Palin in Retreat

The lede tonight from CBS News -- that Sarah Palin is in "virtual seclusion," canceling events -- is not good for the McCain campaign:

According to Palin's home state newspaper, The Anchorage Daily News, the presumptive Republican Vice Presidential nominee has been working hard to stay away from reporters, refusing interviews before her speech tomorrow night. How far are Palin's GOP handlers going to keep her out of the public eye? They're not even allowing her to appear in front of the friendliest of crowds she had previously committed to addressing.

Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly is taking the McCain campaign to task for notifying her at the last-minute that Sarah Palin will be a no-show on Tuesday when the Republican National Coalition for Life holds an event honoring the Alaska governor.

"I think this is clearly somebody in the McCain campaign who doesn't understand where the votes are coming from," Schlafly told ABC News. "They only told me this at 10 o'clock last night and it was a call from somebody down-the-line in the McCain campaign."

A campaign in retreat, afraid to face the media or the public, is not a healthy one. Palin will most likely be able to weather this storm -- a withdrawal of her nomination either on her own volition or by McCain would simply be devastating to Republicans up and down the ballot, virtually assuring the election of Barack Obama in November -- but it's not clear that the McCain-Palin ticket will be able to muster much energy or momentum coming out of this week, which is nearly as problematic for the GOP.



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Re: Palin in Retreat (2.00 / 1)

The longer the McCain camp has to defend and hide Palin, the better it is for Obama.  All their energy is being channeled into dealing with their self made disaster.  Silly, silly rethugs.  That's what you get when you don't vet your VP!  :)


by Pa Woman on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:33:46 PM EST

Sarah Palin in hiding is a little weird (none / 0)

Here is the RNC convention and she is really loved there.  She should be out and about meeting folks and rallying her troops.

I think it is a calculated move in order to keep her away from the press until after her big speech on Wednesday.

I am sure her speech will be great for her.  As oppose to Obama who wrote his own speech, I am sure that TPTB are writing her speech for her.

Palin actually has a terrible speaking voice.

I wonder if the GOP convention can get more than 20 million people to watch it as oppose to the Dem convention which was the most watched convention ever.


by puma on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:01 PM EST

Re: Sarah Palin in hiding is a little weird (none / 0)

I was wondering if I was the only one who found her speaking voice incredibly grating.  And it isn't about gender (thought Hillary's voice was fine) or partisanship (even find McCain's OK---and people think he's terrible).  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:44:16 PM EST
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Re: Sarah Palin in hiding is a little weird (none / 0)

Actually, and I'm the last person to say Palin's anything but trouble for McCain, but I think her speech will probably go ok. I didn't mind her speaking voice -- nothing great, no chills running up and down my leg, but nothing wrong either. I think she can speak -- she won the governor's race, albeit in an easy year -- and she's not stupid. Narrow-minded, hypocritical, and with a lot of candidate flaws, but not stupid.

They'll have the A-team writing for her, one suspects, and she'll deliver it well. The problem is, what's she going to say? Play to the base, and it turns off the moderates. Play to the moderates, and the base WILL turn on her. Praise Hillary, and even if message control keeps the crowd under control, we already know what the Republicans in TV-land will be doing from the crowd reaction she drew. Don't praise Hillary and you give up the feeble hope of swaying PUMAs. Mention her family, play up all the negatives swirling there (mind you, worst among the base); don't mention family and there's a big obvious hold there.

My bet is playing for the base with more vague platitudes than specifics, and probably a lot of the usual Republican code-words if she hits topics like the Supreme Court. A few carefully chosen platitudes about her family; either that or hit it headon and try to blunt the attacks. Quite possibly something thrown in on foreign affairs to make her look like she's up on things. Energy, since she's supposed to be expert on energy.

I think technically it'll be a good speech and written to contain no gaffes. I just think her speechwriters have a whole lot of challenges in crafting this thing so it doesn't hit any of the myriad of places it can go wrong.

So we have the second Palin irony: McCain may have finished swinging things around so that the Democrats are united and the Republicans are bickering and infighting, and he may have created a bigger, higher-stakes speechwriting challenge than Obama's in getting ready for Invesco. Not bad (ok, very very bad) for one single VP choice.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:02:53 PM EST
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Re: Sarah Palin in hiding is a little weird (none / 0)

They overplayed the gender card already. Everybody knows she's a women.  No need to lay it on so thick the way they did.

She should focus on her accomplishments with the oil industry in Alaska and negotiating a multi-billion dollar pipeline deal with Canada.

She doesn't need to talk about abortion either.  With the Bristol thing in the media the way it is, it goes without saying.


by dMarx on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 01:31:17 AM EST
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Simple...she's being prepped for her speech... (none / 0)

The Republicans hope that, if they build this up to be "the most crucial moment of the campaign," she'll turn out to be able to read a written-by-others speech over a teleprompter to a crowd of Republican partisans without stumbling (not all that hard, really), so that they can rave that she "hit it out of the park," and thus put to rest all of the concerns about her for the remainder of the campaign.
 
by JDWalley on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 05:00:53 AM EST
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Palin's church hostile to Jews (none / 0)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 908/Palin_Good_for_the_Jews.html?showall


by Bush Bites on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:30 PM EST

Re: Palin's church hostile to Jews (none / 0)

From the politico.com article:

The executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, Ira Forman, cited the "cultural distance" between Palin and almost all American Jews.

"She's totally out of step with the American Jewish community," he said. "She is against reproductive freedom - even against abortion in the case of rape and incest. She has said that climate change is not man-made. She has said that she would favor teaching creationism in the schools. These are all way, way, way outside the mainstream."

Forget about experience, this is the way for Dems to go after Sarah Palin:  "These are all way, way, way outside the mainstream."

Repeat
Repeat
Repeat


by Will Graham on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:02:09 PM EST
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Re: Palin's church hostile to Jews (none / 0)

Won't that invite comparisons with Obama's church and their relationship with Farahkan?


by dMarx on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 01:33:19 AM EST
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Or the Expectations Game (none / 0)

It could be one half the staff suddenly trying to turn Palin into a national figure - after all it's doubtful any of them had time (or knowledge) to prepare for her.

It could also be the expectations game - keep all eyes off so she blows them away with her acceptance speech.

I watched part of one her gubernatorial debates & she was pretty solid.  That was not a performance that makes me think she'll whither against anyone.  Whether they can take her ability to hold her own in a debate & infuse it with substantive knowledge of national & international issues is another story.


It's clear that both the Ensign and Sanford marriages were the victims of the increasing number of states approving gay marriage.
by January 20 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:40:31 PM EST

Re: Or the Expectations Game (none / 0)

Do you have a link to the debate?


by Wiseprince on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 08:50:34 AM EST
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Like I said in another diary about this (2.00 / 1)

Palin isn't hiding, she's preparing for her speech. These little events don't mean much compared to a speech that will likely be viewed by 20, if not 30 million just for the curiousity factor. The event she cancelled was for only 800. let's not get over-confident.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:41:44 PM EST

PA- THET - IC (none / 0)

Way to "maverick" this one, John!

This is worse than Harriet Myers, worse than Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, New Coke, Crystal Pepsi, Steven Tyler's blues album, The Bacon Brothers, Ishtar, last year's Mets, Friends spin-off Joey, Fox Business, Rush Limbaugh's TV show, Chevy Chase's TV show, Pat Sajack's TV show, Any of Britney Spear's marriages, the 90's Buffalo Bills, Ms South Carolina, Sanjaya, Star Jones' marriage, pre-war Iraq intelligence, and on and on and on.....


www.payd.org Keeping PA Blue
by dannybauder on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:43:42 PM EST

Re: PA- THET - IC (none / 0)

Ishtar? I liked Ishtar.


by dMarx on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 01:35:00 AM EST
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Oh lordy... (2.00 / 1)

Soooo...

Last night on CNN - Barack Obama compared Palin running a town with 50 employees and a small budget compared to a huge campaign staff.

Looks like he was just agreeing with Sarah Palin herself


I'm reading an article from October, 1996, in which a reporter named Laura Mitchell Harris asks Palin about her intentions for a shake up. How would she effectively run a city without experienced leaders? ""It's not rocket science," Palin said, "It's $6 million and 53 employees.


by zonk on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:46:00 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church's website.

"He's a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism," Kroon said.

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

"The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality," he said.

Brickner's mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of "targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception."

From the Politico article posted above.

As a Jew, this is about as bad as it gets.  


by mady on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:47:20 PM EST

Sure, but (none / 0)

no one would EVER attack a candidate for what their pastor said. That would just be silly.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:20:51 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

You don't see how this is going to go? She's going to hide and hide and hide, then come out and give a passable speech that hits every single one of the talking points everybody's been handing over and everyone will go ga-ga. This was never not going to happen.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

No, this is not going to happen.  She does not reflect the values of the mainstream of this country.  She is not suited to office.  I don't think her image can be reconstituted at this point.  Actually, I'm sure of that.


by mady on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:53:05 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

There are two images here, really.

I wrote a long earlier comment where I said her speech has enormous challenges but will probably be technically solid. That may to some extent repair her image with the punditry (at least the rational-ish right-wingers, Krauthammer for instance) and some of the MSM. If she comes off as an average rightish politician the damage there is still fixable.

As far as the low-information not-rightwing-base voters, I agree, I don't think it can be fixed. The Enquirer was bad enough, but I think the US Magazine cover toasts her. I really don't think that can be fixed. She's passed right through wait-and-see to ridicule faster than can be fixed.

The base loves her. They're going to love her. A few of them are going to privately get upset at the hypocrisy factor, but publicly, they love her. Her image there is in no jeopardy. However, as nice as it is for McCain to consolidate the base, that's not nearly enough votes to win.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:09:47 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (2.00 / 1)

Her is some reader mail on David Frums blog on National Reveiw.  These are Republicans

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N jAxYmQ1ZDFlNjY4YzRjN2EyODA4YjUwOTQ5MzlkN jI=

"....John McCain and the GOP have turned a high-stakes national election in troubled times into something between a Lifetime movie and a sit-com."


by bubbajohn43 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:17:16 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Even if she hits every talking point perfectly, she's likely to be doing it with EVERY news outlet doing a split-screen rolling tally of her latest "issues." And unless they stick her right back in her undisclosed location after the speech and keep her there the entire race, they'll have a hard time keeping her from being the issue.


by Beomoose on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:01:59 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

She's giving a speech... off a teleprompter... and she will be pretending to be an expert on anything you can think of. No, she won't take any questions from the press, but she can damn sure take the heat off of her.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:29:54 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

I agree with that -- the teleprompter will allow her to say whatever her speechwriter gives her to say. The problem with that is that she'll lose a lot of points by it. If she'd granted interviews today and flopped, yes, that's bad. But without them, my bet is that the talking heads right after the speech, and the print/online coverage, is going to stress the teleprompted/scripted angle.

And it still leaves her/the writers with a mindfield of topics to navigate.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:32:20 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Well, it needs to be a HUGE talking point tomorrow. So everybody knows what to expect from Palin and what they probably won't get.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:16:19 AM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Is the irony lost on you that the media will attack her as an empty suited teleprompter reader and nothing more?


by Wiseprince on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 08:56:01 AM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

They are all reading from teleprompter.  Even Obama.
So what?  Don't bother with the little crap, you are missing the bigger picture.

This Palin woman will be the star of the "new" Republican party when this is over.  Obama knows this, I wish the left-wing blogs would see the same thing.


by stefystef on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 11:02:33 AM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Would you please relay thsi information to the people who write front pages for the MSN and Yahoo news pages.


by spirowasright on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:56:31 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Alaskan Gov. Debates are not the same thing as a major speech at the convention with God-alone-knows how many people watching and waiting to pounce on any mistake she may make.  She may hold up, but it takes a SERIOUSLY strong person to pull it off considering the climate she is in.

She NEEDS the time to prepare and psych up because tomorrow night is definately make-or-break.  I just do not see how she is going to solidify the base of the party, her "hired" job, and yet still reach out to moderates/independants without looking like a joke.

ANd does anyone find that the GOP convention floor looks creepy?  All blood red...looks like some neo-nazi rally.


by Hammer1001 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:56:34 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

More than that, despite what people are saying, she KNEW Alaska. Alaska is a fairly distinct environment, kind of like its own country.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:38:24 PM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Isn't McCain also in retreat?  I heard that he canceled a CNN interview after his surrogate got roughed up yesterday.


by rfahey22 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:06:58 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Wasn't the surrogate roughed up by Larry King?  That's like getting licked to death by a puppy.


"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by blueAZ on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 03:16:26 AM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

By Campbell Brown, who asked Tucker Bounds, campaign spokesman, about her foreign policy experience.
video at Dkos HERE.
Well worth watching.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 07:10:27 AM EST
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Canceled in New Mexico (none / 0)

Well, they say she was never scheduled to speak -- even though it was on the website in numerous spaces. Including one from before she was announced saying the GOP VP nominee would visit New Mexico.

Maybe they think she can go until November 4 without talking to people.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:19:06 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Titanic..train wreck.  Titanic...train wreck.  Train wreck...Titanic?


by moondancer on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:35:57 PM EST

She's Cramming for the Biggest (none / 0)

test of her life.  What a trainwreck!


by activatedbybush on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:39:03 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Wow.  Who would have thought that McCain's VP pick might be the torpedo that sinks his campaign?  I mean, isn't the VP supposed to first do no harm?  I have to say, a Romney or Jindal choice would have made me much much more nervous.  Even Huckabee.


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:52:07 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

I think the McCain campaign is making a HUGE mistake by keeping Sarah Palin in isolation over the past few days. They are basically ensuring that the first impression of her will be shaped by media reports... I'm surprised more national media figures aren't demanding that she start doing interviews!

But I agree, the longer she remains hidden, the better for the Obama campaign. Did anyone see the Palin cover for the new US Weekly issue? I can't even wrap my mind around what a bad decision the Palin pick was...


by Kula2316 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:15:17 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

She's not going to be hidden.  

You are right, it would be better for the Obama campaign if she just went away, but that's not happening.  They have been preparing her for the last week, getting the story straight and getting all the players on message.

The new message is "reform".  The Republicans hate Bush too, but they don't want to admit their mistake.  So it's about "Reform" and "Country First".  It's not about the candidate (like the pseudo-religio following behind Obama), but the country itself!

Very smart on the Republicans move.  Nothing but American flags and Country First signs at the Convention.  The Republicans are building the campaign around the country itself, not McCain.  "Change" is subjective in its nature, but "reform" is something tangible.  If this "reform" thing gets going, Obama will be in trouble.


by stefystef on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 10:53:36 AM EST
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Take a good look at her tomorrow night (none / 0)

It might be the last time you see her till the VP debate.

She will do fine in the speech.

The convention thinks she is the second coming of Ronnie Rayguns.

Some very good speech writer is crafting it for her, started it the day they decided to throw the hail mary with her. She is reading from a teleprompter for goodness sake.

The bar is set SO LOW as long as she can pronounce Nuclear, the press will fawn over her.

BUT, after that, you will NOT see her anyplace where a reporter can get an unqualified question in.

She will be shuttle from Church to Evangelical event, she will bring in huge amounts of cash.

She will NOT do Meet the Press, Charlie Rose....

Hannity yes, not anyplace where she won't have the ball set on the tee, not even slow pitch on CNN...


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by WashStateBlue on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:30:26 AM EST

Probably preparing for the speech of her life (none / 0)

Well, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for Gov. Palin to be out campaigning today, would it? I mean, tomorrow night is HER night. Some pundits are suggesting that because of all the media attacks, more people will be watching her tomorrow night than watched Obama last Thursday.

On top of that, the media barrage against her has set the bar extremely low. If she performs half-way decently in her speech, she'll go from being "a stewardess", as Bill Maher suggested last Friday (brilliant remark), to being a super-star.

Hopefully, Dems will someday understand that the media is a mixed blessing for liberals. If Dan Rather hadn't gone and fucked up the 2004 race with a poorly sourced feature on Bush's National Guard charade, Kerry may have been elected. Right now, the media is setting the stage for a huge backlash and sympathy vote for Sarah Palin. Bob Wexler is doing his part as well.

Get ready for the next Forest Gump.


by BJJ Fighter on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:35:09 AM EST

Re: Probably preparing for the speech of her life (none / 0)

Some pundits are suggesting that because of all the media attacks, more people will be watching her tomorrow night than watched Obama last Thursday.

More than 38 million viewers?  I'm not sure there are even that many people that know her name.


"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by blueAZ on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 03:19:11 AM EST
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Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

So, McCain's strategy is to hide Palin except for her speech on Wednesday and for the debate?

Isn't the whole point of a VP to be out there campaigning for the main guy on the ticket?  You're supposed to EXPOSE the VP to the media, not hide her.  

What a joke.  


by ProfessorReo on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:58:47 AM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

"The Ticket For America" chose a candidate for political reasons  that doesn't even want to be part of America.

I think she was chosen for two reasons:

(1) To excite the evangelicals, and

(2) To give a dirty old man something to keep him occupied while he went through the motions.


"In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." -Barack Obama
by blueAZ on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 03:22:54 AM EST
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Palin's Speech (none / 0)

She will likely do well enough in her speech. She has the "sportscaster" experience, as well as whatever campaigning was done for AK governor. I guess her "journalism" major as well as beauty queen bits somehow prepared her for public appearances.

The media distraction will be her family, which one assumes will be in attendance, this time with father-to-be Levi along, unless he's in disguise.
There will be many shots of the proud family, with all appearing onstage at the end.

There will be focus on her family, just as the media made much of Obama's daughters' appearance following Michelle's speech.


by susie on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 02:31:37 AM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

She's getting the same media makeover Michelle Obama got but at the speed of light.  That's politics.  We'll see if it works.


by Upstate Dem on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 06:37:39 AM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Or what I said  was an option when she was appointed for the slot; she is a placeholder to get the base riled up.


by jrsygrl on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 07:30:11 AM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

I afraid the Democrats are falling into the same trap as 2000 and 2004, underestimating the Republicans.

What you call a "retreat" is a regrouping for the final push.  By pushing media away (a trick used by Obama several times during this campaign), it actually helps you control the message.

It makes the MSM look stupid when the story from the campaign comes out and for the Republicans, it gives strength to their argument that the media is a left-wing controlled machine that has no concern for "real" Americans.  Palin, for better or worse, has  knocked Obama and Biden off the front page.  And when she gives the speech of her life tonight, it will be Palin who controls the message, not the MSM or the DNC/Obama.

McCain knew exactly what he's doing and so to the Republicans... This is a set-up if I ever saw one.  And as usually, the near-sighted left-wing bloggers get it wrong.


by stefystef on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 10:45:46 AM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

She's not in retreat for heaven sake! She has never used multiple teleprompters before and has never spoken before such a large crown - she's practicing her speech. I am also sure she is having to spend a bit of time convincing her daughter that her personal issues are not going to cause a downfall for her  mom. I am so very very tired of the liberal crap. How about we let these people speak (both sides) and then make up our minds based on, as Liberman said, what is right for the country not what is right for the party.


mella
by mella on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:38:25 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

Just saw a picture of McCain greeting Bristol Palin's "fiance" as he arrived in St. Paul.

There's no retreat here.  The wagons are circling.


by stefystef on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 02:59:29 PM EST

Re: Palin in Retreat (none / 0)

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/ photo/080903/ids_photos_ts/r339872508.j pg

If you want to see this poor boy getting sucked into the madness, check it out.


by stefystef on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:47 PM EST
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