But I am not a racist

I have been avoiding political diaries, but I could not resist writing this one.  The sight of former Pres. Clinton pleading that he is "not a racist" is very disturbing.  

Clinton at first said he did not want to rehash events of the past year because it "interferes with the issue which is who should be elected in November." But then he offered a lengthy defense of his own role and chastized the media for its coverage.

When asked, "Do you personally have any regrets about what you did, campaigning for your wife?" Clinton, at first, answered, "Yes, but not the ones you think. And it would be counterproductive for me to talk about."

But then he added, "There are things that I wish I'd urged her to do. Things I wish I'd said. Things I wish I hadn't said.

"But I am not a racist," he continued. "I've never made a racist comment and I never attacked him [Obama] personally."

Obviously, there were very many accusations of racism hurled at him (and at Sen. Clinton) during and after the campaign (sorry, I am not going to provide any links).  And obviously, some of those accusations must have hurt.

And so, it is worthwhile to consider what Pres. Clinton has been upto since leaving office.  Here are just two examples:

Malaria:

I am sure that many of you, dear readers, have traveled to a third world country in pursuit of some noble goal.  I am sure that some of you, as part of routine precautionary measures, have taken anti-malarial drugs while preparing for those travels.

Well, those anti-malarial drugs are great for you, but deadly for the "natives" ~ it breeds a stronger, deadlier malaria; and the natives cannot afford the drugs for the most part.  The right solution (in my opinion) would be to take your chances with the disease, and to be prepared to take the appropriate medication if you do get sick.

Along these lines, the Clinton foundation just announced that a 30% reduction in the the price of the anti-malarial drug ACT  Sadly, malaria is a disease that afflicts only the 3rd world.  Thus, malaria research is not very high on our priorities, even though malaria afflicts 350 million, and kills 1 million people every year.  Thus, it is quite refreshing to see any major US politician talk about malaria ~ it afflicts only about 1000 people every year in the US.  It is even more refreshing to see him talk about it in Liberia... a country founded by freed slaves returning from the US.

And while we are discussing this, we should also give some kudos to the companies that worked with the Clinton foundation on this issue.  These companies are based in India, China, and the Swiss company Novartis.


Former US president Bill Clinton announced Thursday a deal with six pharmaceutical companies from China and India to cut the price of a leading malaria treatment by 30 percent.

The firms have also reached an agreement to lower the price volatility of artemisinin, the key raw material for artemisinin-based combination therapy (ACT), by 70 percent, said Clinton, whose charitable foundation helped broker the deal.

"Nearly every life lost to malaria could have been saved with access to effective medicines," Clinton said in a statement.

"Today's announcement is an important step forward in global efforts to increase access to affordable and effective malaria treatment," he said.

"I applaud the commitments of these companies to lower volatility in this market and offer low and sustainable prices that will save more lives."

The companies taking part in the agreement include the Mumbai-based firms Calyx, Mangalam, Icpa and Cipla as well as China's Holleypharm in Chongqing and PIDI Standard in Guangzhou.

The deal will make the lower prices for the drug treatment available in 69 countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean, the Clinton Foundation said.

The price of artemisinin, a plant extract used to make anti-malaria drugs, has fluctuated by more than 700 percent due to a rapid but uneven increase in demand, the foundation said.

The Swiss pharmaceutical giant Novartis, the leading ACT supplier, absorbed much of the financial impact of the fluctuation to shield patients from higher prices, it said.

AIDS

We all know (or should know) the work done by the CLinton foundation on AIDS.  

The Clinton Foundation HIV/AIDS Initiative (CHAI) strives to make treatment for HIV/AIDS more affordable and to implement large-scale integrated care, treatment, and prevention programs. Since its inception, CHAI has helped bring AIDS care and treatment to over 750,000 people living with HIV/AIDS around the world. Its activities have included AIDS care and treatment in Africa, including the brokering of drug distribution agreements. During President Clinton's 2006 trip to Africa, CHAI signed agreements with several new countries. Over the course of the past year, CHAI increased the number of partner countries and members of the Procurement Consortium, which can purchase AIDS medicines and diagnostic equipment at CHAI's reduced prices, to 66. CHAI launched the Pediatric and Rural Initiatives in 2005 to focus on bringing AIDS care and treatment to those most often marginalized-- children and those living in rural areas. CHAI also negotiated agreements that reduce the prices of second-line drugs and rapid diagnostic tests. In May, 2007, CHAI and UNITAID announced agreements that help middle-income and low-income countries save money on second-line drugs. The partnership also reduced the price of a once-daily first-line treatment to less than $1 per day.

The model used for AIDS is similar to what they are using for malaria: (a) use volumes to negotiate lower rates (b) approach "generic" drug makers in India and China for lower cost generic drugs, thereby bypassing the more expensive treatments suggested by US and European companies.

But I have so many black friends

I am sure that the cynics will view any good work done by Pres. Clinton as another example of a racist making a claim that he/she cannot be a racist because he/she has so many friends of the race towards which he/she supposedly has a prejudice against.

So be it!



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Bill is doing his part to help (1.00 / 10)

get McCain elected, so he can go to hell.

The timing of him talking about how unfairly Obama supporters painted him as a racist is NOT a coincidence, coming right after McCain made the same charge about Obama.

Hillary is trying to get Barack elected, but Bill is John's BFF.


by Geekesque on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:36:13 PM EST

Re: Bill is doing his part to help (2.00 / 4)

Listen to the whole interview, Kate Snow keeps pushing Jim Clyburn's accusations. Bill Clinton couldn't just let those accusations stand unchallenged. It is unfortunate that Clyburn keeps making them, he is giving McCain more ammunition.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:43:22 PM EST
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"I'm not going to talk about that." (2.00 / 1)

Bill was also very sparing in his praise of Obama.  

He's not over it.


by Geekesque on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:11:57 PM EST
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Re: Bill is doing his part to help (1.75 / 4)

did Bill choose the timing or did the inteviewer? You reall need to take a class on logic and the whole cause/effect thing. Oh and you can go to hell for all your trolling and denigration of democrat's


by zerosumgame on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:51:31 PM EST
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Either Bill did this on purpose (1.20 / 5)

or he didn't have the discipline to avoid taking the bait.

Either way, he's nothing but a liablity to the party now.


by Geekesque on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:12:42 PM EST
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Re: Bill is doing his part to help (2.00 / 4)

reminder --- this is a DEMOCRATIC PARTY promoting site, that in my opinion goes for respect of the Clintons. You demand respect of Obama, well it goes both directions. your comment was just right over the line.


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:39:31 PM EST
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I am sure those of you (2.00 / 2)

with CDS are sure Bill set the whole thing up and scripted it just to make Obama supporters look bad.

Go ahead...have a tantrum. It's what you do best.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:55:49 PM EST
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And here is proof... (2.00 / 2)

Look here and here for some interesting pics of Pres. Clinton that totally proves his racism!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:36:49 PM EST

Bill is not a racist. (1.40 / 10)

But he's no angel either.  He said a lot of careless, insensitive, counterproductive things.

And that pattern continues to this very interview, which is a gift to John McCain.

Quite frankly, Bill should stay in Africa until December.


by Geekesque on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:38:19 PM EST
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NO, Axlerod and the Obama (2.00 / 2)

campaign spun anything and everything the Clintons said as racist.  It was you, the OBAMA folks, who played this game.  Get real.  Bill and Hillary were beloved in the AA community and Axlerod knew the only way Obama could win was to take away Clinton's strength with AA voters.  He pulled a Rove.  Just like Rove attacked Kerry's strength, his military service, Axlerod attacked the Clintons' stength and support in that community.

Give me a break. "Fairy tale" is racist.  Calling Obama "young" is the same as calling a black man a "boy."  Who are you kidding?  No one is that naive.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:59:30 PM EST
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Re: And here is proof... (2.00 / 1)

He's certainly not a racist, but he is acting like a petulant child.  Politics is a contact sport.  The primary got overheated on both sides.  Senator Clinton and Bill lost.  

And instead of being graceful in defeat, as Senator Clinton has been, Bill pops off in a way that reinforces the McCain camps talking points.  Pitiful and absolutely indefensible for anyone that actually gives a damn about the course of this country, which cannot afford four more years of the Bush/McCain camps policies.  


by HSTruman on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:43:45 PM EST
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Re: And here is proof... (2.00 / 6)

He objects to being accused of racism. Can you imagine? So petulant!

I'm sure you would just let such public accusations stand, like an adult. You've always been so magnanimous about vicious smears.
 


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:53:01 PM EST
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Well, if Bill wants to be a party leader (none / 0)

he needs to weigh what effect his words will have.

This seems to me to indicate that Bill no longer considers himself an active Democrat.


by Geekesque on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Well, if Bill wants to be a party leader (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton can't be effective doing what he is doing if he lets the notion that he is racist take hold. He has to fight it. Allowing it to stand would hurt the Democratic party over the long term.

It is within Obama's power to shut this stuff down. He has to reign in his surrogates and publicly reiterate that Bill Clinton is no racist.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:36:24 PM EST
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Re: Well, if Bill wants to be a party leader (2.00 / 2)

perhaps some during the primary should have heeded the same advice and not slandered Clinton as a racist in the first place ---- and some should have come out fast and quick to denounce such characterisations. how exactly is defending himself is reinforcing McCain talking points?


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:46:23 PM EST
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Re: And here is proof... (2.00 / 1)

My suggestion to Bill is to take his wife's lead and handle adversity with class.  Are you seriously disagreeing with that?  

Bill is a top notch politician who knows better than just about anyone how to deflect a BS question like this.  If he didn't hate Obama, he would  have pivoted off of the question to talk about how cynical and ugly the McCain camp has been.  You know, because electing a Democrat is actually more important than his hurt feelings.  

What did he do instead?   He made the entire thing about him and his hurt feelings.  In my view, with everything that's at stake, that was classless and indefensible.  Disagree if you want, but Bill has had more than enough time to get over this stuff.  


by HSTruman on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:16:17 PM EST
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Yes it's really petulant (2.00 / 1)

You work your entire life to improve the lives in the minority community, working for civil rights with those folks in the minority community, so how dare you get insulted when they call you a racist

For a democrat there is no greater insult.  It was the OBAMA campaign who did this.  Not Bill Clinton.
And now the scam is out and it's not working.  You know why.  Read the Aesop fable about "crying wolf,"

Nothing is more disgusting than calling good folks racists.  It demeans the notion and it lets real racism off the hook.   It's not going to work again. It should have never happened to begin with....
especially from a campaign that said their opponents would do ANYTHING to win when in reality it was the Obama campaign who saw nothing as too low and too perverted.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:04:06 PM EST
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Re: Yes it's really petulant (2.00 / 1)

If you want to relitigate the primaries, engage with someone else.  I said in my comment that Bill Clinton was not racist.  Senator Obama never said he was.  Bill did use racially insensitive language.  He's human, just like the rest of us, and we all are capable of racial insensitivity from time to time.  

If you want to wast time arguing about that, go for it.  Personally, I'd rather talk about what the party needs to do to make sure that the GOP doesn't get another four years to try and destroy the country.  That's a heck of a lot more important to me than Bill Clinton's ego, which is really all this diary is about.  He's still made, and therefore he decided to stick a knife in the Democratic nominee's back.  If he really cares about the issues he's spent his life's work pursuing, that needs to change and in a hurry.  


by HSTruman on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:33:07 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 2)

Bill Clinton is quite clearly not a racist.  That said, he was willing to do whatever it took to get Hillary nominated.  This doesn't make him a racist any more than it makes Ted Kennedy a sexist, but the nomination battle is over and it's time for Bill to get on the bus.


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:44:00 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 2)

I think you will find that many people dont want him on the bus!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:46:10 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 2)

I don't want him under the bus or driving the bus, but I'd love to have him on board as a passenger.

As long as he doesn't keep bothering the driver.


by TCQuad on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:53:17 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 2)

"Behind the yellow line, Bill!"


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:55:14 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

that may be, but, look, if Bill came out and gave Obama 100 % support including the "thumbs up" and the "bite my lower lip", the crowd would go nuts and we'd all ride off into the sunset together.  i'm not convinced this would move the electoral needle all that much, but no reason to keep this poison going.  this is one of those things that could get out of control if we're not careful.


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:58:19 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 5)

Unfortunately, hurling accusations of racism are like opening Pandora's box... I think you will also find that he (Pres. Clinton) will have a hard time getting behind the yellow line with the likes of those who consider him to be a racist.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:59:44 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 1)

"the likes of those who consider him to be a racist."

any more straw in that man and it'll start singing "If I Only Had a Brain".


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:01:19 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

as you wish!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

yeah, but like in the Wizard of Oz, not like Harry Connick Jr.  He cavorts with the gays, you know.


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:08:06 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

excuse me? where are you trying to go with that cavorting comment???


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

i guess snark is not as self-evident as one would like it to be.  it was a reference to his roll on Will & Grace.


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:00:04 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 1)

didn't think the show was funny, and found the stereotyping insulting. so, i didn't get the snark. i'm probably not alone in that either.


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:07:15 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

you do realize that the word "fun" appears in your online name, right?


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:16:31 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

it's 'FFun'....   and i was just checking since you can't tell with the homophobic shit slipping into threads sometimes. nothing to see here though obviously.... ;-)


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:26:59 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 1)

the first step in 'mending this fence' is to stop the denial....  there's no straw man in this thread.


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:49:20 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

ugh.


by the mollusk on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:00:42 PM EST
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No it was Axlerod (2.00 / 1)

who believed nothing was too low or perverted if it gets you a win.   Labeling good decent human beings as racists is as low as it gets.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:05:32 PM EST
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Re: He's not a racist (1.80 / 5)

wow, what a stupid and petulant comment for you to make


by zerosumgame on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:52:00 PM EST

please (2.00 / 1)

please, can we refrain from getting personal.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:53:32 PM EST
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Re: please (1.66 / 3)

nrafter went there, and he/she should expect such a vapid uninformed and stupid comment to get replies like that.


by zerosumgame on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:45:39 PM EST
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Re: I call them (1.50 / 2)

so did you get your Stupid and Petulant glasses from Wal-mart?


by zerosumgame on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:44:39 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 1)

Can ask what possible good the diary does for anybody? The primaries are over. It wasn't pretty and it wasn't nice at times on both sides. Especial amongst the intelligentsia. Nobody really has a lot of moral high ground here.

We can play he said, he said, she said until the elections and still somebody isn't going to be happy.

Let's face it even if both Obama and Bill did do it. Who's going to admit it? Neither.

Bill's feeling are hurt I get that, but either he moves on or he doesn't. Either he helps or he doesn't, up to him. He decides not to and concentrates on his good works I think that's great. However, I think his ability to be a leader in the party will be greatly diminished.

Disclaimer: these are the opinions of the writer and no way reflect the opinions of other MyDDers or the Admins of this site.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:58:36 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 3)

You can ask what possible good the diary does for anybody.  That is a fair question.

You can also ask what possible good your comment does for anybody.  That would also be a fair question.

The answers to both questions are identical!

I dont think Pres. Clinton is seeking to be the leader of the party... but I am guessing, obviously!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:02:17 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

I just love it when somebody answers a question with a question.

But since you did, I'll do something you would not do for me, the courtesy of an answer.

What good I thought my comment might do is to get people to stop ...

  1. reliving the past and scratching at old wounds.
  2. admit there is enough blame to go around on both sides from campaigns and supporters alike.
  3. And to point out we should stop worrying about what Bill says or does and worry about the matter at hand -  winning this election. Bill's already been there done that we don't need to worry about him.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:13:28 PM EST
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Since you asked (2.00 / 1)

and since you answered, I will answer your question too:

What good does my diary do ?

It gets people to examine the past because

1.  It is impossible to move forward without learning from the past (note, this is directly contrary to your point #1).

2.  Admit that there is enough blame to go around.. specially by those that flung charges without any proof or justification.

But, in summary... we have a problem of dueling metaphors.  You claim that examining the past is sratching at old wounds.  I claim that if you do not learn from history, then you are bound to repeat it.

And so, (unless you can somehow prove that your metaphor is superior to mine), we come back to the original point:  your comment is just as useful as my diary !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:20:49 PM EST
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Re: Since you asked (none / 0)

And so, (unless you can somehow prove that your metaphor is superior to mine), we come back to the original point:  your comment is just as useful as my diary !!

Fair enough, so maybe both should have been avoided ;)


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:30:47 PM EST
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Re: Since you asked (2.00 / 1)

Hah... taking the easy way out to justify your comment!

Examining the past is a valid exercise...if done properly, it validates the "those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it".  If done improperly, it validates your metaphor (opening of old wounds is pointless).  Thus, the question of which metaphor (yours or mine) wins  is answered by how you examine the past.

Therefore, a more appropriate for you to have asked would have been:

Is this diary examining the past properly, or is it attempting to open up old wounds?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:35:44 PM EST
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Re: Since you asked (2.00 / 1)

Examining the past is a valid exercise...if done properly

Absolutely, however this recent past keeps on being examined, re-examined and then examined again. History is a good teacher, but it must become history.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:45:57 PM EST
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Re: Since you asked (2.00 / 3)

Well, on behalf of the recent events, I do so apologize for intruding on the narrative you are seeking to build.

Unfortunately, recent events have this most unfortunate habit of intruding on various narratives that various people try to build...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:49:14 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 4)

Accusing someone of race-baiting and accusing them of racism are two different things. You can use race-baiting without being a racist. All you need is a little cynicism.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:07:48 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 2)

Exactly.  And of course, electoral cynicism played both ways.

Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton is racist, but neither would scruple at using the color of Obama's skin as an effective electoral ploy.

And Obama knows that neither of them is racist, but he sure wouldn't scruple at using that implication if it helps him.

It's called politics.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:34:27 PM EST
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Don't play "gotcha" with Bill Clinton (2.00 / 5)

You have to see the full interview if it's available. And don't bother to read that article on the ABC news site as it quotes him out-of-context and doesn't give his complete answers. (Funny, cause it's written by the person who conducted the interview.)

It was so painfully obvious that the interviewer was trying to play "gotcha" with Clinton and he was not having it one bit. He completely caught her trying to change her questin mid-stream and called her on it, "but that's not what you asked". He shut her down and handled her masterfully.

Then the Good Morning America crew cut back to the studio to gleefully boast about how they sent the video to the Obama campaign for their response. The disappointing news they had to report was that the official Obama response was "bland", so they had to follow that up with, "But what do the insiders have to say about it?" so they could throw in some gossip, innuendo, and personal opinions masquerading as news.

It was the saddest and most obvious attempt I have ever seen of the media desperately trying to rehash and rekindle conflict within the Democratic party. Don't believe the hype!


by LakersFan on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:20:35 PM EST

Re: Don't play "gotcha" (2.00 / 2)

Expect such contortions to continue.
The media want/need this to be an 'up in the air' race. Anything that they can do that 'proves' the doubts about the Obama Candidacy and helps them create 'controversy' out of whole cloth...they will do it.

Personally, I think that the media looks to be grasping at straws in the same manner as the McCain Campaign....and just as with the McCain campaign, I don't expect it will cease until Nov. 5th.


by Kysen on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:56:50 PM EST
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Re: Don't play "gotcha" (2.00 / 2)

Of course. I would expect nothing less of the MSM.

Which makes it even more important for those of us who pay attention to dispel these myths as quickly as possible before they become the dominant media narrative.


by LakersFan on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:02:07 PM EST
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Really? (2.00 / 1)

I'm as staunch an Obama supporter as they come, and I'm baffled by these constant accusations that Obama called the Clintons racist. I don't think he or his campaign called anyone racist, even when it was (IMHO) warranted. Much of the Black support the Clintons lost can be attributed directly to the Clintons own words, albeit poorly portrayed by the MSM in some cases. The MLK/LBJ thing was a huge gaffe, and I suspect if you asked Sen Clinton ten yeara from now she'd agree that was a turning point.

Given this, it's really hard to tell if the diarist is doing snark. Does he really think anyone thinks Bill Clinton is racist?


by Neef on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:29:54 PM EST

Re: Really? (2.00 / 2)

Did you watch the video at all?

Kate Snow says "[Jim Clyburn] said you lost a lot of African American support ... he said you severely damaged your standing with African Americans." Then asks if there is anything he regrets.

No one can let those kinds of implications stand.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:51:21 PM EST
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Can't watch video, at work atm (2.00 / 2)

They DID lose a lot of AA support. But how does that make them racists? You can lose the support of a group without being a bigot against that group.

That should be sort of obvious, actually.


by Neef on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:56:42 PM EST
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Re: Can't watch video, at work atm (none / 0)

Doesn't that presume that they had any hope of defeating an AA candidate among the AA community? They have and will continue to have AA support. Running against an AA candidate is something different entirely, with or without Bill Clinton's South Carolina comment.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:05:05 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 3)

Exactly - Bill was patronising and arrogant about Obama (the Jesse Jackson remark) and therefore lost a lot of support.

But that emphatically does not make him a racist

I don't see what's so hard to grasp here? Unless you think that somehow AA's were somehow manipulated by a mendacious campaign to believe that Bill was racist?

Which is patronising, though not racist, in itself


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:59:04 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 2)

First of all, as Bill Clinton points out in the interview, Clyburn's charges are false, neither Clinton is particularly damaged in the African American community. In fact African Americans are the Democrats most likely to want Hillary Clinton on the ticket. Secondly yes, part of the job of a campaign is to tear down the opponent by manipulating the coverage of the opponent. As we know from the Amaya Smith memo and repeated statements from Obama chief strategist David Axelrod their strategy was to tear down Hillary and Bill Clinton by accusing them of injecting race into the campaign.

Your response shows why it is so important for Bill Clinton to fight this perception whenever the media reinforces it. Too many people think the way you do.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:16:14 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

I'm not talking about Clyburn's charges, I'm talking about what Bill said, and the votes he lost, BEFORE Clyburn changed sides.

And, not to rehearse old calumnies, but the Amaya Smith memo detailed what she thought were racist remarks by Clinton surrogates, and was thoroughly disowned by the Obama campaign. Until that point, Obama had done well in states with virtually no AAs because he was focused on a non-racial strategy. The Clinton's leaned heavily on the south to make their numbers up post Super Tuesday, but that backfired in GA, SC and MI, and they had to retreat back to Appalachia.

That was politics. Bill was a master at slicing demographics. But the Clinton campaign did too little too late.

You're trying to push the 'Obama played the race card first' meme, all over again.

I wouldn't mind, but it's debateable, and now that McCain is using the exactly the same line of attack, I think IMHO reigniting this now just gives comfort to the enemy


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:30:20 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

I've worked with Amaya Smith, I know her. Her memo was never disowned by the campaign, in fact Obama himself apologized for it in a debate and accepted that it was a divisive strategy. Axelrod continued to quote the memo and use the strategy throughout the primary.

Who played what first is irrelevant, as long as the media is using the charge to divide Democrats Bill Clinton must fight it.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:41:57 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

So you admit Obama disowned it. Great.

Bill Clinton can defend himself. It seems to me the height of personal whining, and also a complete synergy with Republican tactics, to push this right now.

If you're a real democrat, you should know that McCain is trying the same strategy - 'make it look like Obama pushed the race button first' - while, unlike Bill, making a dog whistle to Republican racists.

Keep pushing this at your peril. I'm not saying it shouldn't be debated - I expended god knows how many megabytes of bandwidth on this a couple of months ago. But now you're just doing the republicans work for them


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:48:03 PM EST
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Re: Really? (none / 0)

'real Democrat'???? seriously!!  at minimum the context is poor, and the phrasing sad --- are you insinuating that Clinton is no longer a 'real Democrat'???


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:59:55 PM EST
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Parsing grammar (2.00 / 1)

In what grammatical universe does a second person pronoun (you) suddenly refer to a third person (Bill Clinton)? I think you might need to buy some spectacles


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:12:51 PM EST
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Re: Parsing grammar (none / 0)

spectacles???     hihihihi, that's just a cute word.


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 06:22:17 PM EST
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Re: Really? (none / 0)

Good grief. And I suppose you worked with Axelrod too, and know he continued to use the strategy.


by Neef on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:52:15 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

Nope, never had the pleasure. He sure is good at what he does.

Read this article from March to see Axelrod quoting the memo and pushing the strategy. Came up again during the NC primary in May.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:04:34 PM EST
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Fox news, from March!! (none / 0)

You really ought to try harder than that


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:14:05 PM EST
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"quoting the memo"? (none / 0)

And the Ferraro story is your example?? Oy. This is the same Ferraro who believes both Black Presidential candidates were "lucky". The same Ferraro that believes "black journalists" are Obama surrogates.

What you get from this story is that he's "reading from the memo". Like Ferraro didn't even happen, she's just background to this purported strategy of his. Everything she said is ok, but Axelrod can't even push back.

I suspect if the Clintons had fired an RPG at Obama, you'd accuse him of making them waste money on munitions.


by Neef on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 06:13:17 PM EST
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Re: "quoting the memo"? (2.00 / 1)

Obama chief strategist David Axelrod suggested the emphasis on race is part of an underlying effort that has continued for months. He noted other allegedly insensitive comments by Clinton supporters BET founder Bob Johnson and New Hampshire co-chairman Bill Shaheen.

"All this is part of an insidious pattern that needs to be addressed," Axelrod told reporters on a conference call Tuesday. "When you wink and nod at offensive statements, you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes."

You asked how I knew Axelrod was continuing the strategy of charging Bill and Hillary Clinton with an insidious pattern of offensive racial statements. So I pointed to news reports of Axelrod doing so. You can't have it both ways, either the Obama campaign charged the Clinton campaign with using race or it didn't. Trying to change the subject when confronted with evidence that the Obama campaign continued to do so does not help your argument.


by souvarine on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 06:34:44 PM EST
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Get a grip (2.00 / 1)

People know, supported Jesse Jackson in the 80s and respect all he has done for civil rights are damn insulted when pompous elites say comparing Obama to Jesse is an insult.  It shows your ignorance.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:08:13 PM EST
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Nice try (2.00 / 1)

Comparing Obama's electoral chances to Jesse Jackson was clearly patronising and wrong. Don't try to make it an issue of character. It was an issue of electoral appeal.


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:16:24 PM EST
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I'm cutting Bill some slack (2.00 / 3)

The guy really hasn't been the same since his heart surgery.  I don't think he exhibits nearly as much savvy now as he once did when he was president.

He did take racially tinged potshots at Obama, as well as patriotism-based potshots, and a few other nasty remarks, but all that is water under the bridge after a tough primary.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:39:22 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 5)

Clyburn and his ilk are the ones who should be apologizing to both Bill and Hillary Clinton and the american people. Their tactics were disgusting and I think Bill is really biting his tongue here. I look forward to the election being over and the truth coming out.


by Iceblinkjm on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:46:14 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 5)

The Obama campaign never directly called the Clintons racists or race baiters, but supporters like Brazile and Clyburn insinuated they were. Blogs that supported Obama and the MSM joined in.

Democratic politics have reached a new low when the Clintons are accused by other democrats of racism and race baiting. That's something even the Republicans haven't done.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:51:02 PM EST

Re: But I am not a racist (2.00 / 1)

It works both ways. Many Dems feel that the 3 a.m. ad and the 'hard working white people' was something Dems would never do. But it was done.

Get over it already. These kind of tensions were bound to happen with two outstanding and unusual candidates.

If I can give the benefit of the doubt to Clinton, her campaign, and supporters, I don't see why you can't.


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:02:11 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (1.50 / 2)

Aren't you a British citizen? Seriously when you look at the British parliament and for most of Western Europe diversity is an after thought. Perhaps you don't get how vicious this attack was against the Clintons. It shoud not be gotten over. Those who participated in this went too far. Bill Clinton is angry and has every right to be.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:36:07 PM EST
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Switch and bait (2.00 / 4)

Bill is irrelevant now. He's a former President. Carter is angry. They can defend their own legacies.

Your ad hominem, and ad patria, is pathetic. I've worked and lived in the US, married a US citizen, and as for diversity - I've got Bajians and Kenyans in my family, so eff off with personal bullshit


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:42:24 PM EST
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Re: Switch and bait (2.00 / 3)

all i can say is that i hope Obama doesn't believe Clinton (either one) is irrelevant now. what a truly idiotic idea, and what a major handicap that'd be for a President Obama.


by swissffun on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:04:58 PM EST
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Re: Switch and bait (1.66 / 3)

I didn't make it personal, but you have. I was pointing out the inadequacies of your logic.

Marrying a US citizen or having people of color in the family doesn't mean you get the history of racism in this country and how serious the allegations are against the Clintons.

Your British citizensip also means you come from a culture where diversity rarely exists in government so it is easy for you to reduce allegations of racism during the primary as tension.

Bill Clinton will never be irrelevant, which is another flaw in your argument. There is no Democrat who has been more loyal or dedicated to this party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:24:00 PM EST
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Re: Switch and bait (2.00 / 1)

You're the one whose logic is woefully inadequate if you think that your non-knowledge of my background gives your case more credence.

What precisely is your experience of 'racism in the US' that I should bow down before it? Does it trump that of my several African American friends? And if it does, how are you going to prove it?

That's where Ad hominem leads you, buddy. It's the first logical fallacy in the book.


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:35:49 PM EST
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Re: Switch and bait (2.00 / 2)

And your whiteness should disqualify you to discuss racism as you would know nothing about what it feels like to be discriminated against.


by venician on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:16:31 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

feelfree; I up-rated a couple of your comments earlier this month.  Was there some reason you troll-rated me today?


by cameoanne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:39:33 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

Thank you for the upratings you say you gave earlier this month. I always try to return the gesture, a mojo for a mojo.

However today the gesture I am returning is the troll rating you gave me today.

Have a peaceful day!


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:51:30 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

I checked, and did not see any - or couldn't find it.  Did your comment get hidden?  What was the comment or Diary title?


by cameoanne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:03:02 PM EST
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Re: But I am not a racist (none / 0)

If your comment got hidden - or "hide-rated", it could be that I was trying to "rescue" it with a 1 rating as per the Mydd site rules here.

If that is the case, you should probably uprate my comment which was simply thanking a Diarist for an Olympics Diary that did not get much attention here.


by cameoanne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:12:03 PM EST
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Do you even know (2.00 / 1)

what demographics are?  Working white people are a specific demographic.  Black women are a specific demographic and then is broken into black college women, black non college eductar.  White women, educated, not educated.  White males, black males....

all demographics are compared to how they trend to voting.....

so get over it.  When people are allowed to talk about how parts of the black community vote, they sure as hell ought to be allowed to talk about how the parts of the white community votes.  To say our language and statistics should be limited by race is ignorant and racist.


by Jjc2008 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:12:15 PM EST
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What demographic are you? (none / 0)

Intellectually challenged? You can keep your straw man. Play with it all you like. What I said was:

Many Dems feel that the 3 a.m. ad and the 'hard working white people' was something Dems would never do. But it was done. Get over it already.


by duende on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:40:30 PM EST
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