MyDD :: She will not be the nominee.

She will not be the nominee.

by ChitownDenny, Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:02:14 PM EST

There is no conceivable outcome in which Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee for President. The convention in Denver will formally confirm that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President. Any other outcome would be disruptive (disastrous) to the Democratic Party.

As we witness the disruption to party unity since the recently concluded primary, imagine what would occur to the party if Barack were not to receive the official designation of nominee. There would be significant numbers of Democrats who would protest this outcome. But, you say, there currently is significant numbers of Democrats who are protesting the outcome. What's the difference?

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Yes, some of Hillary's supporters are protesting the current outcome of the primary. And they represent a significant portion of the Democratic party. But their numbers are not sizable enough to ensure a Hillary victory in November should any conceivable maneuvering in Denver result in a Hillary nomination. No disruption of the convention will change what is already clear. On the other hand, many of Hillary's former supporters who now support Barack, many of Barack's supporters, and frankly, most of the voting public, would protest any maneuvering that would disrupt the convention in an effort to deny Barack the official confirmation as nominee. They would perceive a house that is in disarray. They would hold the party in disdain. They would lose confidence in the ability of the Democratic Party to lead the country. If the Democrats can't run a convention, how can they run the country? The damage done to the party would be pervasive and long lasting. Such a disruption could threaten down ticket races.

I caution disgruntled Hillary supporters to think logically on this matter. I ask disgruntled Hillary supporters to ask themselves; "what would Hillary do?" Do any think Hillary would be supportive of any outcome that doesn't result in Barack's confirmation as nominee? If you're a disgruntled Hillary supporter, you have two choices:

vote for Barack for President
don't vote for Barack for President

However, you do not have a choice about the nominee. Barack will be the nominee. She will not be the nominee.

Tags: Hillary, Clinton, PUMAs (all tags)

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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 1)

Barack will be the nominee. But he still has to earn my vote.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:02:53 PM EST

Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Which means he has to move as far right as Clinton?

by Drummond on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:06:49 PM EST
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"Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

as Clinton?"
You evidently missed the new meme - - he went further, and it's GOOD !!!
LOL

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:14:56 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 2)

It seems that much of the "positioning" is either a media flap or laziness on the part of some to look up his prior positions.

The only one that strikes me as otherwise is FISA.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:35:26 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

He's been pandering and he's been called on it.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:43:17 PM EST
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So can we stop giving Hillary (2.00 / 2)

crap for being a triangulator, since it seems even the new bold and hopeful eventually rush to the center, too?

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:47:36 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

You can find evidence of his positions ("pandering") from well before now. Just because we aren't willing to look, doesn't mean it isn't there.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:57:35 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (none / 0)

Never really paid attention before. I am now.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:01:57 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

To be clear, what I heard was: "yeah, what Hillary said, that's basically my position, too."

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:03:55 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

Well do us a favor, if you don't mind, read his second book (since that is the one with many of his belief's). You'll see many of these issues the media is palying up as flip flops are actually just nuanced postions he's held for years. Unfortunately the media is so busy trying to hide it's inability to understand and relate to and it's stupidity when it comes to anything that can't be leveled to a one phrase sound bite, they don't take the time to explain anything more. I mourn for the worthless TP they are given out for 100K a year at our journalism school.

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:06:46 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

PS: He did completely pander on FISA, I'll give you that

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:08:07 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (none / 0)

No argument from me re: our crap MSM.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:10:42 PM EST
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Re: "Which means he has to move as far right (2.00 / 1)

Well, regarding Iraq, he said during the primaries that his 16 month timetable would be informed by the conditions on the ground and by his meetings with the JCoS.

Regarding the death penalty, I'm pretty sure his current stance (with which I disagree, by the way) is the same as mentioned in one of his books.

Anyway...it's out there, with the exception of FISA. I don't necessarily agree with all of those positions, but the alleged disconnect between what he's saying now and what he was saying before isn't so large as some might think. If anything, I'd argue that these issues are coming up now because abortion, the death penalty, guns, etc. tend to be general election issues, moreso than primary issues. Or, at least, they were this year, where the primary focused on the war, national security, and economics (and economic related issues, like healthcare).

Also, I think there is some reasonable amount of change that we can expect over the course of someone's political career. For example, my understanding is that his position on handguns used to be very liberal. Of course, when you're representing a district on the south side of Chicago, rather than all of the United States, I think it's fair to have different expectations. What might be best for the South side, regarding guns, isn't necessarily what should be done by a President/Congress for ALL Americans.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:16:38 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Move as far right as Clinton? Where or where have you been my friend. If you'd take the time to do some homework, it would become clear to you that Hillary is far left and far more liberal than Obama. You bought the media and RWC meme whole-heartedly, didn't you? Too bad for you, as now we're stuck with someone that sells out to anyone at any time.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:46:14 AM EST
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what would he need to do (none / 0)

to earn your vote?

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:07:35 PM EST
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Re: what would he need to do (2.00 / 1)

Sex change operation and a pantsuit?

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:43:21 PM EST
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Re: what would he need to do (none / 0)

Dude, there's no need for that. Bad form and insulting to the numerous Clinton supporters who have thrown their weight behind Obama.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:04:09 PM EST
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Re: what would he need to do (none / 0)

There is no way. Here's what we think. Uppity speaks for me.
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/ 07/05/the-number-is-growing-do-not-want- barack-obama/

by Marjoriest on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:37:56 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

They could also vote for Nader or McKinney.

by Drummond on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:06:17 PM EST

Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Well, yeah; write her name in,.... (stickler :) )

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:08:54 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 1)

Hmmmm...... I HATE to say this, but I would rather Dems write in their vote for Hillary, which is technically voter error (ie the voter doesn't understand the primary and GE processess)

than throw their vote away on two political rejects.

I have more respect for someone who would vote for Bob Barr than Nader or McKinney.

Barr is a nasty guy I have no time for, but he earned his spot.

We need to seperate the Green party from the liberal movement. I don't see where our politics intercede as I never seen the "Green" party EVER engage in serious politics.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:38:32 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Wow,

HRC didnt get the nomination.

Stop the presses. Come this is done. We know BO is the candidate.

david

by giusd on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:11:08 PM EST

Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Gee, David. Perhaps you're just more astute than I.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:16:09 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Sorry dude i didnt mean it quite that way. I am just tried of the fight. BO candidate HRC not. I would perfer HRC but that is that and it will be BO in the fall. I think most HRC supporters will vote BO in the fall even if they so otherwise now.

david

by giusd on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:04:06 PM EST
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Thought we were done with these diaries. (none / 0)

sigh

M. It's like W, but flipflopped.

by warmwaterpenguin on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:16:48 PM EST

Re: Thought we were done with these diaries. (2.00 / 1)

You may not have been on this site over the past few days.

Purity! Or else!

by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:18:30 PM EST
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Re: Thought we were done with these diaries. (2.00 / 3)

This needed to be said.

I couldn't have thought of a better person to write this diary.

PUMA people might go after you now though. Be wary of the ratings abuse.

Mojo'd and rec'd.

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Thought we were done with these diaries. (2.00 / 1)

What Spaceman, like they went after Canadian Girl as a non Clinton supporter on Saturday?

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:44:43 PM EST
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Re: Thought we were done with these diaries. (none / 0)

Yup. Like they went after sricki and called her a faux Hillary supporter as well.

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:48:18 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 2)

Let him be the nominee. However, he will not have my vote. I'll work for down-ticket Dems, since Obama has thrown them under the bus by taking over the DNC and allocating most of its resources to HIS election. He's also discouraging support of other great 527s like VoteVets etc. I can't go along with this shit. It's so un-Democratic. Let him do this crap on his own. I want no part of it.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:28:18 PM EST

Well good for you. (2.00 / 2)

Stay home, do whatever, but no one is going to kiss your (or anyone else's) ass for your vote.

I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm sick of being 'nice', and giving people 'time'. If you're so upset about the impurity and imperfection of the political process, then run for office yourself.
The rest of us are busy trying to win a massively important election, and don't have time to swab scraped egos, or cater to temper tantrums.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 03:03:04 PM EST
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Re: Well good for you. (none / 0)

Kiss my ass regardless. I couldn't care less if you do it or you don't. My vote is MY vote. If I'm not happy with any candidate, including McCain, I have the perfect right to abstain from voting. It's not YOUR vote. It's mine, and I choose to use it in my own best interests, even if that means it may be in the long run. Obama does not represent my wishes, vision, or future. I do NOT have to vote for him, even though you want me to. He's NOT my candidate, period. And neither is McCain. I'm sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Done it for decades so far, and now I've had enough. Can you understand that, or do you have to wait for another 20 years to realize that your vote for the lesser of two evils only gets us a more and more washed down version of Democracy, in incremental steps? I've watched those steps, and I won't participate in any more of them. GOT THAT? It's not about Hillary. It's about the incremental dismantling of our Constitution over hte last two decades (at least). I will no longer be a participant in it. I've done that too many times in the past. Perhaps you're a youngster. Good luck to you.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:41:35 AM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 1)

But you've always been anti-Obama. So you can't be serious now if you list things that he's done since becoming the nomination. Why not just be honest about why you're anti-Obama; you're certainly not being honest here.

Anyway he doesn't have the power to effect anything that votevets does. Which is why it's a 527.

by MeganLocke on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:16:50 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 4)

Really , the conversation is about how he became the nominee, not that he is the nominee. Those things can intertwine, but I doubt that very many are thinking there is still a chance that Hillary will be the nominee. The whole problem is how the process was treated by the DNC, the media, and the "notable" democrats within the party, like Pelosi for instance. There is a good probability in the minds of very many that the system was manipulated whether intentionally or unintentionally for Obama to be the nominee, and that is only the beginning.

by Scotch on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 06:10:36 PM EST

Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

Check out Alegre's corner and The Confluence - the two biggest refusenik sites. There's a majority that think that they can maneuver it so that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee.

I'm not talking about one or two or three or a dozen or a hundred people - I'm talking about the rec list being dominated by "why Hillary needs to be the nominee" type posts.

by MeganLocke on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:19:03 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 1)

I have checked out Alegre's Corner, and the Confluence somewhat. I don't see a lot of plotting and planning about how to get her into the nomination. I see, however,a lot of anger at the system and resolve to not let the Democratic party go on unreformed from what it is now and instruct them in who to vote for. Part of that resolve to reform is to let the DNC know that they will no longer vote for someone just because they have a D by their names. They won't be puppets for a corrupt and wrongful organization.

I think a lot of these people are people who are lifelong Democrats who feel betrayed by the party, and like all of us, haven't witnessed an entire campaign play out in front of us in a very long time. In my opinion, a lot of things have been exposed about the process which is not pretty, and not appropriate to say the least. In fact some of the goings on in the DNC have looked downright contrived.

I also see a lot of discussion of why Hillary is better and would be better for the country than Obama, but I don't see an indication that they really think that is what is going to happen.

by Scotch on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:54:21 PM EST
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It's clear, Obama wants righties and indies votes more than lifelong Democrats.

The problem is so many are in love with the Obama personna they would vote for him no matter what party he represents or what his stance on the issues. It just happens that he landed on the Democratic party.

Go ahead and do it without about 4 million of us.

by wblynch on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 08:14:39 PM EST

Re: She will not be the nominee. (none / 0)

And some people hate him so much that they'll invent entire scenarios and positions to justify their hate.

He's a Democrat. He votes with democrats. He's always been a Democrat. And McCain is not some lefty maverick either.

by MeganLocke on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:20:23 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (1.00 / 3)

And Obama will not get any indies or repubs once the 527s fall on him. He has all these skeletons in the closet that are going to come out with a vengence. Rove must be a happy camper. So..... no indies, no repubs, no PUMAs, no bitter people, no seniors - shall I go on?
One more thing, I hear that a lot of his money has dried up. The GOP made him very wealthy in the primaries, but now the bucks go to McCain. The GOP has fooled all of you. There is no way they were going to lose power - anyone with an ounce of sense should know that. They deliberately screwed Hillary because they knew she could win. Obama is a weak candidate - and he doesn't stand a chance. You may not believe it now - but you will.

by Marjoriest on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:54:02 PM EST
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Re: She will not be the nominee. (2.00 / 1)

I also hear he's the anti-Christ.

Thank you for your public service announcement, we'll send you a cheesecake to eat with your boyfriend John McCain.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:57:41 AM EST
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