Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honesty Problems

Yesterday I noted that it looked like the those in the establishment media were finally beginning to come to the conclusion that many of us had arrived at a long time ago: That John McCain will say and do anything -- including lie through his teeth -- in order to feed his insatiable ambition. Now even Karl Rove is starting to fret publicly about problems with McCain's ability to tell the truth.

Per Jonathan Martin, for those who want to read and not just see the quote, Rove said McCain had "gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100 percent truth test." You know it's rough times when even Rove says a Republican candidate isn't being truthful enough.



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McCain's Honesty Problems (none / 0)

In all fairness, Rove also hit Barack Obama on his ads.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 04:16:30 PM EST

Precious (none / 0)

Anybody else notice how difficult it was for Rove to admit that McCain has not been truthful. He stuttered, clearly trying to not hurt his candidate.

Also, anybody else notice how he said that he hopes that an ``there ought to be an adult who says ..''

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/14/ rove-both-campaigns-ads-are-over-the-top /

Now if a 73 yr-old person is not an adult, can we expect him to run an election in an adult manner.


by ann0nymous on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 04:21:50 PM EST

Rove is saying that because the ads (none / 0)

the McCain camp has run which are lies are typically run NOT by the candidate themselves but by 527s.

Remember Bush himself rarely ran distorted negative ads.  Instead it was the 527s that ran those kinds of ads.


by puma on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 04:29:45 PM EST

EXCELLENT point n/t (none / 0)


by Neef on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:02:47 PM EST
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Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (2.00 / 1)

What's remarkable is that McCain is running a campaign as if there were 2 weeks to go and they are behind.  Are they just going to keep this up until November?


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 04:42:27 PM EST

Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (none / 0)

They are behind. EV vote is theonly one that maters. There is no national vote. this is why they are acting so desperately.


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by onlinesavant on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:43:27 PM EST
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In fairness (none / 0)

Right now, they ARE favored to win the EV. I don't think that will last, but if it were held tomorrow, I'd be drinking on Tuesday.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 05:47:50 PM EST
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Re: In fairness (none / 0)

I'll be drinking regardless, but would much prefer a toast of bubbly than captain and coke ;)


Conservatism is nothing but a bad laissez-fairey tale
by neko608 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:20:05 PM EST
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Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (none / 0)

Kind of makes you wonder what their internal polling is showing them, doesn't it?


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:59:34 PM EST
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Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (none / 0)

Oh Please everything Rove states is with a reason; he is not worried about anyone being to malicious.  He said this to enable further cognitive dissonance amongst the audience.  The man should NOT be quoted unless it is when discussing how to best run a campaign & win - he has practically outlined that for us all.


by jrsygrl on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 04:42:30 PM EST

Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (none / 0)

So he's a concern troll?

The Palin pick has certainly thrown us off balance, and the truthiness 'scandal' seems to be prolonging that, generating outrage in our ranks.

But McCain might have overplayed his hand, since the MSM is picking up on it and starting to question his honesty, and (thank god) putting the focus back on him a bit after the Palin sideshow.


by notacrime on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:56:01 PM EST
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Re: Even Rove Begins to Fret About McCain's Honest (2.00 / 1)

Huh who used the phrase concern troll?  I can't stand the overuse of that phrase as a matter of fact.  I'm just saying Karl Rove doesn't really feel bad about anything - he's about as close to a real life Darth Vadar as one can get.  He doesn't make a statement in public without an agenda.


by jrsygrl on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:01:33 PM EST
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Always two there are, a master and the apprentice.

Yoda

Sounds like 'Master' Rove is giving his apprentice Schmidt a slap on the back of the head.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:05:29 PM EST

No, no, no, no, no. (2.00 / 2)

Why the hell would anyone celebrate Rove's supposed admission?

The McCain campaign has not overplayed its hand. They have not prematurely gone into desperation mode. Karl is not reprimanding his acolyte. If I had to guess, I'd say McCain's internals are likely just fine.

What is happening here is a deliberate, orchestrated part of the GOP game plan, as this AP story, "Republicans Fault Both Campaigns for negative Ads" makes clear:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_o n_el_pr/campaigns_negativity;_ylt=AqZIDY Vn4ndaYE4zqR2Xy0d34T0D

In a coordinated fashion, Rove, Guiliani, et al are throwing sand in the refs' (and the public's) eyes to obsruce the one-sidedness of their own malfeasance.

The current pivot began late last week when McCain argued that all of this terrible nastiness on both sides could have been avoided if only Obama had done the decent thing and agreed to the town hall meetings. The intent, as ludicrous as it is, is get people thinking that both campaigns were out of control over the last couple of weeks, and it was all mean old Obama's fault. If Obama takes the bait, McCain will back off the throttle maybe five percent as the right-wing 527s step in to ratchet up the sliming. If Obama ignores the challenge, McCain will say "see, he doesn't respect the American people enough to give them town halls, we have no choice but to campaign this way!"

If you think Rove and Schmidt haven't gamed out every day, and every play of the next seven weeks, you're as foolish as they are cynical. Their plan is to smear Obama into paste, to make him an object of scorn and derision, to crack open the earth and let it swallow him up. Even if their internals are better than what we're seeing in the public polls, these people will keep grinding their boot into Obama's neck until they decapitate the poor bastard. For all their dishonesty, you've got to give them one thing: they tell you what they are going to do, they even tell you how, and then they do it.

The only question left is, will we let them?


by Cole Moore Odell on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 08:57:56 PM EST

Re: No, no, no, no, no. (none / 0)

Believe the opposite of anything that Rove says publicly.

We're all just playing the game - the problem is he wrote the playbook and made up all the rules of the game.


If you had everything, where would you put it?
by wasanyonehurt on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:13:44 PM EST
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Re: No, no, no, no, no. (none / 0)

Well if the growing uniformity of the narrative that McCain is going too far and being chronically untruthful is part of their carefully calibrated conspiracy then I truly am afraid.  I am more inclined to believe that Schmidt has been road-testing a negative campaign which has come a bit unstuck before the final laps.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM EST
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Re: No, no, no, no, no. (none / 0)

I try not to ascribe superhuman powers to Rove, but for me, the tell is that he compared McCain maybe not being 100% truthful with Obama allegedly mocking McCain's war injuries. It's designed to make Obama look like a monster, whereas in Rove's formulation McCain's team just got a bit ahead of itself. Again, Rove/Guliani's repeated point is that "both sides" are losing the thread, which is patently false. It simultaneously lets MCain off the hook a bit and casts blame on Obama.


by Cole Moore Odell on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:29:13 PM EST
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Re: No, no, no, no, no. (none / 0)

Agreed.  But while the media is buying that line the typically lede has been questioning McCain's personal honesty, at least for the past coupla' cycles.  That's gotta' hurt.

And it occurs to me that Rove is content to put a wee bit of distance between himself and this particular Republican presidential campaign, just for his legacy's sake.  We'll see.  There seems to be plenty of discontent among the Republican 'old guard,' particularly the national security and economic specialists, about the direction the campaign has taken.  Granted if McCain wins all will be forgiven but if he doesn't the knives will be out and the 'social values' conservatives suffer another setback within the party.  This is obviously the direction the McCain is headed both in terms of Palin and the gist of their campaign narrative at this point.  I reckon it's a risky bet.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 10:31:11 PM EST
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Amateurs (none / 0)

     As a professional liar, Rove quite rightly feels that "this business is being ruined by amateurs." It's not that McCain is lying any more than he was a few weeks ago--it's just that his lies are more obvious, and more reasily exposed.


by Ron Thompson on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:16:10 PM EST


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