I have just one question

If today is John McCain's birthday, why did he give us a present?

I strongly disagree with the idea that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is a game-changer for the Republicans.

Hillary Clinton gave a strong endorsement of Barack Obama on Tuesday and will be out campaigning for him this fall. I'm supposed to believe that women who preferred Hillary in the Democratic primaries will flock to McCain, with his horrible record on women's issues, because a conservative woman is his running mate?

I get the rationale for picking Palin, as laid out here by Chris Bowers and in a different way by Iowa blogger Douglas Burns.

But McCain is staking his campaign on persuading Americans that Obama is "not ready to lead." I cannot see how it helps McCain to choose a running mate who is younger and less experienced than Obama. Palin has served less than two years as governor and before that was mayor of a town with fewer than 10,000 residents.

At 72 years old, McCain would be the oldest president ever elected. He is also a cancer survivor. Can the Republicans make the case that Palin is ready to lead this country should the need arise?

Supposedly the GOP base will be thrilled to see the anti-choice Palin on the ticket. I read some "mommy blogs" written by religious conservatives and will be checking them in the next few days to see how they react to this pick. (These bloggers tended to favor either Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul.)

I assume they will be relieved that McCain did not choose the detested Mitt Romney. However, I am not convinced these rank and file members of the religious right will celebrate Palin's selection. They believe women should be homemakers who homeschool their children, and they think feminism and the trend toward working outside the home is undermining "Biblical womanhood."

No matter how enthusiastically the Republican pundits welcome Palin, I suspect that many social conservatives will feel she should be at home, taking care of her special-needs infant and schooling her older children.

The business wing of the Republican base tended to support Romney in the primaries. Mitt himself is reportedly furious at the way McCain strung him along. Look for the knives to come out if anything goes wrong with Palin--for instance, if she gets tainted by the trial of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.

I'm skeptical that Palin will neutralize Joe Biden (supposedly because he can't afford to be seen as a bully). Biden has two jobs: to alleviate concerns about Obama's lack of experience, and to be an attack dog. The first task will be easier with Palin as his counterpart. As for the second, Biden can ignore Palin most of the time and focus his fire on McCain during the only vice-presidential debate.

Choosing Palin looks like a Hail Mary pass from a candidate who knows he will lose unless he shakes things up in a big way. I'm feeling much more optimistic about Obama's chances than I did five days ago.



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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128450.h tml

I wonder if the base knows that she is an admitted pot smoker?


by ND1979 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:51:26 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

And how is the fact that her husband is in a steel union going to help? That seems like one of the biggest conflicts of interest ever. Maybe not on a state level, but how is she going to be a union-buster or serve with a union-buster?


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by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:06:52 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

And when she talks about opening up ANWAR for drilling, I'm sure her oil exec husband has no interest in the subject either.. haha.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:16:17 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

You are such a troll. Her husband work on the fields, he is not an executive.


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:58:37 PM EST
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Sarah Palin: Stunt Casting (none / 0)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/ 152151/989


by judybrowni on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:22:31 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Troll?  No.  Wrong?  Yes.  I misread his bio earlier and misrepresented it, and I sincerely apologize.

Honestly, I messed up and what I wrote is flat out wrong.

You, on the other hand, seem more than willing to adopt right wing frames as long as it benefits you.  Good luck with that.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 05:59:05 AM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Wow. That's so awesome. LOL


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:03:52 PM EST
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Over at talkleft (2.00 / 2)

they are having orgasms over Palin.
I just don't get it. Obama was not to be allowed to pick any woman other then Hillary, but some folks now think Palin is a great pick.
by parahammer on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:52:57 PM EST

Re: Over at talkleft (2.00 / 1)

Over at talkleft they are having orgasms over Palin.

Yeah, I think TalkLeft is more ecstatic than RedState at Palin (and RedState is pretty happy about it).

Of course, TalkLeft absolutely despises the progressives nominee of the Democratic Party, so I guess that's to be expected ...


by Collideascope on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:56:53 PM EST
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Re: Over at talkleft (none / 0)

Yeah, I am pretty sure Pumas are the only ones excited about this pick.  I was talking to my boss, repub, he agrees this is a parlor trick and shows McCain is desperate because he cannot win without really "mixing it up".  He hates mccain, because he is a bellicose bully, but he thinks this will end up losing votes for mcc.  I am sure the media loves it too, McC being all mavericky.  

Actually, I love the pick too but onyl because it is a gift to Obama.  

Funny how a pick so illogical and senseless would only appeal to a Puma


by KLRinLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:27:09 PM EST
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Re: Over at talkleft (1.00 / 1)

Clinton is awesome. Palin is cool. Sibelius is kind of lame.

I know, I know, not good reasons to vote for someone
;-)


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:03:06 PM EST
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Re: Over at talkleft (none / 0)

Of course, because TALKLEFT has always been about defeating Obama, not about electing progressives.  They love Palin because she has a uterus and two x chromosomes.  The fact that she is rabiddly anti-choice and opposed to health care for all, doesnt matter, because she is a woman.


by gavoter on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:06:54 PM EST
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your ignorance is showing (2.00 / 1)

Talk Left is not a PUMA site. Big Tent Democrat has supported Obama for a long time thinking he was more electable than Hillary, although BTD is often critical of Obama's strategy.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:44:42 PM EST
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I have come to the conclusion (none / 0)

that it is fact a moronic choice.
Let's count the number of frames he has destroyed:
1.  He will put the country first
No - he has selected someone with 20 months experience as the Governor of one of the least populated states in the country.  Politics came before country.
2.  Experience matters
The number 1 concern people have about Barak Obama is lack of experience.  That frame now lies in tatters.
3.  He is a maverick
No, he will do anything to get elected.  One minute he goes on and on about experience, and the next he does something completely opposite.

Whatever her strengths are, they are nothing compared to what has been lost.

In the morning I thought this was a great choice.

Now I think it is a terrible


by fladem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:40:40 PM EST
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precisely (none / 0)

"Not ready to lead" is the tag line for every Republican ad against Obama. Now how can they use that line with a straight face?


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:46:25 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

"Can the Republicans make the case that Palin is ready to lead this country should the need arise?"

Even though it may not be politically correct to make inferences about McCain's age and health, that's absolutely what will go through the minds of people when they look at this ticket.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:53:35 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (1.00 / 1)

Is Obama ready to lead the country from Day 1?

Palin was a state executive for 2 years. Obama has been in the Senate for 2 years and mostly he voted along party lines.

Why do you have issues with her experience and not with his?


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:57 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Because he's worked at a national level. Has traveled around the world as an agent of the U.S. goverment and because until 18 months ago Palin was the mayor of a town of 9,000 people... Obama's State Senate district had more than ten times that many people... and he served them for 12 years.


by Tatan on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:17:32 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (1.00 / 1)

Seriouslly though, you need to drink less Kool-aid.

I like Obama for many of his qualities. Experience is not, however, one of them.

1) He worked on the 'national level' as US senator for 2 years where he did not lead anything of any significance.

2) Obama's IL district has 200k people. Suggesting that this prepares you to be president is as absurd as suggesting being a mayor of a town of 9k makes you  prepared to be president.

Now being a governor does make you prepared but Palin has only done it for 2 years so she is still pretty green - but Obama has nothing on her.


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

while we are setting the record straight, Obama was elected in2004, so he has been in office nearly 4 years.  Palin gas been less than 2 years.


by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:56 PM EST
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I was suggesting that (none / 0)

Obama's strong suit is his experience. Just that he has more of it than Palin... which he does, by an order of magnitude.


by Tatan on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:04:13 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I think the point is, you can't say that there is a massive experience advantage for a ticket when there is a statistically significant chance that your President of 300,000,000 people hasn't even run a state larger than a top 15 city.

At least Senator Obama has some familiarity with the federal government.

I think if you think of the choice as Senator Obama vs. an X percent chance (determined actuarially) of no federal experience, all of a sudden experience is not the advantage it was because X percent of the time you'll get someone who doesn't even have any federal experience.

I think Hutchinson, Romney, Collins, Snowe or Rep. Nancy Johnson (R-CT) would have all been better choices on the experience side.

That sound that can be heard is the issue of experience falling off of the table.


I wonder why everyone in the blogosphere feels the need to measure his or her Sebelius.
by AZphilosopher on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:30:35 PM EST
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I checked with Rapture Ready. (2.00 / 2)

They are ecstatic about the choice of Palin.  So I guess we know who McCain was trying to win over.  It's the evangelical base which we were not going to win anyway.  The Republicans must be very worried if they went so far just to shore up their base.


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by GFORD on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:54:01 PM EST

Re: I checked with Rapture Ready. (2.00 / 5)

yeah I'm thinking this is a desperation pcik just to secure his base.  The debates will be interesting.


by parahammer on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:55:23 PM EST
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More likely it secures his ground game. (1.00 / 1)

I don't know how many McCain rallies you've watched, but the one I saw today was the first one I've seen that the crowd showed any enthusiasm.  The pick of Palin gives his enthusiasm gap a big shot in the arm, and likely will energize the Karl Rove foot soldier brigade that was so crucial to Bush's win in 2004.

Plus, she's going to have crossover appeal to independents, particularly independent women with kids.  

I see this as a savvy, gutsy pick, not one made in desparation.  She makes the ticket alot better.


by jimotto on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:02:40 PM EST
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Re: More likely it secures his ground game. (2.00 / 3)

Not when they find out about her extreme anti-choice position, they won't.

Try harder next time.


by NewOaklandDem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:06:12 PM EST
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Re: More likely it secures his ground game. (none / 0)

Enthusiasm? I listened to the "rally" on Sirius, and had to laugh at the people chanting "USA. USA. USA." It was funny because they all started and stopped chanting at exactly the same moment.
by zenful6219 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:36:14 PM EST
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Re: More likely it secures his ground game. (none / 0)

Man, in order for McCain to have a ground game that comes within 100 yards of Obama, he'd have had to start building it six months ago.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:34:30 PM EST
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Re: I checked with Rapture Ready. (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.  McCain needed to shore up his base.  

While I am sympathetic to the pander argument, I think Palin would have been compelling (to the base) whether she was a woman or a man.  If we can afford her that respect, we will be in a better position to fight against her.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:03:43 PM EST
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Re: I checked with Rapture Ready. (2.00 / 1)

i'm all about respect, but is that really true?  don't you think part of the goal was to exploit the (vastly overstated) rift between Hillary and Obama supporters?  i have a hard time reading this any other way.


by the mollusk on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:30:16 PM EST
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Re: I checked with Rapture Ready. (2.00 / 2)

I'm sure part of the goal was to attract (ie pander to) HRC supporters.

Pointing that out is not a great way to win over voters.  It comes across as "look little lady, McCain doesn't respect your intelligence.  let me tell you how to think instead."  Far better to let folks draw their own conclusions.

My main point is that we need to respect the Palin pick.  If we don't, we'll end up like Al Gore sighing at the first debate.  The first step IMO is to stop the gender discussion altogether and "help" the media focus on Palin's positions and her, ummm, experience.  

I am deeply sympathetic to the fact that Palin was chosen because of her gender (why her instead of Pawlenty?).  Plenty of folks will be rightly insulted by that fact.  We don't need to go there explicitly.

Not trying to start a fight here and sorry for any confusion.  If Palin is truly a lightweight, that will become painfully apparent in short order.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:42:19 PM EST
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Re: I checked with Rapture Ready. (none / 0)

Why do we need to respect the Palin pick exactly?

There is nothing respectable about it.


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by JDF on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:47:39 PM EST
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She will get the Stevens taint (2.00 / 1)

She straight out lied today when she said "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere."  The New Republic already has the story that this is a complete lie:

Republicans have been touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials pretty heavily, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, late in the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

"Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly--the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, though, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin--the bridge had become a national punchline, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."


http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank /archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fig ht-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx


by Piuma on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:01:22 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 3)

I agree, the move reeks of desperation.  Palin's overt pandering with the "glass ceiling" comments and Hillary shout out will not fool real HRC supporters.  

True Clintonistas will be appalled at the McCain Camp's attempt to win their favor with a conservative pro-lifer who stands opposed to all that Hillary has worked for.

The fundies may like the pick, and some a healthy chunck of the PUMA crazies will love it but we weren't getting those votes anyway.


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by fogiv on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:02:28 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Wait until the cheesecake pictures of Palin make their way from the Internet onto the newspaper pages.


by Khun David on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:02:49 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Sarah Palin, Google image search, page one:


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:03:45 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

Puh-lease.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:46:22 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Any complaints should be sent to Google.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:58:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary will go after Palin (2.00 / 3)

when Joe B marginalizes Palin by ignoring her


by dcrolg on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:03:21 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

It is not a pick without risk.  

However, I think a lot of my fellow Democrats are again missing the point by disecting all these facts and figures and coming to a rational opinion on the quality of McCain's pick.

The average undecided voter isn't going to do any of that.  The average undecided voter looks at the whole ball of wax, the speeches, the news clippings, the soundbites, the looks or appearances, the attacks, the clothes, the hobbies, the spouses, the debates, and a thousand other silly little things and decides who they like the best.

Palin has an interesting bio.  She may win some people over.  She may turn some people off.  In the end I don't think VP do much to move the needle.   But if she moves John McCain 5 points with the womens vote then she was probably worth the pick.

One thing I think is clear today.  McCain got past the risk of splitting his own party.  We are know looking at a good old fashioned red state, blue state election just like the last two.  It is clear that Obama isn't going to flip Mississippi or Alabama, Georgia, or South Carolina, like some thought he might.  

Like the last election it seems our best chance to flip states is in the west where Democrats have had a lot of recent success and migration has continued to add voters that may look favorably on our message.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:03:41 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

VP rarely does much to help the ticket, but it damn sure can HURT it. In the long run, we'll see that this one did just that.


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by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:10:20 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

they have already set the bar for her that she will have to crawl under it to get over it.


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:12:51 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

as a resident of TN where my democratic congressman won't even tell me if he is supporting Obama, let me say that there never was anyway for Obama to flip any of the states you mentioned anyway, not even a remote chance.  5 point bump for picking Palin is huge and totally unrealistic, 2 max.


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:10:47 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Recall the primaries.

Obama and his supporters claimed over and over he was the guy because he would change politcs and change the map in the process.   They also touted the Afrtican American vote and said it could change these states.

A lot of people bought into these claims.  


by RichardFlatts on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 08:44:06 AM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 2)

short term bump, long term disaster. that's why i don't get it.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:04:22 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I am not sure there is even a short term blip here except for taking the media off Obama's speech all morning long.


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:08:00 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

I agree.  There will be a lot of gushing over the fact that she's a woman and so on, complete with a couple point bounce for McCain.  Then, someone will dig deeper.

I wasn't alive in 1984, but wasn't it that way with Ferraro: lots of early gushing followed by lots of negative publicity?  I know Ferraro's finances didn't help matters, but wasn't that what happened?


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by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:12:10 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I think the Ferraro pick however was even more of a desparate hail mary than this pick is.   Mondale was much further behind.   When all the news comes out about her being pro big oil, pro life, far right and relgious wing nut, she will end up being just another factiod.


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:14:43 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

No, Ferraro never hurt the ticket.  Reagen was just really popular.  Mondale was a good candidate as well but there is a reason the conservatives still genuflect to Reagen.


by dMarx on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:22:17 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

not just conservatives.  as one pundit put it "we have now entered the race for Ronald Reagan's eighth term".


by the mollusk on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:34:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

when did the stuff about ferraro's husband happen?


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:54:18 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Before the election.   The ironic thing is that Mondale actualy skipped over Feinstein because it was beleived her husband would be a liability.


by gavoter on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:12:03 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

this is why pallin to me is a ticking time bomb. they got to know that this will now gain national scrutinyt, and i read through the rumor mill at openleft that she wasn't even fully vetted


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:14:59 PM EST
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my first reaction: they're throwing the race (none / 0)

McCain and Palin are sacrificial lambs.  The GOP doesn't want any of its real candidates getting their records tarnished with a certain loss in '08.


by chiefscribe on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:11:33 PM EST
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Maverick (2.00 / 2)

This is yet another chip off the old "maverick" label of McCain.   While the bible thumping wingnuts are agush (supposedly) with Palin, the fact is McCain sold is soul here to get in tight with the religious right again and collect on their soley needed cashola to run his campain.   These kooks are all about pro life issues and could care less about a woman who has no experience of any kind except for mooseburgers and salmon fishing being a heartbeat away from a 72 yo cancer survivor.   Screw national security as long as women no longer have pro choice rights.   I guess she will be a great resource for the 101st mounted snowmobile light infrantry from Tuk, Alaska


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:06:21 PM EST

Re: Maverick (1.00 / 1)

You are denigrating a woman who is the most popular governor in the US. She's had 5 kids, took on her own party and still became a governor of a US state.

In fact, she much more a reformer and a maverick then McCain.

She also happens to have more executive level experience than Obama, McCain and Biden put together.


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:38:14 PM EST
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Re: Maverick (none / 0)

Incredible ... watching wingnuts on TV defending this lady ... not only claiming she has as much experience as Obama, but even has more.

Let's see how she handles 60 days of extreme press and vetting now.  


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:33:31 PM EST
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Re: Maverick (none / 0)

oh, and how am I doing that?   I merely mentioned the truth.  If she was a he I would make the very same comments.


by Monkei on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:36:53 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 3)

Barack Obama picked Joe Biden as someone who could help him govern.  Obama is putting America's interests first.

John McCain picked Sarah Palin because he hoped she could help him win.  McCain is putting his own interests first.


by kenfair on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:15:02 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

Excellent point, this is clearly not a governing pick, and while that notion is lost on the bulk of voters it is a clear insight into the thinking and motivations of McCain's campaign.  They are playing high-risk politics because, frankly, they haven't got a lot to lose.

So assuming we are structurally sound on the basis of this assessment by McCain campaign's it would seem time to continue to run a disciplined, mature campaign straight down the home stretch.  The McCain campaign just abandoned an eight-week long attack on Obama's character on grounds of 'inexperience' and 'celebrity' with this pick, never mind that Obama basically vaporised their narrative with one good, widely viewed, speech.  They are shifting the field around late in the game in the hopes of appealing to whatever demographic margins they can get their hands on and with that strategy Palin makes good sense.

But it clearly indicates that they are reactive, not pro-active, on policy and issues and that is where we need to drive home the message.  Palin may threaten some single-digit shifts among wavering Republican base voters here and there but it seems essentially a defensive move, necessitated by Obama's aggressive ground game.

Barring an 'October surprise,' for which we now have an 'all-star' goalkeeper, the issues relating to the election seem to be clearly established and it looks to me like Democrats have the winning position.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:44:36 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

"They are playing high-risk politics because, frankly, they haven't got a lot to lose."

Romney/Huck can thank their lucky stars they weren't on this sinking boat so as not to be tainted for later runs.  my colleague thinks Palin is just a toss-away repub while the repub party focuses on the future and tries to rebuild its brand (or figure out wtf they stand for besides being puppets for MNCs).  No big names really get hurt, except McCain, but the party doesn't care/like him anyway...interesting to think about.   SO yeah, it is a parlor trick for the "what the hell, we're fucked anyway" angle.

Ever wonder why his staff is all lobbyists?  It appears only big business is supporting mccain, not his party for the most part.

yeah a little tinfoil maybe, but it makes sense, Repubs have been feeling the need to re-brand  since 06 and some have said the loss was good in order to refocus


by KLRinLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:06:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Taking that notion to it's logical conclusion it would give the Republicans the dubious luxury of blaming McCain rather that the architects of the Bush administration.  My hunch is that if Obama wins big with long coattails the Republicans are going to be 're-branding' for quite a while, perhaps a decade or so.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:17:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Another present: (2.00 / 2)

Windfall profit taxes.  It turns out the that the biggest chunk of what she called oil "revenues" that she returns to consumers is actually a windfall profit tax, something McCain opposes.  From the Seattle Times:

Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and Alaska's Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on the oil industry -- a step that has generated stunning new wealth for the state as oil prices soared.

At a time when Americans are feeling the pinch at the gasoline pump and oil companies are racking up record profits, Alaska's choice foreshadows one of the sharpest debates in the upcoming presidential election.

Democrat Barack Obama supports a national windfall-profits tax, while Republican John McCain opposes it.

Alaska collected an estimated $6 billion from the new tax during the fiscal year that ended June 30, according to the Alaska Oil and Gas Association. That helped push the state's total oil revenue -- from new and existing taxes, as well as royalties -- to more than $10 billion, double the amount received last year.

While many other states are confronting big budget deficits because of the troubled economy, Alaska officials are in the enviable position of exploring new ways to spend the state's multibillion-dollar budget surplus.

Some of that new cash will end up in the wallets of Alaska's residents.

Palin's administration last week gained legislative approval for a special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices, which are among the highest in the country.

That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings account.


by Piuma on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:16:08 PM EST

Re: Another present: (none / 0)

I have family in Northern Alaska - the structure (nay, the existence) of the Permanent Fund is both fascinating and somewhat shocking.

And rather socialist, I might add - it's a reverse income tax to make living in Alaska reasonable for middle-income people.  Personally, I love it, though I realize that most states don't have the benefit of the vast licensing and other fees that AK can assess the energy industry.


by auronrenouille on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:23:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another present: (none / 0)

it also makes a lot of Alaskans rabidly pro-oil and pro-drilling.


by the mollusk on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:35:43 PM EST
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Re: Another present: (none / 0)

Yup, that it does - I don't bother having political conversations with that uncle.  But the world looks a lot different from Alaska, both figuratively and literally, so I move on with my life.

But Palin is running for VP of the US, not VP of Alaska, NWT, and Nunavut, so she's not going to be able to escape with "oh, it's just Alaska."


by auronrenouille on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another present: (2.00 / 1)

can you link this article this really needs to spread.

This shows that she supports and it shows that a windfall tax works! it will get money back to the people.

if this was the lead story by wendesday, this would really be a great ending for the convention.


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by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:24:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another present: Link (none / 0)

Sorry.  Here's the link to the Seattle Times article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo calnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html


by Piuma on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:30:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Another present: (none / 0)

It's worse than that. She's come out in favor of Obama's energy plan -- except for the windfall profits tax part of it. Yet in governing Alaska she's benefited enormously from a windfall profits tax.

Fits in to Kerry's point that McCain (and now his VP) have been for it before they were against it and vice versa.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 2)

I totally agree - between last night's speech and the opportunity to make the Alaska GOP a campaign issue, I'm having trouble seeing a downside here.


by auronrenouille on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:20:45 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 2)

Obama did most of the work to pull the party together over the past few days, so I am optimistic, but I'm not as sanguine about Palin's effect. Seems to me she presents a whole series of traps for us, and so far the blogs, Democratic surrogates and initially the Obama campaign are falling for them.

Biden's first statement was the wisest of the bunch, probably because of his very sharp communications director Ricki Seidman. The new joint statement from Obama and Biden is much smarter than the idiotic Burton comments:

"We send our congratulations to Governor Sarah Palin and her family on her designation as the republican nominee for Vice President. It is yet another encouraging sign that old barriers are falling in our politics. While we obviously have differences over how best to lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign."

The most dangerous trap is to underestimate and dismiss Palin. Burton's reaction, the Quayle comments at DK, and Cokie Roberts giggling on NPR all fall for that trap, lower the bar for Palin, raise the bar for Obama, and make it easy for Palin to show them to be sexist fools if she can make it over that lowered bar. The "abandoning her special needs downs kid" is another sexist, predjudiced trap and could turn into an abortion trap, just ask Michael Berube.

I'm also not convinced of the "Hillary can save us from this!" argument. We just spent four days putting to bed the notion that the primary was about Hillary Clinton, how does making Hillary Clinton a focus of the general election help Obama?


by souvarine on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:23:34 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

exactly!!! thank you for this comment, I was thinking of a dairy myself but the Obama statement gave me hope that they see this.

they also need to stop hitting her on experience, the press will do that, let em. just hit john Mccain nonstop

and forget his VP, the press will do all that work for you non-stop while they vet her.

I am afraid that democrats will fall into that trap.

and all she will have to do is show up to the debate, look pretty, and remember her name and the press will hail her the winner.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:27:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Well said, thank you.  My vote for the most pertinent comment of the day on the subject.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:50:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 2)

Even a rock can make a big splash. But what after that?


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:23:42 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

It sinks, naturally.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:33:46 PM EST
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I disagree (none / 0)

This is a brilliant move, it absolutely will solidfy the evangelical base: She is pro-live and even a borderline creationist.

And, THIS is the master stroke, for all those bitter Hillary folks.

Take a poll here? Our Pumas, SwitchingSides, Nekkid, you name them, are throwing aside ALL those criticism they made of Obama for all the "present votes" and becoming champions of Sarah.

Even Candadian Girl seems to be holding her powder.

It won't matter a bit that she is Pro-life, nothing will override that McCain picked a woman and Obama didn't.

This was a fricking genius move from the Republics.

I think, this is gut check time, and, this is the WORST thing that could have happened to democrats.

They will run her and her kids out nationwide as "the womans champion?"

She is already gushing over Ferrao and Hillary.

I have ONE five dollar bet on this election, and as of right now, I have never felt that money more in jeopardy.


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by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:31:44 PM EST

every rookie mistake she makes (none / 0)

and she is bound to make them, will be a reminder that she is not ready for prime time.

"Not ready to lead" is McCain's main slogan against Obama. He just severely damaged his ability to use that argument. It would be one thing if Obama had stupidly picked Tim Kaine, but Obama has a very experience running mate at his side.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:36:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

calling out other other members are you? (none / 0)


by TaiChiMaster on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:37:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I disagree (none / 0)

I normally HR GOP ads like yours. But I know your normal stuff and will just tease you for being an old school Fraidy-Crat about this.

It's a gimmick. And the splash will wear off even before Gutav hits New Orleans again.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:55:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey, I am just fine with being a scardy cat.... (none / 0)

As long as I am proven wrong, call me a yellow livered coward.....

It's NOT a GOP ad, seriously, I know this was a hail mary, but, it shows, the Republics will do ANYTHING to keep a Democrat out of the WH.

I HOPE you are right, but I will again say, this does TWO masterful things.

I heard Richard Viguerre on the radio, the evangelical base, which as just yesterday, absolutely devistated, is now energized. Palin is one of them.

And, I believe, she will play amazingly well with the unhappy distaff voters.

5 Kids, one with Down Syndrome, one in the service.

OK, I HOPE you are right, but I will check in with you after the GOPER convention, let's see how they ride this horse.


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by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:06:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

scardy crat... (none / 0)

the Republics will do ANYTHING to keep a Democrat out of the WH.

That doesn't mean anything will work. McSmear's much vaunted attack campaign of the past six weeks reulted in a net swing to Obama among "likely voters" since the end of July according to Gallup.

I can't find the poll online and think it must be subscription only.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:40:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I disagree (2.00 / 1)

Maybe or some might find it repulsive. Sorry. I found her whole mentioning of it hypocritical and repulsive. The GOP has not done much to improve the rights or lives of women now have they. I hope Obama and the dems will smartly counter with townhalls and meetings highlighting women and their issues.


by Iceblinkjm on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:07:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I disagree (none / 0)

"I hope Obama and the dems will smartly counter with townhalls and meetings highlighting women and their issues. "

Absolutely, and then draw the distinction with Palins record on womens issues....


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by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:12:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I disagree (none / 0)

I share some fraction of your apprehension.  The challenge is to go toe-to-toe with her on exactly the women's issues, and there are several, which so diametrically isolate her from the demographic where she is expected to erode our support.  Roe vs Wade?  Creationism?  No abortion for rape victims?  Hard to see how this couldn't be contained with a little careful effort.

As for shoring up the Republican base, there's not much we can do about that but keep on goin'.  Let's hope the corporate Republicans keep their wallets shut now Romney's out of the picture.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:59:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

Here's an interesting summary of Palin's "executive" experience in Alaska, along with a more detailed description of "trooper gate."

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

Once people see the picture of downtown Wasilla, I think that part of the argument will disappear.


by kjblair2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:34:40 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I liked this post

I found this on another blog... kind of interesting

Eric August 29th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

Today we found out that the Republican Nominee for Vice President is Governor Sarah Palin. I have watched all the debates after her acceptance speech and no one brought up the fact that she, in front of a worldwide audience, broke Operational Security the Military prides itself on. She announced the MOS of her son serving in the Army, and went on to say the exact date and the country her son's unit will deploy too. She has not only endangered the life of her son, but all the other soldiers in his unit. Senator John McCain never talked about his own son's service for that very reason. I think it shows the lack of Judgment on the part of McCain's Camp to not screen her speech and shows her own inexperience on the National Stage. For a candidate who prides himself on National Security his Vice Presidential choice just blew that argument out of the water. So why are we not talking about this issue?


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by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:34:54 PM EST

Palin vs. Putin (none / 0)

That's the most frightening Subject Line ever entered at mydd.com.


by Cleveland John on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:39:44 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (1.00 / 1)

we are naive to think that hillary supporters (even pro-choice ones) will not vote for mccain/palin simply because palin is pro-life.

and we are also naive to think that somehow her lack of experience or quayle-like comparisons will turn people off. remember bentsen drummed quayle in the 1988 VP debate, but bush drummed dukakis in the general election.

we are also naive to think that evangelicals will be turned off by her female ambition. palin is pro-life women with 5 children (one of which is about to leave for iraq) and she is a lifetime member of the nra. all of that trumps her female ambition.

we are naive to think the republicans are desperate or have written this election off. that's exactly what they want us to believe.

we are naive to think that mccain or the republicans are stupid.

this election will be difficult to win and obama knows that. that's why his campaign and others have worked so hard to register new voters. we will definitely need them to win. And we need to continue to donate to and volunteer for his candidacy.

take absolutely nothing for granted.


by tomanderson13 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:45:10 PM EST

Palin is going to make mistakes (none / 0)

and people are going to learn a lot about her besides the thumbnail sketch we have at the moment.

I do not believe the mcCain/Palin ticket will be an appealing option for Hillary supporters when all is said and done.

I never said the Republicans have given up or that McCain is stupid. I think he had zero great options, as I've written at Bleeding Heartland (where I do most of my writing).

Obviously, Obama can't win without mobilizing lots of new voters. Which is why his campaign is building a field operation on a scale never seen before:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/27/1142 1/0028

Don't accuse me of complacency. I've never been on the Obama bandwagon, and going into this convention I was not optimistic. But Obama made a good choice for VP, our convention went great, and I think Palin will turn out to be a net negative for McCain.


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by desmoinesdem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:53:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Palin is going to make mistakes (none / 0)

desmoinesdem,

my comments were not directed at you in particular, but at the many comments today both here and on other sites that are generally excited about our prospects of defeating a mccain/palin ticket.

we already know that mccain has a solid base of approximately 30% (those who continue to approve of bush's performance). and we all know obama could win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.

and the mccain/palin ticket just might play better than anticipated in nevada, colorado, and perhaps virginia. (obama needs one of these in addition to iowa and new mexico to win if he only carries 2004 states).

like i said earlier and you reiterated, the election will rest to a great extent on the ground work laid by obama's campaign.  

in the end, a mccain/palin ticket is formidable in a nation that elected bush/cheney twice.


by tomanderson13 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:34:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Palin stands against nearly everything Clinton stood for.   If Clinton supporters run to Palin it shows that their support was nothing more than identity politics and a cult of Personality.  


by gavoter on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:29:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I don't think that this is official!

http://wonkette.com/402363/your-first-lo ok-at-mccain-palins-america


by ND1979 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:28 PM EST

Let us not (none / 0)

underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter. Remember we represent one tiny fraction of the electorate in that we actually pay attention. I've already had to clarify two of my friends that she is anti-choice. Being relatively unknown may help her.


by SocialDem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:07:59 PM EST

Re: My brother told me (none / 0)

My mother texted me this morning and quote "how transparent can that mac cain vp choice be?"

No offense intended or anything, but I'd figure I'd add my own anecdotal evidence.  She did however, spell McCain's name wrong.


by KLRinLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:30:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And that's what (none / 0)

I am talking about. I hope people have the ability to see through this.


by SocialDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:16:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Potentially a Home Run (1.00 / 1)

From a political point of view, this is a potentially a home run (and actually a very predictable pick once Obama picked Biden as VP - I predicted a month ago that McCain would pick a woman). Palin excites the Republican base and will be attractive to suburban white women (soccer moms). She'll also be attractive to 35-50 year old working class women.

I've read statistical studies which suggest that Republican women make strong candidates in general elections. One study  (albeit very old) showed that Republican women are the strongest general election candidates. In the study, Democratic men came in second, Republican men third and Democratic women were the weakest candidates. The study was done when Democrats were the majority party. I suspect, the gender factor which favor Republican women candidates is particularly strong at the presidential level.

However, the risk for McCain is Palin's possible scandals. There is also the Harriet Myers factor. If the Democrats can convince the public that this is an "affirmative action" pick, then this selection could backfire. However, given Obama's own lack of experience, this argument will be difficult to make. I think Obama's best argument is that he is a far superior political talent than Sarah Palin.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:14:31 PM EST

Re: Potentially a Home Run (1.00 / 1)

Wow. Great Comment!


by kristoph on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A Dukakis question (2.00 / 1)

I think Democrats should by and large lay off the experience point for the moment.  There is time for that to come out and it is not helpful in the short term.  Let the media do its work without getting our hands dirty.  Same with McCain's age.

Do hope she gets the equivalent of a Dukakis question from the media at the debates.

"Gov. Palin, you are opposed to allowing women to choose abortion even in cases of rape and incest.  Imagine the worst thing a parent fears has occurred and your daughter Piper was raped and impregnated.  Can you help American's understand what you would say to your daughter about why she should bring her rapist's child to term?"

Maybe better yet: "Gov. Palin, you are opposed to allowing women to choose abortion even in cases of rape and incest.  Can you share with the American public how you would justify to that daughter and her family your view that the government should compel her to bring her rapist's child to term?"

Too harsh?  Not suggesting the question come from Dems, but what if it came from a reporter?


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:16:05 PM EST

Re: A Dukakis question (none / 0)

I think anyone stupid enough to lay off the experience argument deserves to lose.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:26:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Dukakis question (2.00 / 1)

For now, not for good, as I said and presume you read.  And the media is raising it.  The campaign should for now adopt a more congratulatory tone.

Not every attack must be made by everyone at any point it can be made.  That view is the absence of strategy.

As you say though, I may be stupid. It is surely a good thing I do run national campaigns.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:32:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NOT run (none / 0)


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:35:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NOT run (none / 0)

Damn!  for a moment there I thought we found someone who did! ;~)


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:49:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Dukakis question (none / 0)

I dont think its smart at any point to conceed territory- especially early on where it becomes the narrative and cw


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:47:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Dukakis question (2.00 / 2)

Fair point, though I am not afraid that CW will set in over the next few days that Palin is experienced.  Particularly not given early media coverage.

Now, during the GOPer convention when Graham and the rest are lambasting Obama's experience in their speeches, then the interviewed Dems can say "they should tell their nominee who put a less experienced person a heart beat away from the presidency".

But I do get your pugilistic attitude.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:31:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Dukakis question (2.00 / 1)

Oh- I think we agree now. I agree not in the days, but in the coming weeks and next 60 days. First I think this story will be over by Monday once the new wrapping wears off, and the GOP will have to tell America what they will bring in the next 4 years. Their central problem is that even with her, they are the same party.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:47:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

something to keep in mind about Palin (2.00 / 1)

Palin's addition to the ticket takes Republican faux-feminism to a whole new level. As Adam Serwer pointed out on TAPPED, this is in fact a condescending move by the GOP. It plays to the assumption that disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters did not care about her politics -- only her gender. In picking Palin, Republicans are lending credence to the sexist assumption that women voters are too stupid to investigate or care about the issues, and merely want to vote for someone who looks like them. As Serwer noted, it's akin to choosing Alan Keyes in an attempt to compete with Obama for votes from black Americans.

I can't help but be, oh, a little bit skeptical of Republicans' sudden interest in the glass ceiling. After all, this is the party that threw women like Lilly Ledbetter under the bus, in favor of businesses that practice wage discrimination. The party that stymied the Equal Rights Amendment. The party that not only wants to force women here and abroad to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, but also wants to deny them access to a range of contraception options.

Not to mention hypocrisy at play. Republicans directed an inexcusable amount of sexist vitriol at Hillary during the primary. As Michelle Malkin said on Fox News about Hillary, "If that's the face of experience, I think it's going to scare away a lot of those independent voters that are on the fence."

hat tip:  The American Prospect

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?arti cle=mccains_sexist_vp_pick


by cChalfonte on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:17:33 PM EST

Just like Clarence Thomas (eom) (none / 0)


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven?
by NM Ward Chair on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:31:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

I disagree with you in a way. This campaign till now has been framed by both candidates as a contest of personalities and not ideologies. Selecting Palin does the following things:

1. neutralizes the soft media stories of Obama's life

2. tries in a big way to co-opt the idea of change and new direction for the GOP

3. makes this a campaign of competing personalities now. You have Obama-Biden and McCain-Palin, it's McCain's way of saying that he is for change while Obama is for status quo

4. shores up and energizes the conservative base and also the civil libertarians. Palin is a self-described conservative yet she is intentionally ambiguous on gay rights and Roe.

Which brings me back to my point which I had diaried on. This election cannot be about post-partisan schtick and unity on the capitol hill. Obama can do all that once he wins till then he has to energize the base, run along Democratic and ideological party lines. Blurring the lines between progressive and conservative, Democrat and Republican as some his advisers (Daschle, Sebelius, McCaskill etc) are prone to do is perilous. The people have to be given a clear choice. I believe we have the better platform and that is what he needs to highlight all the time.


by tarheel74 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:22:38 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

you think the debate is one of personalities? this may have been a primary argument, but not one of the GE.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:25:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

90%, 90%, 90%

just shot mc cain's change meme out the window


by bobestes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:44:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice feebe attempt at spin ... (none / 0)

stretccchhhhhhhing beyond the beyond, lol.


by cChalfonte on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:59:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ambiguous on Roe v. Wade? (none / 0)

Are you kidding?  Palin is so anti-abortion that she wouldn't allow her daughter to have an abortion if she were raped!  That's hardly ambiguous.


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven?
by NM Ward Chair on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:30:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ambiguous on Roe v. Wade? (none / 0)

she is very strongly against abortion but she has never gone on record about overturning Roe, that is being intentionally ambiguous. Now if you ask me I would say she would overturn Roe if she could but try telling it to the quasi-democrats or Obamacans or any of those people.


by tarheel74 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:11:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (2.00 / 1)

" Palin, like about 60 percent of Alaska voters, favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Her environmental credentials are, at best, mixed. She favors what we in Alaska call "predator control," including, gif necessary, the hunting of wolves from the air. Just recently her Dept. of Fish and Game pulled some wolf cubs from their den and shot them as part of a program to improve moose survival.

She also opposes the listing of the polar bear as an endangered species."

She's not the least bit cool. She's an asshole.


by Zorkon on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:38:10 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

yeah, but she's cute, has a family, and looks like the mom that lives down the street from you. I say the way to handle her is to dismiss her and focus on mc cain.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:42:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

she will be pretty easy to ignore. since she hs no national standing from which to outline her principles, her main job is be an attack dog on obama.

on what basis does she have to do this? she cannot attack him on experience because she has none. she cannot attack him on the economy since the people in her state receive oil subsidies to live there. she cannot attack him on the environment for too many reasons to mention here (like drilling up ANWR. even mccain opposes that.)

i am still dumbfounded as to why people consider this a "gamechanger".

if anyone thinks hillary's supporters are going flock to mccain because of this choice, just wait until Hillary lets loose on Palins hard-right, extremist views on womens reproductive rights.

one of the big reasons hillary had so much support was her experience and expertise? what is mccain doing?


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:17:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A gamechanger (none / 0)

like the prevent defense.  Palin prevents McIdiot from winning.


Senator Al Franken. Have I died and gone to heaven?
by NM Ward Chair on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:23:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

mark my words (none / 0)

this is not cocky obamamaniaspeak, this is the truth: Obama won the election yesterday and today.


by bobestes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:51:06 PM EST
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thoughts on palin (2.00 / 2)

1. She's a nobody. She should be treated as such. Biden should say hello at the debates, then hammer mc cain.

2. Obama has the right idea: acknowledge Palin, pat her on the head, then get right back to "90%, 90%, 90%"


by bobestes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:40:08 PM EST

Re: thoughts on palin (none / 0)

perhaps palin's strength is that she is expendable to an extent: from her own position of inexperience she will attack obama as being equally inexperienced while indicating that perhaps biden or clinton should be at the top the ticket. then mccain can take the high road. just a thought.


by tomanderson13 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:45:47 PM EST
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I agree (none / 0)

100%


by cChalfonte on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:02:11 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)


by rfahey22 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:58:11 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

very good analysis of the "Biblical womanhood." argument. a lot of deeply evangelical women voters will understand, just like a lot of female hillary supporters, that this is just a cynical, political ploy with no real change affecting women's rights or their "place in the home."

on the flip side, i dont see how this choice appeases the business side of the republican coalition. romney understood them. palin is governor of a state in which everyone receives subsidies based on oil revenues to live there. what business model supports that situation?

all in all, a gift to obama, with a focus on putting up a woman to run against hillary in 2012 or 2016 (yes she can!).


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:08:16 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I can see the brilliance of picking a woman sportscaster, but shouldn't he have rewarded one who had risen to the top of her profession- like Hanna Storm?


by wrb on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:12:09 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

I think we are underestimating the value of this pick to McCain.  In a year when the Democrats have such a large "generic" lead, the only way a Republican can win is be winning over large number of centrist voters, including independents and some Democrats.  McCain is perhaps the only Republican candidate that has a chance to do that, because of his record as a maverick.

However, he was somewhat boxed in in his VP choice.  If he made a non-traditional pick, such as Joe Lieberman or Meg Whitman, he would have infuriated his right-wing base.  But if he picked a candidate that satisfied his right-wing base, he would have undermined his message as a maverick.

Palin has solid support from the right-wing base -- probably as much as anybody else under consideration.  However, because of her gender, her quirky background, and her successful fights against the corrupt Republican establishment in Alaska -- she also strongly reinforces McCain's maverick reputation.  Her pick thus allows McCain to pivot from the nominating contest, when he had to reassert  his conservative credentials, to the presidental campaign, when he will reemphasize his maverick tendencies, thus allowing him to better appeal to centrist.

Finally, this pick will also allow McCain to dramatically capture the media narrative the next 1-2 weeks, which could possibly be the weeks in which this campaign is pretty much decided.

Let's look at the bounce the Republicans get in the next two weeks.  If McCain Palin are able to take a lead in the polls following the Republican National Convention, it could be a very tough campaign ahead.


by markjay on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:34:58 PM EST

Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

Like everyone else you assume the right wing base is enough in 2008. You also assume that any woman will do ethe job for McCain. You also overstate how long the media will focus on this. By monday in this news cycle they will move on to the convention and specifically mccain.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:49:10 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (none / 0)

ps- let me remind you that mccain didn't have a base problem. obama did. that should tell you why this choice is a hail mary.


by bruh3 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:50:03 PM EST
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Re: I have just one question (1.00 / 1)

McCain's base was going to vote for him anyway, they were just going to hold their noses.  Now, they'll be enthusiastic about it.  He's also making a play for the women's vote and he'll get the disgruntled PUMAs who'll never vote for Barack Obama(like that chick on Chris Matthews).  I think at least 85% of women who supported Hillary supported her b/c she was the first qualified woman to ever run for the top spot, you could put her in there and feel comfortable with the decision.  The other 15% are just women voting based on gender and most likely Obama wasn't going to gain them back anyway.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:05:08 PM EST

I have a question, too. (1.00 / 1)

which body part did you pull those numbers out of?


by chiefscribe on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:23:52 PM EST
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Re: I have a question, too. (none / 0)

I said, I think, as in, it's my opinion.  There was absolutely nothing in my original post that required a troll-rating.  Just b/c you didn't agree with it, didn't make it troll worthy.  Grow up.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:30:04 PM EST
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hmmm, wonder who TRed my post. (none / 0)


by chiefscribe on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 06:59:38 PM EST
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