Live From Hillary Clinton Delegate Meeting UPDATE

Update [2008-8-27 16:5:44 by Todd Beeton]:Hillary has released her delegates but will not tell them what to do. She told her delegates that she signed her ballot for Senator Obama this morning.

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I'm here at the Denver Convention Center where hundreds (thousands?) of Clinton delegates are lined up to see Hillary Clinton address them prior to today's roll call vote. Earlier today delegates began casting ballots and, according to The AP, "Clinton delegates are moving toward Obama."

A swell of Hillary Rodham Clinton delegates said they were casting their presidential nominating votes for Barack Obama on Wednesday, encouraged by her speech urging them to fall in line behind the party's certain nominee.

The delegates received their ballots at stage delegation breakfast meetings. A roll call vote was scheduled for later in the afternoon after brief nominating speeches for both Clinton and Obama. The former rivals negotiated a plan that would cut off the split roll call after a few states -- perhaps by Clinton herself -- in favor of acclamation for Obama.

I spoke to a Clinton delegate from Oregon who told me that Hillary's speech inspired him to "see the big picture and not my own feelings about the DNC." He said that a lot of Hillary delegates have been holding Obama responsible for decisions they now believe were Howard Dean's (i.e not putting Hillary in nomination, not allowing a roll call vote) but now "more people are realizing it was Howard Dean and more people are thinking about the future and not their own anger." I question his premise but that's how he, and apparently many others like him, believe.

After the roll call vote and Obama is officially nominated, this particular Clinton delegate and 2 of his fellow delegates intend to rip off their Hillary Clinton shirts to reveal Obama shirts underneath.

This room is filling up fast. It's general admission, no chairs, with a stage in the front and a podium emblazoned with the blue "Change We Can Believe In" sign. People are now chanting "Hillary!"

Stay tuned...

Update [2008-8-27 15:29:10 by Todd Beeton]:By the way, several delegates told me they suspect Hillary will use this meeting to release her delegates, although she will not require them to vote for him.

Update [2008-8-27 16:5:44 by Todd Beeton]:Michael Nutter, Mayor of Philadelphia has taken the stage. "I am the Mayor of Philadelphia, I am a Pennsylvania Hillary delegate and most of all I am a huge fan of Hillary Clinton!" The place goes nuts.

Update [2008-8-27 16:5:44 by Todd Beeton]:OK, Hillary is here. The place is chanting "Hillary!"

Update [2008-8-27 16:5:44 by Todd Beeton]:"Was that some speech she gave last night, or what?" The place goes nuts. Nutter talked about the points Hillary made in her speech.

"She said she was proud to support Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States." APPLAUSE. "She said it's time to come together, unite as a party and elect a Democrat to the White House!" More applause.

"There was some hurt at the end of the primary process but let me tell you the hurt we feel today will be so much worse if John McCain is elected president."

Update [2008-8-27 16:5:44 by Todd Beeton]:Hillary is now speaking. "It's wonderful to see all of you so I could thank you." The place is cheering and chanting.

She's praising the delegates for the hard work that they did to become delegates.

"This has been a joy. Yes, we didn't make it but boy did we have a good time trying." "It is traditional that we have nominations, that we have a roll call. We have candidates that look for ways to work so we come out of here to win in November. I come here today to release you as my delegates." The place is mostly booing. "Noooooooooo!"

"What that means is that both Senator Obama's name and mine will be put into nomination this afternoon. I have spoken to many of you who have expressed your questions about what you should do. Many of you feel a responsibility to represent your voters. Others of you want the chance to vote what's in your heart. Still others will be voting for Senator Obama because they want to demonstrate their commitment to the party and the nomninee. So I am not telling you what to do."

"I signed my ballot this morning for Senator Obama."

"What is important to come out of today is that we nominate Senator Barack Obama and Joe Biden for the president and vice president of the United States."

Update [2008-8-27 16:7:54 by Todd Beeton]:"I want to win in November. I want to improve my winning percentage."

She just thanked her delegates and left the stage to much cheering.



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Re: Live From Hillary Clinton Delegate Meeting (2.00 / 1)

If anyone heard Brian Schweitzer's and Hillary Clinton's speeches back to back last night and is still unsure about how they will vote (or planning on voting for McCain), I don't know how you can call yourself a Democrat. The Obama campaign needs to pick up on some of that rhetoric and start contrasting his tax and energy plans with McCains'.


Never separate the life you live from the words you speak. -Sen. Paul Wellstone (Minnesota)
by Max Fletcher on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:40:33 PM EST

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I hadn't thought of that but it would be strategically smart of Obama to make Dean the goat. Obama can afford to sacrifice Dean.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:40:46 PM EST

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I'll bet Dean insisted on it.  My guess is he is probably tired of the DNC chair anyway (its been a while now that he has been chair) and may retire anyway.   He probably won't run for the white house again, so it won't hurt him and given the overwhelming win in VT for Obama, I'd say if he wanted to run for Senator or Governor again, he'd win easily... or maybe a cabinet role or maybe an ambassadorship.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59:03 PM EST
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Maybe. DNC chair is a thankless job, and he has the good fortune to have presided over likely back to back gains in the House and Senate. If Obama wins it is hard to imagine Dean going out on a higher note.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:06:48 PM EST
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Dean doesn't want the DNC chair again- I think he's got a Senate seat in his future (heard that on another diary last night)!


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59:34 PM EST
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I can't vote for him in the Senate, but I'd send him money!


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:03:11 PM EST
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The healing, the catharsis...It's all so, so, well, maybe I'll just leave that thought unfinished.  Seriously though, given how bad McCain is on women's issues, and all the hoops that Clinton supporters are making Obama jump through, there better be a pretty big uptick this year in female support come election day.

Now you can pummel me with stones.


http://www.yawnmccain.com
by enozinho on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:43:03 PM EST

Not if the media has their way (2.00 / 1)

Look at the latest Crap that CNN is pushing:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

They are stating that Hillary's body language proved that she is not behind Obama, and that she will not move voters to Obama.


by gavoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:50:23 PM EST
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Re: Not if the media has their way (none / 0)

Gallup seems to disagree.... They said Monday was a good night for Obama... I expect tonights polling to be bigger.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:00:16 PM EST
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Re: Not if the media has their way (none / 0)

and the comments are really good:

You MUST be joking. Honestly, she is likely the best public speaker I have ever scene, both within politics and the business realm. To suggest that she was smirking is confrontational. She was warm, engaging, articulate, open and best of all she CONNECTED with the electorate. Please dispense with these cynical and inflammatory puff pieces and lets address the real issues, like Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama are trying to do.

As journalists, it is your job to REPORT the news, not create controversy and drama to boost ratings and retain viewers.

You people are starting to make me sick.

OOOhhh! Wow! What's next tea leaf reading or handwritting analysis? REAL INSIGHTFUL JOURNALISM!!! Who's on board next? Nancy Reagan's astrologer? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT NEWS IS ANYMORE????


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:09:52 PM EST
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WTF? (none / 0)

My mother is the queen of reading body language--just by looking at a woman, she can tell not only whether or not she's pregnant, but also whether or not she knows it!  (She hasn't been wrong yet.)

She was really angry after Hillary's June concession speech because she read Hillary's body language as a coded "I'm being forced to do this"  message to her supporters (women being much better, on average, at reading body language than men), and watched the speech last night specifically to see what Hillary's body language would say this time.   The result?  She thinks Hillary's body language matched the text of her speech completely.

I think I'll take her word over some clueless male CNN reporter looking for marketable drama, thanks.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:12:57 PM EST
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I hope that your mother is correct again, and I hope that other women saw the same thing.


by gavoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:18:46 PM EST
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If Howard Dean has to take the fall in this case, so bet it. He's the head of the DNC and he's ultimately responsible. I'm sure he's even willing to take the fall in this case.

When a Democrat is sitting in the White House next January 98% will forget about everything and realize that under Dean's watch we've gained control of both houses of Congres and the White House.


by PSUdan on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:46:09 PM EST

not helping (2.00 / 1)

Someone in the Obama campaign needs to get McCaskill on board:

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, an Obama supporter, said Clinton's challenge in getting her delegates to come on board with Obama "may be the biggest test of her leadership."

"If she's not a strong enough leader to get her followers to do what's right for America, then that would surprise me," McCaskill told the AP. "I think they are going to follow her lead, and her lead was very crystal clear last night."

As was crystal clear from her speech last night Hillary Clinton is doing everything she can to get her supporters on board, an idiot surrogate trying to push them off just hurts Obama.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:49:44 PM EST

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I don't think that's what she meant. She is acknowledging the incredible passion and effort Hillary is putting into this campaign, that why "that would surprise [her]" if Hillary couldn't get some of the others on board.

I think we're all still conditioned by the Primary Wars to jump on these things, though I admit that McCaskill could have been a lot clearer with her wording.


by STLSignes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59:43 PM EST
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She does need to frame better.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:01:58 PM EST
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Re: Americans (none / 0)

Clinton has been doing everything she could to bring her supporters to Obama since she conceded. I thought only Obama could close the sale, but her speech last night gave me hope that she might be able to win over a significant number of voters for him. She can and is doing more, as pointed out in this diary.

The problem to me with McCaskill's comments, the framing problem if you like, is that to a delegate who is not on board they sound like "you are stupid if you don't do what you were told last night, and the person you were elected to represent is a weak leader."

As you point out most Americans, when they hear something like that, get pretty stubborn.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:32:57 PM EST
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Re: Where did you find that quote (none / 0)

From the AP article Todd linked to:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/ap_o n_el_pr/cvn_democratic_nomination

Since she refers to the speech I assume it is from today. I wouldn't have brought it up but it was kind of jarring in the context of the AP report.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:35:29 PM EST
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Well... (2.00 / 2)

I guess ol' Howard is gonna have to take one for the team.

I am and will forever be a Deaniac at heart - and I'll follow that man to the gates of hell.

I was one of many that worked hard to get him elected DNC chair - and I'm also one of many that think he's played a big role in us "taking our party back"...

For pushing through the 50 state strategy - for spreading DNC resources around to areas that desolate Dem areas - I personally am thrilled with his performance as DNC chair.

That said...  There's too much at stake, and too many much, much more important battles to fight than fighting over a guy whose term will be up in less than a year, and per tradition, almost certainly won't run again.

I will absolutely be looking for a '50 state strategy supporter' to replace him... and I'll also fight tooth and nail against a DLCer... but sure... everything else is up for negotiation.


by zonk on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:52:05 PM EST

This convention (none / 0)

is working out fabulously!

Some people thought Bill and Hillary should just dry up and go away, but I disagreed. Having her come out so forcefully and genuinely for Obama/Biden and for this Country is just what we all needed!

Obama/Biden... all the way to the Whitehouse!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 03:58:23 PM EST

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Back to back jacks would be great tonight.  Strong speech of support by Bill tonight rivaling Hillary's and then a tearing apart of McCain by Biden would be Legend.... wait for it.... dary.  

Seriously, it should lead into a fantastic event Thursday.  And PLEASE McCain announce your VP on Thursday...   Not only will it fire up the Dems it will be swallowed byt he Obama moment.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:05:53 PM EST

Hillary Clinton Delegate Meeting UPDATE (none / 0)

I'm listening to Randi Rhodes and she just mentioned that she saw a woman with a PUMA shirt on get into a Hummer limo.
I'll bet that is just what a "lifelong Democrat" would do, isn't it?
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:13:03 PM EST

Howard Dean (none / 0)

I don't think anyone here knows the inner workings of the party - the DNC roll call thing has been too arcane even for me - but I'm really hesitant to make Dean the sacrificial lamb here.  Dean is the one who brought the 50-state strategy to the Democratic Party, and for that we owe him, we owed him in 2006, we'll owe him now.  I don't quite know how this primary circus is going to shake out, but let's not all run Dean out of town on a rail.  To be honest, the primary turned into a siege, and I think in a year, we're all going to realize that we were all responsible.

If not for Dean, we'd still be spending all of our time and money in Ohio and Florida, not noticing that states like Virginia and South Dakota were waiting for some Party support, not noticing that we had an opportunity to get Senators and Representatives out of places like Alaska.


by auronrenouille on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:17:08 PM EST

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I agree... but most PUMAs hate Dean now anyway.... better him than Obama.


by yitbos96bb on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:25:59 PM EST
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"better him than Obama" - Why anybody?  Are we going to string someone up on the front lawn of the White House?

People need to learn to act like adults.


by auronrenouille on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST
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Some people are angry about how the process is being handled, I would argue justifiably so. But there is not much Obama himself can do to address their anger, the political tasks before him preclude that. Instead he can give them an outlet for their anger. Dean is nominally in charge of the convention (Obama and Hillary have the real power) and does not represent a constituency that Obama is concerned about losing, so he is expendable.

Adults need a person to focus their anger and action on, or else it turns self-destructive. Hence all the calls to pair McCain with Bush, the anger at what Bush has done will turn to despair and cynicism if we don't redirect it to McCain.


by souvarine on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 05:53:14 PM EST
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Randi Rhodes can flush herself down the toilet (none / 0)

I am glad to see Clinton managing her delegate meeting so well.  It has to be individuals' choice, but she is setting the right example by casting her vote for Barack Obama.   I hope that they worked it out such that Clinton can get some significant votes, but that it gets cut off and Obama is nominated by acclamation.  At that point, the remaining die hard clinton supporters should really follow their leader and drop their opposition to Obama.


by activatedbybush on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 04:31:28 PM EST

Wow (none / 0)

I can't believe that in a year where we had the first serious female and first serious AA candidate for the presidency, that we've just nominated an African-American.  Growing up this did not seem even remotely possible.  I'm not even sure that I believe this as I watch it.  America can be unexpectedly great.


by mady on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 07:02:32 PM EST


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