that there is an increasing chasm between Rethug elites and the rank-and-file.  The elites want to loot $700 billion while they can, but they're being blocked by those who have bought into the ideology the very elites have purveyed for nearly 50 years.  Palin is a slow-moving political disaster; the elites see it, the wingnuts see a savior.

The Republican Party is falling apart at the seams.  The only thing keeping the presidential race close is racism.  60 is looking more likely in the Senate, though.  


The bad news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority. The good news is that my Representative and two Senators are in the minority.
by CLLGADEM on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:23:43 AM EST

Re: National Review: Palin should bow out (none / 0)

And yet, the elite are rarely short on shamelessness when it comes to defending their candidate. If anything, the Republican party has a history of putting out easily manipulated ignoramuses that their corporate puppet-masters can control. I've yet to see the David Brooks and the George Wills - who obviously know better - oppose any of this idiocy.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 11:22:41 AM EST
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