Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters

The more we work to defeat this horrible candidate the less traction we seem to be able to get. It's time we reviewed some of our tactics and discussed new, more effective ones. During the primary, we tried to paint him as an inexperienced, ineffective liberal. That didn't seem to work. The fools voted for him anyway. It's time for something new.

The biggest problem we are having is that Barry won't stand still and let us smear him. We'll make up a new smear about him, like throwing Clark under the bus and then he'll do or say something that makes us look stupid. Well, I'm tired of looking stupid. Aren't you?

At first, we tried to say he was weak. Then he built a powerful campaign machine that beat Hillary, so our "he's too weak" claims had to be discarded. The next step was to claim he was "too good of a politician". That gave him too much credit so our new claim is that he is a 'typical' politician who was schooled in the rough-and-tumble Chicago school of politics. Please stay with this meme until we can come up with a new one.

We tried to scare the voters by pointing out he is a black man. An angry, black man. When that didn't seem to scare people enough we switched to saying he isn't black enough. Even Nader said this. I think our new tactic should be that he is both white and black, but that he has the worst of both races and none of the good. When some of the bigots on our side complain about saying there is anything good about blacks or anything bad about whites tell them that saying this is only a tactic and that we don't really mean it.

Religion has been a big deal in recent elections, which is why we tried to play that card against Obama. Even on this, he's so skinny and makes such a poor target that we couldn't hit him with a no-brainer like religion.

I think part of the problem we are having with this tactic is because we are contradicting each other. One person will try to paint him as a Muslim, because his father was a lapsed Muslim and at the same time, someone else on our side will claim he is a secret practitioner of black liberation theology, which is Christian. At the same time, some on our side are claiming he isn't a Christian or Muslim. The claim is that he is an atheist who is only using religion as a political tool. We are sending out conflicting messages.

None of those claims seem to be having an effect so I say it's time we came together on one claim. I think we should call him a Chrismuslithist. That will cover all bases. People won't know what it means, but they will realize that he "isn't one of us".

During the primary, we tried to paint him as a far-left, radical liberal. We made up stories and pointed to stances he has taken on the issues that were left-of-center. Our Republican and neo-con friends, like Rush (don't  ya just love him!), helped push this theme. Unfortunately, it didn't scare off enough voters. I guess too many people were actually paying attention to what Obama was saying to buy into the 'flaming liberal' claim. It's time to shift gears, as we have so many times in this election cycle.

The new meme is that he is not liberal enough. This is kind of like the "not black enough" tactic. If we push this hard enough, maybe we can scare some liberals into voting for McCain instead. After all, McCain is a moderate if you ignore his record on women's issues, foreign affairs, the economy, Supreme Court appointments, etc... Let's keep complaining that Obama is a centrist in the mold of Bill Clinton. Now stay on message. Run to the progressive web sites every time Obama proves he's not a radical and start screaming out the new message.

We've made fools of ourselves far too many times in this election. It's time we got our message straight. Here's the new meme. Use any or all parts of it when posting on progressive sites. You don't need to post it on the good sites, like noquarter or puma.org since we all get it already.

Here it is: Obama is a radical, leftist, liberal, neo-con, Chrismuslithist, black/white, Bill Clinton clone. Get it straight.

Hillary2012 (or McCain 2008, whichever floats your boat)!!!!!!



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If Only (2.00 / 4)

Engels would post more diaries, all would be good.


by parahammer on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 04:54:37 PM EST

Re: If Only (2.00 / 3)

A day without an Engle's diary is like a day without caffeine.

And I live in SEATTLE!


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:10:15 PM EST
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Re: If Only (2.00 / 1)

I'd be thrilled if I could only be half as funny as engles.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:16:20 PM EST
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759 Words! (2.00 / 1)


considering the subject I have to say: Wow!
by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 04:55:44 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 4)

ROTFLMAO!!!! You diabolical geniuses...

I feel my will to vote Obama.... weakening... Nope, still voting for him!


TANSTAAFL
by Terminus on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 04:59:35 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 2)

Darn, and I so hoped I could change your mind.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:08:57 PM EST
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Anger redirection (2.00 / 2)


I hear you, your are upset at Obama, maybe he isn't as progressive as you hoped.

Unable to admit it you attack someone, the hillary supporters in this case (It's not about Hillary anymore, but it must feel good).

Call the Whabulance.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:01:05 PM EST

Re: Anger redirection (2.00 / 2)

Upset at Obama? Nope.

Attack Hillary supporters? Nope - attack Obama haters. Big difference.

TaiChiMaster getting something right? Nope. Oh well, probably too much to hope for.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:10:53 PM EST
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Re: Anger redirection (2.00 / 1)


TaiChiMaster cares what you think? Nope.
by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Anger redirection (2.00 / 2)

Cute. You just reinforced the point I made in the diary. Twists and turns, flip-flopping all the way. You comment on my diary, trying to tell people what I was thinking and then one comment later say you don't care what I was thinking. Which is it?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:33:33 PM EST
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Now you are writing sentences now? (2.00 / 1)

How about the nope stuff? I was enjoying it.

TaiChiMaster convinced by your last argument? Nope.


by TaiChiMaster on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:37:27 PM EST
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Re: Now you are writing sentences now? (2.00 / 2)

TaiChiMaster contributes something useful?  Nope.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:54:50 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 2)

yawn.  759 words...almost went to sleep.

You can do better, not your best work.  C grade.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:01:16 PM EST

sorry... (2.00 / 2)

but fail.

you lost me with the clark thing at the beginning.  obviously - smears are ridonkulous and am with you fully there - but to bring in the clark thing, which is completely valid - not so much.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:04:43 PM EST

Re: sorry... (2.00 / 2)

CG, how do you see the Clark thing as being valid? I'm afraid you lost me there. Clark says something on TV. The next day Obama supports Clark's right to say that while warning his supporters to not denigrate McCain's service. Since that's not what Clark did the warning doesn't apply to him.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:12:38 PM EST
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personally.... (2.00 / 1)

i saw it as more of the dirt flinging ad feigning innocence we saw during the primary.  (which in the this case - since its targeted at mccain i have far less of a probelm with) but come on now - you can see how people would be upset in as much as how clark is taking major heat for something he shouldn't have.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:23:42 PM EST
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Re: personally.... (2.00 / 3)

Did you hear Obama's statement supporting Clark? Have you seen the reception Clark is getting on most of the news shows? It's all positive that I can see. The only ones still trying to spin it are the McCain camp and the right-wing. I take that back. Some of the Obama haters on the left are also trying to spin it.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:26:00 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 4)

Snark is good. Well done and very funny.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:10:33 PM EST

Whos bringing the 3-Layer Dip? (2.00 / 3)

Hey, is there going to be enough room for us in Harriets walk-up?  

Or do we need to get a conference room at the Holiday Inn?

And, is it BYOB again?  Last time I brought it, some of the other PUMA's drank all the Stolli and didn't even pay me back?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:16:32 PM EST

I've got two words for the likes of you.... (2.00 / 1)

too funny :)


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:38:03 PM EST

I'm tired of looking stupid, say you... (2.00 / 6)

You're not a true PUMA.

A true PUMA never tires of looking stupid.


by french imp on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:46:27 PM EST

Re: I'm tired of looking stupid, say you... (none / 0)

Some of them seem to be making a career out of it?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:06:16 PM EST
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PUMA's = Judean People's Front (2.00 / 2)

The only people we hate more than the Romans Republicans are the fucking Judean People's Front Obama supporters.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 2)

And this diary represents change, hope, inspiration, a new tone, and an end to divisive, negative politics how?


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:14:04 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 1)

It doesn't.  It is a joke.  

Why do you give a shit what Obama haters think?


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:15:34 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 3)

Republicans have never been renowned for their sense of humor.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:18:24 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 1)

Theres the understatement of the day.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:29:00 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Didn't quit get this diary, huh?

Sarcasm in the written word isn't always recognizable.


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:02:03 PM EST
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Ding ding ding! (2.00 / 1)

There's Juno, predictable as the sunrise, saying one of the three things it knows how to say.  Here I'll cover the rest:

Obama is like Bush and Obamans are just like Bush followers.

Obama is a flip-flopper.


by JJE on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 07:26:03 PM EST
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Re: Ding ding ding! (none / 0)

Yes, you attack someone a la the old politics, but you don't answer the question.

Care to do so?


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:01:25 PM EST
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It can't n/t (none / 0)


by Coldblue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 09:09:22 PM EST
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Sure (none / 0)

this diary is not "new politics".  Nor does it embody hope and change.  I'm guessing this diarist is not Barack Obama.

Happy now?  What point do you think you are making by beating this drum relentlessly?


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:26:34 AM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

this diary is not "new politics"
I never said I was into "new politics". That's Obama's thing.

I'm guessing this diarist is not Barack Obama.
Wow! Good guess.

What point do you think you are making by beating this drum relentlessly?
Showing how most of the attacks and smears thrown at Obama are really silly and how those who are against him keep flip-flopping on their message. Get it now?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:32:22 AM EST
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I was responding to Juno (none / 0)

We agree on the first two points, and the drum I was referring to is Juno's not yours.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:39:18 AM EST
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Re: I was responding to Juno (none / 0)

MSO1 thought he/she was responding to me.

btw, I disagree with MS01, but I do not call him/her an "it", based purely on my knowledge that he/she is a human being, and it is demeaning and wrong to refer to people as "its".

I knew that even w/o Obama's inspiration.  You did not even with it!

Funny that.


by Juno on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:48:39 AM EST
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Re: I was responding to Juno (none / 0)

Yeah, I get that now. I thought I was responding to someone supporting Juno. I thought it was strange, given you comment history. Oh well, bet it's not the last time I make a mistake.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:12:52 AM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

So you are saying, as have I, that Obama cannot in fact inspire change.

Got it.


by Juno on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:46:37 AM EST
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Does not (none / 0)

in this diarist.  Not the same as "cannot".  I'm not interested in "inspiring change".  I'm just interested in changing executive policy.  Perhaps you should pay less attention to slogans and more attention to policy.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:47:49 AM EST
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Re: Ding ding ding! (none / 0)

Just curious:

Your referring to human being as "it", does that come from the new-found appreciation for faith or from all that hope and change and inspiration Obama is spreading across the land?


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:06:36 PM EST
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It comes from (none / 0)

me not knowing whether you are male or female.  I'll use s/he in the future.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:24:11 AM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 1)

This must be like the sudden liking of a faith based gov't. program by people who were against it prior: it's different if Obama does it.

So yes, division and rancor and negative attack politics are fine, even humorous, so long as it comes from the Obama side of things, but otherwise, it's really, really bad.

I think I'm finally getting the Obama phenomenon!


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:05:07 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

I doubt it, Juno. I think you probably have a hard time getting anything.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:07:42 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Ah yes, more of that now famous Obama inspiration, I see.

All you do is on your own indicate that Obama's words are meaningless and that he cannot in fact affect change, even among his own supporters.

Or is it that, as I said in another post, it's different when Obamans practice the old politics of personal attacks and nastiness and it is everyone else who must change?

Feel free to explain it for me. I admit I don't get it.


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

It would be a waste of time trying to explain it. You have proven long before now that you don't want to get it. That's exactly why you don't get it.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:39:17 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Translation: you can't.


by Juno on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:42:52 PM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Do you have any other lines? Seriously. In this diary alone you've reapeated the same thing countless times. Get over yourself!


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:52:34 AM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (2.00 / 1)

I see. More of that Obama hope thing. If he can't make his supporters change how can I expect this "new politics" from him?


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:53:37 AM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Correct. I've yet to get an answer.

I do keep getting PERSONALLY attacked, a la the old, negative, divisive politics, I think in order to avoid actually having my question answered.

Funny how Obama supporters avoid those questions at all cost...and ironically, with personal attacks!

Please, by all means, explain for me how this diary and these responses are evidence of a new, Obama-inspired politic.

Needless to say, I will not hold my breath.


by Juno on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:45:38 AM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

So unless every single thing done and said by Obama and the most obscure supporter of his on the 'Net can be seen as some form of "new politics" you think nothing has changed? Or is it that you just want to find any little thing to gripe about?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:21:45 AM EST
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Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

"This must be like the sudden liking of a faith based gov't. program by people who were against it prior: it's different if Obama does it."

Actually, what I have seen is a split, more then half of the Obama folks are pissed as hell about the Faith based stuff, including Kos who is hoping mad?

But, don't let reality stand in the way of your usual trash obama paridigm.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:07:30 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

this diary made my day, thank you!!!


by Dog Chains on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:21:03 PM EST

Re: Strategy Meeting for all Obama haters (none / 0)

Well seeing as all of your attacks failed, there is only one solution to your problem.

To find out the solution you have to first identify the problem.

As you noted above:

you Obama haters have tried to make him out to bee too far left, then too far right only to have this idea backfire and people continue to flock to his campaign.

You've said he's too black, and too white only to have this idea backfire and people continue to flock to his campaign.

You've said hes a Muslim, and then a Christian only to have this idea backfire and people continue to flock to his campaign.

You've impuned the people around him to show how radical he is only to have this idea backfire and people continue to flock to his campaign.

on and on it went only to have this idea backfire and people continue to flock to his campaign.

What is the commonality, is it the contradictions? NO.  It's that YOU said it.

The only way you can convince people to reject Obama, I'm afraid, is to embrace him.

That's right, go on the blogs, call your friends and neighbors, tell everyone that you are supporting Obama, because everything you have supported ends up being a lost cause!

The point is simple:  REAL Obama haters will SUPPORT Obama because they always support lost causes.  All the rest of you are FAKE Obama haters and should be called out at every possible turn!


by Why Not on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:26:10 PM EST


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