Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So

There's been quite a bit of hand-wringing about whether Hillary Clinton is doing enough for Barack Obama. Funny thing though, I didn't see those same very concerned folks covering the New Mexico event she held for him a few weeks ago, an event it should be noted that neither CNN nor local blogs covered.

Whenever I've been asked about it, I've simply said what I thought was obvious: that she's only doing what she's being asked to do by the Obama campaign. And as for whether she should be taking on Palin more directly, I think dispatching governors like Ed Rendell to go after her as a fellow governor is far more effective than dispatching Hillary just because she's a woman. I don't fully agree with Howard Wolfson's recent editorial but he's right about one thing -- there is a disturbing element to the thirst for a "cat fight" in the calls for a sort of Hillary vs. Sarah grudge match.

So I was happy, if unsurprised, to learn from a source that Barack Obama called Hillary Clinton yesterday to thank her for what she's doing on behalf of the campaign. During their conversation, I'm told he thanked her specifically for what she was saying on the campaign trail. The fact is the Obama campaign is working closely with Hillary Clinton on her role in the campaign and will continue to do so until election day.

Update [2008-9-10 14:2:10 by Todd Beeton]:It should be noted that most of the "Hillary isn't doing enough" stuff is coming from the media who, tired of the unity storyline, wants desperately to cover a Hillary vs. Sarah fight to the death. Instead of wondering why Hillary and Barack aren't feeding that beast, however, shouldn't we instead be advancing a counter narrative: that Hillary Clinton is passionately campaigning for Barack Obama in areas where she performed strongly in the primary as she did in Florida this week:

Earlier, in Kissimmee, at a community event on the economy, she asserted that the Republicans proposed few if any positive domestic policies during their convention in St. Paul.

“I didn’t see that from Senator McCain and Governor Palin,” Mrs. Clinton said in one of only a handful of explicit references to Ms. Palin on Monday. “I saw more of the same.”

In Orlando, Mrs. Clinton appeared at a convention of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which was one of the first unions to endorse her for president and which has yet to endorse a candidate in the general election.

Drawing cheers and applause from the 1,600 people in the room, Mrs. Clinton said that “we must work as hard as we possibly can” to elect Mr. Obama, and suggested that her supporters needed to put aside personal loyalty to her former candidacy and embrace him as the best hope for their interests.

“Who are you for?” Mrs. Clinton said. “That’s the wrong question. It should be: Who is for you? Who will fight for you?”

Still have complaints about Hillary's engagement on the campaign trail, seems to me it should be directed to the man at the top of the ticket.



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Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

Thank you, Todd, I mentioned in Natasha's post below yours that if Obama wanted Clinton to be attacking Palin, that's what she would be doing.
But we need to keep focused on the issues, and stop running after the red flags the republicans are waving in front of us. They want us to be talking about Palin so we don't talk about the economy, that we don't talk about the Freddie and Fannie bailout, etc. etc.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 01:49:15 PM EST

Oh Be Careful (2.00 / 3)

You are taking away one of the big sensationalist story lines for the media: Tension between Obama and Hillary.


by Davidsfr on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 01:51:17 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 3)

The thing is the "cat fight" is just some looking for another excuse to claim that since they are women they will always fight (by implication over fashion and other "silly" stuff) and thus (in their tiny minds) it "proves" they are not fit for any office. Sarah is too stupid to realize she is helping nobody by her actions and Hillary just brushes it off because she is a pro. So for the tiny minded folks that confuses them greatly. And so we get people complaining about HRC not doing anough while ignoring whatever she does do.


by zerosumgame on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 01:52:18 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

i saw some of her speech in florida the other day and thought "what the heck is she doing there?  go to ohio!"  then i saw the polls.  good call Hillary, and good call big O!  now, SEND BILL AND BIDEN TO OHIO, PA, AND IN.  then rotate!


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:02:41 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

Hand wringing is exactly what it is.  Both Barack and Hillary are too smart to think that a Hillary vs. Palin fist fight gets us anywhere. They've got a plan, and they're sticking to it.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:04:34 PM EST

dont even get me started............. (none / 0)

That's all I have to say.  The NOTION that Hillary owes the Obama campaign any more is absurd.  Let them fight their own battles.  If Hillary WANTS to help- so be it.  Otherwise, I'd say she and Bill have done and said more than enough.  

Maybe she should get an "Obama rainbow" tattoo on her ankle? Or maybe her forehead?

Ugh.  I really can't stand this dynamic.  It just brings all the primary bitterness right back to me- just when I'm TRYING to warm up to Obama.  Yikes.


by easyE on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:05:41 PM EST

It's not about owing (2.00 / 3)

it's about doing what's best for the country. If they truly believe Obama needs to win, then they, like we all, must do whatever they can do to see him through to victory. Hillary and Bill have a lot of sway over voters Obama needs. If they don't want Obama to win, then fine, they don't have to do anything, but since they say they do, then they do have an obligation, not to Obama, but to their own beliefs and to their country.

If the tables were turned, I would implore Obama to do exactly the same. He should be hitting the ground in African-American communities and colleges and universities (since that's where she would be hurting) to get out voters for her.

They don't owe Obama, they owe their word that they'll do whatever they can do to acheive what they believe is best for the country.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:11:02 PM EST
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Re: dont even get me started............. (none / 0)

Coming from the Obama side, I'm sick of this too.  

Hillary has done everything she should have and more.  Whatever phantom 'debt' that existed has been repaid with extra interest thrown in.

I find it demeaning to her and to her supporters that she 'needs' to take on Palin because she is a woman too and maybe McCain chose Palin to grab Hillary voters.  Hillary is more than a voice for women, she is a voice for Americans.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:27:04 PM EST
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Who cares? (none / 0)

Hillary is yesterday's news.  Nobody cares about her anymore.  She can't do much to help Obama.  It's Obama v. Palin/Mccain.


by JJE on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:09:50 PM EST

It's Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin (2.00 / 1)


by activatedbybush on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:21:25 PM EST
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Not really (none / 0)


by JJE on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:30:14 PM EST
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You guys are being pretty naiive (none / 0)

Barack Obama can't do this on his own.


by activatedbybush on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:49:10 PM EST
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Not sure what you mean (none / 0)

but this election is currently framed as Obama vs. Palin and her sidekick McCain.  That will be the decision for the voters.  Few are going to care much about Biden or the Clintons or anybody else.


by JJE on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:36:20 PM EST
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You are presuming that this frame will last (none / 0)

which it won't.  It will be principally about the people at the top of the ticket, with an assist from both vps.


by activatedbybush on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 05:00:16 PM EST
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actually I said "currently" (none / 0)

and tried to make it fairly clear I was talking about right now.


by JJE on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 06:08:19 PM EST
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Sorry - I misunderstood (none / 0)

In which case the original comment made is irrelevant


by activatedbybush on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 06:53:21 PM EST
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No problem (none / 0)

I tried to make it clear but I wasn't that successful upon review of my comment.  I do hope that the election is about more than we've seen in the last 10 days but I am cynical about our political culture.  


by JJE on Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 02:17:51 AM EST
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Re: It's Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin (2.00 / 1)

no, no, mccain's number three now.  the guy can't get people to come to his rally's without her, and she's the attack dog and the personality.  she's rallied the base and has the excitement.  hell, if biden has a gaffe, or a "you're no jack kennedy" moment, mccain'll be number four.


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:31:39 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 2)

Maybe a fellow front pager would read your diary...

He was tired of her during the primary after the Kennedy thing and wanted her to drop out , now he wants her back on the trail attacking and apparently she is not doing enough for the front pager....


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:10:05 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

Perhaps he wants her out on the campaign trail as opposed to sitting at home, cleaning her guns.  You never know.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:18:56 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (none / 0)

OK, that was good.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 07:49:42 PM EST
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McCain McSame McBush44 (2.00 / 1)

"Anybody who believes that the Republicans, whoever they are, can fix the mess they created probably believes that the iceberg could have saved the Titanic." -Hillary Clinton

McCain would like nothing better than a catfight and paint Hillary as one of Obama's wolves.

Obama would do well to use the "lipstick on a pig" line every day until the election.  Rural voters know exactly what it means.  Palin is the "lipstick", McSame is the "pig".  That is the undertone that worries Karl Rove.


by bakho on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:19:59 PM EST

BTW, that "cat fight" comment is bull. (none / 0)

I do NOT agree with that at all. Hillary is a historymaking political figure. It is NATURAL for people to want her to address Sarah Palin, who is also making history.

The fact taht Hillary won't say boo about her, except indirectly and tangentially, gives the impression that Hillary is not 100% behind Obama.

Whether this is her intention or her actual attitude is not determined. But, that's what people perceive, and that's why the media and the Republicans continue to exploit this.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:23:34 PM EST

Is Hillary doing enough? (2.00 / 2)

Yes, sure, of course she is. In terms of the work she's putting or the effort, she definitely is. The issue isn't whether its "enough" but whether she's being as effective as she could be.

I don't know whether she should go after Palin, but I think it's bullshit to call it a potential "catfight."

If Palin were just running as a candidate, who is a woman, then yes, Hillary should not get involved just because she's a woman.

But Palin's campaign is ALL about being a woman. She's a hockey mom, she exploits her family, she talks about breaking the ceiling, she hides from the media, she cries sexism every 3 minutes.

Hillary Clinton is the perfect person to call her out on that. Palin is doing as much as she can to destroy the Clinton legacy. She's trying to ride "sexism" into the White House. Clinton could be the one to say, no, sorry. Your making this shit up. Youre the one's being sexist.


by BlueGAinDC on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:34:52 PM EST

Not about women (none / 0)

You get Palin all wrong.  Palin is seen as middle class, angry at government, an outsider and a fighter by her supporters.  Woman doesn't really enter into the mix.  Jesse Ventura would have done just as well a decade ago.  Because Palin is a blank slate, people will paint her with their own views, not necessarily the ones she holds.  Again this has nothing to do with Palin being a woman.  

So you want Hillary Clinton, an elite East Coast Washington insider who IS part of government to attack a middle class fighting hero?  Please.  Obama only wins if he as seen as the one who will fight for these voters.  There is nothing that Clinton can do to "take out" Palin.  It is up to Obama to take out Palin to show some passion and outrage about Bush economic policies and McCain trickle down.  If Obama is seen as the one fighting for the middle class, then that is what would take the wind out of Palin's sails.


by bakho on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 11:50:15 PM EST
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Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

Good on Hillary.  I loved her speech.  And the on the ground campaigning she's doing is well suited to the Obama campaign.  Let McCain get his splashy headlines - the Democrats are doing the hard work that will lead to victory.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 02:43:49 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

I think she's doing fine and likely doing what she said - whatever they ask me to do.  Obama's folks are smart and so are the Clintons - too much Hillary will turn this election into the Hillary v. Sarah show.  Heck, it's already the Sarah show.  It needs to be the Obama v. McCain show, because that's what it, in fact, is.

So I have no complaints about Hillary, what she's doing, or how she's being used.  I do, however, hope that Bill and Barack have a wonderful lunch tomorrow and that Barack asks Bill to campaign for him in key states.  It may be crass to ask too much of your primary opponent, the person you beat in a nailbiter.  There's nothing wrong with asking the most popular Democratic president since Kennedy to get out on the stump in support of the Dem candidate.  Don't want to repeat the mistake Gore made.  There's also nothing wrong with asking the first two-term (elected) Dem president since FDR for advice.  Bill loves campaigning and loves sharing his knowledge and experiences.  If Obama asks, I'm sure Bill will deliver.  But Obama has to ask.


by OGLiberal on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:02:40 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (2.00 / 1)

What? You mean Hillary isn't bitter and remorseful about her loss and not being the Veep?
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

What is the M$M going to talk about for another 20 minutes?

Hillary isn't a dumb woman. She knows that she can get a lot more done as a Senator with Obama in the WH than with McCain. 2012 is a long time from now and to think that she would sabatoge Obama now to have a run then, is ridiculous.
Also, Democrats don't usually nominate folks who have lost previously in primaries. That's the Republican's method.

Obama gets in and Hillary's takes her rightful place as Senate Majority Lead. Bill gets a SCOTUS spot.

And we get to pay them back for 14 years......


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by xodus1914 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:07:56 PM EST

thank you (none / 0)

i've been saying the same thing for quite a while now.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:48:45 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (none / 0)

I think she is.  all the polls show that, overall, women are LESS likely to vote for McCain because of Pallin.  Where he has gained is with conservative white men who hate Hillary and weren't going to vote for Obama anyway.


Scy
by scytherius on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:50:57 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary Doing Enough? Barack Thinks So (none / 0)

Barack may be wrong on this.  Hillary and Bill could almost certainly do more than he is expecting of them.  However, in the end, I doubt that it will matter; and I suspect Barack is already aware of the increasing likelihood that his candidacy will suffer the fate of John Kerry's.  In a way, I hope that he is - because until he gets desperate enough to come out fighting for a knockout, I think the fans (the voters) will almost certainly agree with the judges (the Republican owned media), and award the victory to McCain/Palin.

Good diary.


by Clarkin08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 03:59:39 PM EST

Ridiculous (2.00 / 1)

First of all, he didn't pick her as his VP and people expect her to carry the burden? Has he done enough to help her retire her debt? Maybe if he did, she would, in return, have more time to campaign.

If Obama loses, the onus is on him. I suspect the turning point will be when he picked Joe Biden.

Also, have those critics already forgotten what a great speech each Clinton gave at the convention on Obama's behalf?


by darwinism on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:04:42 PM EST

Re: Ridiculous (none / 0)

I've already said above that she's doing fine and doing all that she's been asked to do so I'm not arguing that she isn't doing enough.  What I have a problem with is this:

"Has he done enough to help her retire her debt?"

You do realize the Obama is up against a revitalized wingnut base and the RNC big money donors?  He needs every penny he can raise in order to win this election.  He also needs to be out there every day telling people why he is the better choice for president.  He can't spend half his time working the fund raising circuit for Hillary.  It's hard enough raising enough money to keep up with the GOP.

And just like Hillary is not obligated to go to bat big time for Obama, why is he obligate to help her retire her debt?

I've yet to hear Hillary complain about this herself.  Most of the noise is coming from folks who worked for her who want to get paid and big money donors pissed that they wasted their money and that they won't have jobs/influence in a Clinton administration.


by OGLiberal on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:57:51 PM EST
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MyDD Clinton Obssession Continues. (none / 0)

I wonder how long it will be before this site can have a rational discussion about the Clintons or Clintonlike behavior.  Just goes to show how much damage was done with primary tactics and continuing the race past the time it was reasonable has done to our chances in November.

Hillary is doing better than expected for Obama.  She cannot be expected to campaign better for him then she did for herself.  And most of her successful primary tactics wouldn't work for her in the general election, and are impossible to use on behalf of another.  But the media and Hillary partisans continue to work against both her and Obama.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:47:11 PM EST


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