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Silence from the Obama campaign

by highgrade, Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:18:37 AM EST

Where are they? I'm already hearing and seeing GOP ads on energy prices; McStain is out there talking about his "new" economic plan; if you watch the news shows for a longer than 10 minute stretch it's a good bet you'll see Carly Fiorina SOMEWHERE. Even though his ideas are trash, it really seems like McCain is "driving" the agenda. All I'm hearing from the Obama campaign is talk about moving the acceptance speech to Invesco field.

Right now the media is continually beating on this idea that Obama is flip flopping on issues. If he isn't out there attacking this through ads etc, then this brand will stick for the duration of the campaign. They have the money to flood the airwaves for the next 4 months - they better start spending it.

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had this conversation this morning (2.00 / 1)

mcsame flip flops on everything within months and yet the media is discussing obama as the flip flopper..

where are his people talking to and about the media conspiracy

McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions

by TarHeel on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:22:38 AM EST

Re: had this conversation this morning (2.00 / 1)

BTW, the 'media' are not the only ones accusing Obama of flip-flopping. The netroots is doing their duty (their words) to make sure the candidate doesn't wiggle away from positions he now claims never to have taken.

If there is a conspiracy here, or if there are false accusations, then I suggest the problems are more broadly based.

by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:31:28 AM EST
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the netroots is doing what it always does (2.00 / 2)

flipping out and acting like naive idiots. No wonder the Republicans beat us.

by JJE on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:05:26 AM EST
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Re: the netroots is doing what it always does (2.00 / 1)

They were naive idiots to support this guy in the first place. They naively hoped the change to believe in was meant for them.

by moevaughn on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:08:33 PM EST
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yep (none / 0)

two centrist self-interested politicians. neither one really worth believing in. just better than the republicans.

by JJE on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:38:39 PM EST
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Obama causing some of this himself (none / 0)

Its been rather disappointing to see someone touted as a "new" kind of Dem who resorts to the same old failed tactics of previous Dem presidential losers.

Obama would do well to study some of the more recent successful Dem races. If he did, he would notice those candidates staked out strong, progressive positions on key issues (jobs, health care, etc.) then stuck with them throughout their campaigns.

Suggest he take a look at Sen. Sherrod Brown's 2006 campaign when he beat incumbent Mike DeWine in GOP leaning Ohio.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 12:08:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama / Ohio / National strategy (none / 0)

Obama is running for president of Ohio, to be sure. But not just Ohio. Also, not just Democrats - he already won that part. People who advocate that Obama run farther Left at this point instead of sticking to his proven winning strategy should let the obvious proven professionals determine the way forward. No disrespect intended.

by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 12:47:50 PM EST
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Ohio is representative (none / 0)

of most vulnerable GOP districts. Voters are hurting, they're tired of failed GOP solutions. They want political representatives who take a principled stand on issues important to them - primarily pocketbook issues - and stick to them.

Its not rocket science, its breathtakingly simple. And since all states in the US are facing economic problems and all voters are concerned about pocketbook issues, it applies everywhere.

Candidates who advocate for jobs, affordable health care and education for all and sensible energy policies are centrist, not leftist.

Don't let the GOP and news media define what is important to Americans.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:47:00 PM EST
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Re: Ohio is representative (1.00 / 1)

I hate Ohio almost as much as Florida for the way it's elections are routinely shown to be corrupt and have large parts of their populations who are single issue simpletons. So I guess Ohio is the perfect State to use for representing every other state which may be in play.
The retard/corruption factor accounts for why winning has less to do with policy stances than it does with smart campaigning.

It helps also to not have too many people in your own party going on FOX to trash your candidate.

by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:23:33 PM EST
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SOS Jennifer Brunner (D) (none / 0)

has cleaned up Ohio's electoral process. She's done an exceptional job of eliminating touchscreen voting in as many Ohio counties as possible as well as requiring paper ballots in all of them.

Democrats are proud of what she's accomplished in Ohio. If you're a Democrat you should be encouraged by Ohio's election system.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:53:33 PM EST
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Re: SOS Jennifer Brunner (D) (none / 0)

This discussion ended with that TR.

by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:58:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama causing some of this himself (none / 0)

You mean you would rather have him campaign like McGovern or Dukkakis than like that other recent Dem candidate? What was his name again, the one that ran as a moderate? Bill something... Oh yeah, Bill Clinton. I knew I'd remember it if I tried hard enough. The other Dem that people accused of being a centrist. The one that won two elections. That one.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 12:53:29 PM EST
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Campaign like a candidate who relates to voters (none / 0)

and to their concerns on the key issues.

Develop good, comprehensive policy positions and stick with them instead of getting distracted by wedge issues. Refuse to let detractors label the issues. If they support long term solutions to everyday problems voters face, they'll win. Its really not hard and its certainly mainstream.

McGovern's campaign happened so long ago, its irrelevant to this race. Dukakis' race was run by many of the same people working for Obama and the DNC, so you may want to reconsider.

You'll need to do a lot more to convince us how speaking out on important issues and sticking with that dialogue with voters will fail. Need some evidence.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:53:20 PM EST
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Re: Campaign like a candidate who relates to voter (none / 0)

I gave you an example of where running to the center can win elections. Do you remember the man from Hope?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 02:56:35 PM EST
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I worked on Clinton's 92 and 96 campaigns (none / 0)

and in 92, he spoke a great deal about pocketbook issues.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 03:02:24 PM EST
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Re: I worked on Clinton's 92 and 96 campaigns (2.00 / 1)

He also spoke about faith and welfare reform. Not exactly left-wing positions.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 03:13:21 PM EST
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Re: I worked on Clinton's 92 and 96 campaigns (none / 0)

And there's the difference. His campaign focused on mainstream, pocketbook issues primarily jobs, Social Security, education, health care and cutting the deficit.

Clinton's plank on welfare reform wasn't centrist, it was focused on re-inventing solutions to poverty including education and jobs and making the workplace friendlier to working families.

Not exactly centrist or pro-business. They look like standard fare now, but that's because those new solutions became institutionalized during Clinton/Gore. Bottom line they worked both as good, innovative public policy and as a campaign platform.

by Betsy McCall on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 05:09:18 PM EST
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Re: I worked on Clinton's 92 and 96 campaigns (none / 0)

His campaign focused on mainstream, pocketbook issues primarily jobs, Social Security, education, health care and cutting the deficit

This is exactly what the Obama campaign will be focusing on in the months ahead, plus the war, which is something Bill C. didn't have to deal with.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 06:03:26 PM EST
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exactly (2.00 / 1)

It was very effective for Hillary if I remember correctly. The funny thing is that the media KNOWS that its treatment of McStain is negligent, but since no one really calls them out on it there is no impetus to change.

by highgrade on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:32:27 AM EST
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Oh no! Silence in July? (2.00 / 3)

Quite frankly I'd be more worried about silence in September, which is what we had from John Kerry. Obama is using this time before the convention to get all the needed preparation underway; let McCain make all the unforced errors this early while Obama consolidates his base scores in the (many) battleground states.

After the convention there won't be a day where we don't hear something good from Obama's campaign.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:38:28 AM EST

Re: Silence from the Obama campaign (2.00 / 1)

OBama's running ads where I live.

They're good ads, too. A very well tailored message for Indiana. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p47xSvTzR v0

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:47:37 AM EST

Re: Silence from the Obama campaign (2.00 / 1)

AAAAHHHHHHHH

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

runs screaming and flapping arms

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:00:21 PM EST

Re: Silence from the Obama campaign (none / 0)

I'm a little concerned too. One great thing about his campaign so far has been his rapid-fire responses. Now he's doing exactly what all other democrats have done in the past (Clinton excluded), which is to play timid in the face of a blizzard of garbage.

by Drummond on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 01:49:37 PM EST

Re: Silence from the Obama campaign (none / 0)

Every time he opens his mouth, a storm erupts from the Right and Left about his imaginary case of flipperty flopperty flu. I suggest his wise doctor told him to take two STFU pills and call in a couple of weeks.

by QTG on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 04:28:30 PM EST

Re: Silence from the Obama campaign (none / 0)

When does the CHANGE start???

.....

.....I'm waiting....

by wblynch on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 06:34:46 PM EST

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