A Truthiness Problem for McCain

Back in 2000, one of the real drags on the Gore campaign was the perception pushed forward by the establishment media that the Democratic nominee was less than truthful. Interestingly enough, it's looking increasingly possible that John McCain may be being tagged with the label of "liar", which might cause some real headaches for his candidacy going forward. Take a look, for instance, at this exchange from ABC's "The View" from yesterday:

It's not just the hosts of "The View" hitting McCain for not being truthful in his attacks on Barack Obama, in his storytelling about Sarah Palin's experience and background -- about you name it -- we're beginning to see some of the most established names in the news business calling out McCain's truthfulness. And it's occurring even on the most mundane issues. Take a look at this report today from Bloomberg running under the headline, "McCain-Palin Crowd-Size Estimates Not Backed by Officials."

Senator John McCain has drawn some of the biggest crowds of his presidential campaign since adding Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his ticket on Aug. 29. Now officials say they can't substantiate the figures McCain's aides are claiming.

McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.

Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson said his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Wilson, in an interview, said the fire department does not monitor attendance at outdoor events.

In recent days, journalists attending the rallies have been raising questions about the crowd estimates with the campaign. In a story on Sept. 11 about Palin's attraction for some Virginia women voters, Washington Post reporter Marc Fisher estimated the crowd to be 8,000, not the 23,000 cited by the campaign.

The McCain campaign may believe that it will be able to get away with stretching teh truth -- at times even beyond the point of recognition. Indeed, it appears that the campaign is intent on continuing these questionable practices. But while McCain has been able to ride the tide of these tactics to a point where today he's tied in the national polling, or perhaps a couple of points ahead, it's not clear to me that McCain can weather much more press calling his ability to be truthful with the American people -- to be a "straight shooter" -- into question, because all of the sudden the first thought that may come to voters' minds with regards to McCain will not be his long tenure of service to the country but rather the continued falsehoods coming out of his campaign and even his own mouth.



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Re: A Truthiness Problem for McCain (2.00 / 0)

I was in high school when Gore won.* My parents talked about how being tagged a liar was just devastating and Gore wasn't even running as a Maverick.

That article by Politico said it all about McCain's campaign and McCain individually.  He has a bunch of young assholes who think that because they have lied and gotten away with it before it will work this time.

The problem is that McCain has a brand and when all you have is your brand and it is destroyed, you are in serious trouble.


by sweet potato pie on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 05:28:56 PM EST

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And this is why it is the responsibility of every ethical human being who longs for a less divided country to vote for Obama. If McCain wins, we will see the GOP run their dirty tricks for an eternity. And the people will just be even more susceptible to it. We need to make the narrative that McCain could have won if he'd run a straight campaign.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:24:52 PM EST
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Re: A Truthiness Problem for McCain (2.00 / 0)

Difference between a Democrat writing your post and a Republican:

                            Democrat
McCain MAY have a problem with voters, and this or that may happen.

                           Republican
When the Democrat talks, don't trust a word he says.

Which one is reactive and which one is offfensive action? Why leave it to people to decide this on their own. Why wait for the facts to fall into place to make the assertion? I just don't get the Democrats at all.


by bruh3 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 05:30:30 PM EST

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Go check out the Great Orange Satan:

McCain's Tall Tales
Blowback for Lying?
Lying Theme Debuts in the Big Media
Sarah Palin: Not Just a Liar, But a Bad Liar
Palin's Latest Lie: Energy, Alaska and THE Math
Resume padding
Greenspan: McCain Is Wrong On Tax Cuts
John McCain Thinks Facts Are Fungible

Not all Dems are quite so gentle.

Actually, here are some quotes from the Obama campaign (cribbed from Washington Monthly:


There's yesterday afternoon...

   "[I]t's clear that John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose an election."

...yesterday early evening...

   "The McCain campaign's lies make it clear that John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose this election."

...this morning, after we learned Palin lied about having been to Iraq...

   "The McCain campaign said Governor Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, but now we know she supported it. They said she didn't seek earmarks, but now we know she hired a lobbyist to get millions in pork for her town and her state. They said she visited Iraq, but today we learned that she only stopped at the border. Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"

...and then this afternoon.

   "We will take no lectures from John McCain who is cynically running the sleaziest and least honorable campaign in modern Presidential campaign history. His discredited ads with disgusting lies are running all over the country today. He runs a campaign not worthy of the office he is seeking."

I like that last one particularly.


by letterc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:30:34 AM EST
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Re: A Truthiness Problem for McCain (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, and Obama just took the shackles off of the 527 too.  This could be fun.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 05:32:14 PM EST

dangit (2.00 / 0)

I just wrote a diary on this exact theme. ::shakes fist at Jonathan Thunder Stealer:: =)

Ironically enough, I think this is going to be a test of McCain's arrogance. He's playing chicken with the media, and it looks like his campaign truly believes the media is irrelevant.

If that is true (and in some ways I hope it is), this is a paradigm-changing election. If that's false, he just flipped off a thundercloud while flying a kite.


by Neef on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 05:53:52 PM EST

Re: dangit (2.00 / 1)

Marc Ambinder said it as soon as all this started with the Sarah Palin baby hoopla (paraphrasing): "Does John McCain really think he can declare war on the media two months before the election and win?"


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:30:21 PM EST
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That's a damn good question (2.00 / 0)

whoever wins.

I can't help but think that gives the media an actual stake. Are they willing to be consigned to irrelevance?


by Neef on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:35:11 PM EST
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Re: A Truthiness Problem for McCain (2.00 / 0)

The best ad that i'v seen this cycle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHABGmgo5 Ng


by bruh3 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:05:17 PM EST

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This is a bit OT but relevant to how disgusting the GOP has become.  

A "Values" Voter Summit is selling Obama Waffles complete with an Aunt Jemima looking Obama dressed in muslim garb.  The box says "point box toward mecca for tastier waffles."

http://larisaunplugged.typepad.com/obama waffle2.jpg

Here is Lou Dobbs buying a box:
http://obamawaffles.typepad.com/obama_da ily_waffles/images/2008/09/12/img_0234.j pg

Read more about it:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/relig ious-right-values-voters-summit.html


I voted for Hillary!
by deepee on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:09:28 PM EST

They are overreaching (2.00 / 0)

See, the "waffles" bit is funny, until you add Obama Jemima. I know stauch conservatives that would laugh at the former joke, but be turned off by the latter.


by Neef on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:19:19 PM EST
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Re: They are overreaching (2.00 / 0)

Oh, it would be a real knee slapper except for the fact that McCain has changed his position on just about everything over the last few years.


I voted for Hillary!
by deepee on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:23:30 PM EST
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Re: They are overreaching (none / 0)

Oh ya, it is a partisan cut that goes both ways.

I think the "flip flopper" thing is a bit played out because Bush ran the idea of a never changing politician into the ground.


by dMarx on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 07:58:03 PM EST
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Re: They are overreaching (none / 0)

There is also the basic problem that mocking someone for liking waffles by selling waffle mix is a little like mocking someone for suggesting that keeping your tires inflated will save more gas than offshore drilling by distributing tire pressure gauges. The person who buys the Obama waffles and makes them then thinks, "Gee, I'd forgotten how good waffles are. Thanks, GOP, for reminding me that Obama is right that waffles are good. You know what goes great with waffles? Orange juice!" Trying to cast waffles and orange juice as effete and foreign was definitely one of the weirdest and dumbest moments this election year.

It is also weak because Obama isn't known for "waffling."

So they had to turn the waffles into a disgusting racist and anti-Muslim thing, which doesn't even link up well with waffles anyway.


by letterc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:38:14 AM EST
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Re: They are overreaching (none / 0)

I see your point, but the waffles part isn't even funny, because McCain is the perceived flip-flopper. I think this  whole gimmick started with the Obama Jemima bit and worked it's way backwards to the waffles. I'm an AA, and I have seen the thick lips caricature elsewhere, and it was ALWAYS stereotypical.
I'm sure Muslims enjoyed the 'face box towards Mecca' as well.
All in all, there is nothing funny here.
Now Lou Dobbs being photographed with a box......
that's priceless.....The M$M needs to run with that
A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 02:58:21 PM EST
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Fairfax Virginia Rally (none / 0)

I don't know about the crowd size at Fairfax Virginia.  

See the picture here on flickr

Does that look like 8,000 or 23,000 people?


by dMarx on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:16:09 PM EST

Re: Fairfax Virginia Rally (none / 0)

This arena holds about 20,000 people and you are seeing about 1/4 of it in this picture:
http://obama.3cdn.net/0c128e8cc7deee9ceb _yzm6bng8p.jpg

I voted for Hillary!
by deepee on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:30:13 PM EST
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Re: Fairfax Virginia Rally (none / 0)

A reporter from the New York Times was there and estimated 15,000.  It certainly looks like less than 23,000 to me.


by dMarx on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 08:00:18 PM EST
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Caption is wrong on that (none / 0)

It says "McCain/Palin Rally".

It should be "McCain attends Palin Rally"


by Neef on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:37:52 PM EST
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Re: A Truthiness Problem for McCain (none / 0)

If you can get away with lying a nation into war, what's the chance it will a lick of difference McShame is lying to win a silly election?

So what if he lies, the media will just call it smart strategy.


by spectator consumer on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:26:46 PM EST

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They're not. All that is needed is for Obama to give them a reason to keep asking.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 06:31:30 PM EST
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McCain's problem is that he is lying badly and baldly about stupid things and things that are easily documented.

Lying about secret expert knowledge is much easier to get away with than lying about your running mate's public record, or lying about what your opponent said in an ad, or what you said last week on tape.

Also, the press has started talking about McCain's lies and lightning hasn't struck. Now the issue of the day is no longer McCain said this about Obama and Obama said this in response, it is Obama says McCain is lying, and McCain says he isn't. Fact check lying McCain is actually a very easy game for the press to play, and it has the simple (and tragic) narrative of "Look at the heroic, honorable McCain, who has sold his soul and his dignity for a mess of porridge." I can't see this going away any time soon.


by letterc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 06:49:15 AM EST
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If McCain can't be truthful about the other things I've been reading  about, how are we to believe his crowd estimates?


by spirowasright on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 07:02:28 PM EST

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THE VIEW did this?  what next, palin getting a hard hitting interview from that news reporter muppet on sesame street?  where the hell is the MSM?  


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 07:47:35 PM EST

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Kicking McCain in the teeth. The Palin-Gibson interview was supposed to be ridiculous softball (all the blogs complained about it, and the McCain campaign surely wanted an easy first interview), and it wasn't particularly cruel or "gotcha," but Gibson asked solid questions and did decent follow up on Palin's non-answers. The Washington Post and the New York Times have been covering Palin and McCain's lies on pretty much a daily basis.


by letterc on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 07:22:18 AM EST
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"the first thought that may come to voters' minds with regards to McCain will not be his long tenure of service to the country but rather the continued falsehoods coming out of his campaign and even his own mouth."

Just say it in simple terms: McCain is a liar! Many people will think McCain and then think liar.


by Steve24 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 11:00:46 PM EST

McCain has a lying problem (none / 0)

If he had a truthiness problem, it would mean that people believed something bad about him that felt true but wasn't.

McCain's problem is that his lying is starting to turn into a msm meme with legs.

Obama has a truthiness problem around the idea that he will raise most peoples taxes.  He won't but everyone "knows" that Democrats always raise taxes.

McCain problem is that his lying is eroding the truthiness of his "straight talk" brand.  So in that sense he has a truthiness problem.


by marcbrazeau on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 09:54:58 AM EST

Re: Is it a so what? (none / 0)

The real unanswered and still unanswerable question is, does it make a difference that the MSM is beginning to call him out for his truthiness.  Will two months of the MSM calling him on his lies (assuming they will) cause enough voters to not vote for him?  

Who knows?


by daddy0298 on Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 11:16:41 AM EST


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