John Edwards Open To VP After All

OK, after John Edwards's surprisingly blunt admission that he was not interested in another run as VP, now that Edwards is apparently being vetted by the Obama campaign, he's reverting to the more standard "if asked I'll serve" response.

"My answer to that is, I've run for vice president, I've run for president twice. I would do anything that I felt I could do to serve this country but I think it's a huge presumption for me or anybody else to suggest what Senator Obama may decide," he said.

"To answer your question directly: I don't expect to be asked, have no expectation about it at all, I will - anything that Senator Obama asks me to do, including this, including campaigning for him, I intend to do, because what I'm going to do, I intend to take seriously," he added. "What I intend to do is everything in my power, use everything in my power to make sure that he's the next president."

Pressed on whether that meant he might join the ticket if asked, Edwards would not rule it out. "I am prepared to seriously consider anything, anything he asks me to do for our country," he told NPR.

Considering his apparent recent commitment to debate Karl Rove several times this fall, I sort of actually believe him that he truly doesn't expect to be chosen, and I don't really see what benefit he brings to an Obama ticket, except that the hypothetical bounce his addition to the ticket gives Obama is fairly dramatic. Paul Rosenberg detailed the impressive polling advantage Edwards brings to Obama in charts and maps over at Open Left. We're talking landslide territory. Now, I know these are hypothetical match-ups months in advance of an election, so they're fairly meaningless...or are they? Is it really merely a function of name recognition? I still favor Edwards for Attorney General but those numbers have to make you think, especially if Obama intends to run a "making red America comfortable with me" presidential campaign as he appears to be, Edwards could add some much needed progressive fight to the ticket. Hmmm.



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Todd or anyone (none / 0)

no one has ever explained to me how Edwards helps Obama more than Rendell in PA or more than Webb in VA??

the pollsters either called Edwards' relatives across the country to poll them or there are some people who are not part of Obama's base that really like him.

exhibit A  , getting 7% in VA months after dropping out


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:21:35 PM EST

correction (none / 0)

7% in WEST VA


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:21:54 PM EST
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Re: Todd or anyone (2.00 / 1)

You hit the nail on the head. Edwards helps strike at the heart of the groups that dislike Obama.

If they polled Edwards's relatives, they did it in over a dozen states.

On a side note, they'll try to attack Edwards as just as much of a phony as Obama, and it will completely backfire, because Edwards has such a rich and authentic life story.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:12:14 PM EST
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I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be great (2.00 / 1)

When Edwards came onstage to endorse Obama, they looked terrific as a team.  It reminded me of Clinton/Gore in '92.  Two young men, full of energy, who appear to be ready to take on anything the world brings.  Unbeatable IMO.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:22:37 PM EST

Re: I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be great (2.00 / 1)

Gotta say, I got that vibe from Clinton, too. IMHO, if it isn't between those two, it should be.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:13:24 PM EST
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Me too. (none / 0)

We saw them together for months in the primary so by now they look like a couple, so to speak.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:57:51 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

Well, that probably ends that speculation...  John!     John!  When you are courting, never look too desperate, or too easy!  You'll never land the job!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:29:37 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

What did he do for Kerry?

Edwards could add some much needed progressive fight to the ticket.

Obama's record in public office is more liberal than Edwards', who supported some of the most odius aspects of Bush's agenda.

And putting anyone on his ticket who voted with McBush to invade Iraq would undermine Obama's position that his judgment is better for having opposed it.

He might as well just say NEVER MIND on the Iraq issue.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:30:37 PM EST

how many other candidates (none / 0)

have gotten 7% of the vote in a closely contested race months after they dropped out in a state that was not his/her home state


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:39:28 PM EST
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7% of the vote (none / 0)

So what. And if that's a criteria for being VP, Hillary has Edwards beaten hands down.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:42:08 PM EST
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Obama doesn't want Hillary's drama (none / 0)

Bill's comments about POW rage yesterday and WassermanSchultz yesterday saying hillary supporters need to be consoled and wooed.

if hillary supporters don't realize McCain stands opposite hillary on every issue that's their choice


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:50:43 PM EST
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AG (2.00 / 2)

Edwards should be Attorney General. The Republican lobbyists will go into overdrive trying to derail that nomination. The insurance industry would blow a gasket.

And I am looking forward to that.


by wengler on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:30:49 PM EST

Re: AG (2.00 / 1)

He would be a good choice -- probably the first ever who wasn't a corporate shill.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:53:39 PM EST
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John Edwards was my first choice 2 xs - - (2.00 / 1)

but hasn't he always polled better than he ran?


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:45:12 PM EST

Not only (none / 0)

do the numbers show that Edwards would help Obama immensely--much more so than anyone else--he's the strongest progressive that Obama is considering (except for perhaps Jack Reed).

That's supposed to mean something in the progressive blogosphere.


by david mizner on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:45:29 PM EST

What numbers? (none / 0)

Edwards voted to invade Iraq. If Obama selects him for VP he'll no longer be able to question McSame's judgement in that regard. Putting Edwards on the ticket isn't worth Obama conceding one of his best issues.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:51:14 PM EST
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makes obama look even better (none / 0)

on national security judgement.

and just to play devil's advocate Hillary makes the iraq vote and her views on it even more confused for Obama


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:52:51 PM EST
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Re: What numbers? (2.00 / 1)

Edwards made a public apology for his vote on Iraq. One of the only occasions ever where a politician will break from the Fonzie tradition and admit they were wr-wr-wr-wrong.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:21:30 PM EST
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That's nice (none / 0)

But selecting anyone who made the same  error in judgement as McSame would undermine Obama's high ground on the issue.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:55:34 PM EST
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I'd agree but that (none / 0)

eliminate Bayh, Hillary  also.

and Richardson supported it although a governor (he's on the record for it).

so your left with clark, nunn and hagel


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:40:06 PM EST
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YEP (none / 0)

"eliminate Bayh, Hillary  also. and Richardson"

That's right. And many others besides.

"so your left with clark, nunn and hagel"

Hagel is a Reep  who voted for Iraq. Forget him too.

But there are many good Democrats who didn't vote with Bush/McCain and thereby discredit their judgement -- in fact there are too many to list.


by Beren on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:16:08 PM EST
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Re: Not only (none / 0)

Our dream ticket!!!!!!!! eom


Montesquieu and Locke are rolling in their graves right now...
by mannabass on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:13:04 PM EST
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I have to admit I've come to think (none / 0)

fondly of the idea of him on the ticket.  Whether it's because I like him more now or because I'm pragmatic and see how much he'd help, I can't say.

With Warner out of the running, he makes as much sense as anyone.

The real question is whether the two genuinely like each other and get along.  

Edwards's big drawback in 2004 on the ticket was that he didn't play rough enough.  I have no doubt that he'd be much improved this time around.


by Geekesque on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:38 PM EST
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Re: I have to admit I've come to think (none / 0)

yeah, however i'm almost positive that was Kerry/Shrum who put a leash on Edwards, as he wanted to be an attack dog and respond forcefully after the swiftboat ads began. I guess Kerry got caught wayyy too much on that "optimism" bullshit, while Bush went for the kill, and indeed killed Kerry.


by KainIIIC on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:10:39 PM EST
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Kerry folks seem to think it was the other (none / 0)

way around.  

Not really going to get into that one, except to say that it wouldn't be a problem this go around.


by Geekesque on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:34:20 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

If this happens I'll be quite overjoyed.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:49:40 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

Obama-Edwards '08:  Toward one America.  Yes, we can!

I think Edwards is a great choice.  He's someone who can appeal to white, rural, working class people while still appealing to the party's liberal base.  He compounds Obama's strength of youth and vitality.  He balances the ticket geographically and helps in a couple of swing states, not the least of which is his home state of North Carolina.


by TheUnknown285 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:50:38 PM EST

the black/white southerner narrative (2.00 / 1)

and kids of the same age playing together would be very cool indeed


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:51:50 PM EST
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Re: the black/white southerner narrative (none / 0)

AMEN!


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:40:39 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (2.00 / 1)

Edwards made some pretty angular statement about Wall Street and corporate American during his campaign -- which is why supported him.

I think Edwards would be a boon to the ticket, but I'm wondering if Obama -- now stuck with a bad case of general electionitis -- might worry that Edwards on the ticket would freak out the same Wall Street that he is trying to appease.


by alexmhogan on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:53:03 PM EST

I agree the pundit class and corporatocracy (none / 0)

would freak out.

I'm a little disappointed that Obama has completely dropped trade issues....

he was given a gift when McSame went to Colombia and promoted free trade... oh well. sometimes I wonder if Obama is trying to keep it close on purpose


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 12:56:38 PM EST
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Re: I agree the pundit class and corporatocracy (none / 0)

It's early.  Never telegraph your moves.  I have every confidence that as the election approaches, the debates will be enlightening.  You don't want the opposition knowing all of your answers to the debate questions before the debates.  I would hate to be proven wrong on this one.


Montesquieu and Locke are rolling in their graves right now...
by mannabass on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:15:10 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (2.00 / 1)

I keep hearing about Obama's move to the center, and I think it discounts the historical and logical differences of a primary versus a general campaign.  You see, when primary voters are selecting a nominee, they want to know who the nominee is and what he or she believes in a grand way.  Primary voters are looking to select a candidate that they feel could win twice... with a VP following them for two terms even.  Primary voters are looking at the long run, at least a decade, if not two.  That is great.  However, Obama is no longer running a primary campaign.  Obama is running to take over from 8 years of GOP misrule for 4 measly years.  Combat troops out of Iraq, UHC and a sane energy policy.  Three drastic changes that will take everything we have to accomplish in 4 years.  Forget everything else.  Keep it focused.  While I am depressed about the FISA vote that just occurred, we must stay focused.


Montesquieu and Locke are rolling in their graves right now...
by mannabass on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:12:07 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

Good comment, and I'd not really thought of it in quite that way.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:25:58 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

What CNN didn't report was the other comment in the discussion.   Paraphrased here.

JRE on FISA: would not vote for it.  
Obama is anticipated to do so.  

Interviewer: so does this mean you're not that interested in the VP position.

JRE: I think what I think, doesn't matter if I differ from Obama.

Personally, I don't think he is interested.


by benny06 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:14:30 PM EST

Think 'synergy' instead of 'balance' (none / 0)

Two fairly young pols who ran as outsiders challenging the establishment.  Edwards has the ability to reach bubba while Obama has the ability to reach people craving unity and healing.

Edwards has relatively little baggage, and it got vetted during the primaries.  

The only real drawback, ironically, is the fact that he was on the ticket in 2004.


by Geekesque on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:34:46 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

I'd take a bullet for Johnny Reid.

When I saw them on stage together for Edward's endorsement, I thought "this is it."

While I thought that Hillary and Barack looked good on stage together, too, but like TarHeel said above about the black / white balance, a real culmination of the "I have a dream" speech.

I think the "reinforcement" argument is the strongest argument for a VP choice, (coincidently which is why McCain should pick some one from his generation like Bob Dole or Moses) and Edwards reinforces Obama well.

Plus, alot of my friends used to work for JRE for president, and I could probably get a job out of this


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:39:42 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

A lot of people have pointed out that Edwards polls so well simply because he's already well-known to the American public, as opposed to other potential picks. On the other hand, you have to wonder if any other VP such as Sebelius or Biden would even have time to introduce themselves, in the space of a few months, in way that Edwards has already done. The fact that he was already the VP nominee, as well as having run for pres a couple times, is probably the source of his polling strength, not a reason to dismiss him.


by animated on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 01:39:55 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

Edwards does polls better other lesser known candidates, even in their home states. According to Zogby, he does boosts Obama in VA for example more than Kaine or Webb.

I didn't believe it first, but their is something their. I honestly think corporate American at this point would rather have Edwards as VP than as AG if they have to have him at all.


by alexmhogan on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:49:58 PM EST
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Edwards is a profile in Cowardice (none / 0)

His last VP run is a case in point; and his rather late support for Sen. Obama in the primaries reconfirmed that. If Sen Obama picks up
Sen Edwards as VP candidate, he will be effectively framed as just another Kerry (the flip-flopping charges have already begun). So he should look at other options and he has several good ones.  
by ann0nymous on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 02:36:35 PM EST

Elizabeth Edwards Sez Obama is Unlikely to Pick JE (2.00 / 1)

Just now on Talk of the Nation.

She says he is being polite, but he's really not seeking the office and Obama is not likely to pick John.

OK--let's move on.


by benny06 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 03:26:43 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

I happen to agree with Paul over at Open Left that this is not the result of name ID but Brand ID.
The Edwards pick polls so well because it gives shape to the Obama brand. Edwards has established a positive brand image. In that he is perceived as for something. Obama has yet to cross that line in so much as he is still mainly defined by what he is not.
The question is does Obama need Edwards to shape his brand over the longer haul?
by Judeling on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:03:34 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Open To VP After All (none / 0)

Weren't Paul's numbers over at Open Left just an amalgamation of Edwards' polling in certain states and Obama's?  In other words, no one actually got a direct reaction concerning how Edwards would impact people's choices - - right?  An honest question.    

Edwards does nothing for me as the VP nominee.  It's as simple as been there, done that.  His performance in 2004 was pitiful.  I admire the hell out of his career accomplishments, but he just doesn't cut it for me as VP material.  


by wavery2001 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 04:37:31 PM EST


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