Polarity and Moving Forward

In high school, I went to a summer program that had a large number of religious conservatives. When I arrived at the program (which had no religious basis), I had the goal in my head of being an evangelical in the other direction. I thought I could convince them of their errors and show them that those with different politics didn't match the stereotypes that are still propagated today.

Instead, I came away from that program convinced that there was much more bringing us together than binding us apart. I spent a good two hours with one of my friends, and all the discussion and argument over homosexuality and morality came down to one word: "Natural"

We had different definitions, and no amount of reasoning or logic was going to change that reality.

The lesson I learned then can be applied over and over and over again. Sometimes, I think folks around here represent Conservatives and Republicans with images of Limbaugh and Hannity. We as MyDDers can see an argument against late-term abortions as "ceding ground" to the bad guys, and moving to the center as a betrayal of everything good and right in policy.

I remember when I first went to volunteer for Obama, and how struck I was by how nice everyone was. One of the first Daily Kos diaries I saw was about the death of the diarist's mother, and I was struck then by the compassion and kindness from every commenter in the thread.

However, those of you who read this diary have a very different image of progressives and liberal than many do in this country. For some, what you stand for is seen every day in the work of "Code Pink," the group that got so ridiculous the Daily Show sent a correspondent out to lampoon them.

Some of you seem to embrace this polarization. You use RedState as if its a bad word, and react with fear to the idea of compromise. Some of you don't want to see religion involved in the public square at all.

You've gotten polarized.

Instead of following the ideals of our great leaders, you've embraced the lessons from 2000-2006 and the Republicans who did so much wrong. That's not going to get us anywhere.

Vengeance inspires vengeance. An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. This idea of full out war with your fellow citizens leaves politics bitter and poisonous to others who wish to get involved. The well of support that Obama brought out of the wood work were those people who, seeing the fights of the 90s, turned away.

Barack Obama's candidacy is based on the premise that there is a fundamental good - the same good that I discovered during my program - despite our fundamental differences. When you react with derision and hatred, or feel superior to another voice in this wild internet world, you do nothing to heal this divide.

This is your opportunity. The Republican brand is gone, and this is the chance to forge a new majority, this year, out of the violence that was 2004, when Kerry was evil and Bush was stupid. This if our chance to find new, real policies that can work for everyone, or at least most people.

You can continue the war, but that cause is self-defeating. It leads to foolish policies like the ones we saw in the beginnings of the Bush term, where people vote for laws that they knew were bad at the time, in the name of partisan unity.

Let Limbaugh and Hannity say what they say. We aim for the silent majority - those who will be watching this cycle. They might have voted for Bush - that doesn't make them stupid. They might have supported the war - that doesn't make them an idiot.

You can make the Progressive Club really exclusive, but you'll have a very lonely club. This is our chance, and this is why Obama is fighting in state he probably won't win. Its the time for a new majority, and you can sign up to recruit, or keep fighting the same fight that won't get us anywhere.

Your ego may not like it, but your fellow citizens will.

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Re: Polarity and Moving Forward (none / 0)

Loving it, it's all so true. Except FISA, there it's just dead wrong to compromise on retroactive immunity, and should be unconstitutional to give people no recourse whose rights were violated.


by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:36:49 PM EST

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Yep - I'm inclined to think he has a choice in this area between doing the right thing and appearing unable to control his party.

The "compromise" has strong support in both houses. My guess is that his campaign was canvassing to see if it would be possible to defeat the day we were all waiting for a statement, but we really don't know. Obama said himself that he's going to take hits on this.

We can take faith that the bill won't stop a full investigation by the AG (who I predict to be JE)..


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:15:32 PM EST
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America has a long and cherished tradition of 'Us & Them', but now it seems there's a lot more Thems and pitifully few Usses. Lucky thing the Supreme Court and the NRA are working to make things even more interesting.


by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:46:58 PM EST

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Just remember that more people have given to the Obama campaign than any that came before it.

Every time an egregious attack is leveled, Obama will have a huge donor base with which to respond.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:17:50 PM EST
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The Swift Boat creeps scored a home run by spending almost nothing. The key is being able to go for the throat and make the kill. Repugs manage to do it, dems walk away from it. Hopefully the Davids who are hard core Chicago street fighters will beat the repugs at their own game.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 08:22:43 PM EST
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Re: Polarity and Moving Forward (2.00 / 1)

Falshood, thank you for writing this. You have stated THE point, that so many people are missing, in an elequent and beautiful manner. Thank you again. I hope that this diary helps people think about their part, in the degeneration of the dialogue.

For those of you who still don't get it, could someone please write a diary that diagrams trollish posts? A person could analyse posts that are really offensive, as compared to posts that are rude and annoying, but are still trying to participate. Whomever takes this on needs to be smart enough to tell the difference. Pardon me if this has already been done, and if it has, I would love to see a link.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:52:40 PM EST

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I would do it myself, but I do not have time, and I still want to write a killer diary on Iran (no pun intended).


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:54:31 PM EST
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Re: Polarity and Moving Forward (none / 0)

I'm not sure how useful that diary would be. The distinction is rooted in nuance, and no amount of explicit description will keep people (including me) from being distracted by the occasional troll.

I think the best thing that we can all do is a rule from Wikipedia: Assume Good Faith.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:20:00 PM EST
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I am glad you made it to the rec list.... (none / 0)

I am not an Obama supporter, but it appears that lately, his supporters are doing all they can to prevent him from winning.

Thanks for providing a sanity check !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 05:07:14 PM EST

Re: I am glad you made it to the rec list.... (none / 0)

Remember that those who take the time to post and take various actions are often those with the most motivation - and it logically follows that they will differ the most with current policy.

If you have a local group of supporters that you can find with my.barackobama.com, try visiting a meeting. We register voters every week at the center of town.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:22:23 PM EST
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Re: I am glad you made it to the rec list.... (none / 0)

Oh, I am not a supporter... and I have never been to my.barackobama.com !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:40:00 PM EST
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Obama's experience as a Chicago machine Dem (1.50 / 2)

means he came from an environment where most elections were determined in the primary, not the general.  Like most Dems accustomed to running in Dem dominated areas, Obama was schooled in employing his sharpest, hardest campaigning against fellow Dems.  

Unfortunately, this also requires using tactics that divide factions of the Democratic party against each other - its the only way most know to win a competitive Dem primary.  

To heal the party after deliberately dividing it during a primary is a challenging task. Obama's only response so far is to blame the mess on others.  Clinton and her supporters have done their part, but Obama, his surrogates and his netroots community continue to feed those divisions instead of repairing them.

That's their choice. They seem to feel that keeping the party divided will help them win and they're entitled to let it play out. Let's hope they're right.


by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 05:42:14 PM EST

Yeah candidates from heavy Dem areas (none / 0)

are super divisive.  Senators from New York, for instance.  I know that the day when Buffenbarger called half the party birkenstock-wearing latte-sippers was a day I was proud to be a Dem.  And it only got better when Bill said I didn't need a President.


by JJE on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 06:24:46 PM EST
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Re: Yeah candidates from heavy Dem areas (none / 0)

That's not a very helpful comment. I think the original commenter is correct, to a degree; Obama is from a heavily Dem area, and (let's face it), Alan Keyes was hardly the worst GE opponent.

That said, people on both sides could be expected to feel divisive. For my part, I disagree with the original commenter, but my candidate won, so its my responsibility to work in bringing people together.

One thing that I've never liked is how people equated Obama with the Netroots. The two are very different, and even Obama supporters don't alwasy have it right (banning Muslims from the area behind him....).

The great political trick is to define one's opponent with their worst attribute (no experience, Bush, old, Un-American). We can't define any candidate by his or her worst supporters. That won't get us anywhere.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:28:48 PM EST
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Great diary, a cogent point well-stated.

I think it's hard to overstate how much damage the Triumvirate of Evil (Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh) have done to political discourse in this country. We on the left risk the fate of the all rebels who, in overcoming oppression, become as brutal as those we strive against.


by Neef on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 05:42:51 PM EST

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I worry a little that Olbermann has gotten to that point, a bit. His "worst person" labeling of Couric was more than a little harsh.

I'd agree that damage was done, but it can be undone. The great problem with lies is that they can't hold back the truth forever.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:30:32 PM EST
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I wish that you were right. (none / 0)

I don't really think the "republican brand" is dead. These people aren't going away and they will fight any progressive movement since they have a lot to lose. They are not going to roll over if Obama should happen to get elected...which is far from a done deal...they are going to block every vote and have already intimidated the Obama campaign into "moderating" itself.

As for Code Pink, I think they serve a valuable purpose in delivering media and message. They certainly were the vanguard at opposing the war in visible ways.

As John Edwards said " You can't nice these people to death."


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 05:54:17 PM EST

Re: I wish that you were right. (none / 0)

The "Republican Brand" refers to the voters, not the representatives. The way to get them to roll over is with a landslide - that's what we all should work for.

It's true - you can't nice the Washington hard right to death, but you can nice a lot of votes away from them.


by Falsehood on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 07:32:54 PM EST
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Re: I wish that you were right. (none / 0)

I'm working for it...it's just that numbers for Obama are not as promising as they are for a generic dem in the race...hence Obama's moves for the middle. I just hope we don't wind up with a rebranded DLC president.


Cindy is John McCain's Personal GI Bill
by demwords on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 08:19:12 PM EST
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