Biden will be a good surrogate for Obama

The case for Joe Biden as Barack Obama's running mate is simple: he's got a lot of experience at the federal level, particularly in foreign policy. That will reassure voters who may be concerned about Obama's resume and blunt a major line of attack from John McCain (whose ads have been questioning whether Obama is "ready to lead").  

But plenty of people in Washington have served in Congress for 20 or 30 years. What makes Biden better than most of them as a running mate? Media scripts about the "gaffe machine" notwithstanding, I submit that Biden's campaigning ability will be a huge asset to Obama.

I know the stories about Biden putting his foot in his mouth, and I am old enough to remember the Clarence Thomas hearings, when Biden talked too much and didn't put Thomas on the spot enough.

But he is a much better campaigner than people give him credit for.

Of all the presidential candidates, Biden got the best word of mouth from Iowans who attended his events last year. I don't think I ever talked to anyone who went to hear him and walked away unimpressed. I wrote about this last summer and again right before the Iowa caucuses.

If you don't believe me, read accounts by other people who listened to Biden take questions for an hour or more from voters, sometimes just about Iraq and foreign policy but more often about any topic Iowans felt like bringing up.

Biden is not going to need a crash course in federal policy to prepare for the vice-presidential debate, because he knows this stuff inside-out. And despite his reputation for long-windedness, he is able to answer questions in 30 to 60 seconds. In the Democratic candidates' debates last year, Biden did extremely well despite consistently getting 30 percent to 50 percent less time to speak than the front-runners. He often had the most memorable one-liners from those debates too.

Speaking about the news media's blackout of long-shot Democratic contenders, Elizabeth Edwards wrote in this op-ed for the New York Times:

And it's not as if people didn't want this information. In focus groups that I attended or followed after debates, Joe Biden would regularly be the object of praise and interest: "I want to know more about Senator Biden," participants would say.

Biden's speaking style is more aggressive than Obama's, which will help him be the attack dog Obama will need.

I also agree with Jonathan Singer's point that Biden's relative lack of wealth will reinforce the message that the Democratic candidates can relate to ordinary Americans on bread-and-butter economic issues.

Finally, Steve Clemons is absolutely right: Americans are going to love Jill Biden.

Biden wasn't my number one choice for Obama's vice president, but he is going to bring a lot to the table.



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Thank You (2.00 / 2)

Excellent Information. The next couple of months will be very interesting.
I look forward to learning more about Mrs. Biden.
by parahammer on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM EST

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I agree. Biden has a great ability to given direct answers to complex questions, and is rarely trapped by his own nuance. Plus, he's from Scranton. I don't mean to thread-jack, but I am BEAMING about this pick for a pretty superficial reason.

Yay for Scranton!


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by dannybauder on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:17:13 AM EST

I'll indulge you (2.00 / 1)

because one of my grandmothers was born and raised in Scranton!


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:27:31 AM EST
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Lack of wealth? (2.00 / 2)

Give me a break.
A lot of bloggers don't seem to understand that the poor want jobs and the middle class wants higher paying jobs.  Bill Clinton was popular when he left office because people had Jobs. Bush is unpopular because job creation has sucked.  Who will be better at delivering jobs? McSame or Obama.  This election is about the stupid economy not foreign policy.  Yes we do need better foreign policy but Americans will be voting their pocketbooks this election and we have to win on jobs.

When was the last time Obama focused specifically on jobs? and made a commitment to provide more jobs than Bush?  or went into details on how Obama was going to provide jobs?

The Obama economic message is not resonating with voters, especially in the Midwest, because he is not speaking their language about their concerns which are Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.  Clinton won many of those voters in the primary because a typical Clinton stump speech mentioned jobs 2 or 3 times every minute.  Obama needs to quit running on foreign policy and attack the Republicans on jobs.


by bakho on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:20:54 AM EST

Obama's "hands" ad (none / 0)

talked about creating jobs, particularly green jobs.

I take your point that the Obama message on the economy is not yet resonating.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:29:54 AM EST
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what is a 'green job' (2.00 / 1)

I know what a green job is, but voters want something concrete.

"In 4 years I will create 100,000 American manufacturing jobs making solar and wind energy equipment.  These will be the same type of jobs as auto parts manufacturing- good paying jobs with benefits."

Or "I will create 200,000 good paying union construction jobs by making our government buildings energy efficient and utilizing solar power where practical."  Why pay money for foreign oil if we can pay our workers good wages to save energy?

Or- You worry that there is no future for your children in the auto industry.  What if your children had good paying jobs in the manufacture of green energy equipment.  What if we paid our own workers good wages to make our own energy instead of sending those Billions of dollars overseas?

The voters have to see "green jobs" as concrete and tangible, not an empty slogan.  And it will cost a lot of money.  However putting money behind creating new jobs is good policy.

Obama talks too lofty about the economy instead of focusing on jobs and how he will produce them.  Voters are having difficulty understanding what the new jobs will be, what they would pay and how they could get the training they need to qualify.  This is why his message is not resonating.


by bakho on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:34:15 AM EST
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I am Disappointed (none / 0)

Picking Boring Biden is a losing strategy.  I am very disappointed.  


by markieparkie on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:20:54 AM EST

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Is this snark?


by parahammer on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:23:15 AM EST
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It must be - Biden is not boring at all!


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by politicsmatters on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:26:17 AM EST
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Biden was the best option (none / 0)

of the names on Obama's short list. Bayh, Kaine, or Sebelius would have helped him less, in my opinion.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:28:46 AM EST
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Obama-Biden '08 (none / 0)

I don't think Obama needed to go with a foreign policy heavyweight - Obama's positions from Musharraf to nuclear non-proliferation to Iraq have shown their worth.  That said, perceptions are everything and so adding Biden will help.
I think Biden's work on behalf of women (authoring of the Violence Against Women Act), his humble roots, and his campaign experience will make him a great advocate for Obama on the campaign trail.  That and he's an all-around great guy.  Go Obama-Biden!
by Mr DC on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:31:05 AM EST

This is the battle ahead (none / 0)


The big downside-- Biden has said nasty things about Obama. Here's what Biden said about Obama's foreign policy experience, from a press release Biden sent out during the primary:

Sen. Biden has been talking about this for over 6 months. Dating back to January 5th, Sen. Biden said America Should Surge Troops in Afghanistan. He told the Washington Post, "If we're surging troops anywhere, it should be in Afghanistan," Biden said. Adding troops there would give the United States "the moral high ground" in its quest for more forces from NATO allies. [Washington Post, 1/5/07]

"We find it a little disingenuous that Sen. Obama is hailing this as a new bold initiative when he has neglected to join his colleagues in the Senate when the opportunities have been there to redirect our forces into Afghanistan" said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. "It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 807/Biden_Obama_stole_my_ideas.html

And then there's Biden's plagiarism problems:

Then in September 1987, the campaign ran into serious trouble when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party.[27] Though Biden had correctly credited the original author in all speeches but one, the one where he failed to make mention of the originator was caught on video.[28] Within days, it was also discovered that, while a first year law student at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. Though the then-dean of the law school, as well as Biden's former professor, played down the incident of plagiarism, they did find that Biden drew "chunks of heavy legal prose directly from" the article in question. Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record. Biden also released at the same time the record of his grades as an undergraduate which were C's and D's with the exception of two A's in physical education, one B in a course on English writers and an F in ROTC during his first three semesters.[29] His grades improved later in his undergraduate career but were not exceptional.[29] Further, when questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school Biden had claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class, (when he actually graduated 76th in a class of 85) that he had attended on a full scholarship, and had received three degrees.[30] In fact he had received two majors, History and Political Science, and a single B.A., as well as a half scholarship based on financial need.[30]

Faced with these revelations, Biden withdrew from the nomination race on September 23, 1987, saying his candidacy had been overrun by "the exaggerated shadow" of his mistakes.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden

You can be sure the right wingers will attack Biden for flunking ROTC.  I am sorry I do not share the heady enthusiasm of others, but Biden is a secondary figure in the Senate.  Jim Webb (who didn't want the VP slot) and Wesley Clark would have been better picks.  And so too would have been Jack Reed from RI, who taught at West Point.  Biden's state has only 3 EVS and Kerry carried it easily anyway.


by strongerthandirt on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:47:26 AM EST

Webb hates campaigning (2.00 / 1)

so would have been a poor choice. His comments about women would have become an issue too. Biden's record on women's issues is strong.

I liked Clark as a VP choice, but Obama clearly didn't want him for whatever reason.

Not every running mate has to deliver a state. And there was a lot more bad blood between Reagan and Bush in 1980 than a few comments from a Biden spokesman about Obama.


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by desmoinesdem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:59:33 AM EST
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Re: This is the battle ahead (none / 0)


Wow, a running mate who criticized his opponent in the primary!  Yes, he must be disqualified.  What was Obama thinking?  Grow up.
by stuckinsf on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:00:31 AM EST
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Re: This is the battle ahead (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, I mean that killed Reagan when he picked the guy who called his economic plan "voodoo economics."


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by politicsmatters on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:01:24 AM EST
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Re: Biden will be a good surrogate for Obama (2.00 / 2)

Check out this amazing footage of Biden on Bush's prosecution of the war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1op8vwF5 UA


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by politicsmatters on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:54:57 AM EST

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Excellent!   Thanks for posting this.


by cameoanne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:40:27 PM EST
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Did McCain go to sleep last night? (none / 0)

His stooges already have a web video out on politico about Biden praising McCain and that "readiness" line about Obama.

I think Obama should try to emphasize how the pick was non-political.  It'll stand in good contrast to McCain if he picks Romney, a pure political calculation based on geography and money.  That Biden doesn't help with geography or money may actually work in favor of Obama's narrative about the veep.  

We may have stumbled onto a narrative about McCain's veep if it is someone who doesn't support abortion rights; by going so publicly with his pro-choice trial balloon with Lieberman and Ridge and having been beaten back quickly on talk radio by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, I think we can make the case that McCain "caved" to the wingnut-part of his party if the choice is eventually pro-life.


by Blazers Edge on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:21:38 AM EST

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Biden v Mitt debate matchup just has me salivating.

Biden has more 'joe six-cred' while also being a better debater and an order of magnitude more informed about federal priorities/possibilities.

I wonder if this embarrassing prospect might cause McCain to go back to Tom Ridge as VP.  Ridge isn't as sharp a campaigner as Biden, but at least he'd counter Biden's strength in Pennsylvania and wouldn't come across as Thurston Moneybags III.


by cargocult on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:25:35 AM EST

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He's also pro-choice. Which would make this a ticket between one guy who wanted everyone to think he was pro-choice and another who is pro-choice, but swears he'll pretend not to be. Yeah, conservatives will love that.


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by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:36:56 AM EST
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Re: Biden will be a good surrogate for Obama (2.00 / 2)

As President, Obama will need someone to get the Senate and House to get things done. This is where
Biden will be needed and respected.

Am off to the streets of Denver for some planned action.

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by nogo postal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:27:41 AM EST

Ouch (none / 0)


http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanma rtin/0808/McCain_to_air_Biden_TV_ad.html
by oliver99 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:53:21 PM EST
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Troubling: Once again, GOP is dictating the turf (none / 0)

of this election...the Biden thing started in earnest when Russia invaded Georgia, and McCain appointed himself co-Secretary of State. So in an effort to shore up Barack's perceived lack of foreign policy credentials, we suddenly get the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as his running mate...this is a very reactive choice.

In the meantime, I hope someone in either party wakes up and remembers that we have the worst economy since the Great Depression, and a financial sector in meltdown. Against that backdrop, I would have loved to see something else today, something dramatic: declaration of a Marshall Plan to re-build the economy, with the introduction of a Bob Rubin, or someone from the private sector as the Vice Presidential nominee.

It would be nice to fight the battle on our turf--the economy--instead of yet another election in which we debate who is stronger on national defense, more patriotic,etc. This feels very much like the John--reporting for duty--Kerry convention of four years ago.

Bottom line--Repubs love to have these national elections based on fear of terror and national security, and we let them do it every cycle. We don't have to follow their lead; we can set our own priorities. We should set a different emphasis--perhaps, "it's the economy, stupid!" would be a good starting point. It will be harder to do with an Obama-Biden ticket.


by BJJ Fighter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:41:39 AM EST

Biden's Campaigning Ability? (none / 0)

Biden's campaigning ability is a reason to pick him for VP? If Biden is such a great campaigner, they why was his support an asterisk in this Presidential campaign? I am not sure that Biden will add a single vote for Obama.

And I really do not see Biden innoculating Obama with foreign policy expertise. How is Biden really identifiable to the general public as a foreign policy expert like perhaps a Wesley Clark? And in reality he is not, for example what insight has he brought to Iraq policy based on all his experience and expertise?


by Clintonomics on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:50:33 AM EST

Biden's Policy Expertise. (none / 0)

My guess is Biden's campaign results were poor not because he wasn't a good campaigner (he did well in the debates), but because Democrats favored change over experience, disliked his vote for AUMF, and the Iowa caucus process disadvantaged him - desmoinesdem would know better what Iowans were thinking.  However, I don't think voters will be disappointed with Obama picking a running mate with Washington experience and doubt that Biden's wide foreign policy expertise (Bosnia, judging success in Iraq on political developments, and criticizing the administration's dependence on Musharraf) is inferior to Clark's (though I would need more information about Clark to be sure).  

I agree with BJJ that the economy is probably the voters' priority this year - by neutralizing a perception of Democratic national security/foreign policy weakness, Obama frees himself to speak more on the economy, and lets Biden highlight the real foreign policy weaknesses of McSame.


by Mr DC on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:09:54 PM EST
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Re: Biden's Campaigning Ability? (none / 0)

It was an asterisk because the media refused to cover him. He was running against 2.5 celebrities - but back in '88, he was the leading fundraiser before dropping out to fight Bork rather than fight the bogus plagiarism charges. No on could break through this year, but if he'd run in '04, he would've had a strong chance.


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by Nathan Empsall on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:07:01 PM EST
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Biden represents the "we are not taking any shit from you" ticket.  I really cant wait.  Will it be successfull?  Who really knows.  


by tired of dynasties on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:08:33 PM EST

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I'll second the "take no shit" ticket.  Bout time.


by MtnFrost on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:33:03 PM EST

Re: Biden will be good (2.00 / 1)

Biden and his money...No PACs (just like Obama)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/ the-money-behind-biden.html
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by nogo postal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:02:03 PM EST

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Biden will make a great attack dog.  Sure, he sticks his foot in his mouth on occasion, but he knows how to go right for the throat.   You need a good attack dog in the #2 spot.   I really want to see Biden versus Mittens now.


by gavoter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:41:28 PM EST


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