Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout

The numbers are not good for the Bush bailout plan:

The more voters learn about the proposed $700 billion federal bailout plan for the U.S. economy, the more they don't like it, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken Monday night.

Now 44% oppose the taxpayer-backed plan, up seven points from 37% yesterday. Twenty-five percent (25%) support it now, versus 28% in the earlier poll. Thirty-five percent (35%) were undecided before; now 31% are (demographic crosstabs available for Premium Members).

While 35% think the bailout plan will help the economy, nearly as many (30%) say it will hurt, and 13% believe it will have no impact at all.

But, despite their concerns, 74% of voters also believe it is at least somewhat likely to be approved by Congress this week.

The way this bailout has been discussed in the establishment media, it would seem as though the Bush plan enjoyed the overwhelming support of the American people, that voters strongly endorsed the idea of throwing $700 billion to the financial sector, whose policies and actions were in many ways a leading cause of the current economic downturn. Yet this is clearly not the case. A scant quarter of likely voters favor the Bush bailout, with a plurality opposing the plan. While there may be a political price to be paid if nothing is passed, it's not clear to me that there is much of a political price to be paid if this pan is not passed.

There are other options out there that Congress needs to pay heed to. One is to take time, and use an abundance of caution. The Bush administration has not made a compelling argument that a plan must be jammed through Congress and signed into law immediately. Another is to try the plan in chunks. Chuck Schumer today noted that the Treasury plan would spend about $50 billion per month for buybacks of bad debt, so why couldn't $150 billion -- a huge amount of money still, but not one that would lead to the greatest deficit in several decades -- be allocated for a trial of program, with Congress coming back in January to consider expanding the expenditures?

I'm sure there are other choices as well, and though I am not sufficiently schooled in economics to gauge the efficacy of such plans, what I do know is that on a political level there is a real willingness within the public to consider plans in addition to the one put forward by the Bush administration -- and it would be in the interest of Democrats, as well as (and more importantly) the country as a whole, for Congress to consider all of its options.

Update [2008-9-23 15:24:11 by Jonathan Singer]: Reuters -- "Resentment grows over Wall Street bailout plan"



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Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

Is the democratic leadership smart enough to realize that this is a bait and switch by the republicans to make us look bad?

That they need to insist that any "bailout" requires significant republican votes?

Oh, why am I even asking?  Of course they don't!


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 02:44:40 PM EST

Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

No bailout without equity.  No bailout without help for homeowners.  If we're gonna spend that kinda cash, I want a return, damnit.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:02:37 PM EST

Re: If we're gonna spend that kinda cash (none / 0)

I think it's worse than that.  The Bush Admin has been sitting on this plan for months, aparently:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/28599-1.htm l?type=printer_friendly


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 04:41:27 PM EST
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Re: If we're gonna spend that kinda cash (none / 0)

It is obvious none of these experts saw it coming a few years ago or even a year ago. So why are we to believe the same experts now that they can fix things for the next few years with this bailout?


by Pravin on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:53:29 PM EST
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Re: If we're gonna spend that kinda cash (none / 0)

Either way, it doesnt bode well for our confidence in them.


by Pravin on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 04:56:34 PM EST
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Re: If we're gonna spend that kinda cash (none / 0)

Them refers to most of our politicians. DEms failed to serve as a loud enough oppposition to the Bush regime.


by Pravin on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 05:42:27 PM EST
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Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

An excellent article by Stephen Kaus and to the point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-ka us/make-the-banks-pay-the-go_b_128353.ht ml

Say NO to the bailout.


by Pravin on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:05:36 PM EST

Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

How about we let it collapse and then rebuild a progressive bottom up economy with oversight that is responsible not only with regard to economic risk for the wealthy, but also with regard to economic risk to the rest of us and with regard to  ecological risk to the world?


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:12:46 PM EST

Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

I agree the Bush plan is greatly flawed and needs to be modified as NewOaklandDem says above.  However, I do think the $700B number being thrown around is misleading, since a lot of the mortgages are OK (about 50%) and many of the others could be rescued via restructuring.  So in the end, I think the net cost would be a lot lower.  Still need to help homeowners, have stringent oversight, and make sure no execs who take the bailout get to profit from it.


by LanceS on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:14:16 PM EST

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What also conderns me is that "healthy" companies may participate in the plan.  We'd be handing out money to firms that would be able to take the hit.  Yay!  Free Money!  Maybe we could all buy up bad mortgages and get a peice of that sweet, sweet bailout.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:28:11 PM EST
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How about no bailout with our money (none / 0)

I have yet to hear the democrats enunciate this. But I think a resounding message would be: "No bailout with taxpayer money". What happens if we don't bail these people out?


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:30:04 PM EST

Experation date of BILL: January 19,2009 (none / 0)

 Whatever Congress decides, this plan should be in force only until January 19,2009.  King George has no right to try to influence the next Presidents domestic policy like has the next pres's foreign policy options.

 If, and if the Repugs want to try to make a "good" bill instead of a political stunt for the elections, this bill HAS to contain help for main street, supervision of all Federal Buys, a much smaller federal pie to split up, and a experation date of January 19,2009.

 The NEXT President should lead this, not the current King, whose Monarchy has been responsible for most of the lack of oversight the last 8 years.


by ocdemocrat on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:33:20 PM EST

Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

 On a second thought to above, this will be the BEST TEST of what our new President will be like in a leadership role.

 The new President will have approximately 10 weeks to present his new Economic Whatever plan.  This will be expected of our new leader; he Knows that his first bill with have to deal with the then current economy.

 We will know within days whether our new President is a Leader, with new ideas and well thought out plans to "rescue" America, or a Follower, presenting the same old, tired ideas of the past.  I hope for, and am voting for the LEADER!


by ocdemocrat on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 03:40:59 PM EST

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At a minimum, please tell congressional leaders to oppose any blank check for the Bush administration's Wall Street bailout!

Progressive Future has a great online action that allows you to send an email directly to Pelosi telling her that, if we are going to hand over $700 billion, we need to demand:

* Better oversight and regulation of financial markets.

* Help for the people who are struggling to stay in their homes.

* No "golden parachutes" for the CEOs of failed corporations that benefit from the bailout.

You can find the email action here - it's quick and simple.

Please sign it today.  Don't let them push this massive, historic bailout through without the consideration it deserves and the changes that must be made to safeguard the interests of the American people.


by ProgressiveReb on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 04:39:59 PM EST

How to get the Dem leadership to LISTEN? (none / 0)

NOBODY favors this bailout plan. Not the Democrats. Not the citizens. Not even the Republican right!

So why will our Democratic friends in Congress knuckle under for such a thing?

Where is Hillary on this. Why doesn't anyone give Dodd some backup? Can't Obama swing some weight?

Why are the limp Democrats in Congress so ready to genuflect and give away the store?

I've called Feinstein, Boxer and my rep in California (and all their lines were busy); I've signed a petition. But have not got much hope on this.

Is there nothing we can do??


by MS on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:21:04 PM EST

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Call your representative and Senators!  I had a great conversation with a staffer at my Rep's office today.  I couldn't get through to my Senators so I sent e-mails instead.  But they are interested in hearing what you have to say.


by writerswrite on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 05:55:47 PM EST

Re: Americans Don't Favor the Bush Bailout (none / 0)

A lot of Lucent employees lost a TON of money when their shares tanked nearly a decade ago. WHERE WAS THEIR BAILOUT? My friend lost 100K  in the stockmarket after the dotcom bubble burst. WHERE IS HIS BAILOUT? Life is tough.

Why are the DEmocrats always playing defense? When people proposed bailouts for individual homeowners earlier in the year, conservatives went on the offense. Democrats had to make many concessions(For the record, I have little sympathy for most individuals who were in over their head on mortgages).

But now, when Wall Street needs a bailout, we need to rescue them?

Very few economists have  a track record of predicting things accurately. Macroeconomics is tough to understand for most people. Just let the free market go all the way to the natural conclusion and then use the money to provide social services, healthcare and improved welfare for any people devastated in the aftermath of this stuff.

I have lived life responsibly. I have never spent beyond my means. Where is my government money?

THis does not mean I am against government helping out poor people with other programs so they won't feel the need to overstretch themselves with bad loans.

Now we have execs who are leeches who have cashed in their profits but do not share in the losses that were generated either partly or fully under their watch. A few more incidents like this and you will see South American style rebels start kidnapping family members of these bastards and demanding ransom.

NO BAILOUTS FOR WALL STREET. Do not be led by fear. Your life will go on even if there isnt a single bailout. DO not fall for this politics of fear.


by Pravin on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 06:51:21 PM EST

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The reason Bush wants to rush the bailout is to avoid panic and a run on the bank.

If congress dithers and irrational behavior in the market causes runs on banks it could cause a lot of hurt.

Granted, the Bush plan is flawed and I don't like it.  But there is also a risk for inaction. So hopefully we can get a consensus and move forward quickly.  

If banks start crashing people will start pointing fingers and that will also get us nowhere.


by dMarx on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:41:48 PM EST

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This plan is crap, and only serves to bail out those firms that gambled and lost.  We're aparently on the hook for forgien forms as well.

Back to the drawing board, we need a better plan, like Frank's or Dodd's, but with teeth:

Cap executuve pay for participationg firms.  Goverment equity in bailed out firms.  Help for homeowners.  New regulatory powers for the Fed and Congress.  Congressional oversite for the proposed program.

Now, there's a plan that I can get behind.


by NewOaklandDem on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 07:56:03 PM EST
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