What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to "he leaked his private prayer"

After watching Obama navigate his way overseas this week, I joined MyDD.  Let me preface this diary by saying, I am a Republican.  I registered Republican after highschool (over 20 years ago) and have voted for candidates that connected with me regardless of party affiliation.

...I had to stop for a minute and muse over my childish affection for Ross Perot. Oh. did I love those CHARTS!!!!

My parents, liberal democrats were mortified by some of my political leanings, but fortunately raised their children to express themselves. Their union produced, 1 liberal republican (me), 1 conservative democrat (baby sis), and 1 conservative republican (baby bro).  

At this year's 4th of July picnic, we all wore Obama tshirts in support of the presumptive nominee.

As we ate our barbecued salmon and asparagus (yes we live in New York and my parents are old school, vegetarian, latte sipping liberals from the sixties), my younger brother piped up with the thought that he wished Obama was a Republican, because then he would feel confortable doing more than voting and donating in secret.

My father's wise response (paraphrased by his eldest child):

Even if Obama was a Rethuglican, I would vote and campaign for him. A vote for him transcends party affiliations. You shouldn't feel like you can't support him wholeheartedly.  This country needs to aspire to excellence and stop cheering on mediocrity.

And so I write this diary, after lurking in the background for months.

I am a republican. I support Barack Obama wholeheartedly.  I would love to debate policy and his vision for our country.

If you can't connect to Obama, I understand that...hey I didn't expect everybody to get Ross Perot.  If you want to choose someone else, then fine, that why we vote by secret ballot.  

But I wonder if the democrats clamoring for him to do more, prove more, apologize, put Hillary on the ticket, speak less eloquently, be less arrogant (uppity is what I hear), drink more beers, eat more apple pie, wear a flag pin, and just stop being so flawlessly presidential would expect this much from their first choice.

I didn't, I listened and I made a choice from the options available.

It's a shame that some democrats on this site are so resistant to him and use McCain talking points to voice their concerns.

There are other sites that are set up to bash Obama. Redstate, Townhall, NoQuarter, just to name a few.  If you feel like bashing him about his name, birthplace, Chicago, former preacher, Michelle's thesis, or the way he looks there are welcoming audiences there.

It's time for reasonable people on both sides to demand reasonable discussion of policy in order to heal the divide.

I welcome any comments and criticism as this is my first diary.

Update [2008-7-28 2:37:28 by epiphany]: I appreciate the kindness afforded me by those who found this diary worthy of further discussion. For those who have expressed concern over my decision to write a diary on this blog, inclusiveness and diversity of ideas often raises the level of discussion. The challenge would not be to rebuff those who you think are different but rather to expose the existing shared commonalities and build upon them. In the mean time, I will return to enjoying the diverse opinions I find here. I promise to only comment when appropriate and reserve any diary attempts to when I believe others might find my musings interesting and worth the read.

Oh and just so I can tell my Dad.....


Poll
Would you vote for Obama if he was a Republican?
Yes, I am voting for Obama not his party!
No, I only vote for Democrats!
No. I will never vote for Obama!
Yes. because I hate Democratic party unity!

Votes: 43
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:02:53 PM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (2.00 / 3)

It is my honor to be the first comment on your first diary.

Highly Recommended.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:06:10 PM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (2.00 / 2)

Thanks, I feel like I just came out of the closet.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:14:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what is a liberal republican today? (none / 0)

I'm trying to think of a liberal republican, and the only one I can think of is Lincoln Chaffee, who is actively supporting Obama.

My feeling about Lincoln Chaffee is that he showed a lack of integrity for many years, voting for things he personally didn't believe in.  The same is true for many so called liberal republicans, who simply went along with Bush/Cheney on everything.  I have no respect for them.

Vermont had a liberal republican Senator Jeffords who became independent in 2000, and saved our country for a brief time by keeping the Senate in Dem control.  If only Chaffee and other truly liberal republicans had followed his lead.  I know Chaffee regrets it now, but it's too late for him - he lost his RI seat.

What about Susan Collins?  Olympia Snowe?  Gordon Smith?  Arlen Specter?  These and 1 or 2 others, Chuck Hegel (not really liberal) have shown some glimmers of independent thinking, but they were completely Bush supporters through our darkest days.  They would have allowed our democracy to slip into oblivion.

I don't have any respect for anyone who calls himself or herself a republican today, not now, not after what the republicans just put our nation through for the past 30 years.  How anyone can call themselves a liberal republican today is completely beyond me, unless they are trying to rebuild a liberal republican movement - and if so, I'd say good luck!!!

you're better off going indy, my friend...the repugs are a lost cause...unless you're into corruption or extreme right wing ideology or evangelical religion.


by enthusiast on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:53:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what is a liberal republican today? (2.00 / 3)

I think we get very caught up in labels.  Sadly, I didn't mean to expose myself to your rancor nor was I attempting to earn your respect.  I never voted for Bush or Cheney.  I only came here to express my views as a person who is actively supporting Barack Obama.  As a private citizen, I don't have to change my party affiliation to vote for the best candidate.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:15:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have given up labels (2.00 / 2)

and am a registered Indy.  My move away from my roots was earlier - I had grown fed-up with what the Democrats had become.  But today I think that - in part due to Sen. Obama but moreso as a matter of maturing past a phase - the Democratic party is becoming something I want to be part of.  I often caution my Dem peers here and elsewhere not to let the coming wave of success go to their heads, most of us are not voting for Socialism.

I think the Republican party has an opportunity to not suck so much in coming years.  Their model that has grown up post-Reagan (or "devolved" may be a better word) is in the process of being completely devalued, and there will be years of introspection ahead for them to re-assess their world view.  It would be a good idea for the GOP to aim to become the kind of party that Old Abe would not leave in disgust.  If that happens sometime in the future I might consider voting GOP again, but until then (or until the Democrats lose their minds, again) I'm done with them.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:36:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

IF all that changed was the D to an R (2.00 / 2)

and his policy papers were all the same I'd vote for Obama without a second thought.   It's the issues that matter to me, the party just happens to generally be on the right side on them.  

It might matter the Democrat he was running against however.  Against Clinton?  I'd vote Clinton.  If she were the Republican?  I'd vote Obama.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:09:21 PM EST

Nice diary. (2.00 / 3)

Welcome aboard.  Don't be a stranger.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:09:43 PM EST

Highly rec'd, and BTW... (2.00 / 4)

...Ma'ariv, the Israeli newspaper that "leaked" Obama's Wailing Wall note, has been in on-again/off-again buyout talks with none other than Las Vegas casino tycoon, Sheldon Adelson.  Adelson is also the owner and publisher of Israel Today, a new Israeli daily which serves as the mouthpiece for Benjamin Netanyahu's extremely hawkish Likud Party there.

Adelson is the primary financial backer of the dirty-tricks/slimeball advertising, 501(c)4 Freedom's Watch. Adelson has Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer on very hefty, six-figure consulting gigs as I write this. So far, Freedom's Watch has spent roughly $25 million, of what's anticipated to be a total of $200- to $250-million, in media and support for the Rethug's this cycle.

So, it's no surprise what's going on here. And, lo and behold, sure looks like the negative intent of invading Obama's privacy and publishing of his Wailing Wall note backfired, gaining empathy for his candidacy, worldwide.


by bobswern on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:24:13 PM EST

Re: Highly rec'd, and BTW... (2.00 / 3)

thanks for the info...Rovian tactics keep missing their mark.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's kind of a dumb question (2.00 / 1)

Especially since the Republican brand is so tarnished.

I just can't even envision Obama as a Republican at all. Especially on domestic issues.

If he were a Republican he would be kicked out of the GOP.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:45:52 PM EST

Unlikely, but not impossible. (none / 0)

Think Feingold or Chafee. If either of them had Obama's oratory skills and could inspire their base as he has, they'd be viable candidates.

Where you have a point is that he'd probably not have made it far into the nomination process, given the cabal running the GOP these days.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:42:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Probably. (2.00 / 3)

Prior to this election, I considered myself an independent, and was open to hearing what the Republican candidates would have to say.  Would Giuliani maintain his stance as a social moderate, or pander to the base?  Would we get the same McCain who made waves in 2000, or Dubya Part II?  I was intrigued to hear a social conservative, Huckabee, talking about the moral obligations of environmentalism, even while being appalled at many of his other stances.

In other words, for me it's a very gray world...not black and white, or blue and red.  I sort of am and am not a war voter.  To clarify, I don't consider Obama's opposition to the war from the beginning to be the reason I'm voting for him, but I did use general opposition to the war like a filter.  Those who wanted us out of the war met that first primary qualification I had for choosing "my" candidate.  And, as the Republicans disappointed me greatly in this, I went from watching all the debates to watching only the Democrats.  Necessary, but not sufficient.  Getting out of the war is something we can fully expect from a Democratic President.  It's a CiC action, not legislation or anything that could be blocked by Congress.

So, anyway, I guess my point is that I came to support Obama's candidacy on issues.  If he were Republican, and had the same positions, I would imagine I would have been similarly attracted to his candidacy.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:00:41 PM EST

Re: What if Obama (2.00 / 2)

If someone like Barack Obama ran as a Republican, yes, I would strongly consider voting for him.  It would depend on a thousand other factors, not least of which would be whom the Democrats chose to run, but yeah, I'd consider it.

He's a once in a generation kind of leader.  That's not enough, in and of itself, but it does open the door.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:08:27 PM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (2.00 / 5)

I'm afraid I couldn't vote for Obama in this cycle if he was a Republican. The Republican politicians, as differentiated from their voters, have sold out all of the best parts of their platform and embraced the worst. I'd vote against George Washington if he ran as a Republican this year.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:13:10 PM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (2.00 / 1)

i like your response


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:27:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (2.00 / 1)

Exactly.

I couldn't vote for a Republican.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:31:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sometimes I worry Obama is a closet Republican (none / 0)

, like Bill Clinton, not a dyed in the wool Dem, but someone who wants to pursue the drug war, make kids wear school uniforms, cut assistance to people in need, reduce sensible regulations on corporate greed.

If he turns out that way, I'll support someone else in 2012.


by enthusiast on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:56:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Correct (2.00 / 7)

People forget that we're voting for more than an individual. We're basically electing hundreds, even thousands of individuals who'll be put into positions to administer our government. I want them to be Democrats.

At this point, republicans have proven themselves to be at best incompetent and at worst willfully negligent in carrying out basic functions of responsible, effective government. I'm voting to have federal bureaus and departments staffed by Democrats who actually believe in the role of government instead of those who regularly disparage it.


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:10:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What if Obama was a Republican? (2.00 / 2)

If Obama was a Republican, would he be supporting withdrawl from Iraq? Doubtful.
Universal health care? Never.
A continuation of the ban on offshore drilling? Probably not.
More money for reduction of greenhouse gases, and development of alternative fuel sources? Again, doubtful.
Would Obama, as a black candidate, be running for president as a Republican? Nah.
In short, the things that make Obama who he is- the issues he supports, the willingness to negotiate with hostile foreign leaders, the open attitude towards change, are what make him a Democrat.
That's why I'm voting for him.
by skohayes on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:15:34 PM EST

That's the point, eh? (2.00 / 3)

The Lincoln thing is in my head from my first comment in this diary, and it seems to answer a lot of questions along the diary's highly valuable thread.

Would Lincoln be a Republican in 2008?  Could you imagine what he would say at the GOP convention if he were to rise from the grave?!?"

There is a difference between the true "far right" and "far left", between Communism and Anarchy, but really Americans don't occupy in any numbers either of those posts.  We are almost all centrists with what we think of as our extremes being relatively minor variances away from it.

The problems of the GOP are not imho real problems of the ideology of those Americans who would argue the points of the American Right, they are artifacts of what the Republican party has allowed itself to become to stay in power.  Much of what is recognized as "Republican" is actually counter to the core of rightward views (pro-[one]religion, anti-independence, pro-intrusive-government - good grief!).

The GOP is a doppleganger that has been inserted into the place of a real person.  It brings to mind the "Who are you, and what have you done with my son?" moment every parent recognizes.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:48:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, if the GOP were a party he would belong to (2.00 / 3)

As others have said, it would be hard to picture him in the current GOP, but "yes" is the easiest answer.  Sen. Obama is imo singularly the best candidate either party has run in my life.

But my answer implies that not only would Obama's party affiliation have to had changed, but the GOP would have to had changed, and that's the harder thing to imagine.  If the GOP were the kind of party that could have Obama as it's nominee, it wouldn't be the GOP we know today.

Actual Republican values aren't bad things, the Republican party as enacted by its current batch of politicians is a bad thing.  "Compassionate Conservatives" as Ayn Rand would understand the phrase are wonderful, as the GOP has used the term it is pure bunkum.  Being independent and responsible enough to own your successes and failures, to realize that your quality of life is dependent on the quality of life of those around you, to independently choose to reach out and help others without condescending to them - these are the "conservative" ideals that I think very highly of (Rand wrote a single essay - the closest she ever came to answering her critics - that said much the same thing).

What the GOP has become is something entirely different.  I would vote for Lincoln in a heartbeat whatever party he belonged to, but the GOP of today is not the party that Lincoln belonged to.  If Lincoln were running for president in 2008, he would be a Democrat.

Great diary, recced!

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:25:22 PM EST

Tipped and Rec'd (none / 0)

Well said.  Well said indeed.


by UrbanRedneck on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 07:39:35 PM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican? (none / 0)

Why is your brother, a "conservative Republican", supporting Obama? I can understand a "liberal Republican" supporting a conservative Democrat like Obama, but Obama is still a Democrat. Much of what he plans to do is an anathema to conservative Republicans of all stripes (paleocon, neocon, theocon, etc.). I hope he hasn't fallen for the rhetoric and symbolism, like some liberals did in the primaries.


by souvarine on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:38:39 PM EST

Look! a genuine concern. (none / 0)

.. that McCain is bleeding support. Be very afraid!


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 11:06:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What if Obama was a Republican? (none / 0)

He thinks McCain is an ass.
My brother enlisted after 911 and spent 4 years overseas (we live in Manhattan).  I think he is voting against what he considers an Iraqi occupation. He might not self identify as a conservative republican but he is to the right of me on most social issues.
But his choice doesn't surprise me...
He is a 29 year old black guy with a college degree earned on a basketball scholarship.
Who is he going to vote for? Barr?

"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 11:17:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not wanting to police the world (2.00 / 1)

..is actually a conservative republican position. Just not a neocon one.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 11:20:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What if Obama was a Republican? (none / 0)

Obama is to the right of me on most social issues, it would make a lot of sense for a socially conservative African American to support Obama. On the military your brother will probably like what Obama does, he does not appear to have any hesitation to use military force, when it is smart to do so.

But I think you are mistaken to consider your brother a conservative Republican. Their positions are considerably further right, and Obama is nothing like them. And Democrats are not nearly as far left on many issues as people may think.


by souvarine on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 12:15:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What if Obama was a Republican? (none / 0)

I'll ask him what he thinks, you have a good point.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 12:45:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's a hypothetical question. (none / 0)

Of course it's unlikely that Obama would be the republican nominee. I think the question asks, rather, what if it were true.

What if there were enough sufficiently pragmatic GOP voters that he'd have been able to slip through with the nomination - that McCain is today the nominee makes this a distinctly non-zero possibility.

Would those of us recognize those rare, once-in-a-lifetime leadership skills and give him the benefit of the doubt? I'd like to believe that many would.

Regardless, congratulations to epiphany for making the rec list on his/her first diary!


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 11:15:53 PM EST

this diary puzzles me a little. (none / 0)

as do many of the comments here in some users i know and respect.  you are aware that you on a democratic/progressive blog  right?  what that means is that the people here believe in progressive values and agenda to governance.

as a self-described republican - that stands to say that generally you disagree with most everything the people here do. save for wanting the democratic nominee to win.  or am i missing something?

this is why people praising you for this diary seems v. odd to me. listen democrats will gladly take your vote - but please remember that obama is a democrat and believes in liberal ideology and will govern with these principles.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 01:14:04 AM EST

Re: this diary puzzles me a little. (2.00 / 1)

I understand your concern. In the real world, it is possible that we may agree on more issues than disagree.
But I digress.
I would never have posted a diary if I was not under the impression that this was a place where I could find reasonable political disourse.
"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 01:31:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually, I'm puzzled too. (none / 0)


please remember that obama is a democrat and believes in liberal ideology and will govern with these principles.

CG, the diarist is a self-described liberal republican. I'm puzzled why you'd think that someone with these values wouldn't find a greater confluence of ideas with Obama than with McCain?

There is no liberal republican candidate running for president. Even if there were, I'd think there was still good reasons not to back the GOP nominee this cycle, given the stranglehold that the neocons have over their party at the moment.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:11:07 AM EST

Re: What if Obama was a Republican?-in response to (none / 0)

once again a perfectly reasonable discussion and comment gets deleted. You even answered me epiphany but now the whole exchange is missing. Good one mydd. I guess dissent will not be tolerated.


by Bornagaindem on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 01:30:33 PM EST

I could not in good conscience (none / 0)

aid and abet the Kleptocracy controlling the Republican party.

In another time (say, Ike's), yeah, I would cheerfully have voted for him, irrespective of party.

Not now -- the republicans have ceased to govern and begun to steal our country blind.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 09:38:12 AM EST


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