Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good [Updated - Made my donation!]

I'm going to pony up and make another donation to the Obama campaign this evening.  It will be small (I'm not exactly awash in cash), but it will matter.  I am going to chip in again because I want a small slice of ownership in our future.  Senator Obama opted out of the public finance system because he had faith in us.  Well, I still have faith in him.

And in all of us.  Please read on...

We're mad as hell.  We should be.  He isn't behaving like one of us.  He's moving to the center.  Some say he's moving to the right (which is a bit obvious, as the center is to the right of the left, duh).  He's selling out our principles, some cry.  He isn't going to do everything we want in the way that we want it.

Guess what?  You're gonna get more of the same.  Guess what else?  That's as good as it gets.  America is bigger than the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.  Our hopes and dreams, our policy goals and our outright demands, well they aren't the sum total of the American body politic.  We are a part of it.  I happen to think we're the most enlightened part of it, but we aren't the whole of it.

We aren't always going to get what we want.  There are things that Senator Obama is doing right now that we will regret for as long as we live.  You, or I, or any other of our kind will get to say in 2020 that we knew it would be a mistake to capitulate on the telecom immunity.  Of course this is so.

But so what?  Name any President in our history who did everything his base wanted him to do in the way that they wanted him to do it.  You can't.  That person does not exist.

Barack Obama will be a progressive President in many ways.  He will be a centrist in others.  He may even be conservative in one or two.  He will be, as he already is, a bit of a mix.  I think its fair to say we're all, each of us, a bit of a mix.

I'll chip in because I won't let the perfect ideal (someone like Russ Feingold) be the enemy of the positive good (like Barack Obama).  Barack Obama will accomplish much of what we want.  Certainly, he'll accomplish far more of our goals than did President Bush or a hypothetical President McCain.

Accept the fact that life is full of compromises, and no small number of shitty ones.  How shitty a compromise Barack Obama may be to you, I have to hope he's light years better than your alternatives.  I love this country and I want it to prosper.  We cannot afford four more years of this.  We just can't.  I do believe that John McCain would make a better President than George W. Bush, but frankly that's a bit like saying he'd be better than getting shot in the face.  It's a low bar.

Your inaction will only hobble us.  Your lack of ardor will only serve to help Senator McCain somehow win the prize his party has done nearly everything it could possibly do to lose.

Please, match my ten bucks.  It's a tiny donation.  It's nothing, really.  It's a trifle.  I doubt I've given much more than $100 up to this point.  I give in small dribs and smaller drabs.  It's what I can do.

Please, do what you can do.  I've never solicited donations for a candidate before.  Folks, we need to win this, and we need to broaden our horizons.  We should beat up on Barack Obama when he earns it, but we can't beat up on ourselves.

[Update]

FYI, this is actually what I expected of Barack Obama, and what I wanted from him. I'm not really crestfallen, but I see that many of you folks are.



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Tips? (2.00 / 6)

For kicking in and doing our part?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:48:16 PM EST

correction (none / 0)

"Don't LET the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good".

I love this quote. I have no idea who originally said it. But... pelosi and reid used it when they were talking about the "good" in the FISA bill. In other words, ignore the BAD and focus on the good.


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:56:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: correction (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the save.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Why do you need to win this, if Obama is moving far away from supporting anything you believe in?  If your cynical "this is as good as it gets" is true, why did you bother getting involved in the first place - to have your candidate take your vote for granted and do nothing to earn it, and encourage others to follow in your footsteps?

There are better ways to spend (or save) your money than by sending it to a candidate who makes you mad as hell because he doesn't stand up for your values.  Wow, if the netroots are going to stand for being an ATM machine for a candidate, and asking nothing in return.. I think that makes them suckers.


by daria g on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:02:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Could you tell me the name of one politician that agrees with you on every issue?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:08:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? (none / 0)

I only take questions that use basic logic.  Try again.


by daria g on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:09:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Meaning you can't.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:11:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We saw this diary (none / 0)

from politicsmatters last week man.


by Blazers Edge on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:49:20 PM EST

Re: We saw this diary (none / 0)

Well?  This one is mine.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:51:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We saw this diary (none / 0)

see below question please


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:03:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Feingold ain't (2.00 / 1)

perfect either; he voted for Roberts because of a personal friendship (would he have done that if Roberts would have moved the court to 5-4?).


by Blazers Edge on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 1)

Actually, I am following the KOS model, I am pissed about the Faith Based Initiative, so I am on hold with the wallet, till Obama does something to bring me out of my funk.

Trust me, it won't be too long, I'm sure.

I WOULD contribute to the Wes Clark for VP campaign, if I could. Loved seeing him take it to McCain this week.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:53:59 PM EST

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Why are you pissed about the faith based initiative?

Did you know that the constitution allows the government to give to private charities for social work?

Did you know that most social workers WELCOMED Bush's faith-based initiative?

Christ. I'm an agnostic but I could give a rip about this. But I'll tell you this: It's people like you who cause Democrats to lose in my state (Virginia).


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:00:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

please (2.00 / 1)

show me where IN the Constitution that it states ANYTHING like the following:

"the constitution allows the government to give to private charities for social work"


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:11:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Start with Engel v. Vitale (none / 0)

and go forward.  

And if you're going to go the strict textualist route, kiss Roe goodbye.  


by JJE on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:36:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heres the thing... (none / 0)

At one time the courts said it was OK for slavery and many other bad things.
Dred Scott v. Sanford.

These were all interpretations right?

So in many ways the same is happening here. Slowly we are letting more and more religion back into government and into the political and social decisions that are made by OUR government.

Do we always trust everything politicians and judges who act political say and do?

What is one of the main reasons we are fighting to get Obama elected? Is that so we can move the Supreme Court to the left? So we have less whack jobs making decisions that effect our lives?

maybe...?


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:46:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Heres the thing... (none / 0)

You asked a question and you got an answer.  It would be good of you to acknowledge that before going off on a tangent.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:50:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

thanks dad (none / 0)


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:00:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ya see (none / 0)

in a way I was acknowledging that "answer".


Washington Woman
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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well (none / 0)

I would actually say that there used to be a lot more religion/state mixture before the Warren court.  In the 19th Century nobody would have given a passing thought to the 10 Commandments posted in a classroom.  Then in the 60s-70s there were several decisions that more strictly enforced the separation principle, and then the past 20 years there has been a bit of a pushback against that.

But one thing that has been constant is that the government can fund religiously-affiliated programs under certain circumstances.

I agree that one reason to vote for Obama is to get more strict separation judges (though I think we'll see only Stevens retire in the next four years).  However, I don't think that even if the court shifted significantly left it would reverse the Vitale line of cases.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:45:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Which Constitution? (none / 0)

What clause of which Constitution says the government shall give to charitable organizations?

The Constitution of Religiomania?

And please show citations about all the happy social workers who jumped on the Bush Faith bandwagon.


by cuppajoe on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:15:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Ok that was a bit over the top, I apologize.

But I actually feel strongly that the faith-based program is like the least important thing...ever...

FISA is the real deal for many people (though I could care less myself).


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:01:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh my... (2.00 / 1)

"the faith-based program is like the least important thing...ever..."

Really? Taking more steps towards a theocracy/dictatorial government is OK with you?

hm.


Washington Woman
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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:13:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh my... (2.00 / 3)

Not every step in that direction is a bad one.  Not every step is the first (or second, or third) onto a slippery slope.

If these programs are effective, or more effective, in getting people off of drugs and so forth, then I say do it.

Regulation and oversight are absolutely necessary and I will not side idly by if President Obama were to push to use my tax dollars in a way that furthers proselytizing.  But if the organization can bifurcate itself such that those doing the work aren't "growing the brand" overtly, then I'm fine with it.

More than fine.  If they're helping people, and if they're doing a better job at something than the gov't is, or if they're doing a job the gov't isn't completing, then I say yes.

Only a fool turns down help when he needs it.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:18:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh my... (2.00 / 1)

Good post.

I am sure I am over-reacting to this, but look at how Obama got BURNED by Religion already?

Reverend Wright? HELLO?

I just am sick and tired of hearing "this is a christian nation" when what that means is

"It's a rich white fricking male dominated anti-women zenophobic" nation.

It's a hot button with me.

But, I'll temper my distaste, and understand, it helps in Virginia to GOTV.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:25:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I understand (none / 0)

what you are saying. But what are you going to do or say if another gdub gets in office and has his/her hands all over this new office?

What if it works so well (or they say it does) that they decide to move more and more things into the hands of "faith" or into the hands of one faith or into the hands of corporations?

slide.. slide.. slide.. slippery slide....


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:31:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh my... (none / 0)

Regulation and oversight means we will be spending even more tax dollars to watch over tax dollars that shouldn't be going to religious organizations anyway.

We will need a whole new bureaucracy to supervise and oversee -- this is nuts.

All those dollars could be spent by having the GOVERNMENT do what we are about to abdicate to religious groups.

Unbelievable.


by cuppajoe on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:20:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 4)

Actually, I at least KNOW why he had to compromise on FISA, Reid, Rockefeller, Feinstien, they all needed those bodies buried deep.

I'm PISSED about FBI because I have watched Dobson and Bauer and all the little Christainist parade IN and OUT of the Whitehouse and make Gay Marriage and Abortion THE DEFINATION of Morality?

I've watched the Catholic Church tell people NOT to vote for Kerry, but Wink and Nod at the King of the Death Penality, Bushy-Boy in Texas?

I'm sick of IDIOTS ramming crap like Intelligent design into a school system that can't teach Highschool math anymore?

Mostly I want these mothers FLUSHED from Politics.

Yeah, I hear you. I know why Obama is doing it.

But, I don't have to like it.

BTW, the bumper sticker is still  on the jeep, and I'm sure the wallet will open again soon.


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:15:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excellent! (none / 0)

You made many excellent points!

Good job!


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by kevin22262 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:33:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Awesome diary Reaper0bot0, and rec'd.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:54:58 PM EST

Is he actually moving to the center? (none / 0)

His issue page looks exactly the same.

There have been 2 little things amplified by the blogophere.

Yawn.


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:58:39 PM EST

Re: Is he actually moving to the center? (none / 0)

I know that.  It's really not that much at all, substantively.

But the reaction has been both hilarious and frightening.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is he actually moving to the center? (none / 0)

Ok as long as you acknowledge that then I'm rec'ing this.


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:02:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is he actually moving to the center? (none / 0)

Just out of curiosity, why comment if you simply think it is boring?


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:02:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (1.66 / 3)

I'm waiting, Reap, for the ultimate concession that Obama's New Politics is nothing more than the Old Politics with a good marketing campaign.   Your diary is the first fall back to the line of trenches in that direction.

If you take away the "New Politics" premise of Obama's campaign, especially if coupled with centrist drift, there's not anything special as a rationale for his candidacy.  

Face it, you've been had.  L-O-fucking-L.   The only thing that will be interesting is to see when exactly his various supporters come to the same conclusion.

Barack Obama:  Not As Bad As McCain.   Yeah, I can get behind that.   Not with as much enthusiasm as for Hillary, but it works for my vote.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:02:38 PM EST

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 1)

I give not one inch.  And I gladly return the bloody shirt you've dropped at my feet.

Barack Obama is doing what I expected him to do, and why I voted for him.  However, not everyone here sees this as I do.  As such, I calibrate my message.

For example, if I were trying to convince you I'd have to go monosyllabic.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:05:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 1)

"monosyllabic".  
Isn't that a kissing disease high school students pass onto each other?
Just kidding.  Found your reply very witty.  :)
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:37:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Tch.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:51:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Profound.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:57:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Whoops!  Make that one "deep."


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:58:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

not that i essentially agree.... (none / 0)

but i am uprating for ratings abuse.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 1)

Pardon me, I am trying not to respond to this sort of thing, but please tell me what is your point? I am almost certain that Reaper0bot0 is not directing this at you as you seem to have made up your mind at this point. However, I was very pleased to read the speech.

Oh the stuff about new and old politics is a bit silly isn't it? I mean at this point I am for whatever works to get as many Democrats elected, and at the same time, putting the hammer to all of the politicians. For crying out soft, do you think that Obama can wave his magic wand and fix all that ails the land? I don't. He was not my first choice but he is the only choice we have right now. And if you and I and Reaper0bot0 and Aliveandkicking and whoever else has an opinion about our country doesn't vote for Barack Obama, then sadly they are fools. And if they vote for McCain, then I do not understand them.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:15:10 PM EST

reaper - no one (i hope) expects perfection. (2.00 / 1)

but how about honesty?

i recall you saying a couple of weeks ago that you would be seriously livid unless BO did something about the FISA compromise.  well he didn't and neither did you.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:14:48 PM EST

Re: reaper - no one (i hope) expects perfection. (none / 0)

It ain't over yet.

I can be seriously livid and compartamentalize that lividity (if that's a word).

It's one issue of many.  I won't win them all.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:19:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

compartamentalize.... (none / 0)

this is the problem for me - there seems to be a lot cheerleading going on (not necessarily from you) rather than honest discussion about the issues.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:34:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reaper - no one (i hope) expects perfection. (none / 0)

Announcing that you're A-OK with losing and encouraging others to join you in losing, seems like a bad plan of action IMHO.


by daria g on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:05:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: reaper - no one (i hope) expects perfection. (none / 0)

Are you talking to me?


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:20:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

nope. (2.00 / 1)

but hi!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:15:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nope. (2.00 / 1)

Hi! Nice to see nice :-), been trolling around in snark all day.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:21:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nope. (2.00 / 1)

or is that snarking around in trolls


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:56:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is a great diary, really. Recommended. (2.00 / 3)

A logical and rational perspective -- the correct perspective. I'm just down about all this right now, though, and it's going to take me a few days (at least) to overcome my poor mood.

I'm not giving him any money right now. I don't have $10 to give away, and I just donated a couple of nights ago. Hopefully he'll do something to perk me up soon.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:46:11 PM EST

I don't have a problem.... (2.00 / 6)

...with Obama moving to the center for the GE.  
Doesn't bother me.  I want to win.

What annoys me is how Clinton was attacked for DLC triangulation and he is now doing what she was accused of doing.


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by psychodrew on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:15:03 PM EST

Re: I don't have a problem.... (none / 0)

exactly.  It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.


by slynch on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:46:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't have a problem.... (none / 0)

You do have a point about hypocrisy.  But I don't think most Obama supporters are really the starry-eyed purists were made out to be.  A lot of us don't believe he's anything more than a very good politician. And that's what we want.

It's a well worn strategy for politicians to appeal to their base to win the primary and move further to the center to broaden the electorate for the general.

I didn't really understand why Hillary was triangulating during the primary.  It wasn't that I cared about the ethics of it; it just didn't seem like a very good strategy.


by Tenafly Viper on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 04:46:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

I really kinda would like an answer from InigoMontoya.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:23:13 PM EST

I'm not surprised. I am disappointed (2.00 / 2)

that more folks didn't see Barack Obama for what he is - just another politician - and were taken in by his appearances to the contrary.  We could have had the better and stronger candidate in Hillary Clinton (in my opinion). But in a sense, Obama proved himself to be the savier pol than Clinton by creating a veneer of differentness.  

In any case, I agree with the poster.  At this point, we have a good politician and a good man in Barack Obama.  Let's not let our pinings for purity blind us from that fact, and the decidly more grim reality of John McCain.


by activatedbybush on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:36:13 PM EST

Re: Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 2)

I agree completely with the main theme of the diary. I have been saying this over and over again. There will never be a candidate that I agree with 100% of the time on 100% of the issues. Hell, I don't even agree with myself all the time.

There are things Obama has said that I don't agree with. There are issues that I don't like his stance on. FISA and faith-based are two of those.

The biggest disappointment with the FB issue is that I was hoping to have the practice abolished once we won the WH back. Now, I have to tell myself that at least this is a slight roll-back of a bad policy and not a brand-new one that I am against.

I am keeping my eye on the prize - Iraq/Iran, Supreme Court, Health Care, Torture. These are the most important issues to me. McCain is wrong on every one of those issues. Obama is not. It's really that simple.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 10:56:36 PM EST

Re: Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (2.00 / 1)

Bravo. Good diary


by NY Writer on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:43:30 PM EST

Re: Don't Let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good (none / 0)

Barack isn't perfect, but neither were any of our other candidates - even my preferred Hillary.

As mentioned above, he is our nominee and a damn sight better than McCain. So Obama gets our votes. There should be no question.

I really don't think a candidate can get elected nowadays by over pandering to any segment of his base. The candidate has to have wide appeal to win and oftentimes that means taking very centrist positions. I'm not surprised he's moving there. Disappointed a little, sure, but not surprised as activatedbybush, just above, also pointed out.

One thing, though. I find it ironic that Hillary was chastised for her AUMF vote during the nominating process even though her impassioned floor speech prior to the vote clearly explained she wanted every avenue of diplomacy exhausted before such action was taken.

Now, Barack has voted for a FISA bill that grants immunity to the telcos and the vote is explained away by the "good" things in that sad bill.

The truth is though, that Barack could no more afford to be seen voting against America and for the terrorists this year than Hillary could have afforded being seen voting against America and for the terrorists back in 2002.

Welcome to the club, Senator Obama.

Ironic, indeed.


by RickWn on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:51:23 PM EST

There we go (2.00 / 1)

I made my donation.  Has anyone else?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:54:09 PM EST

Just Once... (none / 0)

...can we have a democrat that isn't afraid to be a democrat. This is what the repugs really hit us on...standing for nothing! They go to the mat with even the most outrageous candidates and campaigns and win. We immediately start fearing what the vast mindless middle will think....and in reality they have no ideology, they just want someone who can lead. Every time a dem backs down from a principle we lose. It's not just about having all of our progressive dreams for filled, it's about having an effing spine! That's what leadership is. Obama should be a roadblock to telecom immunity. It would show that he is a leader, not another Kerry, Reid, Pelosi or Dukakis.

I sent money to Edwards and Hillary...and I so want to believe that Obama isn't going to wimp out so I can send him a check too....

I'll probably send money...but I'd sure like it not to be down a rathole.


John McCain: Country Club First!
by demwords on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:22:45 AM EST


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