Alaska Judge: Palin's Family Showed Lack of "Good Judgment"

I've written a bit about the extent to which Sarah Palin seemingly went in a quest to get back at a former brother-in-law, an effort which has drawn an investigation and has forced Palin to lawyer up. But even before Palin became Governor, her actions were already being called into question. According to The Washington Post's James V. Grimaldi and Kimberly Kindy, the judge overseeing the custody case involving Palin's sister and former brother-in-law had some strong words for Palin's family.

The divorce went to trial in the fall of 2005 while the state police internal investigation was pending. Anchorage Superior Court Judge John Suddock reviewed the complaints filed by Palin and her family. At trial on Oct. 27, 2005, the judge expressed puzzlement about why the family was trying to get Wooten fired, since depriving the trooper of a job would harm his ability to pay family support to Palin's sister.

"It appears for the world that Ms. McCann and her family have decided to take off for the guy's livelihood -- that the bitterness of whatever who did what to whom has overridden good judgment," Suddock said in an audio recording from the trial on TV station KTUU's Web site. "Aesop told us not to slay the goose who lays the golden egg. For whatever reason, people are trying to slay the goose here and it tends to diminish his earning capacity."

With such a near constant flow of uncomfortable news about Palin, it's no wonder some in the establishment media (and also the not-so-establishment media) are beginning to ask whether Palin will endure on the GOP ticket or if, like Tom Eagleton before her, she will be replaced with another choice deemed to be less risky.



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McCain is too stubborn to (2.00 / 3)

replace Palin.

He made his bed, now he has to lay in it.

This will go down as one of the most poorly thought out VP picks in American history.


"No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown
by auboy2006 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 12:58:50 AM EST

Re: McCain is too stubborn to (2.00 / 5)

Stubborness has nothing to do with it, and to begin with, this was not McCain's pick, he wanted Joementum.

This was his advisors, telling him, after Obama made the pundits come unglued, and given the totally lackluster lineup of speakers at our convention, you need to throw the hail mary.

And, to the Eagleton comparision, NO WAY Palin is thrown off the ticket.

The RR is having hourly orgasm over this pick, you take her off the ticket and McCain is done.

No, not his pick, but he is glued to Palin and nothing can get him out of it.


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:14:07 AM EST
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Re: McCain is too stubborn to (2.00 / 2)

He might be able to get away with it if he replaced her with someone the fundies love just as much, like Huckabee.

But yeah, I think she's staying on the ticket.

In any case, we'll know soon. This isn't like 1972 where McGovern had time to replace Eagleton. We're right up against the ballot deadline in many states. If Palin is on the ticket by this time next week, she's on it for good.


by Angry White Democrat on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:58:11 AM EST
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Re: McCain is too stubborn to (none / 0)

I think she will be gone tomorrow or the next day.  

Have you seen the republicans just getting hammered by the talking heads on this one.  

Imagine you are a senior republican lawmaker, someone who people pay attention to (and notice there are not too many of them out in the spotlight pushing Palin).  You have to be talking to the McCain campaign trying to get what they hell they were thinking with this.  You have to start to worry if this is going to drag down Your election - McCain is probably lost you say to yourself - time to worry about you.  So you are probably now quietly working to gather some allies who then go to McCain and say - enough, she has to go.

When the biggest question about Palin is What Next, you know you have screwed the pooch on the VP pick.  Time to dump before it gets worse (and it will - she will make gaffes as soon as some real reporters get their crack at her).  

The real question right now is this - will McCain be stubborn or not?


Late Night Pundit
by dham340 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:18:35 AM EST
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she is a cash cow (none / 0)

she is staying.


by Lolis on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:59:30 AM EST
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Re: McCain is too stubborn to (none / 0)

Fundies may love Huckabee, but other non fundie right wingers hate him. Lieberman would be a disaster, especially if he is chosen after a hypothetical Palin withdrawal. If you check out freeper sites, you can see all kinds of excuse making for Palin's issues and actions. That tells me Palin is a true star in conservative circles. She can energize the conservative campaign trail like no other touted candidates can.

Right now, Palin is showing a lot of vulnerabilities that can kill her in independent circles. I didn't think she was that bad in her appeal in these circles early on. But now that she is exposed not only as a religious freak(which everyone knew from the beginning), but a first class hypocrite (underage daughter preggers, husband DUI, someone needs to investigate Ms. Abstinence's sexual past), she can go down(not on me, silly, I meant careerwise).


by Pravin on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:49:58 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's (none / 0)

I would stick either to the story about the firing of the supervisory officer or the Alaskan Independence Party story, myself.  I can understand a family's need to get even in one of these settings.  That impulse is inappropriate when third parties are punished (as in "troopergate"), but I see no problem with such feelings when they are directed solely towards the antagonist.  I wouldn't go in this direction, I don't think it's helpful.


by rfahey22 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:04:40 AM EST

Media Attention (2.00 / 2)

I am glad the media attention is now on MacCain and Palin. it means they are going to be spending less time talking about Obama's "Problems" and talk about MacCain's bad judgment for a change.

oh and  CNN is all over this from what i know, they even went through the babygate story and the troopgate extensively.


by Fistjab on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:07:20 AM EST

What did she know and when did she know it? (2.00 / 2)

We have been hearing a lot about whether McCain and his team knew about Bristol's pregnancy before Sarah Palin was selected.  But let's hypothesize for a moment a scenario where Sarah herself didn't know... unlikely, sure - but all the same can you imagine the scene in Ohio.  Supposedly the Palin kids were flown in under some pretext and only told upon arrival that their mother was McCain's pick for VP.  Supposedly this happened with mere hours to spare before the big speech.  "Uh, Mom?  Can I talk to you for a sec outside?  There's something Levi and I have been planning to tell you..."  Awkward!


by snowback on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:22:07 AM EST

Palin's Family Showed Lack of "G (2.00 / 1)

The bar has been set very low for Republicans. Nothing seems to stick to them as it seems most in their party just don't care very much about integrity or good judgment.


by Dari on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:42:38 AM EST

Re: Palin's Family Showed Lack of "G (none / 0)

yeah the fundies just care about stopping all the "baby killers."

ethics. what is that?


by Lolis on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:02:34 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (none / 0)

Goodness. Jonathan, take Obama's advice to heart. Also, Wooten was accused of being a wife-beater. I've got no sympathy for the guy. Violence against women can't be taken lightly.


by blueflorida on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:42:50 AM EST

Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (2.00 / 2)

You say he was accused, yet you went along and found him guilty.


by hocuspocus on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:44:21 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (none / 0)

Fine. Wooten's an accused wife-beater. The accusation seems credible enough given the public record.  I'd love to see some evidence to the contary. You defend him, I won't.


by blueflorida on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:53:01 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (2.00 / 2)

One doesn't defend this Wooten character by pointing out McPalin's poor behavior, and possibly illegal in the case of her firing the commissioner of public safety.


by ObamaOrBust on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:18:06 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (2.00 / 2)

The investigation is certainly fair, and I think her handling of the whole situation reflects a sloppiness and naivete (another lack-of-experience data point). I'm just having trouble separating in my mind the fact that this so-called abuse of power is ultimately about a thuggish trooper who has a documented record of abusing his own power. I know it helps our guys Obama and Biden to keep twisting the knife in Palin, but I'd like to retain some dignity and self-respect.


by blueflorida on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:26:13 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Palin's Family (none / 0)

The brother-in-law is irrelevant to McPalin's poor judgment and misdeeds.


by ObamaOrBust on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:37:36 AM EST
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Trooper Wooten isn't the issue (2.00 / 3)

Wooten is a serial a**hole. That much is undeniable. It is also completely irrelevant.

Palin's people - and possible Palin herself - tried to strongarm Walt Monegan into firing Wooten. He couldn't because Wooten had already been punished and the case was closed. Monegan told them so, then did his best to prevent them from getting into legal trouble over it. He was fired as a reward for trying to keep Palin out of hot water.

Read the damn papers and see how this thing went down. Palin has serious judgment issues.


by Spiffarino on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:25:08 AM EST
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Re: Trooper Wooten isn't the issue (2.00 / 1)

Let it be known that I didn't see your comment before using the words irrelevant and judgment in mine. Just a case of plain old coincidence.


by ObamaOrBust on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:40:39 AM EST
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Re: Trooper Wooten isn't the issue (2.00 / 1)

I claim no ownership whatsoever. Blog on.

:)


by Spiffarino on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:46:05 AM EST
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Re: Trooper Wooten isn't the issue (none / 0)

The problem is that Wooten is more than an a$$hole. He's a public menace. Just look at the complaints against the guy. I'm fairly stunned that the guy hasn't been fired myself.

As regards Monegan, a quote from him: "For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff." And even Palin's most determined opponents and critics in Alaska acknowledge that a big part of why Palin fired Monegan was a budget dispute. The reason for the investigation is because there's no reason to unskeptically accept either Palin's or Monegan's versions of the story wholesale. It's a classic "he said, she said" employment dispute.


by blueflorida on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:30:53 AM EST
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I am excited (2.00 / 1)

about the public vetting of Palin.

I can't wait for tomorrow's scandal!


by hocuspocus on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:43:04 AM EST

Re: I am excited (none / 0)

I'm looking into my crystal ball and see.........

Oxycontin!


by ObamaOrBust on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:20:00 AM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: (2.00 / 3)

Also, the moment they prove that Palin underwent the equivalent of electro-shock therapy, then we'll be in Eagleton territory. Right now, we're in Quayle/Ferraro territory which is bad enough for McCain.

This is the very definition of a feeding frenzy.


by blueflorida on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:45:04 AM EST

question (none / 0)

 for those around and paying attention during the '84 election.  did ferraro recieve this much attention?  i was born on the tailend of reagan's second term, so...


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:25:44 AM EST

Re: question (2.00 / 2)

As I recall, Ferraro got relatively positive coverage during the rollout and convention.  It was not until a few weeks later (mid september) that the stuff about her husband started coming out.

I am sure a goggle search could confirm or disprove this.


Late Night Pundit
by dham340 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:32:48 AM EST
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Re: question (2.00 / 1)

I think you're dead on it. I remember it the same way, and I'm old.


by Spiffarino on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:36:08 AM EST
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Re: question (2.00 / 1)

Ferraro was Mondale's hail mary. No one had heard of her either.


by ObamaOrBust on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:42:37 AM EST
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This aspect of the story is pretty weak (none / 0)

If Palin had done as the judge suggests and not sought to fire the trooper simply because her sister had a financial stake in his continued employment, that would be just as bad, and probably worse, from an ethical/good government standpoint, no?


by JJE on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:44:29 AM EST

Re: This aspect of the story is pretty weak (none / 0)

This appears to be a family court judge and the question before him at this point (potentially the sole question) was the spousal support - this statement is clearly dicta, but perhaps came in the context of the ex-husband pleading poverty as a result of what may have been viewed as his pending termination.

I don't think the judge was suggesting that he be fired or not be fired, but instead just commenting on the absurdity/frustration/etc. of the situation before him.  I'm piling inferences upon inferences, but maybe he wanted to give a larger support value to the petitioning wife but felt restrained by the husband's financial situation?


by auronrenouille on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:10:23 AM EST
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If it was part of the justification (none / 0)

For the support award, then it wouldn't be dictum.  But regardless of whether it was dictum or holding, my point is that this isn't really a great point if the fundamental story is about Palin using her official position to benefit her family.  As you point out, this statement was made in the context of a custody hearing and may have been an equitable consideration in the support award, and its implications seem limited to that narrow context.  I don't see how it helps the political case against Palin that stems from the Wooten matter.  That's all.


by JJE on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:42:18 AM EST
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Alaska Judge: Jerk (none / 0)

It sounds to me like the judge was a garden variety misogynist asshole defending a grade A misogynist asshole.

I won't defend anything Palin did once she was in office, but the idea that the Palin family shouldn't have tried to get a wife-abusing, child-abusing, drunk-driving police officer fired, because it would be more profitable for them to stay quiet, is exactly the sort of fucked up, domestic violence normalizing shit that you'd expect from a conservative judge. Pretty gross to hear it coming from a family court judge.

If Palin had taken her own experience and used it to force through reforms of the state police investigation process, she'd be a hero. Instead, she just tried to use her clout to take personal revenge, and then lied about it repeatedly. Apparently, it never occurred to her that the wrong that was done to her family might actually be a sign of institutional problems.


by letterc on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:36:00 AM EST

You need a scorecard.... (2.00 / 2)

...to keep track of this woman's scandals.

Near as I can figure, this is what we've got:

* This so-called reformer directed Ted Stevens' 527.

* This so-called reformer received millions in earmarks.

* She's under investigation for Trooper Gate, has made contradictory statements and is now lawyered up and will have to testify.

* She was involved in another firing scandal when she was mayor, for which she was almost recalled.

* She bankrupted that little town she was mayor of.

* She and her husband once belonged to a political party whose goal is to make Alaska secede from the union.

* She claimed to be against the Bridge to Nowhere, when reports of her speaking to the people of that island clearly record her supporting the bridge.

And, of course, that's not including all the personal stuff I'm not going into.


by Bush Bites on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 04:48:43 AM EST

Re: You need a scorecard.... (none / 0)

Other than Troopergate and the bridge is any of that stuff verified?

At least you are not claiming that she faked her pregnancy like those morons over at Kos.  It was so obvious that lunacy was going to backfire.  Tinfoil hats indeed!


by dMarx on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:46:44 PM EST
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Re: Alaska Judge: Judgment (2.00 / 2)

The Republican party has just verified the entire strategic position of the Obama campaign.  The more we learn about Palin the more we learn it is all the same.  Same tactics, same bullying, same denial of facts.  Sarah Palin is a mini Cheney in her assertions of executive privilege.  It is more of the same.  More we cannot afford.


by temptxan on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:04:28 AM EST

Today's Rasmussen (none / 0)

Sorry if this is elsewhere but it's finally over 50%

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0 809/01/lkl.02.html


by mady on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:56:32 AM EST

Sorry wrong link, wrong topic, need coffee (none / 0)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/daily_presidential_tra cking_poll

Here's the poll..


by mady on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:59:42 AM EST
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palin (none / 0)

I agree with Jerome. I have this deja vu of all my liberal friends who didn't get Huckabee--and then Huckabee comes pretty close to winning, with almost no money. This is like a Huckabee choice, where McCain gets BOTH christians and independents, and unless the MSM starts ridiculing her, she's great for McCain. Also, one of the impacts of a VP is what s/he does to the rhetoric of the candidate--her rhetoric is mccain's at his most persuasive--punchy, independent, etc--and unfortunately this shores up his own comfort with his best language. She needs to be taken on on her merits, and quick, before she slides through this early phase on superficial and unsuccessful challenges.


by Zephyr Teachout on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:01:21 AM EST


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