I'm with you, but I'm still hoping for:

Obama-Clinton '08!  

Are you really hinting that the grown-ups of the party were ex-Hillary supporters now for Obama? I get that gist from the diary. My view is that the grown-ups did not support her to begin with. Hillary was a war-monger and in the pocket of foreign interests, and likely to cave in to having the US bomb Iran.

No issue will affect Americans in the next four years as this one: will the US or Israel bomb Iran or not? Any further wars or conflicts in the region will throw the US into a great depression. Not only will the poor and elderly suffer from inflation gone awry, but so will the middle class.

Yea, pretty much. But out of those three, only Kaine is really what Obama's message is about, the other two, Bayh and Biden just don't make sense at all. Regardless, as long as he doesn't pick Hagel or some other Republican, I don't really care.  If he does choose Hagel, or some other Republican, is he really betting that he can get me to vote for the first Republican in my lifetime? That will never happen. Maybe they have two separate punches for Pres and VP.

Don't feed the trolls, kids.

i'm from the wing that wants to be heard by our leaders. I'm of the sort that democracy isn't for wimps and that when our leaders let us down, we have to tell them or they won't know and they'll think it's okay. I'll vote for Barack but I refuse to believe that me or anyone else exercising free speech will hurt his changes, i suggest the contrary. I've heard too many public figures I respect that weren't connected to either campaign say the unbeatable ticket has Hillary on it.  So, sure I'll vote for Barack whomever he decides to pick, but if he doesn't pick HIllary and he continues to tank, I'm not going to blame myself. Many have told him, he should listen.  This is far from being about Barack's comfort level or respect to elected leaders or any such stuff, the world is in dire place and what it of utmost importance is that we win.  He needs to do what he must to win, he owes it to all of us.  

Get i?  

Alegre has a "wing" now?  She's moved up from "Corner".

I call you the unprincipled wing of the democratic party! You don't put your long held principles of what the democratic party USED to be defined by just to win - you excuse all of his flip flops on democratic values and accept his running as a republican lite, pandering to the vile wing of the republican party simply to get elected.....

Please enlighten me on how he's going to pay for all of his promises when he just flip flopped, once again, on raising taxes on the rich to pay for his promised commitments to democratic values.

The man has no moral values... he's just full of words and air....  

I'd like to think of you as a representative of the grownup wing of the Democratic Party but insulting those in the Democratic party who don't agree with you and making assumptions in reference to the reasons why they don't, is not "grownup" IMO.

Whoever he he choses will be better that Gore's choice in 2000

I wonder if there is common ground that we can arrive at that will satisfy us all, even with Hill not on the ticket. Btw, I'm an ardent Clinton supporter.

First, Sen. Clinton lost the primary fair and square. FL and MI will be seated and their votes counted. Her name will be in roll call and none of this will amount to Hill getting the nod. She lost. I hate that she lost. So it goes.

Second, on the issues (much to the chagrin of the lefter leaning constituents of our wonderful party) Obama hi-tailed it to the center and is closer to Hillary than ever, albeit a bit watered down. The hope around here is that once elected Obama will rush back to his more progressive stances. My only snotty remark: I wouldn't bet the farm, Martha. Obama is pragmatic and though he may throw some bones, he'll "triangulate" much like Hillary would if she were prez.

Lastly, my main point, and one I think the faithful need to concede is that Obama is untested, light on campaign experience and so far is unwilling to run a campaign that differentiates itself from Kerry or Gore.

Given the SAME STUPID TACTICS the right has been using for years, it amazes me that our team has not figured out how to neutralize the character assassinations. I think Hill would have been a tougher candidate than Obama in the general. So far, I've been given little "hope" that Obama has the testicular fortitude to shoot McCain out of the sky, drag him through the mud and shut him into a room of sub-40 polling.

To the reconciliation: Obama gets our votes, Hillary gets our support and we all win.

As an ardent Hillary supporter I really wish my peers can get over it much like Hillary has and suck it up enough to vote for O.

amusing.  The notion of defining yourself as "the grownup" by calling names, essentially say "nananana booboo....you're the baby for not doing what the bullies say"  is at best laughable.

In a democracy, most grownups KNOW that their votes are their own; that the right to dissent is what makes democracy great; and that playing "Follow the leader" is a child's game.

Hmmmmm..

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?arti cle=its_his_party_08

Kaine is intriguing, but he's not well-liked in Va, I don't see who he would appeal to and Obama is already "the outsider". Biden is already qualified to be president, let alone Veep. However, he has a big mouth and is liable to put his mouth in it a few time between now and November. Bayh, I think, is the perfect mix. He can actually make his home state competitive, has experience as a state-level exec. and a senator, is a team player and his presence could add extra incentive for the Clintons to help out. I don't know if he can bring along anyone outside his home state, but at least he might put a bulls-eye on Indiana.