Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control

Gov. Palin is a prominent member of Feminists For Life, a fundamentalist group advocating prison for doctors who perform abortions under any circumstances.  FFL also opposes birth control, even for married couples.

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Nice slogan, eh?  "Refuse to Choose"

(FFL states that it does not endorse politicians, despite the banner on their homepage endorsing Gov. Palin for Vice President.)

FFL president Serrin Foster does not handle the question of contraception well, but dances around the topic knowing that the 5% of sexually active women make up 50% of abortions, therefore contraception is the #1 means of avoiding both unwanted pregnancy and abortions.  In fact, FFL pamphlets atribute breast cancer to contraceptives, despite a complete lack of medical evidence to support the claim.

Palin and "Femistists for Life" oppose Birth Control

The problem is that FFL doesn't just oppose abortion. FFL wants abortion to be illegal. All abortions, period, including those for rape, incest, health, major fetal defects and, although Foster resisted admitting this, even some abortions most doctors would say were necessary to save the woman's life. (Although FFL is not a Catholic organization, its rejection of therapeutic abortion follows Catholic doctrine.) FFL wants doctors who perform abortions to be punished, possibly with prison terms.

It was extremely difficult to get Foster to say what she thought would happen if abortion was banned. At one point she would not concede that women would continue to have abortions if it was recriminalized; at another she argued that criminalization was no big deal: Instructions on self-abortion were posted on the Internet. I had to work to get her to admit that illegal abortion was common before Roe, and that it was dangerous--numbers on abortion deaths were concocted by pre-Roe legalization advocates, she told me. Yet the FFL website prominently features gory stories of abortion mishaps and discredited claims that abortion causes breast cancer. (Challenged on the cancer connection, Foster says they just want women to have medical information. Asked why they don't then link to the 2004 Lancet article debunking their cancer claims, she says they are not medical experts and have considered taking the cancer pages down.) So legal abortion is dangerous but illegal abortion would be safe? When I pointed out that in countries where the operation is banned, such as Brazil and Peru, rates are sky-high and abortion a major cause of injury and death, she professed ignorance.

I got similarly evasive answers when I asked why FFL didn't promote birth control, and when I asked if FFL considered the pill an "abortifacient." She did tell me that "birth control doesn't work" for swing-shift nurses because they lose track of their body clock--interesting, if true--or for teenagers, which I know to be false.

FFL falls in line with the most extreme anti-choice anti-contraceptive groups:

Today, pro-life groups in the U.S. are reclassifying the most common contraception methods, including the birth control pill, the patch, the IUD and the depo-shot, as "abortifacients," claiming, with no scientific backing, that they cause abortions. On their website, Feminists for Life classifies emergency contraception as an abortion method. If this were true, Feminists for Life should also classify 40 percent of all birth control methods as abortion methods because they all have the same mode of action as emergency contraception. Feminists for Life's colleague, the American Life League, shares this view explaining, "We have been working to prove that prescription contraceptives have nothing to do with women's health and well-being but are recreational drugs that prevent fertilization and abort children."  Northern Kentucky Right to Life will only endorse candidates who believe the use of the standard birth control pill constitutes abortion. Most chillingly, Army of God, a pro-life organization that lists those who murder abortion providers as "heroes," also classifies birth control as an abortion method. On the "Birth Control is Evil" section of their website they explain, quite threateningly, "Birth control is evil and a sin. Birth control is anti-baby and anti-child...Why would you stop your own child from being conceived or born? What kind of human being are you?"

Apparently, even counselling the use of birth control contributes to the suffering of victims of incest:

Furthermore, birth control counselling and abortion often indirectly contribute to the victim's sense of shame, guilt, and blame for what is happening, since she is
told to "take control" and "be responsible" for her "sexual activity," implying that this situation is indeed within her power to control.

Gosh, won't it be great for women to have Gov. Palin in DC! With any luck Sarah Palin could become President and appoint a Supreme Court Justice or two...

I gotta run tell my daughters how excited I am.

-chris



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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 2)

Palin: Fundamentalist.


by Jordache on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:42:27 PM EST

Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 1)

Fundamentalist and of a much more fanatical stripe than most.


by mady on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:25:01 PM EST
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I had written a diary at DailyKos (none / 0)

with the assumption Palin was anti-birth control. I got half way through writing it and did research and found somewhere that Palin is actually pro-birth control, which sort of shot down the premise of my diary: should we ask Palin if she uses birth control? But now that it seems she may at least in a limited way be against birth control, would it be appropriate to ask if in fact she does use birth control? She currently has five children. Should the voters know whether she might get pregnant if she ascends to the Presidency? I realize this is a very touchy subject since it should be illegal to ask women such a question. But this is a different situation:

1. If in fact she may not support all birth control for others, isn't it fair to ask if she herself uses it?
2. Considering the fact that the Presidency is not a job but an all consuming life choice, should not the American people know whether she plans more children, esp. since she had a child just a few months ago? If she assumed the Presidency from McCain, can we be sure her duties would not be curtailed because of a pregnancy?

Of course, the second question may be a bit muddle by the fact that Sarah may actually not be the new baby's mother. As a photo on Andrew Sullivan's website makes clear, Palin has always shown quite prominently during her pregnancies. She did not look that way during this last one.

Up until now, I have been reluctant to have the subject of Palin not being the actual mother of Trig. But between the possibility of her being at least partly anti-birth control and the fact that she's abstinence only sex education but she feels the need to possibly hide her unmarried daughter's pregnancy, I'm reconsidering whether this may be a subject to question her about.

I am prepared for criticism. But if Palin actually is anti-birth control or supports only limited birth control, is it not fair to ask her how she herself what her own private practices are since she seems intent on making these private decisions for women?


by John Campanelli on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:25:10 PM EST
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I think it is a fair question (none / 0)

but you are right to debate it. (btw, personally I doubt the parentage-doubt about Trig, but that's a different issue).If we can ask a candidate if their pastor loves America as much as they do, we can ask one if they believe in and use contraceptives (and what they mean by that).

Mu guess is that she gets really slippery about the contraceptive issue, I highly doubt she uses it herself and I want her nailed down on the issue once and for all.  The Right is trying to stealth birth control out of our society because a frontal assault won't work (don't teach it, block teen access, block health insurance coverage).

I'm not retracting anything until Gov. Palin comes out clearly on topic, a single half-liner from her so far does not convince me of anything.  


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:33:25 PM EST
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Re: I had written a diary at DailyKos (none / 0)

While I appreciate your tiptoeing around this subject in order to avoid the sexism charge, the fact that she may get pregnant should not have any bearing on her fitness for vice president.
Pregnancy has been used to hold women out of higher positions for the last 3 decades.
Whether or not she can perform her job while pregnant should be a question for her doctor and herself- she obviously had no problems with her last pregnancy while serving as governor of Alaska.
And without solid evidence, can we please stop the ridiculous speculation on the 5 month old baby. The chances of a teenager having a down syndrome baby are almost non-existent, but a woman over 40 chances increase dramtically (1 in 100) and by the age of 44, it's 1 in 41.

http://answers.google.com/answers/thread view?id=306902


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:20:54 AM EST
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Anti Birth Control? (2.00 / 1)

Well, that explains a few things.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:43:14 PM EST

Re: Anti Birth Control? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, it just keeps getting more entertaining, eh?


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Anti Birth Control? (2.00 / 0)

Is bad to the point of evil.


by mady on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:25:32 PM EST
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Tips for stopping these whackjobs! (2.00 / 7)


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:43:25 PM EST

I'd run ads immediately (2.00 / 1)

portraying the mccain/palin ticket as anti-woman,anti-choice and pro creationism..

Obama is letting mccain define the empty vessel palin


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 02:15:44 PM EST

Andrew Sullivan said it well (2.00 / 2)

<sic> the MSM is tearing her apart, the Obama campaign should let them.


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:49:09 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (none / 0)

I find myself hoping more and more that she really is covering for her daugther's out-of-wedlock pregnancy.  The hypocrisy would just be devastating.


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 02:21:50 PM EST

Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 1)

I'd like to hear what Geraldine Ferraro and Sen. Clinton have to say about there fellow trailblazer. Make no mistake, it was gutsy for McCain to pick a female VP, especially since it was just 24 years since Mondale picked Ferraro.

/snark


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by dannybauder on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:03:35 PM EST

That ad is hilariously hamhanded (2.00 / 2)

Ooo!  Glasses + Nose Ring must equal feminist!


by JJE on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:11:55 PM EST

Re: That ad is hilariously hamhanded (2.00 / 0)

Worse, that's no ad, that's their home page...


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:48:01 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 4)

Anti Choice and Anti Birth Control also mean Anti Women's Health. By trying to impose their morality on other women's health care decisions, Palin and her ilk prove they are no friend to women.

It's insulting that they use the word "feminist" in the name of their organization when what they stand for is the complete opposite.


by LakersFan on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:46:26 PM EST

If your 12-year-old daugher were raped (2.00 / 2)

and beaten by a family member, Palin and FFL would force her to carry the fetus to term, and would suggest that if she had been exposed to contraceptives it would have harmed her further.

That example is just about as disgusting as their views...


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:51:53 PM EST
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Re: If your 12-year-old daugher were raped (2.00 / 3)

As the parent of a little girl, I won't even go there. And it's so much bigger than just rape victim and the extreme cases. Reproductive health is much more than just having babies and preventing babies. Women have all sorts of life threatening and chronic health problems related to their reproductive biology that are treated through contraceptives, therapeutic abortions, and other related medical technology. When we restrict access to women's reproductive health care choices, we risk women's lives.


by LakersFan on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:57:13 PM EST
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I've got two daughters (2.00 / 0)

and am morally conflicted about abortion in philisophical terms, but reproductive health trumps all.  My daughters are already alive, their health comes first.


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:03:59 PM EST
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Re: I've got two daughters (2.00 / 1)

And their mom's reproductive health, so they could be here and healthy.


by LakersFan on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 02:35:16 AM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (none / 0)

Some thoughts:

FFL is the group that Justice John Roberts' wife also belongs to.

John Kerry belongs to the Catholic church.  The Catholic church's official doctrine is exactly what these people propose.  OTOH, I didn't fear Kerry being president-just because he belongs to a sexist, anti-contraception, anti-abortion organization doesn't mean that he wanted to enforce those things on others. People don't always endorse every tenet of organizations they belong to.

I think it is very clear that Palin is strongly anti-abortion, but I can't find where she has explicitly said that she is against contraception.

And I did find the following:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles /119785.php
and this.  While FFL is anticontraception, Governor Palin is pro-contraception:

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/electio ns/governor06/story/44186.html

Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education and her child. She is pro-contraception and said she's a member of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life.

"I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of every human life," she said.



"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 03:49:48 PM EST

Thanks, first I've seen that (none / 0)

still, as the Poster Child for FFL, I'd like to hear her explain that position.


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:02:15 PM EST
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Re: Thanks, first I've seen that (2.00 / 1)

http://www.feministsforlife.org/FAQ/inde x.htm#contraception

It's a FAQ on the FFL website (I looked these people up at the time of the John Roberts nomination for Chief Justice because his wife's a member).

Certainly if I were Palin, I'd quote the FAQ.

Preconception issues including abstinence and contraception are outside of our mission. Some FFL members and supporters support the use of non-abortifacient contraception while others oppose contraception for a variety of reasons. FFL is concerned that certain forms of contraception have had adverse health effects on women.

So there's quite a bit of weasel room there for Palin.  Foster is anticontraception, but even FFL does not require its members to be anticontraception.

The tricky piece is what is 'non-abortifacient' contraception--probably in the eye of the individual member and there's a ton of misinformation promulgated by this group about contraception and abortion and various 'bogeyman' dangers that are just BS.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:31:22 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 1)

Chris,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and I read the Nation article you linked to.  The problem is that there is no evidence cited in the Nation article for its conclusions.  I also spent some time reading the Feminist For Life website, and I found no evidence that they think that birth control or even abortion should be illegal.  I have no doubt that its members may feel that way, but I could not find evidence of it on their website.

Rather, their website is dedicated to (a) propaganda as to why women should not have abortions, and (b) information about giving women more options and resources so they won't have to have abortions.

I'm wondering whether anybody has any links to provide further evidence on some of these claims?


by markjay on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:52:02 PM EST

Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (none / 0)

Thanks Markjay,

I'll dig as much as I can, but it looks like in general the FFL is one of those groups that couches everything in just the right terms (like NAMBLA - they aren't saying men should actually have sex with boys, just that it should be OK for men and boys to express their sexual love for each other in physical ways...).

The PDFs one the site hold some of the strongest wording, such as the quote saying that discussing birth control and abortion with victims of incest is harmful.  My suspicion is that Gov. Palin's singular "pro-contracentive" statement needs peeling as well: does this include oral contraceptives, norplant, IUDs and the other forms explicitly discussed by FFL?


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:07:15 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control? (2.00 / 1)

Yes-if we're lucky, this question will be asked at the VP debate.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:33:39 PM EST
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I'd like to hear it asked before then (none / 0)

and clearly enough that she isn't able to equate "timing" with contraception...


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by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:36:35 PM EST
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Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 1)

Now we can see why the religious right wingers were practically peeing all over themselves after the selection of Palin to run as VP.


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by pollbuster on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:56:47 PM EST

Re: Palin: Anti Choice, Anti Birth Control (2.00 / 1)

You really need to emphasize that she's not only anti-choice, but she's also anti-choice for situations involving rape AND incest.


by johnrarch on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:05:36 PM EST

Rince, repeat... (none / 0)

From FFL literature:

Furthermore, birth control counselling and abortion often indirectly contribute to the victim's sense of shame, guilt, and blame for what is happening, since she is
told to "take control" and "be responsible" for her "sexual activity," implying that this situation is indeed within her power to control.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:17:17 PM EST
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Re: Rince, repeat... (2.00 / 1)

Because of course the screwball FFL'ers believe that "rape" is caused by the victim. How fucked up is that...?


by johnrarch on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:46:35 PM EST
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We just need to pound the hell out of the (none / 0)

FFL.

These folks are political death for the Moderate Right and centrists.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:56:29 PM EST
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Now this (2.00 / 1)

"With any luck Sarah Palin could become President and appoint a Supreme Court Justice or two..."

Is scarier then mccain choosing!


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by kevin22262 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:15:07 PM EST

Re: Now this (2.00 / 1)

No kidding!

We've got this old dude wanting to be president and he picks the mayor of a town of 9,000 as next in line?  Can you imagine this lady representing the United States of America abroad given everything we're already dealing with?  My lord, the thought is beyond frightening.


by Renie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:27:28 AM EST
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Say goodbye to foreign affairs (none / 0)

and - not to be overly dramatic, but it is well within the realm of possibility - say goodbye to everything.  Permanently.

A wildly untested extreme Christian stepping onto the world stage amid the international let-down of the US fucking up the chance to elect Obama (who the rest of the world adores [our allies] or fears [our enemies]).  Take one step further, and assume that withing two years she becomes President due to medical reasons.  Now picture her dealing with any one of the more volatile likely international scenarios that could evolve in that time...

And, yes, her branch of Christianity are huge believers in the imminent Rapture.  And unlike Bush or McCain, she is a 1000% Believer.

She'd press the button in a heartbeat.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:56:29 AM EST
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Birth control also prescribed for endometriosis. (2.00 / 1)

Do they oppose birth control for that and other uterine conditions?  Sometimes doctors prescribe birth control for other conditions.


by mishiem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 01:24:22 AM EST

but doctors kill babies (none / 0)

so can they be trusted?


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by chrisblask on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 07:43:05 AM EST
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She's also pro-Secession for Alaska (none / 0)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4 231/18477/878/581881


by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:06:56 AM EST


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