Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to Undecideds UPDATED

Several diaries popped up Monday on dkos complaining (in fervent, outraged tones) about Bill Clinton's media appearances. The complaints were predictable. Bill didn't do enough to promote Obama; he dared praise McCain.

Well, I just watched the Big Dog on Letterman and his approach was masterful. And I would be really surprised if his tactics aren't being coordinated with the Obama campaign.

For those of you concerned that he's not ripping into McCain and not delivering a robust endorsement of Obama, take a moment and think about who his target audience is...

There is no block of Clinton-devoted Democrats who don't plan to vote for Obama.  Barack has the base. Hardcore Republicans aren't going to listen to Bill Clinton. But what about the 5-10% of low-information swing voters who haven't made up their minds? How exactly should an ex-President court those votes?

Bill Clinton is using his media appearances to play the elder statesman, the voice of reason. He doesn't damage his "neutral" credibility by cheerleading for Obama. He speaks in lofty terms about how McCain and Obama are good men. He explains, as a political scholar, that both men have a "psychological claim on the presidency" that appeals to different groups of voters. Bill Clinton is speaking to and for Americans who just aren't sure.

And then he closes the circle. Bill said that many Americans would still be uncertain as they entered the voting booth. And they would think to themselves that they admire John McCain because of the great sacrifice he had made for his country. But that in the end, they would vote for the candidate who will change the direction of this country, the candidate who will be best for their family and their future. And that that's why Barack Obama will win. This is a much more effective approach to undecided voters than coming off as just another partisan.

Bill Clinton is giving Americans permission to vote for Barack Obama, even if they admire John McCain. And that is exactly THE message some voters need to hear.


UPDATE:

Bill Clinton was on the Daily Show last night and essentially echoed my analysis here.

It's good that Obama has people who are so passionate about him but those are not the ones who will decide this election. I'm talking to those who are more concerned with what Obama will do for them rather than how much they like Obama, and those are the ones I'm talking to.


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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to (2.00 / 5)

I agree completely. His appearances have definitely been coordinated with the Obama campaign. It's no surprise that he started showing up on TV right after he met with Obama.

He was great on Letterman last night. By playing the role of unbiased elder statesmen, he is a much more credible advocate for Obama and the Democratic party. Just by showing his face on TV when the economy is bad, he reminds the American people that life is much better when Democrats run things.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:02:15 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to (2.00 / 4)

My sentiments exactly.  When my New Yorker sister sent around an email this morning complaining about Bill's tepid sounding support, echoing Chris Rock's angry screed of yesterday, I sent her and her other distributees this message:

"I saw a 10 minute excerpt of Bill's appearance on The View, and he was absolutely phenomenal.  What I think is marvelous about the situation is that he doesn't have to be rah rah about anything, he was a two term Democratic President, for God's sake, and just his being there and speaking with intelligence about voter's thought processes, the political dynamics of Obama not wanting Hillary and Hillary maybe not wanting to be Vice and suggesting it all turned out fine, the vast majority of Hillary's supporters have been brought slowly, calmly into the fold - President Clinton presents a fabulous contrast with the soiled Republican brand and can only help people's comfort level voting for the Democratic candidate.  That's my two cents anyway."


by lakelover on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:19:36 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to (none / 0)

And just to solidify your statement, he was on the Daily Show tonight (tuesday night) and said as much as you and the diarist said.  TDS was even cutting to commercial but Bill said wait, [camera still rolling away] "That's why people should vote for Obama and he is going to win" [camera stop - croud applauds].  Jon Stewart even called out a guy for saying I still don't think he (Bill) supports Obama, Bill responded to this by seriously saying "it's good that Obama has such strong support like that."

My Man


by KLRinLA on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:49:30 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to (none / 0)

Just watched that now. I'm glad I had read this to put it in context. He literally spelled it out. He said "We've got the people who love us, now we've got to get some of the other people on board who might not!"


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:19:31 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to (2.00 / 2)

I know! I saw it!! He was great. He completely proved the diarist (and me) correct, especially with that last statement to the guy heckling him that we already have all the "true believers", and the campaign now is about how to appeal to the "average" voter.

If that appearance on the Daily Show isn't good enough for all these doubters, than nothing ever will be.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:34:05 PM EST
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Still not convinced by the Letterman performance.. (2.00 / 2)

... nor with the " Bill can do now wrong" and GOP talking points being thrown around downthread against Obama (not you by the way, some 2 other fools) but I admit that I was wrong.

I love being wrong on this one though.

Fucking love the Big Dog.

But yeah, I apologize to those who's opinion I doubted ( maybe just you). Bill did great on Stewart and I'm glad it went as well as it did.

Somebody must have told him how (fairly or unfairly) he was coming off before.

As I said. Kudos to President Clinton.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:48:06 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letterman (none / 0)

Glad to hear it and glad you enjoyed him on the Daily Show as much as I did. I was starting to wonder about you, but I have newfound respect for your honesty.

I really wonder whether people who found fault with Clinton's appearance did so because of Chris Rock's comments. I did not see Chris Rock on Letterman, so I wasn't influenced by negative characterization of Bill or his untrue claims that he "couldn't say Barack's name" (and I definitely heard Clinton say Barack Obama's name during that interview). I like Chris Rock's comedy plenty, but he makes his living by exaggerating "male/female" and "black/white" differences, which makes it impossible for him to be any sort of voice of reason during this campaign season.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 02:16:15 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

Bill Clinton on Larry King tonight:

So I think that she and her husband and their kids come across gutsy, spirited and real. I have significant disagreements with her about any number of social and economic issues but I find her an appealing person and I think that it's best to say that Senator McCain looks like he knew what he was doing. He picked somebody who gave him a lot of energy, a lot of support.

This is getting to be as ridiculous as Biden's praise of McCain as a "great guy" or whatever. Just freaking stop already.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:05:44 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (2.00 / 1)

Johnny, I think he is not scolding people for being interested in the Palin Phenomenon and letting them know that it's alright to find her story appealing, but he let's them know that that is not important enough to vote for her, that if you want economic security and a better America, Obama is the ticket.  That may hurt our ears but it makes the decision to vote for Obama palatable to those who don't share our enthusiasm (cough informed view cough cough).  And I believe these people remember the good times buring Bill's Administration.  

It is a good idea, though it took me a while to figure out why he has been going on like that.   Remember the convention, he and Hillary bamboozled the media into thinking their support was chilly, quite the opposite right?  Quite an impact right?


by KLRinLA on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:32:23 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton doesn't criticize other people's families, and he's not going to start now.

He's acknowledging the obvious fact that she was a good pick for getting the GOP temporarily excited. Bill Clinton knows politics better than anyone else and he calls them like he sees them. He supports Barack Obama for President. Give it a rest already.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:34:06 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

Such a tiresome comment. Did you even read both comments that I wrote, or were you too eager to play primary games?

No kidding Clinton supports Obama. I've never said he wants McCain to win or is aiming for Hillary '12. I'm questioning his choice of words. You know, like how I also questioned the choice of words by Obama's own running mate.

With all due respect, I'm not going to be forced into silence as if it's verboten to criticize Clinton, Obama or anyone else. If someone makes a comment that's off-message, possibly damaging, flatly mistaken or what have you, people will tend to mention those things around here.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:41:36 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

There's nothing off-message or damaging about what he said. He acknowledged one obvious strength, and then said it wasn't a reason to vote for McCain. It's basically a back-handed compliment.

He's not trying to convince you to vote for Obama because you already are. He's trying to convince other people. Like it or not, there are people who find McCain and Palin appealing, and he's trying to undermine that appeal with a little "I feel your pain" spin. That's Bill's style. He knows how to win elections, and he knows Democrats do not win the White House by only playing to our base. Until you win the White House twice, you could stand to learn something from him by listening to what he's saying instead of expecting him to say what you want to hear.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 05:49:58 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

I know exactly what he's trying to do, and he's explained it himself quite succinctly. That doesn't necessarily mean I agree with how he attempts to do it--or more precisely, the words he chooses in doing so.

Likewise, I understand why Joe Biden used to repeatedly say how he liked McCain, was friends with him, etc. It's the old tactic of the knife cutting deeper when it comes from a friend. But that doesn't mean he didn't go overboard, especially that insane story of McCain and Biden's wife dancing on a table. Notice that Biden's basically dumped the McCain praise from his speeches in recent days.

So likewise, Bill Clinton saying that he "gets why Palin is hot" is a good comment, acknowledging her appeal. The stuff he'll be saying on Larry King strikes me as being a few steps too far. I just don't want him to lean too far overboard, as Biden has done, in trying to show his lack of animus. Leave out some of the praise, and it's not like anyone would notice or care. ("He said nice things about Palin, but why didn't he say nicer things about her?!")

And as far as this...

"Until you win the White House twice, you could stand to learn something from him by listening to what he's saying instead of expecting him to say what you want to hear."

I hate that I have to do this, but your comment forces me to reveal my offline identity. Read 'em and weep.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:03:26 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

He's playing to the audience. Think about who watches Larry King.

Remember, Bill is a "Bubba". He's was a poor kid from a poor state raised by a single mom. He knows what lower income, rural Americans are all about, and he knows how to talk to them. It's a talent Democrats really do need to master to win elections.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:22:48 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

Gotta agree with you here Johnny. Bill plays the elder statesman well, but we all know he's still the big dog, and never has his nose in without a game. Ah well. Doesn't matter. It's a marginal thing now. Glad he's on side. But some people generate TOO MUCH news. I'll get flamed for saying it, but I don't think I'll lose the dems any vote


by duende on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:02:11 PM EST
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Re: Still not convinced by the Letter (none / 0)

I just get tired of people thinking that our politicians are far more clever than they actually are. It's like, if Bill Clinton or Obama or anyone else says something dumb, falls behind in the polls or creates a controversy of some kind, we'll have a bunch of diaries praising the utter BRILLIANCE!! of some remarkably subtle strategy that they are executing with the precision of a brain surgeon.

No matter how much we love 'em, our politicians don't always have everything planned out 10 steps ahead. Sometimes they really DO say something dumb or go off the reservation or get outmaneuvered or what have you.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:14:24 PM EST
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Wow..... (2.00 / 2)

Good call. I was completely fooled. I'm... well, I'm really impressed. Other politicians aren't even in his league. I wonder who came up with this angle.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:39:41 PM EST

Re: Wow..... (2.00 / 6)

Never underestimate the political genius of Bill Clinton. There is a very good reason he's the only 2-term Democratic President since FDR.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:42:56 PM EST
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Re:This is why he won Twice (2.00 / 3)

This is why Bill Clinton has a winning record.

98% of successful politicians who run for national or statewide office are very good at pumping up their base, energizing their left wing or right wing voters, getting their liberal or conservative base all ready to vote.

But very few politicians like a Bill Clinton, the top 2% of all politicians are able to magnificently attract the ALL IMPORTANT Independent voters & ALL CRITICAL Undecided Soft Republican & Soft Democratic Swing voters.

A few here in the liberal base went nuts yesterday because they wanted Bill to attack McCain on The VIEW.

They wanted a Repeat Performance of the TRAGIC Mistake that Liberal Democrats made at the "Memorial for the late Senator Paul Wellstone". While speaker after speaker attacked Republicans non-stop & delighted the liberal base non-stop- Millions of " Independent & Swing Undecided voters we so turned off by the highly partisan attacks. Result- a Dramatic defeat for Mondale & the democrats.

Some in the liberal base KEEP FORGETTING that majority of voters are in the MIDDLE. Majority of voters are NOT Partisan left wing high informed voters.

There's a reason a Bill Clinton with a D in front of his name carried Ohio twice by huge margins. There's a reason a Bill Clinton carried a state like Missouri twice by big margins.  There's a reason a Bill Clinton carried states like Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, Arizona, Montana.

Next time, some here should Shut the F' up before being so critical. He has a track record, you don't.

The Big Dog is the man! Remember that!


by labanman on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:57:44 PM EST
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The reason is Tip O'Neal (none / 0)

::shakes head::

I miss Carter...


*&=4eva
by Blog Surrogate 57 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:47:35 AM EST
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Re: Wow..... (2.00 / 1)

Kudos to the Obama campaign for its patience and consideration in this matter. You won't see surrogates piping up about any viewed concern about the Clintons' support for Obama.

The only person Chris Rock is a surrogate for is Chris Rock.


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:48:59 PM EST
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yes, and let's remember (none / 0)

that there are maybe some cultural differences here.

plus some overall hurt about the direction the primary took near the end.

Let him have his say.

Clinton will do his damn job, and that's all we ask.


*&=4eva
by Blog Surrogate 57 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:49:23 AM EST
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Re: yes, and let's remember (none / 0)

unfortunately, clinton gave mccain a huge photo op that looks painfully like an endorsement.

not helpful,


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:21:38 PM EST
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thank God someone (2.00 / 4)

has not only showed the appropriate honour Bill Clinton has shown, but has realized that what he is saying is the correct thing to say


by Lakrosse on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:40:56 PM EST

The Big Dog is a big draw (2.00 / 4)

Bill Clinton has the power to draw a crowd wherever he goes, and it's not just the party faithful. Here in Asheville, NC he drew thousands on a rainy night to a high school football stadium; thousands who stood on line for hours to see him.

There were plenty of fans, to be sure, but lots of moderates and even Republicans showed up just because they wanted to see a real live POTUS. These are the people who can swing the vote.


by Spiffarino on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:21:45 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 3)

Excellent observation, excellent point. And this was very likely the strategy that was discussed in their previous meetings.

His sell is in the right pitch and right tone for his intended audience. The message is simple: Its okay to like McCain and still vote for Obama.

Good call ryeland, hopefully others (others including surrogates and grassroots campaigners) will see this and follow suit in their messaging over the next several weeks, especially in states like MI, OH, FL, and PA.


by cornbreadprogressive on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:23:20 PM EST

You're right, of course (2.00 / 6)

There are millions of voters out there who are not going to be gaga for Obama, who aren't his fans and who don't find him inspiring. There are millions who still have doubts about him (his youth, his inexperience, his newness on many levels... yes, including race).

Undecided voters who are still choosing their candidate don't have to buy Obama's books and believe in him or swoon at his oratorical skill, they simply need to go to the polls and vote for the Democrat.

That's the message which Bill Clinton is conveying and I have faith that it will work. It is a soft sell, it is positive, it is not over-the-top, it carries weight, gravitas and credibility. He doesn't have to demonize McCain or go over-the-top in his praise of Obama. Everyone on earth knows that Obama was not Bill Clinton's first choice in this race, millions of us can relate to that feeling and the resigned choice to support Obama.


"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been." Hillary Rodham Clinton - June 7, 2008
by twinmom on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:40:26 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell (2.00 / 1)

That's good. Because I thought he might be acting like a petulant little boy who didn't get his way and is doing the absolute minimum required and can't bring himself to even utter Barack Obama's name. Thank goodness.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:11:46 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell (2.00 / 3)

Thank goodness he convinced you. Because you're sounding like a petulent little boy who cannot bring himself to utter a nice word about the most successful Democrat in recent history.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:59:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell (2.00 / 0)

I guess criticizing Democrats is only ok when it's Barack Obama.

Hypocrisy around here is thick.

Your tone and response say more about you than him.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:06:49 PM EST
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We agree on something! (2.00 / 2)

You're completely correct when you say:

Hypocrisy around here is thick.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:16:40 PM EST
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Thanks pumpkin! ;o) (none / 0)


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:20:06 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell (2.00 / 1)

I've said plenty of nice words about Bill. Most recently he's lost my respect. Sorry.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:15:05 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell (none / 0)

 NO! Whatever gave you that idea?


by Lodgemannered on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 06:22:05 AM EST
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I don't know (2.00 / 3)

I'm in the Clinton fan club but it seems that he certainly has no love at all for Obama and he's having some difficulty faking it.

That said, the guy did provide some pretty interesting analysis (it sounds like he's one of the few people predicting a big win) and certainly has returned to the statesman role.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:36:09 PM EST

Re: I don't know (2.00 / 7)

Bill doesn't need to have love for Obama and he shouldn't fake it. He loves this country and is encouraging people to vote for Obama for the country's sake. That's what really matters.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:55:27 PM EST
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and he kisses puppies and he wants world peace! nt (none / 0)


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:34:40 PM EST
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Bingo! (2.00 / 2)

You can say he's not a big fan of Obama, but he loves his country and will do what's best for it.

Bully for Bill and Hill.


by Spiffarino on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:40:55 PM EST
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Re: I don't know (2.00 / 3)

I agree. I'm not out to give Clinton grief, and I never became a rabid Clinton-hater during the primary, but I really just don't see what this diary is suggesting.

If he wanted to be a wise elder-statesman giving "analysis" rather than a campaign pitch, that's fine. But he could bolster Obama in a way that sounds rational and detached, rather than simple shilling. He really hasn't done that at all.

I have no doubt that at some point, Bill will make a campaign appearance, it will draw huge media, and people here will praise Bill/Obama to the high heavens for their "strategy," just as they did after his Convention speech.

But I agree with you, Blazers Edge. He can barely bring himself to mention Obama, and seems completely disinvested from this race. In 2004, he supposedly didn't care for Kerry all that much, but he certainly praised him. I have no doubt that Clinton would've been campaigning non-stop for Kerry if not for the bypass surgery, and even afterward, he hurried back from his recovery to give that terrific Philadelphia speech.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:02:03 PM EST
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Agreed. See downthread. (none / 0)

Bill is looking out for Bill and the Democratic party. Nothing wrong with that. I never thought he'd be a huge Obama cheerleader. Big Dog has a huge ego and has nothing to gain really. Hillary on the other hand IS working directly with the Obama camp on messaging.

Hillary is Hillary.

Bill is Bill.

Hillary will stump hard for Obama. Bill won't.

As I said. What's wrong with that?


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:11:12 PM EST
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Re: Agreed. See downthread. (2.00 / 2)

What's wrong with it is that, assuming this to be true, it's unimaginable that the republicans would ever stay fractured like that. Although they may be a load of douchebags, they understand the stakes in these elections and always fall in line.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:17:43 PM EST
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You see the interview? (2.00 / 2)

As I said. It seems people around her believe that only people who supporterd Hillary during the primary can criticize Bill. As if we didn't stand by him during his darkest hours. My autographed Bill Clinton book is on my coffee table. I was an Edwards supporeter before so I can fairly easily say Bill is my favorite Democrat.

He has a huge ego though. When Letterman spoke of Biden, Bill could only talk in plural sense.

Oh yeah! We brought peace to Bosnia!  We brought democracy to Hait! Me. Me. Me. Which is cool. More power to him. But trying to see a brilliant campaign strategy here is a bit of a stretch.

It is what it is. Let's be happy with the epic speech he gave in the D.C. and leave it at that.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:30:05 PM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 2)

I saw it and I think you're missing his point. I thought the "We" thing about Biden was an effort to cast Biden as part of the Clinton club and make HRC supporters feel like he's a decent surrogate. I think he was specifically talking people who aren't totally thrilled with the Democratic ticket and saying: "Look, WE are all on the same side on these issues. WE do want the same things for our country. WE can achieve these things when we work together."

And of course Bill has a massive ego. Every politician does. He's just more transparent than most people, which is also why he's so beloved -- he's a real person with real flaws.


by LakersFan on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:44:24 PM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 1)

I saw it and I think you're missing his point. I thought the "We" thing about Biden was an effort to cast Biden as part of the Clinton club and make HRC supporters feel like he's a decent surrogate. I think he was specifically talking people who aren't totally thrilled with the Democratic ticket and saying: "Look, WE are all on the same side on these issues. WE do want the same things for our country. WE can achieve these things when we work together."

I thought about that. If he was being as deliberate as you say he was with his words. Well then the rest of the interview and his attitude are even clearer. It's one or the other.

Personally lost me when he talked about Hillary's proposal. I cringed and thought, hey! Nothing to see here. I mean, maybe Bill thought he was back in the primaries again.

I'm no body language expert but it was obvious Bill was not there to promote Barack Obama. I read Barbara Walters said it was Bill who called them up to appear on her show. Bill is doing the media tour for himself.

He's on Fox right now.

Headline under him.

FMR PRESIDENT CLINTON TALKS ABOUT REV.WRIGHT, SEN OBAMA & TODD PALIN.

Nice touch from Faux.

Let's see how the interview goes and we can continue this discussion afterwards. I stand by what I said about Letterman (and the View for that matter). If he wants to stump for Obama I would be thrilled. If he doesn't I'll understand as well.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:08:53 PM EST
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Wright question caught him off guard (2.00 / 2)

He had no idea how to answer the question.  Susteran blindsided him.  Hopefully that moment will be swept under the table.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:13:36 PM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 1)

He lost you when he talked about Hillary's proposal? What other proposal was he supposed to talk about? Bush's? She is one of the handful of Democrats who is deeply knowledgeable about the mortgage crisis and who has been promoting a plan for years.

Obama has avoided offering any specifics saying that "he does not want his specific preferences to politicize the Congressional and White House negotiations." So it's not like there is some Obama plan President Clinton can advocate for. During the primary Obama attacked Clinton's proposals for the mortgage crisis, calling them "disastrous," instead he suggested a $10 billion dollar fund to address what is more like a $1 trillion dollar problem.

Clinton is on these shows to promote the CGI, he does this circuit every year. Not everything is about Obama.


by souvarine on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 11:18:33 PM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (none / 0)

The primary is over.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:00:08 AM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 1)

Exactly, it is beyond time for you guys to get over your Hillary and Bill Clinton hangups and start pulling with them and the rest of the Democratic party to solve these problems. Obama has embraced the principle that we must help "the millions of innocent homeowners who are facing foreclosure."

If you think we have the wrong solutions then maybe this party is not for you.


by souvarine on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:08:18 AM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (none / 0)

Obama's stand right now is to be thoughtful and not play partisan politics during these sensitive negotiations - do you want him to come out screaming and making rash decisions on policy without taking a deep breath like McCain?

Obama talked about the mortgage crisis in August 2007- thoroughly analyzed it and came up with a sound plan.  Google it.


by mariannie on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:59:34 AM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 1)

No, I wanted Obama to abandon his 2007 "sound plan" that was dismissed at the time as entirely inadequate to the problem and embrace Hillary Clinton's plan.

And today that is exactly what Obama did. Bill Clinton was touting Hillary's proposal because it is the best solution to the problem, not because he was "back in the primaries," nor because he is proud of her. And now Obama is touting it too, as I expected he would, because he is a smart guy.


by souvarine on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:18:38 AM EST
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It will be easier to pull together (none / 0)

if we have a Democrat in the White House.  That seems like it should be a priority issue, not Big Dog's ego.


by Dumbo on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:14:12 AM EST
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Re: You see the interview? (2.00 / 1)

Not sure what you mean about the rest of the interview and his attitude being clearer.

As far as talking about Hillary, the one thing that became very apparent during the primaries is that Bill loves her. Lots. He just can't help himself when it comes to Hillary. He's very defensive about her, extremely proud of her, and he likes promoting her.

I would expect that Clinton called Barbara Walters. This media tour is being coordinated by/with the Obama campaign. Bill can get media time with a simple phone call, and that's a good thing for Democrats.

This is Clinton's way of stumping for Obama. He's promoting the brand.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:25:27 AM EST
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We is necessary there!! (none / 0)

He was the executive, for goodness sakes! We means that he worked with Biden. It implies a close working relationship -- which gives an assessment its validity.


*&=4eva
by Blog Surrogate 57 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 07:52:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you personal friends with (2.00 / 2)

the Clintons?  Have you had one on one hours with Bill, enough so anyone should believe you about "his huge ego?"

I am so sick of this kind of personal crap.  As if you know what makes one person tick....and why he is doing what he is doing.

The Obama base consistently risks turning off people who are letting go of their anger at the Obama campaign with crap like this.


by Jjc2008 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:33:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know (2.00 / 2)

Why kind of love do you want?

What more do you want from the Clinton's ?

Do you think Barack loves Hillary ?

You & VCalzone were one of the few that immediately jumped on Bill Clinton without reason.

You'd rather see Bill smack McCain direct on TV at the expense of losing non-partisan swing voters.

Some here never learned from the Liberal bashing display at the Paul Wellstone event.

As long as they feel good, they don't give a shit about the consequences. Then they wonder why Kerry or Gore could not win heartland states like Ohio & Missouri like Bill Clinton did TWICE.


by labanman on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:07:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You just came off like such a fool. n/t (none / 0)


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:13:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And you know that was ..... (2.00 / 1)

totally uncalled for.

The person you just called a fool had some very salient points.

It's time you let go of your ill feelings for Bill: they harm him not at all, but they'll consume you if you let them.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:16:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And you know that was ..... (none / 0)

I usually respect your posts but this strawman is bullshit emsprater.  

Supporters of Hillary Clinton during the primary don't have the market covered on being HUGE  Clinton supporters.

You didn't bother to read my other posts on this thread before posting this which means all you wanted to do is use the tired old " Clinton Derengement" card.

I suggest you read up on my comments history or take my word in this thread before you go launching accusations. I have a stellar reputation when it comes to all things Clinton. I h'rate trolls and go after smear artiststs hard but I NEVER, EVER have had a negative thing to say about the Clintons.

If you find 1 post of mine which contradicts this ( you won't, you can try) or 1 REAL Clinton supporter who thinks differently I'll take everything back. Don't hold your breath though.

I can be critical of them if I feel like it without having to defend myself against the usual deadender and PUMA talking points.

The person I called a fool deserved to be called a fool and I don't think the Knight in Shining Armor act is needed around here. He/She is all grown up and can defens her/hiself.

Again, I've had great conversations with you before (looks like you don't remember) which makes this post surprising. You're one of the more controversial commenters when it comes to criticizcing Obama around here and I've never said a word. Unlike you, I take into consideration the reputation of the blogger before I launch ad hominem attacks.

That's the only reason I wrote this long response. To think I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt.

Don't bother responding. I won't answer.

Have a good night.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:27:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Responding anyway. (none / 0)

Sorry I hurt your feelings.

Yes, I know you have a great record in regards to sometimes defending the Clintons.  That had nothing to do with  my remark regarding your telling someone who makes valid points that they look like a fool.

I do remember our conversations which is why I was taken aback by your remark and thought I could tell you it was not needed.

Post primary, my criticism of Obama has been cool to tepid, and  if it's controversial, that's news to me, as I openly support his candidacy.  I've blatantly 'called out' the PUMAs by renaming them "Selfish Obnoxious Whiners" in multiple posts.

I think both of us can be 'catty' at times, but I still feel your remark was not necessary.  Conversely, my  statement to you wasn't either, because yours was already there for all the rest of MyDD to judge.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:49:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't know (2.00 / 1)

It's true, it's all true. Look at what he said on the Daily Show (taking the liberty of stealing someone else's comment):

Clinton said "It's good that Obama has people who are so passionate about him but those are not the ones who will decide this election. I'm talking to those who are more concerned with what Obama will do for THEM rather than how much they like Obama,and those are the ones I'm talking to."

Had I not seen this post, I probably would not have been able to put this quote into proper context and I might still think he was being obtuse. He's not, he's just on a completely different level from the rest of us.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:23:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The Clinton's Campaign Role (2.00 / 2)

Of course the Clintons and the Obama campaign are working hand-in-hand. They couldn't be handling it any better.

If Hillary would have come out guns blazing in support of Obama right out of the gate, it would have looked insincere and staged. Giving her most enthusiastic supporters some time to accept Obama made a lot of sense, considering the long period of time she was viewed as the presumptive nominee.

With Bill, why would he provide his psychotic enemies on the right more time to paint him as an avid partisan? People remember the good times now more than ever.

This shows that Democrats are learning how to run on their strengths with creativity and guile.


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 08:41:02 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 2)

I'm a huge Bill Clinton fan. All though I'm not an obssesive stalker like Diamond "Bigot" Jay a.k.a. Lakrosse upthread. He probably bought the Big Dog's boxers online and sniffes them before he goes to bed.

Oh yeah. This is a preemptive strike on this douche. I'm sure he won't appreciate somebody saying Bill was less than enthusiastic on bot the The View and Letterman.

I saw him on Letterman (live) and I disagree with your analysis on this point.

Chris Rock was right and the way the crowd erupted and immediately understood what he meant when he said ...

"He can't even say Barack Obama" says more than anything else.

That line got the biggest laugh and it wasn't even the funniest.

Why? He broke the OBVIOUS tension. Bill doesn't hide his feelings well.

I'm not complainging. As I said. I'm a much bigger BILL Clinton fan than an Obama fan but it is what it is.

All Democrats should be happy with the speech he gave  at the D.C. and leave it at that.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:03:58 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 3)

Spiff, upthread you pointedly remarked "The primary is over." I take you at your word that you want to get past the primary p*ssing match, so I thought you might like to clarify your admiring words about Chris Rock's performance.

Frankly, I thought he embarrased himself by yelling "HILLARY LOST!!!!" about 10 times, while Dave stammered along trying to calm him down.

He asked why Bill talked so much about Hillary and not Barack. Gee, could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that he's married to Hillary, and not to Barack? If the primary were reversed, and Michelle was on Letterman, do you think perhaps she might mention Barack a few times, even though he had lost to Hillary in the primary? After all, he's still a U.S. Senator, and still her husband, right? And if she did, and Tina Fey followed her as a guest and ripped her a new one for not talking about Hillary because "BARACK LOST!!! HE LOST!!! HE LOST!!!", how would that come off to you? Just a tad petty, perhaps?

By the way, he did mention Senator Obama, and said he was planning a campaign appearance for him. I guess you and Chris missed that part of the interview.

If there was one of the two guests who has not let go of the primary battle yet, it was not Bill Clinton.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:37:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Let Bill be Bill (none / 0)

I don't share your view that the reason is some kind of media strategy.  He probably thinks the abject shilling that surrogates have to do is beneath a former President, and Obama probably isn't his favorite person in the world.  But Obama/McCain has his its own dynamic now and Bill isn't hurting anything.    


by JJE on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 09:55:58 PM EST

Bill C has ALWAYS talked against (2.00 / 5)

.... "demonizing" your opponent, trying to make cartoon characters out of people.

I saw him on The View and he is, IMHO, absolutely right.  People vote for many different reasons.  Some of us are yellow dog Democrats and wouldn't vote for a Republican or independent EVER.  Many like to think of themselves as "voting for the man" not the party.  BTW, that's largely said by Repubilcans who always vote Republican.

I LIKE the fact that he doesn't need to tromp on McCain or Palin in order to encourage people to vote for Barack.  

It is totally in line with Barack-speak who constantly proclaims that we need to stop the partisan bickering and work together.

It was Bill Clinton who said "there's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America."  


by Southern Mouth on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:19:03 PM EST

I liked him on Letterman (2.00 / 4)

I can understand why some people don't, but I did. Here's why:

I think we'd all just love to see Bill attack McCain and champion Obama exactly the way he would've had Hillary been the candidate. It'd give us all nice warm fuzzies about what a great guy he is and what a great guy Obama is and how we're a big happy family. It'd play great to the home crowd.

Problem is, he already did that in Denver. People who cared, watched.

Most of the appearance was just about Bill and his foundation. That's fine; he's got things to do other than just campaign. Hillary's out working hard for Obama; do you really think, whatever either really think about Obama, that she'd be out gung-ho for Obama and Bill would be playing tepid on purpose, undercutting her?

The last part was key. I've seen a lot of analysis that gives a bunch of reasons why undecideds are going to walk up to vote and decide at the last second to vote McCain. Most of them revolve around him being either the "safe" choice or his war record. Bill did the best he could to tilt the scale the other way. No one that was being strongly partisan could do that. Someone who says "bad McCain bad McCain bad bad bad nasty McCain" has no credibility to then say "McCain's sacrifice is admirable, and you can believe that and think he's pretty great, and yet also think Obama's a better choice for the country".

Bill is carefully positioned to be able to say nice things about McCain and then sow the seeds of doubt and apply a thin knife between the shoulderblades. I think he was positioning himself to do the same had it been Hillary running -- say a few nice things about McCain, then laugh softly and say, but of course Hillary is a better choice for the country.

But let's say I'm wrong. Let's say Bill is just playing tepid and just supporting Bill. What of it? What he said helped. Attacking him doesn't. He's very popular with a lot of people out there (and for good reason).

Attacking him and/or launching into the primary wars doesn't get us more votes in November.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 10:31:31 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (none / 0)

Links?

I spend a lot of time at Dkos.  Didn't see these diaries.  Must have been the invisible ones.

I love Bill Clinton.  I'd have been mad.  Good thing they wrote them in disappearing bits.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:37:58 AM EST

disappearing bits (none / 0)

Guess you did miss them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/ 21028/4794
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/ 20470/1485
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/ 131251/856/563/607597
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/23/ 102540/543/788/607380


by ryeland on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 08:27:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: disappearing bits (none / 0)

'Fervent, outraged' tones?  


by mariannie on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:23:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Simply brilliant. (none / 0)

I hope you've crossposted this elsewhere. LOTS of elsewheres.


If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution
by Maryscott OConnor on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:38:59 AM EST

Bill will never be good enough for (2.00 / 3)

people who think Senator Obama should be worshipped and idolized.  It's a mentality I do not get and will never get.  
They are the bitter ones. How dare people not worship "the one"?!  I call it the Oprah mentality, the American Idol mentality, the mentality of Americans that worship fame.....

I never felt that way about Bill  or Hillary or Al or any politician. I don't feel that way about Brad or Angelina or some singer or rock or anyway.  I outgrew that kind of swooning at about age 16.  

But apparently lots, even the political junkies have that.  The blind admiration of Olberman, Maddow, and the worship of Senator Obama.

Sheesh.

A jerk on Huffpo literally called out Bill and as said that if Obama loses, it's all Bill's fault.  HUH?  This bozo gets to write a column echoing the sentiments of a 12 year old world view??????
Why isn't Jimmy Carter being trashed for not doing more?  Or Al Gore?  Or John Kerry?

Give me a break.  The voters need to freaking grow up.  Bill Clinton is not the reason Obama wins or loses.  Obama is.  Period. End of discussion.


by Jjc2008 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:42:18 AM EST

Re: Bill will never be good enough for (none / 0)

I did feel that way about Al... Sigh...


by carrieboberry on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 09:49:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill will never be good enough for (none / 0)

You are right, this is Obama's show, to win or lose on his own and he will do that.  I don't see Obama blaming Clinton for anything - he seems to be keeping his distance in terms of comments and stumping.

But please give up this very tiring description of obama supporters - blind admiration of Olberman, Maddow and worship Obama - I do not see any of this at all.  He has his supporters and just because you are not one of them doesn't mean those that are drink kool aid (god, I hate that phrase!) every day.

Go to some of the PUMA or pro-Hillary sites - the absolute WORSHIP of her as a Goddess of sorts is pretty striking.  Photos of their idol, gazing into the distance....whew!  That along with the absolute Obama hate is pretty old but its still there, every single day.


by mariannie on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:30:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And apparently YOU know all, (none / 0)

and see all, and have the right to tell me how to see the world???

Uh, no thanks and please do not instruct me where to go post or what to post.  Last I heard free speech was a right for ALL dems.


by Jjc2008 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 03:10:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bullshit. (2.00 / 0)

Sorry.  I suppose it's better if we believe fairy tales like this rather than the obvious truth.  Chris Rock nailed it.  

Surrogates stumping for a candidate don't usually praise the opposing candidate like this.  And rather than being a brilliant soft-sell, it only serves to further the already widespread media narrative that the Clintons are holding a grudge.  That hurts rather than helps.  If he can't make a strong showing of obvious and not "non-partisan" support for Obama then he should probably take a vacation until the election is over.  Not that he'll take my advice.


by Dumbo on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 10:18:44 AM EST

Well, at least your name is apt (none / 0)

Chris Rock needs somebody to tell him to grow up, like Sean Penn did at the Oscars a few years back.


by bouvougan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:37:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bill should just shut up. (none / 0)

I used to be a big Bill Clinton fan, but if he can't open his mouth without praising McCain and drooling over Palin then he should just go away until Nov. 5. His strategy seems to be to gain votes for McCain/Palin while mouthing half-hearted support for the Democratic ticket.

Maureen Dowd hit the nail on the head this morning.

"I come from Arkansas. I get why she is hot out there," he said authoritatively, adding: "People look at her, and they say, `All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family. I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married.' " He said voters would think: "I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street. They're wonderful. ... And I like the idea that this guy does those long-distance races. Stayed in the race for 500 miles with a broken arm. My kind of guy."

On "The View," he said he understood that some women might vote for Palin on the basis of gender, even if it was against their economic interest.

"You can't tell someone else that the ground on which they make their voting decision is irrational," he said primly.

Well, actually you could, if you weren't still sulking and plotting for 2012.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:00:23 AM EST

So Bill Clinton is politically stoopid (2.00 / 2)

and Maureen Dowd knows all?

heh.


by andgarden on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:50:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Maureen Dowd, Chris Matthews, (2.00 / 1)

all the kind of icons progressives believe.....8(

Here's a clue:  Bill Clinton has been out doing a lot of things: setting up foundations to give people in poor communities a better chance at succeeding; setting up initiatives to save people from dying from aids/starvation or both.

But, stomp your feet and have a fit along with good old Tweety and friends...and damn that evil Bill Clinton for not worshipping the way you want him to.


by Jjc2008 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 08:27:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 3)

He said it beautifully on Jon Stewart last night, where he was the guest. A man in the audience had complained that Clinton wasn't strong enough for Obama on Letterman the night before.

Clinton said "It's good that Obama has people who are so passionate about him but those are not the ones who will decide this election. I'm talking to those who are more concerned with what Obama will do for THEM rather than how much they like Obama,and those are the ones I'm talking to."


by Hedda Lettuce1 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:10:56 AM EST

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (none / 0)

So in one fell swoop Bill says that if you're committed to Obama you're not concerned about what he'll do and plays into the Republican meme that the Obama campaign is more emotion than substance.  Bill gives the impression he can't both be positive about Obama AND talk about substance. How ridiculous.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 11:32:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 2)

Um... no. He's saying that Obama can't waste time campaigning to people who are already planning to vote for him. Well, scratch that, he's not even saying that! He's saying that HE and HILLARY can't waste time campaigning to people planning to vote for him.

What he is doing is ugly but necessary. If you really believe Obama even partially means it when he says that the election is about us, not him, you should understand that.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 2)

That was the best John Stewart interview I've seen for a while.  B. Clinton was at his best.  I'm not worried, he's on board - he dosen't want McCain to win, he wants Obama to win.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 12:38:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 2)

He wants the Democrats to win, and that is all I think anyone could really ask for.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 02:42:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Except I don't think I believe that. (none / 0)

Watching Bill of late, I think he'd like to get away with doing as little as necessary to not ostracize the party, but that he wants Obama to lose.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:29:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bill Clinton's Campaign Role: A Soft-Sell to U (2.00 / 1)

It should be all that any Democrat could ask for. You gotta wonder about the people who say he's not doing enough.


by LakersFan on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 04:22:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yup (2.00 / 1)

I agree that Bill's soft sell is a good sell. He's captivating when he speaks and his points are very logical.
Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 01:04:12 PM EST

I respect HRC more than Bill (none / 0)

Bill has always been about...Bill.  Monica, the finger pointing 'I did not have relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky', the whole freakin' nine yards.  It is painfully obvious to virtually anybody who isn't enthralled with Bill.  I am not a huge fan of HRC, but after learning how she denied the whole 'BHO is not really one of us' campaign ideas from Penn, I found myself really, really wanting HRC to be VP.  

The problem with Bill's 'soft sell' is that is cuts both ways: it MIGHT work with independents, but it always might turn off portions of the base (i.e. working class whites who may not vote for Obama).  The 'soft sell' is your inference and is yet to be really proven, either way.

If Bill flat-out attacked McCain, well, then, there is NO denying whose side he's on.  This rather nebulous, free flowing 'elder statesmen' approach would be fine except that there are lingering suspicions (and CLEARLY BILL IS AWARE OF THESE LINGERING SUSPICIONS) that Bill might be still holding a grudge.  He's a competitive guy who doesn't like to lose.  

One thing we all can agree on: the approach that he took allowed for MULTIPLE interpretations and clearly Bill knew that there was that possibility.  


by yankeeinmemphis on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 02:11:55 AM EST

While this is a wonderful diary... (none / 0)

I wish I could say that it changes people's minds, but those of us with CDS will never truly be swayed, short of Bill deep throating Barack on a live feed from Obama's bedroom, while simultaneously calling him the "Supreme Potentate". While my description in a touch crude, it is exactly true.

The reason why I've come to respect Senator Obama little bit more is that in many ways, he is Bill Clinton part two. Some of the Bill bashers would do well to realize that.

But hey, the attack dogs like Kathleen Sebelius, John Kerry, Joe Biden, et al, must know more than the Big Dog about winning Presidential elections, right?

Oh...wait...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 04:12:22 AM EST


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