Obama Was Right

Between John McCain's adoption of Obama's Afghanistan policy and now Iraq's endorsement of Obama's Iraq policy, there's a subtext that underpins Obama's entire trip to the Middle East: Obama was right, John McCain was wrong.

You know the Obama was right meme is beginning to penetrate when the press deigns to actually acknowledge it. Here's Howard Fineman, a villager who straddles worlds with his appearances on Countdown, but a villager all the same, on Keith last night:

...Barack Obama's attempt to play the presidential contest out on John McCain's territory. John McCain is supposed to be the expert on foreign policy and defense in that part of the world. Barack Obama is coming off like the guy who can see over the horizon, can use his own internal radar. Obama's the one who was saying more than a year ago that Afghanistan was the place to watch, that it was the central place in the war on terror. It was Obama who was pushing the timetable for withdrawal. now both of those seem to be kind of conventional wisdom in many ways backed up to some extent by the very people on the ground Obama is talking to.

The beauty of this message is that it reinforces one of the central themes of Obama's campaign, which is that judgment is more important than experience and as Obama's slam dunk of a trip coincides with even more McCain stumbles (umm, what Iraq-Pakistan border, exactly?) McCain is aiding and abetting the destruction of the only thing he had left in this election. Matt Yglesias summarizes the consequences of Obama's trip to McCain's presidential prospects (h/t TPM):

[McCain had] spent, several weeks with the main theme of his campaign being, quite literally, to criticize Barack Obama for not having been physically present in Iraq recently. This (of course) got Obama to go to Iraq, thus setting up a dilemma. Either Obama would survey the "progress" in Iraq and change his position, thus making him a flip-flopper, or else he would refuse to change his position, thus making him obstinate and out of touch with reality.

But instead of either of those things happening, Obama went to Iraq and Iraqi leaders said he'd been right all along! That's about as close to "game, set, match" as you get in terms of real world events influencing your political campaign. What's more, given the domestic situation and John McCain's inability to talk about domestic issues persuasively, he can't afford to play for a draw on Iraq.

Or, to put it another way, as a "prominent Republican strategist" expressed it in an e-mail to Marc Ambinder:

"We're fucked."

Update [2008-7-22 15:4:45 by Todd Beeton]:Another satisfying result of Obama's trip, especially insofar as McCain had tried to goad Obama into the trip, is that Obama has used it to settle the questions of whether he is suitably ready for the presidency and suitably serious on national security from a village CW perspective. I agree with digby that the use of rightwing Iraq frames to describe Afghanistan is problematic, but probably politically savvy. Chris Cillizza makes the case that Obama has settled those questions for good.

Gone were the jokes and "rah rah" language that won over many Obama partisans but left many undecided voters wondering whether there was any there there when it came to the Illinois senator. Instead, we saw a serious explication of his position on removing combat troops in Iraq, a position bolstered in recent days by repeated calls by the Iraqi government to remove U.S. military forces from the country by 2010. [...]

Overall, however, Obama cleared a crucial bar in today's press conference. He looked and sounded presidential at a moment when the eyes of the world were on him.

Update [2008-7-22 15:8:35 by Todd Beeton]:And as if on cue, the front page of the dead tree version of the Denver Post above the fold:

Iraqis Like Obama Plan



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Re: Obama Was Right (none / 0)

Obama, from the very begining has bee extraordinary. I came to BO with the trepidation expected from anyone who is desperate to win THIS TIME. He, with the exception of his FISA vote hasn't let me down. I'm also sure he will continue as if MCinsane was ahead by 20 points! So now I'm sure I Was Right too!


by eddieb on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:03:55 PM EST

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I do not see how this trip will not prove to be devastating to McCain's presidential ambitions.  Obama's trip kicked McCain's strongest position (on Iraq) out from beneath him by completely undermining his core message.  In the process, Obama showed that his judgment is shared by Iraqi leaders and that McCain is the one that appears to be out of touch.

McCain's camp cannot be happy right now.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:09:30 PM EST

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Poblano was describing McCain's position as zugswang.  He has to respond in some way, but it's hard to imagine a response that isn't going to make him look worse by comparison.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:37:01 PM EST
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I'm sure McCain will manage (none / 0)

They'll continue harping on the fact that "the surge worked" and that Obama opposed the surge, not bothering to acknowledge the fact that, if we'd listened to Obama in the first place, we'd be out of Iraq at this very minute.

The fact of the matter is that the Bush/McCain financiers have made three metric fucktons of money off of this war, and they want Easy Street to continue for as long as possible.  They will eventually come to the realization that their guys are going to lose if they continue trying to keep us in Iraq indefinately; at that point, they'll relent and start trying to corrupt the new majority Democrats in an attempt to hedge their bets.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:41:26 PM EST

McCain can't catch a break (none / 0)

I can see the desperation in the McCain camp
just by looking at the increasing number of inconsistent and silly attacks  
such as "blame Obama for high gas prices"
and whining about the media bias
President Barack Obama "get used to it"
by wellinformed on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:49:03 PM EST

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Smells like desperation to me. Even AP is trying to be kind to the old guy. "showy Democratic rival"? Someone might want to attempt the impossible and start complaining about the really grotesque media bias for McCain. It's making me think McCain is is a deflated suit starting to stink from what it was once filled with.


McCain may be zeroing in on a running mate
By TOM RAUM (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 22, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
ROCHESTER, N.H. - Yet another town-hall meeting isn't doing the trick. Neither is dropping in on a former Republican president. So just what can John McCain do to draw attention away from his showy Democratic rival? Pick a running mate, perhaps.

Speculation swirled Tuesday that McCain might name his vice presidential partner within the next few days - right in the middle of Barack Obama's overseas tour.


by Jeter on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:33:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama Was Right (none / 0)

Good article on the "surge" from Greg Mitchell who runs "editor and publisher along with his own blog
put this up at kos..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/21/ 151250/646/591/554709

Greg's blog
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/

...see you in Denver


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:06:22 PM EST

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At his press conference today Obama came off as if he's ALREADY president.

My favorite moment was when he turned to ask Hagel and Reed if they had anything to add and they shrugged and said no.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:08:49 PM EST

Yes, indeed (none / 0)

He pretty much invalidated the "empty suit" meme today, at least for any rational critic.


by Neef on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:28:55 PM EST
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It's hard to imagine anyone ever calling a Constitutional law scholar an empty suit.

They must have been talking about McHollow.


by Beren on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:47:40 PM EST
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Keep cheering each other up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/07/22/AR2008072200801_ 2.html?hpid=topnews


AMMAN, Jordan, July 22 -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Tuesday defended his proposal to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq over a 16-month period and send more troops to Afghanistan, despite what he acknowledged was the opposition to any pullout timeline from the U.S. commander in Iraq, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus. [skip]

In Ramadi, Obama saw firsthand Iraq's bitter political rivalries. Ali Hatem Suleiman, a top Awakening tribal leader who was at the meeting, said they asked Obama to support the tribes -- and not the Sunni Islamic parties that rejoined Iraq's government over the weekend. They also told him that a security pact with the United States, currently being negotiated, should wait until a new U.S. administration "because the Iraqi parliament does not represent Iraqis well."

Obama asked the tribal leaders whether Iraq's security forces were ready to take over security, said Suleiman. They informed him that while Iraq's forces had improved, the province was still fragile and faced threats from al-Qaeda in Iraq.

"You can pull out and withdraw all the forces in Iraq, but you have to keep the Marines in our province because we still have problems with the Islamic parties and we can face a bad situation at any moment," Suleiman said they told Obama.

They also warned Obama to be cautious with his plan to withdraw U.S. combat forces. "You have think carefully about the area," they told Obama, according to Suleiman. The tribal leaders expressed concern about neighboring Iran gaining influence in Iraq.

"We told him that if your party wins the elections, you have to keep the promise that the United States gave to us, which is to rebuild a new Iraq and to fix the mistakes done by the politicians," Suleiman said.

Will he listen to the tribal leaders?  To the generals?

Or to the Daily Kos gang?

By the way, there is no sign in the polls that this is making an impression here.  He went down 3 in Gallup today, and he's tied with the pathetic McCain on Rasmussen (except McCain favorables remain higher).

And it will not help him that Andrea Mitchell accused him of running fake interviews today.  http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=136003  You can see the video there.

If you guys keep telling yourselves that Obama is perfect, you'll sleep better at night, but it does not mean you're right.

Here's what Ana Marie Cox had to see at Time's Swampland:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/ 07/obama_explains_it_all.html

[this is the quote she was commenting on]

   "Here is what I will say," Obama said, "I think that, I did not anticipate, and I think that this is a fair characterization, the convergence of not only the surge but the Sunni awakening in which a whole host of Sunni tribal leaders decided that they had had enough with Al Qaeda, in the Shii'a community the militias standing down to some degrees. So what you had is a combination of political factors inside of Iraq that then came right at the same time as terrific work by our troops. Had those political factors not occurred, I think that my assessment would have been correct."

   [snip]

   "Well, you were saying that it would not make a significant dent in the violence," Moran said.

   "In the violence in Iraq overall, right," Obama acknowledged. "So the point that I was making at the time was that the political dynamic was the driving force between that sectarian violence. And we could try to keep a lid on it, but if these underlining dynamic continued to bubble up and explode the way they were, then we would be in a difficult situation. I am glad that in fact those political dynamic shifted at the same time that our troops did outstanding work."

Ms. Cox's response:

So... it's not that the surge was successful, it's just that violence decreased and the political dynamic became more manageable. Sure.

Of course, what the relative success of the surge (or whatever) really means is that Obama won't have to talk about Iraq pretty much ever again. McCain has often said he'd rather "lose an election than lose a war," but I don't think he thought he'd be on the winning side of a war and lose the election anyway.


by strongerthandirt on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:33:07 PM EST

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Thanks Eeyore.


by Metrobot on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:21:02 PM EST


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