No Blank Check

Paul Krugman yesterday, having looked at the leaked bailout proposal, declared "No deal." One of the reasons he cited:

...there's no quid pro quo here -- nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.

In a speech today, Barack Obama expressed similar reservations and insisted that congress not give Paulson a "blank check."

"[T]hus far, the Administration has only offered a concept with a staggering price tag, not a plan," Obama said in a statement. "This crisis started with homeowners and they bear the brunt of the nearly unprecedented collapse in housing prices. We cannot have a plan for Wall Street banks that does not help homeowners stay in their homes and help distressed communities." [...]

"If we grant the Treasury broad authority to address the immediate crisis, we must insist on independent accountability and oversight," Obama said. "Given the breach of trust we have seen and the magnitude of the taxpayer money involved, there can be no blank check."

In a statement, Speaker Nancy Pelosi concurred:

"We will not simply hand over a $700 billion blank check to Wall Street and hope for a better outcome. Democrats will act responsibly to insulate Main Street from Wall Street.

As did Hillary Clinton:

When the American people, facing a foreclosure crisis and struggling economy, turned to this administration for help, the answer was no. Now, the administration is turning to the American people for help, to rescue the credit markets and take on hundreds of billions in debt and financial obligations as a consequence of that same foreclosure crisis. The truth is, Main Street came to Washington and got little. Now Washington is coming to Main Street and asking for a lot. The American people deserve to know that this isn't a blank check. While the need to address the current crisis is clear, I will only support steps that will prevent a widening crisis, tackle the worst kinds of abuse tolerated for too long by the Bush administration, and address the root problems at work.

That's all well and good for our Democratic leaders to talk tough, but, as dday notes...

...the question is whether [Obama]'s willing to fight for it. Or rather, signal to his party to fight.

From what he's seen so far, Krugman is not terribly optimistic.

The Obama people -- and the Congressional Democrats -- do know that the Republicans will run a populist campaign against them on the basis that they voted for a horrible big-government program, don't they?

But there are some signs that congressional Democrats are appropriately skeptical. As The Politico reports:

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) says he's seen this movie before: The Bush administration, citing an unprecedented national threat, puts the hammer on Congress to ram through gargantuan legislation with a minimum of review -- and the murkiest of repercussions.

And Matt Stoller has collected some outright angry e-mails (HERE and HERE) from anonymous Democratic members of congress that do seem to signal a strong "Hell No!" caucus among the members.

But will Congressional Democrats do the right thing this time where they've caved so many times before? The likelihood is that pressure to do the right thing will not come from the top, it's going to have to come from us, so call your member of congress tomorrow and insist: no blank check for Paulson.

Update [2008-9-21 22:20:16 by Todd Beeton]:Some clues tonight as to emerging Democratic amendments to the administration's proposed bailout plan:

Democrats said the plan would need to provide more specific relief for troubled homeowners. They said the program, which the administration proposed to be run by Treasury, would have to be more accountable to Congress. And they said that the plan must restrict the compensation of corporate executives from companies that make use of the program to sell the burdensome securities on their balance sheets to the United States. [...]

Representative Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, put forward the Democrats’ proposed changes to the administration’s plan. They would give the Treasury secretary the authority to set “appropriate standards” for compensation of senior executives whose companies sell troubled assets to the government.

Under a so-called claw-back provision, the secretary would have the power to force companies to recoup previous payments to executives of companies involved in the program. And Mr. Frank’s plan would give broad authority for the Government Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress, to audit and oversee the program.



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Obama's statement about (none / 0)

Pauslen potentially being kept around in his adminstration is getting play; it was a trap question from Harwood and Obama decided to go the bipartisan/unity route.  The pitchfork wielders are already howling about it at openleft and I expect McCain to try and make hay about this statement.

I feel that McCain is not getting called out on his "indecision" regarding the Paulsen plan.  He offered a plan without being forced to say whether he was for or against Paulsen's plan.  Someone should press him and if he equivocates, someone should call him on it and tie it into how he is the most absent member of the Senate in terms of votes the last two years.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:31:08 PM EST

Re: Obama's statement about (none / 0)

The pitchfork wielders are already howling about it at openleft

For the sake of sanity. Why do you even go there?

Of course they are howling. It's what people on PUMA blogs do.

The debate is coming up Friday so I don't see how the leadup to it will matter when it comes to the narrative.

Slight drop, slight surge. What counts is how things play out Saturday in the media.

Let's trust Obama has been studying up and is ready to rumble.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:37:13 PM EST
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I hope the Dems don't cave on this one. (none / 0)

I hope.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:39:08 PM EST
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Ponzi scheme (none / 0)

This whole thing has the hallmarks of a Ponzi ("pyramid") scheme.

Basically, at some point, it has to come crashing down and the sooner we let it happen and get it over with, the sooner we can start rebuilding this nation financially.

These speculators were aware for years of what they were doing, and often it became obvious that they were doing it to cheat people out of their homes.

Lets not let them lie and cheat their way into making us put good money after bad.

They are addicts and we need to say no and let them deal with their own mess.


public option=not affordable for middle. It cant cover all affordably, google adverse selection for why
by architek on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:56:58 PM EST
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Open Left is a good blog (none / 0)

not as good as this one but they bring up some good points about political strategy; I'm really not sure how Obama's recent move will play.

OL is very liberal, a lot more liberal than this blog; heck, they were probably responsible a little bit for Evan Bayh getting canned from the VP spot as Stoller and co. started the anti-Bayh movement essentially.  It isn't PUMA at all, just pitchfork wielding liberals who support Obama but begrudge any hint at bipartisanship and unity.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:41:16 PM EST
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Re: Open Left is a good blog (none / 0)

Right now, I can't really say that any of the blogs are all that reassuring. You all sound like McCain Democrats (here at MYDD) or left-liberals with a John Birch Society mindset.


by spirowasright on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:45:46 PM EST
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Re: Open Left is a good blog (none / 0)

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, but thanks for playing.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:51:03 PM EST
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Re: Open Left is a good blog (none / 0)

My coment makes no sens?
Okay, how about this?
I've had it it with the 24/7 negativism and defeatism on the liberal blogosphere.
That's what I'm trying to say.
by spirowasright on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:06:54 PM EST
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Re: Open Left is a good blog (none / 0)

Oh, also, make sure to read Krugman's take, noting that "John McCain is denouncing the Paulson plan, while Barack Obama - out of a sense of responsibility for the financial system - is only offering cautious criticism." Yes, more "change we can believe in."

This is on the frontpage right now. I didn't even know their was a legitimate anit-Bayh movement. Was Bayh even seriously considered? Aside from rampant media speculation, that's a big no. So I don't see how what'shisface could be responsible for stopping Bayh from being VP.

I know what talkleft is (and was).

It's become a hotbed for PUMA's who act like hardcore libs.

Just as they are all suddenly hardcore feminists.

Anything the suits their anti-Obama talking points will do.

The blog might have been something before but a few bad apples flushed the credibility it once had down the drain.

Some great commenters on that blog which is why I do lurk.

Kind of sad that sane voices get lost in all the noise over there.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:57:23 PM EST
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Oh talkleft is what you were talking (2.00 / 1)

about; yeah, I'm a big fan of Jeralyn and BTD (though the guy has some pretty strange ideas from time to time).  There is essentially no PUMA movement left there, Jeralyn has essentially rooted them out (notice that catfish and co. aren't posting there anymore).

Openleft is an entirely different animal.  Those guys can find anything to complain about, especially the hard libs such as Stoller, Sirota, and Rosenberg.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:02:50 PM EST
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BTD? (none / 0)

Seriously?

Armando is a joke.

Anyways, glad we can agree on everything else. Your comments are one of the few I bother to read around here.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:15:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama's statement about (none / 0)

I saw that.  Completely ridiculous.  Obama said that Paulson would be involved in any transition.  Of course he will - Paulson's the incumbent Secy of the Treasury.  That is different from keeping him on in an Obama Admin.


by jmnyc on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:57:32 PM EST
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Shock Doctrine (none / 0)

So the Bush administration takes another huge crisis and tries to bully through legislation it knows would never otherwise see the light of day.

How many times do we have to see the same movie to figure out how it will end?

I'm calling my Congressman's office tomorrow morning to determine his position on this god-awful bill. If he favors it, he'll get an earful.


by Spiffarino on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:35:19 PM EST

Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

Why shouldn't Congressional Democrats cave?
You won't have their back anyway.
by spirowasright on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:46:46 PM EST

There's before 1/19/2009. & after 1/20/2008 (none / 0)

 This Paulson as Dictator crap( he hands out the goodies, no questions asked, no legal recourse) is the immediate "DEAL OFF".

 Most importantly:  Whatever powers are bequethed the BAILOUT CZAR, only a portion of the total sums should be spent by January 19,2009.  If we are speaking of 700 billion, maybe 150 billion would be authorized to be spent, or whatever the shit they are calling it, by this date.  Beyond January 19, 2008; ie. when the new President takes charge, the Czar should be replaceable at the new Presidents discretion, and with a 50% vote of each branch of Congress.  The new Czar would then be allowed to distribute the remaining funds.

 Whatever passes during this process, has to have a provision of replacing the currently selected DICTATOR with the Dictator of their choice, and Congress's approval.


by ocdemocrat on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:04:00 PM EST

King George cannot be allowed..... (none / 0)

 King George has already BURDENED the next President's foreign policy.  Any thing given for this bailout should have only a percentage of it's
value to be given out in the next 4 months.

 King George CAN NOT be allowed to also have an unreasonable influence over the next President's economic policies as much as he has screwed up the next President's World standing.


by ocdemocrat on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:12:19 PM EST
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Quid pro quo missing in Dem plan (none / 0)

As Krugman said:

...there's no quid pro quo here -- nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.

Nowhere in the Dem plan does it mention a requirement that taxpayers share in the upside of the bailout.

Also, no stabilization measures.

It appears Pelosi, et al are dishonestly waving some red meat to voters by trying to cap compensation of the executives.  Showy, yet not enough to make this a good comprehensive package that pays back taxpayers and prevents it from happening again.

Back to the drawing board Nancy, Harry and Barney.  We're not a bunch of idiots here.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:11:37 PM EST

Re: Quid pro quo missing in Dem plan (2.00 / 1)

Indeed. The Republicans made a big, bold ask. Democrats respond with a middling negotiating position.

They should respond with a big, bold ask of their own and quit nibbling at the edges of this thing.


by Natasha Chart on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:09:54 AM EST
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Re: Quid pro quo missing in Dem plan (none / 0)

Republicans should take most of the blame for their opposition to even reasonable regulation. But Democrats have to take some of the blame for
  1. Not behaving as a strong opposition from 2001-2006 or to use their slim majority to at least bring open to public debate with actions some future reforms that are badly needed
  2. DEmocrats have been guilty of contributing to the climate of irrational exuberance by people  who buy houses beyond their means. This is financial irresponsbility at all levels. DEmocrats did little to educate the public.

by Pravin on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:51:56 AM EST
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Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

This proposed limit on executive pay is a very weak penalty. In fact I think Barney Frank and others are saying this to sound tough. Many of these executives have tens of millions even over a hundred million of stock in their company that they have been granted over the years. Clipping their 2008 compensation in return for bailing out their company is barely a penalty at all. I also see no reason the public should preserve the stakes of major bank stockholders. The public needs to own a large stake of the companies in return for any bailout. Anything less than that is a no strings attached taxpayer giveaway.


by Clintonomics on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:17:50 PM EST

Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

The only thing I can see is if Congress mandates long term vesting of shares and bonuses beyond a certain threshold for execs of companies. This way, if a company goes bankrupt 5 years later, only some of their bonuses/shares get vested. If it is not legal to do so, then limit it to companies that want to qualify for bailouts.


by Pravin on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:39:42 AM EST
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Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

Nice post Betsy, we think alike on this. Hope more people realize this.


by Clintonomics on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:19:53 PM EST

I never trust bailouts (none / 0)

I wasn't in favor of bailouts for individual irresponsible homeowners(though I admit some of them were honest victims who could use help on a case by case basis).

But I put up diaries last week against the bailouts. I am skeptical of "the sky is falling" claims. Let the market collapse. That is the only check on a system where execs gamble irresponsibly knowing in the back of their mind they can always beg for a bailout. All the shareholders whose rights are minimal need a shock to force them to rebel against a system that puts shareholder access to information at a disadvantage.

Another thing to note. These bailouts are purely to help out the stock market to make the Republicans look good for the next election. People blindly look at share prices as the main barometer of how the economy is doing. I actually heard from a few conservatives in my office who seemed pleased that the stock market gained 800 points in two days as proof that the economy has been saved to a certain extent.

There has to be anger from stakeholders in this system to force any change. When people realize their mutual funds managers never did due diligence or the board of directors of a company let fatcats prosper without penalizing them for bad performance to a sufficient degree, only then change will happen.

A bailout eases just enough pain to kill full rage but not enough to fix the people's losses.


by Pravin on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:45:15 AM EST

Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

Generous compensation is what a CEO of a small business would make because even a small business makes more money that what a company in danger of disappearing will.

Any CEO making a million for these companies should be taken out and shot. And I am one of the few fiscal conservatives on MYDD.


by Pravin on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:48:40 AM EST

Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

You've probably seen the Obama video. Do, however, keep on reading below the fold and check out Jim Webb's letter to Chris Dodd.

http://raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=16119


by jlmccreery on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:25:59 AM EST

Re: No Blank Check (none / 0)

Sheeze, still no specifics from Obama.  He needs to show himself to be a leader on this issue.  

Tomorrow I expect him to say "Treasury had better do this right, or a very stern letter will be coming from a bipartisan committee that I will recommend to study the matter in depth before something else happens".  


by SueBee on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:58:13 AM EST

Webb on the bailouts (none / 0)

My thoughts line up exactly with what Webb says below:  
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Webb also insisted that, if taxpayer money is being used to bail out an American company, the limit on compensation to the company's executives must be capped at the salary of senior federal government employees.

"We must ensure that executive compensation in those companies being rescued by American taxpayers is reasonable in scope, until this crisis has passed and the American taxpayers have been made whole," said Webb.

Webb has been warning for several years that the excessive practices on Wall Street were risking the United States' economic position in the world community and were unfair to the average worker.

"Executive compensation in the United States is outrageously out of proportion with any other period in our history, and with any other major country in the world today. Unless we insist on this basic principle of fairness, we will rightly risk the condemnation of our fellow citizens.  Further, as the government purchases securities using this new authorization, it must do so at true market value or less. To do otherwise would subsidize those who precipitated this crisis," said Webb.


by Pravin on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 03:48:23 AM EST


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