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Obama should avoid this Iran trap

by igwealth5tm, Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:43:39 AM EST

BO should avoid this trap of "more talks" by the MSM. He should stop criticizing US government for Iranian intransigence.

Was it the American (Bush's) fault that Iran test-fired some missiles today? NO
Was it American (Bush's) fault that Iran refused to back down on its nuclear weapon program? NO

Now that people in the know are sure about confrontation against Iran, it's time for BO to start highlighting Iranian intransigence like the nuclear program itself, harassment of US ships in the Gulf, today's missiles, and Iranian provocative rhetoric.

Instead of blaming Bush for everything wrong with Iran; the Mullahs bears the blame for Iranian situation.

I'm not a Bush apologist, but I don't want BO to become trapped into an Iranian apologist.

The Mullahs of Iran hates America and everything we stands for; so enough with this "BLAME BUSH FOR IRANIAN MISTAKE" trap.

Make no mistake about it, US or Israel will take out Iranian Nuke facilities before this November. Like I wrote in one of my prior diary:
Attack on Iranian nuclear facilities in right now inevitable and would happen between September 5 and October 15, 2008.

Tags: 2008 election, obama, Iran, iraq, war, meeting with dictators, recommended (all tags)

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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

So, you are sying that the Iranians are the one's trapping Obama, but Israel and the US are going to attack Iran? I don't follow your reasoning. Until January, anything that happens is not up to Obama, and if the world gets a third Bush Administration war (simulataneous war, btw), I don't think anyone with functioning neurons will be blaming Obama for that.

by QTG on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:01:52 AM EST

Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

An attack between September 5th and October 15th? A pre-emptive nuclear attack?

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:18:10 AM EST

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Think about what it will look like if the US decided on a surgical strike against Iran close to November and BO was there blaming the US for the cause and effect of the action.

It'll be a pre-emptive strike by the way. A sort of 1-2 week long campaign.

by igwealth5tm on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:29:20 AM EST

Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

Conventional or nuclear?

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:45:26 AM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (1.00 / 2)

You're snarking, right?

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:55:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

Not at all. The answer to that question takes on two divergent lines of inquiry which are mutually exclusive.

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:35:09 PM EST
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BO? (none / 0)

Could you change the BO to BHO? To those of us who aren't PUMA's calling Obama BO is a bit offensive.

Regarding your point: Nothing is inevitable, and opposing another Bush war is a winning issue for BHO or even John McCain if you support him.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:37:41 AM EST

Re: BO? (none / 0)

While I consider you in many ways to be an idealogical comrade in arms, this is going a little too far. People complain when others use his middle name and now you are complaining when someone doesn't include his middle initial. The heck with it. His name is what it is. His initials are what they are. In my opinion, this is too minor to even merit comment.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:28:26 PM EST
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Re: BO? (none / 0)

Thanks for the comment.

It is a minor thing but I do think it is important to let people know that calling Obama 'BO' is offensive to some. This particular diarist might not care, but someone with a legitimate gripe about Obama might lose some credibility if they use the term BO.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:26:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

An attack on Iran would have serious consequences for the US. The price of oil would skyrocket. It could easily hit $250-$300 per barrel in the event of an attack. The world community would condemn the move and might actually take steps to censure the US. Russia would use this move as a justification to become even more belligerent towards the US. China might decide that the best way to rein in the US would be to stop purchasing US debt, which would trigger a huge financial crisis.

Tell me again why attacking Iran is a better idea than working through diplomacy?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:38:25 AM EST

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Yeah, we should try diplomacy! Brilliant idea!

That's sure to work!

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:57:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

It's what the Bush administration chose to use with North Korea. Do you think Iran is less susceptible to diplomacy than North Korea?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:23:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (1.00 / 2)

It's what we chose with Iran, as well. And with Iraq. And with Libya. And with Syria. And with...

You get the idea. We ALWAYS use diplomacy first. Although I want us out of Iraq, it can't be denied that we exhausted diplomatic avenues for over a decade before finally barging in there.

We have also used diplomacy in Iran. But this is much more important than Iraq. Iran is building nukes, and as a progressive and a staunch nonproliferationalist, they must be stopped.

This is much too important of an issue to allow the hard leftists in our party to enable the Mullahs for the simple reason that they'll get to stick their fingers in Bush's eye.

Bush is not the issue here. Iranian nukes are. THey can't be allowed to get them, no matter what.

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 10:03:25 AM EST
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We did not exhaust diplomacy with Iraq. We haven't negotiated with Iran hardly at all for the last 7 years. That's what so many people are angry about.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 11:15:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (1.00 / 2)

"We did not exhaust diplomacy with Iraq. We haven't negotiated with Iran hardly at all for the last 7 years."

Wow. I don't know what to say to that. You really live in your own little world, don't you? I would advise you to look beyond wikipedia for your facts.

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 04:01:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

I'd sure like to know what world you live in. Try this article. No, it isn't on wikipedia. Anyone who thinks the current US administration has given diplomacy a chance when it comes to Iran has to be a neo-con. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.p hp?story_id=4040

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 04:15:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (1.00 / 2)

LOL so now it's the "US ADMINISTRATION" who must do the negotiating, right? Not 'western democracies'? I live in europe, and we have been negotiating with the mullahs seemingly forever, sometimes with US help sometimes without. The whole damn EU is in nonstop negotiate mode.

And they are not responding.

"Anyone who thinks the current US administration has given diplomacy a chance when it comes to Iran has to be a neo-con"

Indeed. Well, anyone who thinks the current Iranian administration hasnt been negotiated with has to be a neo-marxist.

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:12:01 AM EST
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Oh yeah. OMG yeah, I forgot. CNN reported that Russia will use military force against us if we implement the Missle Defence Shield. They issued that statement yesterday after condi signed the agreement in Praugue. WTF?!?! If there is a history, will it show these horrifying steps we took to WWIII?

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:47:35 PM EST
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This shield will cover Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Hmmm.

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:58:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

Because the Mullah want Nukes...

Nothing less is acceptable. Negotiation at the earlier stage and Stiff Sanctions as proposed by BO like the divestment bill would have stopped them.
But now, it's too late and everybody involved know that; thus, the Israeli and Iranian recent war-games.

If Israel does it, they'll not be able to do a good job enough to disable Iranian retaliation capabilities. But if we do it, we can obliterate their entire conventional retaliation capabilities.

by igwealth5tm on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:03:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

In the first place, everyone doesn't know that. In the second place, this is just fantasy - "But if we do it, we can obliterate their entire conventional retaliation capabilities."

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:39:05 PM EST
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Not only is it utter fantasy but our own generals are saying we cannot go to war with Iran right now. Furthermore, I think bush is underestimating again in the Mid East. Only this time by a factor of a 1000 rather than a factor of 10.

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:10:05 PM EST
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This is terrible advice. An October surprise in the form of an attack on Iran will probably doom any Democratic candidate, but if Obama is out there cheerleading for it it's absolutely certain.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:42:59 AM EST

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Why would it doom Obama if Bush attacked Iran? I hope like hell Dubya doesn't do it because it would be a HUGE mistake but I think the American people would see through his bullshit justifications for this and be mucho pissed about it.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:52:57 AM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

That's the reason that Obama should NOT jump on the war bandwagon as the diarist is suggesting that he do.

As highly unlikely as it is that the US attacking Iran is met with domestic criticism (just looking at the history of the last 30 years), that's the only chance that it doesn't guarantee a loss, and that's why Obama shouldn't be cheerleading this - moral considerations aside.

At any rate, if the population is going to be skeptical about a war with Iran, the groundwork has to be laid NOW - not when it actually happens.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:28:09 AM EST
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"as unlikely as it is.." rather. You can't say "as highly unlikely" - that's like "more better".

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:29:29 AM EST
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Girl, you got some grammar like whoa.

by MeganLocke on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:03:22 PM EST
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Sure you can say "highly unlikely"! "Unlikely" is an absolute adjective, and the adverb "highly" modifies it to be subjectively stronger.

"More better" is a different story because "better" is not an absolute adjective, it is a comparative adjective; while "more" is a modifier that converts an absolute adjective (or a noun) into a comparative adjective. So adding "more" to "better" is redundant, as "better" already indicates comparison.

Which is why I get so pissed off when I hear on commercials "More people use our product..." -- more than what??

</grammarnazi>

Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics

by BishopRook on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:38:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (none / 0)

Hope is useless at this point.

It's going to happen. I believe that GWB will do it to avoid allowing Israel into a potential quagmire.
Remember that Israel's existence is at stake here. The Iranian president had officially declared that he wanted the state of Israel wiped out from the map. So GWB don't resolve this, Israel will.

by igwealth5tm on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:09:28 PM EST
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He won't (none / 0)

the only way he would is if Bush sends troops into Iran before the elections. Then Obama would probably not call for an immediate withdrawal from Iran right after we went in, but some way of bringing peace to the country as quick as possible...even if it means fighting until the Iranian government is overthrown.

Say Bush invades Iran in October. Obama is not going to call for immediate withdrawal since we just antagonized the Iranian government and people. He would have to finish the job Bush started, even if he, himself, didn't start it, and then bring a peaceful solution as quickly as possible instead of a no-end occupation.

I can't see him supporting an invasion, but I can see him supporting a presence after one.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:12:57 PM EST
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Are you fucking serious? You think Iran is creating a situation where the US and Israel will go to war against them? What possible scenario here would be good for Iran? Please explain. Oh and the whole gunship harrassing thing, totally made up by the bushies.

I have been watching the development of this event over the past years and have noticed that thing are really starting to pop in the last couple of weeks. Now who benifits from this?

McCain. McCain benifits from increase anxiety over a conflict with Iran and I think McCain and bush benefit from Ahmadinejad staying in power. Finally, I wonder if Israel isn't just trying to clean up a problem before bush leaves. Hell, they did it in Syria and now they are talking.

Crap. I want to write a diary about all of this, but it is so fucking overwhelming. The history, the current situation, and the possible consequences of a total catastrofuck if we invade Iran. I am unable to even get through Hersch's article.

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:38:51 PM EST

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I did watch Fareed Zakaria GPS on Sunday. Very fucking illuminating. I don't know if you can view this still, but I would suggest seeing it if you can. I got a strong sense from them that bush is (trying) to fuck with upcoming elections in Iran.

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:42:28 PM EST
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and the interference seems to be helping Ahmadinejad. Now why would we do this?

"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:56:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama should avoid this Iran trap (2.00 / 1)

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

WHo's winning?

I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?

by William Cooper on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 10:06:01 AM EST
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