Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO

by upstate girl, Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:59:52 PM EST

Even as a lame duck, Bush can't help but try to push some truly twisted ideological viewpoints in an attempt to infringe on our rights...

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is poised to put in place new barriers to accessing common forms of contraception like birth control pills, emergency contraception and IUDs by labeling them "abortion."  These proposed regulations set to be released next week will allow healthcare providers to refuse to provide contraception to women who need it.

These rules pose a serious threat to providers and uninsured and low-income Americans seeking care. They could prevent providers of federally-funded family planning services, like Medicaid and Title X, from guaranteeing their patients access to the full range of comprehensive family planning services. They'll also build significant barriers to counseling, education, contraception and preventive health services for those who need it most: low-income and uninsured women and men.

The regulations could even invalidate state laws that currently ensure access to contraception for many Americans. In fact, they describe New York and California's laws requiring prescription drug insurance plans to provide coverage for contraceptives as part of "the problem." These rules would even interfere with New York State law that ensures survivors of sexual assault and rape receive emergency contraception in hospital emergency rooms.

Senator Hillary Clinton is sounding the alarm on this one at Huffington Post, channeling supporters to sign the petition at her HillPAC site.

Senator Clinton knows full well what it will take to fight for reproductive rights for everyone, male and female, in the coming years, and knows that a McCain presidency is going to be exactly more of this same ideological nonsense coming from the Bush Administration. Thank you to Senator Clinton for raising the alert on this attempt, and for truly championing women's rights in a real and concrete way.

Speaker Pelosi's statement is here. (Thank you to Tenafly Viper for the link)




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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 6)

I posted the link in a few comments. I'm at work and couldn't diary it. thank you and rec'd!!!!


by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:01:19 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 7)

Contraception is not abortion.  Looks like Bush is just trying to mess as much stuff up as possible before escaping back to his "ranch".


by NewOaklandDem on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:05:45 PM EST

Scorched Earth (2.00 / 1)

First Iran and now this.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:11:50 PM EST
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Re: Scorched Earth (2.00 / 3)

well, first the economy, then either from incompetence or just not giving a crap letting 9/11 happen despite all the warnings, then Afghanistan was not "sexy" enough for him so then he FU'ed Iraq...next Iran and the rest of our Constitution


by zerosumgame on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:44:44 PM EST
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some born agains (none / 0)

say that contraception that doesn't prevent fertilization but keeps the zygote from attaching is abortion.  They are very nutty, but when you start down the slippery slope of when life begins, that's where some will put it.  That's why reproductive rights should the same as women's rights and between one woman and her physician. Any restrictions will be used to justify greater restrictions. it was going this way once we got into the first and second trimester situation. If a baby can be delivered and live, then do that, but if it's before that's possible, then abortion should be private, not a public matter at all.  

This is also why debating it is the problem too, debates mean that the state does have an interest in a woman's body.  


by anna shane on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:50:32 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 6)

Glad to hear Hillary is on this.  This Bush proposal is an abomination.  (yup, religious right analogy.)


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:10:36 PM EST

God I love... (2.00 / 7)

Hillary. Gotta love when Hill tears the right apart on things like this. There are very few in the entire nation that can do it any better...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:10:42 PM EST

Re: God I love... (none / 0)

It's leadership like this that makes me content with her as VP choice.  I'm still concerned about energizing previously lethargic right-wingers, but I'm beginning to think it's worth it.


by ProgressiveDL on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 08:32:23 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 4)

By the logic that contraception is abortion, then chastity is a form of abortion too!

So be good, people, and get down and bad.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:15:20 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 3)

That's awesome.  I think your going to make a fortune on the "Not Conceiving = abortion" bumper stickers, t-shirts and tote bags.  


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:26:36 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 2)

remember that Monty Python bit where "every sperm is precious"? Now we can try to laugh away the hurt now that it is trying to become the law of the land


by zerosumgame on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:46:13 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 1)

I have no idea how to embed video, so any heads up on that would be much appreciated.  But here's the link.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid= 9002085385040727366


by ProgressiveDL on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 08:34:30 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 5)

Yes, for people who focus only on Roe V Wade being overturned, I will remind everyone to check out how Scalia and Thomas view the Griswald decision.

Let me give you a clue, they would be just as happy to overturn IT as Roe.

And since we don't know how Alito and Roberts would vote, (Chances are with those other two) that means we are also counting on Anthony Kennedy to single handedly keep contraception rights legal in all 50 states?

So, who is going to appoint the replacements for Ginsburg and Stephens?

I sure hope it's not McCain, and I'm DAMN SURE Senator Clinton feels the same way.


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:17:44 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says (2.00 / 4)

I'm not sure what Bush is hoping to accomplish, unless it's solely to influence the election.  Such a rule could easily be repealed by HHS as headed by a Democratic appointee.


by rfahey22 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:18:09 PM EST

it's solely to influence the election (2.00 / 4)

Bingo.

Having to kiss up to the fundy base at this point demonstrates what kind of deep trouble McSame is in.

This will not go over well with the sensible majority.


by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:24:47 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 2)

That's my girl.  Got her finger on the pulse. I think Mr. Obama and the party would be wise to let her handle this... Although I should say where the heck is Pelosi on this?


by Iceblinkjm on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:28:47 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 1)

Pelosi's statement:
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1441
by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:32:46 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 2)

Thank you, adding this to the diary.


by upstate girl on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:33:40 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 2)

And thank you for the important diary.  We need to put this issue out there in a big way.  Most Americans will be completely offended by this.


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:43:11 PM EST
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I'm surprised she posted on Huffington (none / 0)

being that that site and Daily Kos are why she's not the nominee right now. But it is smart, because it could help her with the netroots along with the Clinton name, and perhaps get her on Obama's ticket, and maybe to the Presidential nomination one day. her biggest mistake this primary was not courting the left. If she had made some effort to do that, she'd have won.


by Lakrosse on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST

Probably because (2.00 / 5)

...she's actually over it and moving on to actual problems. Good for her, wish some of her supporters would do the same.


by upstate girl on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:31:26 PM EST
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Re: I'm surprised she posted on Huffington (2.00 / 3)

She's posted to HP in the past before the primaries and during. She's not afraid to address any crowd when the issues are important or this country is concerned. HP and KOS should be ashamed of themselves for the way their bloggers and editorial staff conducted themselves during the primary.


by Iceblinkjm on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:40:16 PM EST
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Re: I'm surprised she posted on Huffington (2.00 / 1)


They'll have plenty of time and opportunity to regret it.

But there was lots of stupid that wanted out.


by killjoy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 09:34:48 PM EST
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Go get 'em, Hillary! (2.00 / 1)

This is a good fight.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:36:37 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 4)

I wonder what Carly Fiorina thinks about this?  She was awfully concerned about birth control when speaking for McCain.  (Of course I wonder if she'll tell McCain about all this birth control stuff some day... )

Good for Hillary, of course.

Since Bush wants to enforce the issue that Every Sperm is Sacred, I'll had the rest of this post over to the Pythons:


January 20 & sricki join with The engels in love!
by January 20 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:37:11 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 4)

That song always reminds me about the "sin" of onanism, named after Onan who let his seed spill upon the ground rather than impregnate his brother's widowed wife. I wonder how the Bush Administration would enforce a ban on masturbation. (I probably shouldn't give them any ideas.)


by upstate girl on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:40:20 PM EST
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Small Government Indeed!!! (2.00 / 1)

Well done Senator Clinton.  THIS is just one of the reasons why I voted for you in 2000 (I didn't live in NY anymore in 2006).  Good to see you making such good use of the seat.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:52:01 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 2)

I honestly don't even know what to say about this.  I'm stunned at how awful Bush is.  And every time I think I can't be stunned anew, I find myself looking up at the ceiling, wondering who pulled the rug out from under me.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:19:51 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 1)

Do what I do...everytime you happen to see Bush on TV, and can't get to the remote fast enough to mute the sound, just start repeating this:

"only 6 months till he is gone. Only six months to President Obama....only 6 months till he is gone. Only six months to President Obama....only 6 months till he is gone. Only six months to President Obama....only 6 months till he is gone. Only six months to President Obama....only 6 months till he is gone. Only six months to President Obama....


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST
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Has Obama issued a statement (2.00 / 1)

in support of Clinton's efforts?  It could put some pressure on McCain to come up with a coherent response.


by Blazers Edge on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:42:42 PM EST

Re: Has Obama issued a statement (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't expect him to say anything while he's in Iraq.  Hopefully he'll mention it once he gets to Europe.


by semiquaver on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:52:38 PM EST
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true. (2.00 / 1)

but i hope he gives her props when he gets home.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:36:16 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 4)

Great diary and petitioned signed.  Well done Senator Clinton!


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:16:29 PM EST

i dont think (2.00 / 1)

there are words to describe my frustrations


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 07:36:59 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 1)

George Bush is a bad human being.  He has an utter lack of empathy for other people.  Recall his reaction when told of 9/11, his indifference to the handling of Katrina, his wholehearted support of an awful war in Iraq, his endorsement of torture, his support for black flights (Oh wait, those aren't real...riiiight), and his willingness to roll over all privacy rights.  I used to think he was just stupid and duped by Cheney; now I think Bush is genuinely a selfish, evil-hearted person.  McCain would be more of the same, if slightly smarter, but also slightly more senile.


by ProgressiveDL on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 08:42:14 PM EST

This is a creepy situation (none / 0)

Can anyone here explain how this would work legally?

Is there any immediate recourse to this or does HHS trump the legislature in the short run?


"And to my fellow Americans I say this... get off my lawn." John McCain, August 2008
by JDF on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 08:43:19 PM EST

Flabber-freaking-gasted (2.00 / 2)

like others, I'm at something of a loss for words (the crowd goes wild!).

OK, where in bob's green world does this leave us, other than the 1930s?  

I understand the pain of abortion only too well, and the complex moral dilemna of a given string of DNA.  But the fact is that 30% of conceptions are spontaneously aborted - are we to have funerals?  If I write down a complete unique genome do I have to send it off to get coded in amino acids and find a host-mother?

God, this kind of insanity just has to stop.

-chris


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 10:48:31 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (2.00 / 1)

Now that she's not the nominee, Hillary has the freedom to be herself and do what she wants to do.  I'm sure her handlers would have never let her even COMMENT on the issue if she was the nominee...

Losing the nomination could be the best thing that could have happened for her... and for progressive causes as a whole... now, she can be a true champion without worrying about "losing independents" or whatever garbage those consultants wrangle their candidates with...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:28:53 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

I'm sure her handlers would have never let her even COMMENT on the issue if she was the nominee...
I think you are completely off-base here and I'm not even a Hillary supporter. I'll be surprised if Obama doesn't release a statement on this if it turns out to be more than idle speculation by Bush.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:47:54 AM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

You know better than I, but why would Obama make a statement?

The Obama campaign has been actively courting evangelicals with his support of 'faith based initiatives' and lack of support for later term abortions.  Why would he screw that effort up by being strongly in support of contraception in public at this time?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/pol itics/01evangelicals.html

I wish he would speak up on this, but I think it's too much to expect at this time.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:39:42 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

Here is a quote from Obama's speech on choice on the 35th anniversary of Roe v. Wade. I think that makes his position on this quite clear. Here is a link to the full statement.

"Moreover, I believe in and have supported common-sense solutions like increasing access to affordable birth control to help prevent unintended pregnancies. In the Illinois state Senate, when Congress failed to require insurance plans to cover FDA-approved contraceptives, I made sure those contraceptives were covered for women in Illinois. In the U.S. Senate, I've worked with Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) on a bill that would make birth control more affordable for low-income and college women, and introduced the Senate version of Representative Hilda Solis' bill to reduce unintended pregnancies in communities of color. As President, I will improve access to affordable health care and work to ensure that our teens are getting the information and services they need to stay safe and healthy."


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:50:43 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

Yes, and that's why I think he will just keep quiet now.  I'm not questioning his stated position.  I just think he won't say anything.

Progressives heard the speech.  Evangelicals are hearing what he says now, which will be nothing.

He will get to have his cake and eat it too.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:06:03 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

wingnuts have been trying to equate contraception with abortion for decades.

Pharmacists for Life, for example, are involved in some scary legislation at the state level.

Every progressive involved in the pro-choice movement has said hell no.

that said, I hope that Hillary making a public statement on this issue means she is getting ready to take Ted Kennedy's place as the most consistent champion of liberal causes in the Senate.  That is where we really need her.  Ted only became the liberal lion after he lost his presidential bid in 1980.

The best way to keep this contraception=abortion stuff from continuing is to avoid having a McCain administration at all.


Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:49:21 AM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

Hmmmm.
So Hillary is the only person with this position?
Don't get me wrong...I am glad she..as she always was... is there...

I guess I am saying...for this diary to be focused on Clinton..raises a few red flags..

by the way...perhaps you can do a little research..(if you care) on what is happening here in Colorado

"Denver, May 31, 2008 / 04:19 am (CNA).- A Colorado proposal defining a fertilized egg as a human person has been certified for the November ballot by Colorado Secretary of State Mike Coffman, who said about 103,000 people validly signed petitions backing the proposal.

Only 76,000 signatures were required to place the proposal on the ballot, on which it will be listed as Amendment 48

"Denver, May 31, 2008 / 04:19 am (CNA).- A Colorado proposal defining a fertilized egg as a human person has been certified for the November ballot by Colorado Secretary of State Mike Coffman, who said about 103,000 people validly signed petitions backing the proposal."

This is on our ballot..in November..
What are Your(not Clinton's) views on this?????

(I am assuming this is not a PUMA/PUNY post...)

I am providing this initial information to you.
If this is really important to you...I will await your diary on this subject...without a mention of Sen. Clinton...
Your failure to do so...just might reflect your real agenda is not this important subject...but perhaps something else....


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:51:12 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

Despite your paranoia about the diarist, Hillary Clinton is the Senator who's getting media coverage for her statements on this topic.

Hillary Clinton is a Senator from New York, a leader in the Democratic party, and the most recognizable elected female in our nation. The fact that you have this type of reaction because someone diaries a news story involving Clinton and women's reproductive rights makes it very obvious what your agenda is all about.


by LakersFan on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 08:45:30 PM EST
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Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

Perhaps...again it is just me...
but I always suspect a diary..
where the writer...at no time engages the comments...
either this is a diary based on passion..
or a drive by concern troll...

Yeah there are a lot of rec's...
...but not me...yet


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:19:13 PM EST

Re: Contraception = Abortion? Clinton says HELL NO (none / 0)

and yes I remember this...

"The "Whitey" tape is up Add to Hotlist

by upstate girl, Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:47:44 PM MDT

I had hoped this wasn't true. But in the interest of intellectual and political fairness, I think its important that all Democrats see this in order to understand just what will happ"

"Just because my birthday was yesterday..doesn't mean I was born yesterday."


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:23:35 PM EST

Hooooly pete sir/lady (none / 0)

...you have a paranoia streak a mile wide. I did comment in this diary, I linked to the post that Senator Clinton wrote herself plus linked to Pelosi's statement on the subject, etc. etc. etc. You shouldn't run people through troll purity tests unless you can read well enough to administer them.


by upstate girl on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:40:34 PM EST
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