Poll & VP

More on that WSJ/NBC poll posted earlier, on their VP questioning. Very interesting findings that give us an indication of what type of qualities that voters are looking for in each of the candidates VP choice.

The question:

I'm going to read you some qualities that a candidate for vice president might have. Of these qualities, which one or two do you think it is most important for Barack Obama's/John McCain's vice presidential choice to have?
And very different answers.

For Obama, 50 percent say someone who "is an expert in military or foreign affairs." This is followed by 42 percent who say someone who "is an expert on the economy." The rest of the choices don't garner much of a inclination.

For McCain, 60 percent say someone who "is an expert on the economy." This is followed by 25 percent who say "is an expert in military or foreign affairs" and 22 say someone that "has experience in the business world".

For Obama then, its all about getting someone that can be perceived as having foreign affairs experience. We can see why he wanted to vet Senator Webb. I don't believe he's going to choose Clark after that last fiasco, and Nunn would seem to bring too much center-right baggage. Who is left?  Richardson seems a longshot possibility. Reed seems to fit the bill, some think so, but some not. I don't see why Reed would be on the overseas trip with Obama if he were not under very serious consideration. I can't imagine Hagel. One things for certain, if this poll is to be taken at its face-value, talk of a VP McCaskill or Kaine or Sebelius does not fulfill the task. Clinton probably does. Reed apparently doesn't do very well on TV, but I don't see why that matters with Obama.

Then for McCain, its all about getting someone that can talk about the economy. Well, he has a ton of other faults, but that is certainly Romney's strength. I think if McCain is going with Romney, it'll come early. Because one of the things that Romney also brings with him is $$, and that's worthless if the pick comes only weeks prior to the convention (and $84M in taxpayer-financed funding for McCain). This probably nixes Jindal or Pawlenty, whom McCain refers to them as "the future of the Republican Party", as neither has notable business experience. If McCain chooses either of them, he's signaling that he expects to  lose and is anointing the '12 frontrunner.  That leaves Romney and Carly Fiorina, among those who are mentioned.

McCain choosing Romney looks like Kerry choosing Edwards. Kerry did not mesh with Edwards, and apparently regretted having chosen him afterwards, but at the time, it seemed like the consensus pick that would boost his chances. Kerry also chose early and got no convention bounce. McCain choosing Romney this coming week gives him money, but at the price of seeing Romney as the '12 frontrunner if McCain loses, and probably, after the '08 loss, saying he regretted the choice.

If he wants to shake it up, McCain will wait till after Obama has made his choice (most likely a white male), and go with a woman. Fiorina is good on TV, and has been very out and front for McCain. Jim Geraghty presents the case made to him for a McCain-Fiorina ticket. If McCain doesn't choose Romney within the next week, then he's probably going to wait until the RNC convention, and I  doubt it'll be Romney then; more likely Fiornia or Hutchinson, or someone else.  

Though she doesn't fit the bill, McCaskill is probably the hardest working VP wannabee among the Democrats, she's once again facing off against Fiorina over the weekend, this time on Fox. But still, I think the only woman that Obama can choose is Clinton, and meet the above poll results. Obama probably remembers the lack of convention bounce that Kerry got in '04, and is also going to wait until the week before the convention.

Anyway, lets get it on the record, guess who they are going to choose (you can always guess again before it happens)? Right now, I'm guessing, for McCain its Romney if its sooner, or Fiorina if later, and the darkhorse being Pawlenty; and for Obama, Reed if they got along well on the trip, Clinton a strong possibility, and Richardson the darkhorse.



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Intrade - Democratic VP Nominee - leading contenders:

1. Evan Bayh 13.2

  1. Kathleen Sebelius 10.2
  2. Joe Biden 10.1
  3. Hillary Clinton 10.0
  4. Tim Kaine 10.0
  5. John Edwards 7.0
  6. Claire McCaskill 6.8
  7. Jack Reed 6.3
  8. Sam Nunn 6.0
  9. Wesley Clark 5.1
  10. Bill Richardson 5.0

Intrade - Republican VP Nominee - leading contenders:

1. Mitt Romney 33.0

  1. Tim Pawlenty 15.7
  2. Sarah Palin 10.0
  3. Mike Huckabee 7.2
  4. Bobby Jindal 5.7
  5. Tom Ridge 5.0
  6. Rob Portman 5.0
  7. Charlie Crist 5.0
  8. Eric Cantor 5.0
  9. Olympia Snowe 3.0


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by evantakesall on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:51:28 AM EST

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Foreign policy AND the economy.  And frankly, based on polls and my gut (a gut which has been very good this election cycle at predicting the direction of the polls), I think the economy is a much more important issue for SWING voters.  

I.e., of those people who say Iraq is the most important issue, the #s are basically set.  If you think invading Iraq was a good idea (and you have one of those "Support our Troops" stickers or, God forbid, you're one of those dead-enders with a "W" sticker) you are a McCain supporter, period.  If you think invading Iraq was a bad idea, and you care most about this issue, then you are an Obama supporter, period.  Very little mutability among voters, imo, that claim foreign policy is the top issue.

Among voters who don't particularly give a shit about Iraq, or foreign policy, right now because they're worried about their jobs, their rising costs of living, and health insurance, I really think there's a serious swing vote here.  It's reflected in the fact that neither Obama nor McCain are topping 50% in any polls, despite the fact that both Obama and McCain are extremely well-known to the American people.  Voters who claim gas prices or the economy or jobs or the subprime housing crisis are the top issue truly are swing voters, and while they may care about foreign policy credentials too, that's not the reason most of them are going to go to the polls this November.

I think Obama's biggest weakness here is NOT his lack of foreign policy experience (where he gets most of the votes anyways, because Iraq has already been judged by most Americans as a failure), but his marked lack of economic experience, and his repeated insistence on 1) failing to talk about real solutions to economic problems on a consistent basis; and 2) bringing out "Ivory Tower" economists like Austan Goolsbee, who insist on making theoretically accurate but empirically false claims like "Free trade will benefit everyone in the long run" or "We must find market-based solutions to the big problems of our age, like the mortgage crisis and rising credit card debt" (I'm paraphrasing of course).

As a candidate who often criticized Hillary's (and Edwards's) [arguably faux] populism during the primary campaign, I think Obama needs to start embracing this approach now.  Bring out more of Stiglitz and Robert Reich, start talking about real issues and what he's going to do about them.  And oh yes, get folks like Bill Clinton to talk economics with the masses.  And definitely pick your veep with that in mind.

This election is not going to be won or lost (or won by big margins vs. small margins) based on foreign policy expertise.  That is a luxury for most Americans, who are now worried about their economic security more than their security against theoretical bad guys.


by RedSox04 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:21:26 AM EST
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I generally agree, Iraq was the last election. Still, among voters that put economics at the top, Obama has had a clear lead already. I tend to believe the 'national security' around 'energy independence' and 'economic stability' is the biggest issue right now. McCain is there talking about it, but Obama has not been to date.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:47:24 AM EST
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I agree re Obama having that lead, but I think, based on some of the poll data that I've read about and my own observations and common sense, that that lead is less solid, and more based in a distrust of Bush economics, than anything else.

I.e., the intensity of opinion among voters who think Iraq is their top issue is high, and their vote is "fixed", whereas the intensity of opinion among many voters who think the economy is tops is lower, and their vote is more variable.

So, e.g., a poll that says 50% of Americans view foreign policy as the top issue vs. 42% of Americans who view the economy as the top issue may be misleading, insofar as the 50% of Americans who say foreign policy have already made up their minds, whereas the 42% of Americans who say the economy may have their preferences for president changed.

All of this, of course, is a long way of saying that I think Bayh is not a great choice, whereas someone like Sebelius or Schweitzer is better.  Of course, if Obama could tap into the perceived magical economic abilities of Bill Clinton, that would be ideal.  But I'm not sure any of his former economic gurus are suitable choices, for a number of reasons.


by RedSox04 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:30:23 AM EST
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Recently, I've thought it might be Biden, based primarily on his strong appearances as surrogate. Clinton obviously remains a possibility, but I really don't have a sense that it's more likely than not. Darker horses include Kaine, Schweitzer, and hell . . . Ray Mabus? Someone threw it out here recently and was universally dismissed. But, I think it actually made some sense. These last three names don't provide any obvious boost in the foreign policy department, but Mabus and Schweitzer do have some interesting experience and expertise in connection with Middle-east issues.

Sebelius remains possible, as well, but I think the campaign would only pick her if polling offer some assurance that no backlash from Clinton-supporters would result.

So, anyway, I'm going with Biden as my prediction.


by DPW on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:53:55 AM EST

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I didn't mention Bayh. He's actually been a very good surrogate in some ways and strikes me as more plausible than ever before. But, I'm sticking with Biden since he can do the attack dog thing when necessary.


by DPW on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:58:22 AM EST
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I agree.  It's going to be Biden or Bayh. The key battleground is going to be that line of states from PA to IN, along with MI.

Bayh is fine,  but I like Biden's attack dog qualities better. (Watch his YouTube take downs of Rudy G. for examples.)

I'm not really concerned with who McCain picks. Since he's Bob Dole II he's looking for his Jack Kemp. Probably one of the Ohio names mentioned like Portman.

Their idea of countering the Berlin speech with his now cancelled oil rig speech must have been planned by the same fool who came up with the green back drop.

McCain's team is so aimless and clueless it's fun to watch their haphazard moves vs. the polish of team Obama in Chicago.


by LoganGawain on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:16:11 AM EST
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I should amend that Bayh did a great job on Fox News Sunday taking on Lieberman's lies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzr9BCttZ 6M

That clip makes Bayh look like he'd be a great pick.


by LoganGawain on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:33:25 AM EST
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Ugh.. I just can't stomach that guy as potentially the nominee come 2016.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:15:09 AM EST
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I agree he does a great job in that video. I prefer Biden but I think they'd both be fine. My one caveat with Bayh is that I'm not sure he and obama get along well.

I also really like Schweitzer in that he could make the argument that understands middle eastern culture and economics better than any candidate we've ever had. He also has an extremely firm grip on energy and environmental policy.

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:40:44 AM EST
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Obama may be playing it safe on several fronts right now and doing the conventional run-towards-the-center thing, but I think he knows something the pundits don't concentrate on: VP choices tend to be most valuable when they're used to further substantiate the overall message of the top-of-ticket. It'll be a less-strategic pick than someone he's just really comfortable with who he feels is also qualified to be President and play for his team.

I'd probably split my money between Sebelius (Economic/Domestic/Change message) and Biden (Foreign Policy) at this point.


Obama/Sebelius '08
by evantakesall on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:56:15 AM EST

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I agree about Biden, but Clinton at this point would fit in that narrative as well. Simply because at this point, he doesn't necessarily need her. He's not getting his butt handed to him on his trip, he's not looking like he'll be the one without an understanding of what to say when. No, picking Clinton at this point would be done simply because he feels she's the right one for the job and would add to the ticket on her own merits, not to make him look stronger.


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by vcalzone on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:27:01 AM EST
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The funny thing is... if Bill was out of the picture, I think he WOULD pick Clinton.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:16:14 AM EST
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I think you're probably right.


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by fogiv on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:38:42 AM EST
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Agreed.

I was very opposed to Clinton in the primary, but I always said that if she won, she'd be the smartest and most able President we've had in the last 50 years.

Bill would just be too much of a risk of overshadowing obama.

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:42:52 AM EST
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I actually think Reed would be a good choice.  He's not super-young and has some real time in to Congress, yet he isn't even 60 yet so he doesn't detract from the youth/change angle.  Reed also has real military cred.  My only concern would be that Reed seems a bit light on foreign policy, but then again, after Obamas trip and what I anticipate will be more good reviews, that may be less of a talking point for the MSM/GOP.

I hate to offend, but I just don't see Clinton really being an optimal choice.  She does bring a lot of supporters to the table, but she also brings a lot of drama and will really detract from Obamas overall theme.  Not to be sexist but Obama and Clinton are both alpha-males, and that is just going to make it tough for them to be on the same ticket.  Besides, Clinton really doesn't shore Obama up in the areas where there is the greatest concern, military experience and foreign policy.  Clinton claims to have strong foreign policy cred, but as was shown during the primaries that claim can be challenged fairly easily.  Clinton seems more like a fall-back choice in case the polling numbers really deteriorate before the convention and Obama would rather risk mitigating the additional drama of having Clinton on the ticket with the increased enthusiam from some demographics Obama may need.

However, since McCain is in much bigger need of a great VP choice to inject some energy into his flailing campaign, I suspect that a lot more energy should/will go into his choice.  Obama really just needs someone who doesn't distract from him and increases what is already a formidable enthusiasm gap.


by tlhwraith on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:58:49 AM EST

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I don't think McCain will choose Pawlenty. If he's going to choose a woman, he'd be smart to choose Carly Fiorina over Sarah Palin, but Fiorina has had too many fuckups as a surrogate I guess. I think it'll be Romney (about a 50% shot), Tom Ridge or Rob Portman.


Obama/Sebelius '08
by evantakesall on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:03:12 AM EST

Palin is embroiled (none / 0)

in a "scandal" right now in Alaska over a firing.

Jerome is right about McCaskill being a wannabe.  She just came off as so insincere in her Meet the Press face-off with Fiorona.  You would have guessed that Fiorona was the seasoned politician and McCaskill was the political rookie from that debate.  Obama insists on putting his C-teamers on to represent him on television.

Isn't Sebelius embroiled in an abortion controversy?  One of O'Reilly's 's goons ambushed her about the doctor and Sebelius just ran away from the questionining.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:16:32 AM EST
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i just can't see (none / 0)

McCain picking anyone other than Romney.

Romney fills in too many gaps for him that the others don't


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by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:06:18 AM EST
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If so I HOPE OBAMA picks Clinton... She would make Romney cry during the VP debate.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:17:43 AM EST
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I have a gut feeling it'll be Carly Fiorina.  In GOP conventional wisdom, it's better to go with a surprise gutsy choice (Dick Cheney) over picking another rival (George HW Bush).  Romney is viewed by most Republicans as another George Bush Sr., and that means he's a no go.  

Fiorina adds all of the positives of Romney (perceived as strong on the economy, fiscal conservative, well spoken and "handsome"), but is also a woman, which allows them to try to further expand on the potential gains with any disillusioned Hillary voters.

I think if Obama picks a male veep, McCain will almost certainly pick Fiorina, her total failures as HP CEO notwithstanding, since they're currently being rewritten in history as we speak.


by RedSox04 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:44:25 AM EST
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symbolism and big events may just trump his counterveiling desire to play things safe and maintain a "drama" free environment.  I'll go out on the limb and say Clinton because she's the only choice that provides him with symbolism and the historic event in Harlem outside of Big Daddy's office.  Americans love a soap opera and drama anyway.

I'm not sure if she would take it unless she got some concessions from Obama as to the role she would have in his domestic and social policies.  Obama, of course, would handle all foreign affairs.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:04:45 AM EST

Neither McCain nor Obama (none / 0)

is performing particularly well when it comes to the economy.  Obama's lead in this area has disappeared according to this poll.  He could use a veep that brings both the economy/foreign policy cred to the table.  I cannot think of anyone better than the lady in the pantsuit.

McCain on the other hand needs to go straight economy unless he just wants to go pure alpha and go all-in on foreign policy.

The problem with foreign policy is that if nobody cares now about it, what is the likelihood that they'll care in October given the deteriorating economy and the improvements in Iraq?  The pissing match that has taken place this summer over foreign policy was fun while it lasted.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:11:26 AM EST
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Your memory is kind of short.  Towards the end of the primary Clinton and Obama were darn near indistinguishable in the polling numbers on their economic and foreign policy appearance, so I really have to question how Clinton enhances Obama at all.  Besides, Clintons little gas-holiday stunt doesn't really give her a strong position in dealing with the current energy issues, IMO she comes off as pandering just like the GOP.

If it really is "the economy stupid" Obama may almost be better off choosing a Bill Clinton era economic figure like a Robert Rubin.  A bonafide beurocrat who can claim deep knowledge of economic policy.  Obama doesn't really need a charismatic VP that can attract more voters, he has the charisma thing on lock, what he needs IMO is a VP that gives him almost unassailable gravitas in one or more areas like foreign policy or the economy.  That gravitas doesn't need to come from a career politician and he may be better served by going with a career foreign policy or economics related professional.

Again, I think "the Clinton effect" is more fantasy than reality at this point.  Obama has predictably attracted a large number of her former supporters already anyway, and come November, when what is at stake becomes apparent, that number will be even higher.  The reality is that Clinton is a good politician, but IMO a large part of her appeal is based on the Clinton mystique, that at this point is being overpowered (almost out of necessity) by the Obama mystique.  Obamas best chance of winning lies in cultivating the powerful almost-rock star appeal he has currently, and Clinton would really detract from that.


by tlhwraith on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:38:44 AM EST
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Nope (2.00 / 1)

Clinton beat Obama on the economy in most of the states; she also beat him on healthcare in most of the states.  Obama beat her on the Iraq war, which is quickly fading away from relevance three months before the election.  The gas-tax pander was pretty bad but then again, all she has to do is back him up on the offshore drilling issue, unless Obama decides to cave which I suspect he will not.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:42:47 AM EST
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The definition of "beat" isn't as easily applicable as you think.  Most times we're talking a few percentage points except in extgremely polarized primaries.  My point isn't that Clinton isn't perceived to be slightly stronger on Obama in some things, its just that it isn't such a deep and huge difference that it amounts to significantly overcoming the baggage and drama she brings to the table.

Like I said, Clinton is a strong politician, but the big problem I see is that she isn't a ying to Obamas yang and doesn't fundamentally improve any area he is weak in except for maybe some demographics that may not vote for Obama anyway if she's on the ticket or not.  

For instance, while most people like her healthcare plan better, do you really think when compared to MCCains healthcare "plan" Obama needs any help Clinton could provide?  In the end, that may be the biggest thing I see, the race is Obama vs McCain not Obama vs Clinton.  What I mean is that the difference between Obama and McCain in several areas is huge and I don't see where adding Clinton to the equation fundamentally alters that balance (mostly because Obama and Clinton weren't really miles away on anything policywise).


by tlhwraith on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:57:17 AM EST
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looking at my rather verbose answer I can sum it up like this "in the Obama v McCain battle the VP should be someone who can cause people to vote for Obama over McCain, or tip them that way".  The problem I see with Clinton is that although some people say it, most people are not going to move from McCain to Obama because Clinton is on the ticket, in fact there may be some movement the other way or cause Obama supporters to not show up.  At this point if I were Obama that small minority of people who are willing to vote for McCain because Clinton isn't on the ticket should be written off.  In all honesty, those people are probably voting anti-Obama anyway and it isn't clear that they would show up in Novemeber any way.

(darn, that was pretty verbose too!)


by tlhwraith on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:04:56 AM EST
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I think you're wrong.  CW, propagated by the media ad infinitum, as well as the Village folks more generally (inside the Beltway types), is that Hillary is toxic.  But there's not really any evidence that she turns off more voters than say John Kerry, or Barack Obama.

In re the economy, and who's "better", you're missing the point entirely.  Obama did better than Hillary among people who've taken Econ 101 at major universities and are somewhat indoctrinated in free market thinking.  Clinton consistently crushed Obama among people who didn't taken Econ 101 at major universities (aka blue collar workers) (and, editorializing, among people who'd taken more than just Econ 101 and were advanced economists who weren't Republicans, and therefore disliked Obama's positions on universal health care, social security, and the mortgage crisis).

The point is that among the urban rich hipster class, Obama's already the preferred choice, by even greater margins than is normally the case with Democratic candidates vs. Republicans.  The problem is that Obama does worse on the economy than typical Dem candidates among blue collar types, despite the extremely favorable atmosphere.  You can (and most Obama supporters I know probably do) chalk that up to "racism", but the fact is that Obama does remarkably poorly among ALL non-black non-college educated voters on economic issues, as compared to other Dems.

Hillary, for whatever reason (I tend to think it's a rather simplistic formulation of Clinton years = good), appeals to those voters in a way that Obama does not.  Now, whether that justifies putting Hillary on the ticket and enduring all the brouhaha is a different question.  But don't use your observations, which have been propounded by the media but unsupported by any polling I've seen, that Hillary is too toxic and would turn off voters, to make a dubious point.


by RedSox04 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:53:26 AM EST
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Robert Rubin? That's a joke, right?


by LakersFan on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:51:58 PM EST
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But note how the question is worded: not "which quality would you like to see the VP have" but "which do you think it's important for their choice to have."

In other words, the question is inviting the respondent to parrot back what they've heard the media saying about the choices. They're not asking the person if they, personally, would lean more toward picking a candidate based on the VP's strengths, but, in essence, whether they think that the candidate would do better in the race with a particular type of candidate. They're asking a race-handicapping question here, not a personal preference question.

The conventional wisdom says that you should pick a VP who is going to fill in the gaps on your resume, but the whole point of Obama's trip and his forceful statements on foreign policy is that he does not consider himself to be inept in this arena, that he is a trendsetter and has good judgment, not that he's a babe in the woods who needs and elder statesman to guide him around. To pick a foreign policy expert would be to shoot himself in the foot, to give in to McCain's "expertise" argument and admit his opponent is better in that arena -- rather than have a game-changing and potentially Democratic-Party-changing approach to strong but wise foreign policy. So there's a slim to none chance it'll be a military expert.

The biggest key to Obama's thinking is that he admitted that what he most wants in a VP is someone who's judgment he trusts who he can rely on to counsel him and keep him on a strong course. I'm not entirely sure that he's playing the game of paying attention to all the polls from minute to minute to see who he can peel off the most votes with a calculated choice. I could be wrong (he is, after all, a very skilled politician), but I think what he's looking for most is someone who's got his back. From what I've read, Sebelius and Obama seem to share a good relationship, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were her.

If he were going for pure calculation I think it'd be Edwards, based on polls that see him leap 5-10 points with Edwards on the ticket. I'd like to see Edwards personally. But Obama apparently was cold and unresponsive toward Edwards when he conceded the race, part of why the endorsement took so long; I don't sense much warmth there unless it's been developing behind the scenes.

That's my two cents.


by indythink on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:13:11 AM EST

Richardson (none / 0)

I was never that excited about Richardson and was starting to get excited about Schweitzer, but in light of this poll, why is it that Richardson is unlikely? Also, in light of today's disappointing Ohio poll, Obama's firewall is Kerry + IA + CO + NM. Shouldn't Richardson be a big help in CO and NM? It's too bad he has such an un-Hispanic last name and I wonder just how much of a help he'd be with Hispanics who might otherwise not register or not vote, or vote for McCain.

Any insights?


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by obsessed on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:18:20 AM EST

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On Richardson, not really, on Ohio, if you're talking about the Rasmussen numbers, you should take them with a grain of salt.  Rasmussen has consistantly shown MCCain with leads over Obama AND the polling is a one day rolling average which tends to not be very predictive.  That being said, from looking at the 3 most recent poll sources in Ohio, Obama is doing well if not leading.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/oh/ohio_mccain_vs_obama-4 00.html

As an engineer who works with numbers for a living, I'm almost inclined to say the recent polling data is trending for Obama in Ohio, although there are serious oscillations in the data which makes it difficult to call it for anyone at this point.

At this stage of the game, instant polls like the Rasmussen numbers are really not that helpful and the only thing the polls really help with is when they show consistant trending over a reasonable timetable.  Remember, Obama always had problems in Ohio and closed a considerable gap with Clinton.  The fact that now he is beating McCain in 2 of the 3 latest polling company numbers is a good thing and bodes well for keeping Ohio competitive.


by tlhwraith on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:50:27 AM EST
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Richardson seems to bring foreign policy experience to the table and it's true that CO and NM seem to be the firewall. He would help there and in Nevada and Florida.


by msw4477 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:58:46 AM EST
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Its one questionable poll that has pretty much been PROVEN as an outlier.  


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:19:53 AM EST
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RICHARDSON WOULD BE A GREAT CHOICE!Its a great electoral startegy and the man plainly knows what hes talking bout better than anyone out there.

Two issues:
1)Rumors of some serious infidelity.
2)Guys a horrific campaigner.

It would also take a lot of balls to run an all minority ticket.

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:46:49 AM EST
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I could've sworn I read somewhere... (2.00 / 1)

...over the past week that Reed either took himself out of contention for the slot or said he wouldn't be V.P. recently. I went looking for the quote but couldn't find it.

I think if you stick with Clinton, Richardson, and Biden--in that order--you have shortest of the short-listers...and, perhaps in that order, too.

Biden's biggest problem is he's from a tiny state (Reed, is as well, of course), in terms of electoral votes.

That leaves Richardson and Clinton...and either's fine by me, with former FL Sen./Gov. Bob Graham being the quintessential dark horse.

All three are great choices, with Clinton--no surprise there--being my personal fave.

I have to think they're looking at the homestate figuring into the final decision, at least to a slight extent, and that deeply discounts the other two options: Reed and Biden; perhaps with both of them being cabinet choices after all's said and done. In fact, I'd say Reed, Biden, and Hagel are Defense, State and CIA/Nat'l Sec. Advisor, in no particular order, perhaps with a General (Clark, Zinni, Shalikashvili) replacing one of them for Sec. Def.


by bobswern on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:22:25 AM EST

1 more thought.... (none / 0)

...give an extra few points to any Governor or retired Senator, as opposed to a currently-serving Senator, as a choice for the ticket, given everyone's concern for those 60 votes after January 20th...has to be in the back of everyone's mind at some point in the decision-making process, IMHO...in which case that would add just a little more weight to the Graham and Richardson options coming to fruition...also Strickland and Kaine, IMHO.


by bobswern on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:27:56 AM EST
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Re: I could've sworn I read somewhere... (2.00 / 1)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/14/ rhode-island-senator-jack-reed-denies-vp -interest/

Boiler Plate - Not interested, haven't been vetted answer.  No Shermanesque type statement.  could be true, could be blowing smoke.


by yitbos96bb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:21:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You're absolutely right, and thanks! (none / 0)

Yeah, sometimes I forget that about "political speak."

No means yes...yes means no...and, "maybe" can mean a lot of things...except on certain days ending in a "Y" during even or odd years...LOL!

Yeah, I guess Reed's comments mean quite little...thanks for going to the effort of digging this up. Very much appreciated!


by bobswern on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:55:05 AM EST
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Re: Poll & VP (2.00 / 1)

I don't know if I'll be more surprised or disappointed if HRC isn't the running mate at this point.  It would be really wonderful to see the Clintons and the Obamas working side-by-side for the same ticket.  I think it would do wonders to heal wounds within the party, restoring the Clintons' previously stellar rapport with the African-American community and sealing the fractures in the Democratic coalition that the McCain campaign could potentially exploit.

It seems more likely to me with each passing day, which is honestly not what I expected.  Hillary maintains a large following, voted the right way on FISA, and is still taking action on legislative issues and demonstrating every day why she is such an incredible civil servant.  I don't think there is anyone else in the Democratic Party who can bring the same kind of guns as Hillary--man or woman.


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by hornplayer on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:08:26 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

And it would get all of the Clinton fundraisers to open up their wallets again. Obama may not need the money, but the Democratic party could sure use it.


by LakersFan on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 03:56:10 PM EST
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Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

At least one semi-prominent Repub blog, Race 4 2008, has flat out said Romney will be the pick based on hearing it directly from insiders in the campaign.

Whether they are right or not, I'd be surprised if Romney wasn't the pick at this point. He will provide a big fundraising boost to the ticket and possibly help in the West, but probably go over like a lead balloon based on his performance in the primary. The funny thing is that movement conservatives still have trouble seeing that Romney is just basically unlikeable. Still, on balance, he may be the best option for McCain.

For Obama, it's much less clear. Even though I strongly opposed Clinton during the primary, I'd actually be thrilled to see him pick Clinton at this point. I think it would bring even more energy to the ticket and pretty much guarantee a win for Obama. The biggest impediment to picking her is not Bill but what to do with her once they are elected. There's a basic lack of trust there left over from the primary and the scorched earth tactics that were employed. If not Clinton, Biden is a strong choice based mainly on foreign policy expertise and has said he would take the job. Bayh is probably more of a team player/ blank slate has proved to be effective on TV but has less gravitas. In the end, I believe it will be one of these three, but I would love to see him surprise everyone and pick Edwards or Mark Warner.  


by animated on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:57:31 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

Clinton would be OK with me but I'm affraid she's cost him in CO, IA, and NM-- the firewall.


by msw4477 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:00:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Also, Minnesota. (none / 0)


Howard Dean is my go-to guy
by lojasmo on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:33:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also, Minnesota. (2.00 / 1)

Where are you getting this information from? Are you  just assuming that she would cause problems for Obama in those states or are there any genuine polls out there stating that she would be a big hindrance?

Or are we just going on the tried-and-true "everyone hates Hillary" Republican/media meme?


by Babloo328 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:48:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also, Minnesota. (none / 0)

Obama won Minnesota 66/33  Among DEMOCRATS.  

Independents and republicans will be driven from the ticket in droves, according to polling data.


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by lojasmo on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

tell us why Warner took his name out (none / 0)

McCain:  Pick- Mitt Romney; Strong Possibility- Tim Pawlenty; Darkhorse- Lindsey Graham

I don't think McCain needs Romney's money to get through the next month.  Picking Romney is for Michigan, Nevada, Colorado and New Hampshire (and in that order) and he is a ready and willing attack dog.  Romney really wants it and he will do anything.  But McCain thinks he's a twit.

The dark forces have taken over the McCain campaign and they have stepped up the negative attacks on Obama lately.  The slight closing in the polls recently only encourages the Rove acolytes (and Rove himself) who infest the McCain campaign.  Rove's opinion will be a significant factor in this decision.   If Romney helps  McCain in their internal polling, he will get it.

Obama:  Pick- Brian Schweitzer; Strong Possibility- Kathleen Sebelius;  Darkhorse- Mark Warner

Warner's no has been pretty firm but I can't figure out why.  His ego won't let him be second banana?  He wants to be President and being Obama's VP is the fastest way to get there.  I appreciate that giving up a sure thing Senate seat is tough but how many chances do you get to get that close?

Guessing the VP pick is a mug's game because the campaigns know a lot more than we know.

   


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by mboehm on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:26:22 AM EST

Re: tell us why Warner took his name out (none / 0)

Bold picks for Obama, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he went with someone like Schweitzer. Even though I think he needs a household name backing him up.


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by vcalzone on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 06:43:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell us why Warner took his name out (none / 0)

Probably due to Gilmore barely getting the Repub nom made it such that he's was the sure case to win the senate race.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:52:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: tell us why Warner took his name out (none / 0)

Warner was my original pick.

I'd reorder and say:

Biden- Pick
Richardson- Strong Possibility
Schweitzer- Dark Horse

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

In what world (none / 0)

Is Clinton "an expert in Military or foreign affiars"?

Seriously.  She didn't even have the sense to read her briefing on Iraq before voting to allow Bush to go to war there.


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by lojasmo on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 07:12:44 AM EST

Re: Obama/Edwards? (none / 0)

As long as Senator Obama's trip to the Middle East and Europe remains a smashing success, John Edwards figures in to the VP equation more and more.  The voters are not going to focus exclusively on the economy, but it will ultimately be more important than foreign policy.  If Obama can shore up his foreign policy credentials on his own, that makes the economy more of a factor in his VP choice.

John Edwards can speak with total authority on what it will take to fight poverty and turn this country around.


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by CLLGADEM on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 07:21:45 AM EST

Carly Fiorina? (none / 0)

no one in their right mind would look at Fiorina and think "ready to be president at a moment's notice."

Of course a lot of McCain's base is not in their right mind, so that may be a factor.

Plus I hear there is plenty of bad blood between her and people at Hewlett Packard to the point where some of them might actively campaign against her--thereby undercutting her "business experience" advantage.


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by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:04:02 AM EST

Re: Carly Fiorina? (none / 0)

I find Fiorina to be McCain's most interesting potential VP prospect by far, but there's no predicting how this would play out on either side of the aisle.  Does she even have a public position on Roe v. Wade, for instance?  She'd have to spend the next several months wooing conservatives, and we saw with Romney what happens when someone's actual views don't align neatly (it's a similar deal, actually, to what happened with McCain, conservatives will drag her on the coals until she screams uncle).

Dems who are supported Clinton and are flirting with McCain would face a more interesting choice, because a Vice President Fiorina could rise to the top office one day.  First is the issue of a presidential succession (McCain, clearly, has the sort of history where he might have to resign for health reasons).  Second, if one imagines McCain as a two-term president (if elected there's zero chance he wouldn't run in 2012 unless he were incapacitated) whoever is VP probably would be the Republican front runner.

What disgruntled Clinton supporters are looking for, I think, is a bench warmer (the appeal of a McCain administration, to these voters, is proportionate to the likelihood that Clinton would get the nom in 2012 and clean his clock).  And what Fiorina would set up, ironically, is a scenario whereby she'd become the first woman president and we might see two women running against each other in 2012 (and that might be a difficult race for Clinton to win, she'd lose one of her big advantages, her ability to draw votes from women who are indies and Republicans).

My guess is that McCain is going to pick Romney or Pawlentry.  The above hints at just how much politics can change in 4-8 years, though.  My favorite McCain pick from the Dem's pov is Joe Lieberman (looks good on paper but that would destroy him, hahaha, please do it!).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:01:06 AM EST
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Re: Carly Fiorina? (none / 0)

Fiorina is pro-life, I think.  And the Democrats just have to pound away at two things:  Her record at H-P, and her Viagra gaffe.

The only advantage to Fiorina is that she will pull away those PUMAs and some of the Hillraisers.

She won't help McCain win a particular state.


by esconded on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:56:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

most important quality was not on the list (2.00 / 1)

I think that, despite what answers are offered on polls, the most crucial question voters ask themselves about a VP pick on a gut level is are they "ready to be president at a moment's notice."

Dems perceived as "Ready"

Clinton
Edwards
Nunn
Clark

maybe..
Biden
Bayh
Richardson

not ready
Sebelius
Kaine
McCaskill
Reed

Reps "ready"
Romney
Ridge

maybe
Pawlenty
Huckabee
Crist
Jindal

not
Palin
Portman
Cantor
Snowe
Fiorina


by greenvtster on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:26:20 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

Reed's kind of funny looking.

I don't think he'd project authority, even if he actually has authority.

Sorry, but if perception didn't matter, we wouldn't have had two terms of Bush.

It matters alot.


by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 08:56:26 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

I think it will be Clinton, Biden or Dodd.


by jimotto on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:01:49 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

A totally meaningless junk, or better still motherhood, type question. To which people answer in the mode of I'd like a combination of FDR, Reagan, Lincoln and Churchill, and just throw in a dab of Jesus Christ.  


by ottovbvs on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:07:20 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

If that is so doesn't that beg the question, "Why wasn't that person chosen as the candidate for President?".


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:14:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

I don't want too sound to provincial but, the choice of VP has very little real effect on the voters today! Look at Herbert Walker Bush's choice of Dan Qual, need I say more. The choice for VP is more a MEDIA EVENT than anything else. The most important factor in choosing a VP is the contents of that persons closet and propensity to never make gaffs. He or she has to look good, sound good and never upstage to candidate. Except possibly for McInsane no one expects the President to die or be killed in office when choosing who they will vote for.


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:07:41 AM EST

This assumes he's going to base his (none / 0)

decision by polling it.  

Top 5 in no particular order:

1.  Kaine

  1.  Sebelius
  2.  Richardson
  3.  Biden
  4.  Bayh

Edwards would have been there before this week.


by Geekesque on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:29:17 AM EST

Re: This assumes he's going to base his (none / 0)

So now we are going to use the National Enquirer to vet our candidates?


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by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:57:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't believe it myself. (none / 0)

But, "out there" is about as much of a DQ as is "proven true."


by Geekesque on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 05:09:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

The only thing I know is that it will not be Clinton. No way in hell. The right's hatred of the Clinton's is stronger than their disgust with their own party. I personally know Republicans planning to vote for Obama as long as Clinton is not on the ticket. This is about math: the number of Dems who would change their vote to Obama if Clinton gets the nod is far smaller than the number of Republicans who would switch to McCain. I'm really surprised by all the wishful thinking, but the polling numbers have been out for months - Obama does the worst with her on the ticket.

I think Obama will value loyalty highly, which is why McCaskill is still high on my list. However, I really do believe that it will be someone that we have never heard of.


Yes. We. Did.
by pneuma on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 09:56:03 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (2.00 / 1)

I'm a die-hard Obama supporter but I have to adamantly disagree. Clinton only stirs up the Wingnut base. They have been using the media and their propaganda machine to push this concerned trool meme for so long many on the left have fallen for it! Clinton would stir up more positives than negatives and the negatives wouldnt vote for BO ever. To suggest she would be a drag on the ticket is falling for the wingnut Bullsh*t!


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:12:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

That's not necessarily true.

My parents are registered Republicans, but are very much moderate. They are seriously considering voting for Obama. If Clinton is on the ticket - no way, they'll vote for McCain.

It's really too bad because Hillary has to fight against two decades of disgusting propaganda. But it's reality.


by PSUdan on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:32:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

Interesting. You say their moderate and wouldn't vote for BO if Hils on the ticket. But you leave out WHY they feel such anger towards her. Have you ever asked them what Hil has done that gets them so upset?


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:00:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

I'm not a die-hard Obama supporter (since FISA), but I'm just citing the numbers (which I can no longer find, but were everywhere in June). Polling showed that Obama did best with Edwards as VP, and dead last with Clinton. I think it is a safe bet that neither will happen.

To suggest she would be a drag on the ticket is not wingnut bullshit. It matches the hard numbers and my experience on the ground.


Yes. We. Did.
by pneuma on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (2.00 / 1)

You pick your poll and I'll pick another poll that contridicts yours. Most polls are not reliable because of many factors and to say a single poll confirms you statement won't fly. Hillary would whip the pants off any repuglican inspite of all the nonesense of how much people hate her.


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:07:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

I don't think I've ever understood the hate that people have for her...nor will I ever.


by Babloo328 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:52:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (2.00 / 1)

Propaganda! I've asked people who have said they don't like hillary, why they feel that way. They all couldn't come up with a single reason. They just seem to feel that way. This is what decades of propaganda can do. It can be easily undone though. She did it in upstate NY, Reagon democrat country.


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:12:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

Brainwashed by 16 years of right-wing talking points repeated by right-wing talk radio and the MSM. "Tell a lie enough times and people will believe it" works when people don't bother to think for themselves.


by LakersFan on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 04:08:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Geezus, Jerome (none / 0)

Do you really think the voters really want a candidate to base their VP pick on what the polls say?  I think the voters know that it's the candidate's choice -- not their choice.


by Brad G on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:11:13 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

For Obama, 50 percent say someone who "is an expert in military or foreign affairs."

I see the usual people are talking Hillary up with the usual talking points. The only clear advantage Obama enjoyed during the primary was the Iraq war. I don't see how he would pick her if what these polls say is true. I'm all for a Obama/Clinton ticket but it looks like Obama's biggest weakness in polls right now is military and foreign affairs so it would be logical to choose a running mate who adds heft to the ticket.

My personal pick would be :

Clark
Biden
Bayh


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:12:31 AM EST

Re: Poll & VP (none / 0)

This is just my opinion but I believe Kerry didn't get a bounce in the polls after the 2004 Democratic Party Convention because of how the convention played out. Remember how nice and kind we were at the convention? We didn't even attack Bush/Cheney. Yes, politics should be about the issues instead of negative attacks. Unfortunately, it's not. Then, 5 weeks later, at the GOP convention we got our faces ripped off. Kerry was slammed hard at the GOP convention. The Democratic Party was slammed hard at the convention. Kerry and Edwards were too nice and often delivered lackluster counterattacks. Obama can pick his VP now or wait until the convention, but doing so now won't really affect his convention poll bounce. If he delivers a powerful speech at the convention, crystalizes the differences between him and McCain, and bashes the GOP then I believe you'll see a nice size uptick in the polls.


by Steve24 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:16:08 AM EST

Biden or Bayh (none / 0)

It will be one of those two. Biden brings the foreign policy experience and attack dog value. Bayh firms up Midwestern moderates and has a good economic record.  He was also a Governor.


by elrod on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:17:20 AM EST

Re: Biden or Bayh (none / 0)

I'm okay with Biden. I'm warming up to Bayh.

I'm hoping for Clark.


by PSUdan on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:33:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Biden or Bayh (none / 0)

I'm just about exactly where you are on this.  Clark would be sweet, and I like Biden a lot.  Bayh comes off like a dead fish to me, but like you say, I'm starting to warm to the idea.


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by fogiv on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:49:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Biden or Bayh (2.00 / 1)

Clark was my top choice precisely cause he was making that national security argument against mccain.

He also brings strong internationalist foreign policy cred to the game, which where i think obamas heading.

I just feel like the controversy over his comments outweighed their content.

errgh.

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:55:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Biden or Bayh (none / 0)

Agreed.


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by fogiv on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 01:53:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Poll & VP (2.00 / 1)

Didn't Fiorina bug the offices of HP's directors?  How could she possibly get out from under that as a VP nominee?


by rfahey22 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31:53 AM EST

I don't think Fiorina is a good choice. A more (2.00 / 1)

challenging choice is Christine Todd Whitman. See below...Fiorian carries all the baggage of her HP ouster..


by louisprandtl on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:42:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

VP Clinton and Healthcare Reform (2.00 / 2)

I think, hope, pray Sen. Obama chooses Sen. Clinton as his running mate with the clear mission that she will lead the charge in getting healthcare reform drafted and passed in the first year of their administration.

They need to start their work of crystalizing the vision of what universal healthcare would mean to the average joe like myself, focus the debate back into our sweetspot of domestic policy, and go into '09 with a clear agenda.

Hillary would be amazing and very successful in the that role.


by JerryColorado23 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:03:46 AM EST

Interesting Gap analysis for VP nom. process (none / 0)

However there is a political part to VP nomination process. If McCain goes with a purely political pick to neutralize Obama's/Democratic Party's natural advantage amongst suburban/city women he will go with Christine Todd Whitman or one of the two Maine Senators Snowe or Collins. Whitman pick will create havoc on the pro choice women vote especially in the NorthEast and mid-Atlantic States. This exploits the loophole of the bit of disenchantment that some of HRC supporters feel with Democratic Party currently. However that pick will definitely anger McCain far-right evangelical supporters. Sure to suppress his vote in the Deep South making Obama more competitive there. Another McCain choice is Liebermann who would successfully peel off some Jewish votes for him, but again a non-starter with the conservative Evangelical community. I still think Whitman is a dark horse in this process but unlikely to happen.


by louisprandtl on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 11:26:53 AM EST

Re: Interesting Gap analysis for VP nom. process (none / 0)

I disagree on Lieberman becuase of that recent J Street poll that showed Obama to be twice as popular among jews as lieberman is.

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by Seth Pearce on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:01:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure I agree. Most Jewish voters will vote for (none / 0)

Obama in NorthEast, mid Atlantic, CA and Illinois.
However Liebermann will be able to peel away some Jewish votes away from Obama. And that might prove crucial in a close race like Florida. Now that's my gut feeling and I can be wrong.
by louisprandtl on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:08:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sure I agree. Most Jewish voters will vote for (none / 0)

The only Jewish voters Lieberman would get are the rabid neocons who would vote for McInsane anyway. Those single issue faux Democrats. Thats it.


by eddieb on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:55:20 PM EST
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