In Defence of the New Yorker [Update]

For all that has been said on the subject of the recent New Yorker cover, and there has been plenty, it seems that an essential point has somehow been missed even though the respective positions have been clearly and repeatedly stated.  As a long time reader and regular subscriber of the New Yorker, and living in Australia that is no mean feat, I find the arguments, never mind the considerable angst and hand-wringing over them, faintly amusing on several counts.  The cover is perfectly in keeping with the it's long-standing editorial role on the New Yorker as a cultural commentary on American infelicities, urban mythology and frivolousness and in some ways it would seem an abrogation of their unstated duty to have shirked from featuring it in all it's unadulterated ridicule.  I expect nothing less of them.

Firstly, the muted outrage from the left seems more reflexive than reflective, which exposes one of the flaws of that faction which the blogosphere has done nothing to temper.  Sure, we are all committed to redoubling our efforts to counter the historically real threat to progressive values represented by the popular calumnies of the Republican Right but seriously folks, doesn't our disapprobation of this incident expose a fear of the Right-wing message which imbues it with just a wee bit too much validity as a substantial threat to our political process?:


What's that they say about repeating a rumor?

Presumably the New Yorker readership is sophisticated enough to get the joke, but still: this is going to upset a lot of people, probably for the same reason it's going to delight a lot of other people, namely those on the right: Because it's got all the scare tactics and misinformation that has so far been used to derail Barack Obama's campaign -- all in one handy illustration. Anyone who's tried to paint Obama as a Muslim, anyone who's tried to portray Michelle as angry or a secret revolutionary out to get Whitey, anyone who has questioned their patriotism -- well, here's your image.

Rachel Sklar - Yikes! Controversial New Yorker Cover Shows Muslim, Flag-Burning, Osama-Loving, Fist-Bumping Obama Huffington Post 13 July 08

Really?  This is the cultural evidence and rallying point for the whispered campaign of fear-mongering and character assassination emanating from under the rotten woodwork of our political process?  One was hoping vainly it would be so and that at least a few would walk out onto this thin ice when, lo and behold, some Republicans actually embraced it as just such a thing.  And that's the second point, the response from the Right is positively ludicrous, exposing them as the self-parodied caricature we always tended to suspect they were.  No amount of mirth over the original cover can compare with the deliciously ironic humour one enjoys at responses such as this, emphasis added:


"Sum Of Our Fears?" asks one conservative website, approvingly re-printing the controversial New Yorker cover of the Obamas. "I chuckled upon first glance and thought, 'Yup, that about sums up how I feel about the Obamessiah and his ilk.' ...Evidently the artist did the drawing to sum up all 'conservative' fears of this man. The artist is correct. But I don't call them fears.  They are concerns.  The picture shows all things we now [know] to be true about them - except the picture above the fireplace."

Jake Tapper - Obama Opponents Seize New Yorker Cover ABC 14 Jul 08

The 'picture shows all things we now know to be true about them?'  Surely this is an indefensibly ridiculous position which would be laughed off the stage by any remotely sane audience, political affiliation notwithstanding.  A 'bridge too far' for the ideologically challenged Republican noise machine?  One can only assume so.  For Republicans to seize on this as evidence in support of some of their more flabbergastingly ridiculous narratives about a sober nominee for the US presidency and his good wife strikes one as the kind of manoeuvre which precedes a complete and embarrassing collapse of the entire edifice.  We'll see.  I tend to think the editors of the New Yorker have unwittingly set a more tender trap for the most egregious purveyors of this nonsense than they may have originally intended.

My defence of the New Yorker rests on the twin pillars of faith in the good sense of the American public to know the lampooning of an absurd tautology when they see it, and perhaps we tend to underestimate them somewhat with our reflexive and unflinching advocacy, and a belief in the necessity of having some cultural artefacts to inform future archaeologists that, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, we really didn't take seriously some of the more pitifully stupid notions that seem to preoccupy the greater part of our national debates when far greater issues, which are no laughing matter whatsoever, loom ominously before us.

[Update]: A portion of the response of New Yorker editor-in-chief David Remnick in an interview with Jake Tapper (thanks to NYWriter for the link), on the reaction of the Obama campaign:

"I wish they understood it for what it was, but I can’t sit here and adjust what I do with an editor any more than ABC should adjust what it does as a network to please a political campaign." Remnick added that when he heard senior Obama adviser David Axelrod this morning "talking about it, he said, 'Did I like the cover? No. Am I very upset about it? No. I’m much more upset about real issues in the country.' That to me, that to me seemed like a sensible disagreement."

Jake Tapper - New Yorker Editor David Remnick Talks to ABC News About Cover Controversy ABC 14 Jul 08

And, at last, a credible insight:

What's actually happening, I think, is that the New Yorker is a physical institution that can be criticized, while the e-mail forwards and talk radio whispers actually fueling these rumors -- in their believable, not their cartoon, forms -- won't stand still long enough to be subject to public opprobrium.

Ezra Klein - That New Yorker Cover The American Prospect 14 Jul 08

There had to be at least one.  Oh, and just for the record, in line with this observation “If you can’t do irony on the cover of The New Yorker,” asked Bill Maher, “where can you do it?” the LAT seems to think we are suffering from an 'irony deficiency.'  Ouch.



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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (2.00 / 4)

And I'm also amused that apparently no outraged progressive commentators seemed insightful enough to perceive the obvious caricature of Michelle as a 1970 Black Panther Angela Davis.  Let's see the Republicans run with that.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:15:52 PM EST

Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (2.00 / 4)

Exactly.  You've got Michelle as Angela Davis (with a large automatic with lots of ammo), a flag burning in the fireplace, a fist bump, a picture of Osama bin Laden on the wall and Barack dressed as a Muslim.  I find it odd that anyone who thought about it for a few moments wouldn't see exactly what this is.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:20:24 PM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (none / 0)

Yeah, but he got the ammunition pouches all wrong.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 05:06:42 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (2.00 / 4)

I was beginning to think I was alone out there on this issue.  Personally, I think TNY cover was brilliant.  As Mike Mallloy just said on the radio, it's a giant "kick in the crotch" to the wingnuts. This is what TNY is all about.  I have no doubt that regular readers understood it immediately. And if those of us on the left look at the cover carefully, it becomes quite clear what the point is.  It's titled "The Politics of Fear", after all.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:16:44 PM EST

Outrage, outrage, outrage!! (none / 0)

"that's all I ever hear -- outrage!"

I'm with you -- really, some folks simply hyperventilate because they like inhaling their own breath from the brown paper bags.  

They are starting to redefine "righteous indignation" into "ridiculous indignation".


by dcrolg on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:33:51 PM EST
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New Yorker is bullsh1tting (2.00 / 1)

They are trying to sell magazines, nothing more nothing less. The media has been pushing the story of the Muslim rumours for this very reason - it sensationalizes something that only a lunatic fringe believe.

Think about this. A Rasmussen survey, from 2007 I believe, found that 22% of Americans believe that George Bush had knowledge of the 9/11 attacks before they actually occurred. Compare this with only 10% of Americans that believe that Obama is a muslim. How often did we hear stories about the fact that 1/5 of all Americans apparently believed that Pres. Bush allowed the 9/11 attacks to proceed. Now, those people are just as crazy as those who would believe that, contrary to all evidence, that Obama is a Muslim bent on the US' destruction. How many satirical pieces did we see about the 9/11 conspirators by the New Yorker, or any other major media source? How many articles by major media sources did we see about why it is that upwards of 60,000,000 people apparently believe that the President of the US was privy to information that led to the death of thousands of Americans?

The reason they didn't report on this story is because it was so demonstrably false. I cannot remember a time when the major/mainstream media has been so insistent on giving so much airtime to information that is proven false about a major candidate. This would be like the USA Today reporting on the wingnuts allegations that the Clinton's were drug kingpins and routinely killed anyone that was a political inconvenience. It would be the same as Time doing regular reports on allegations that McCain was brainwashed by Soviet psychologists and is serving as some sort of Manchurian candidate. It's complete and utter bullshit.


by highgrade on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:18:48 PM EST

Re: New Yorker is bullsh1tting (2.00 / 4)

Well firstly I doubt very much that the news-stand sales of the New Yorker account for a very large part of their readership, so that doesn't seem a credible premise.  I wonder if the print run for this issue was any more or less than their seasonally adjusted volume.

And if you actually read the New Yorker you might find that it is one of the few outlets that combines a high degree of credibility with in depth reporting, some of which has been going against the grain of American conventional wisdom for years and much of which is correspondingly newsworthy.  The Annals of National Security by Seymour Hersh spring readily to mind but there are many others.

No, sorry, this isn't USA Today we are talking about here.  And it was the cover, which may be dark or frivolous, but is almost always a sardonic  tweaking of our collective, self-righteous folly.  To suggest that this is an attempt to capitalise on the deplorable state of our political process rather than to hold up a mirror to it seems to me to miss the point altogether.

What are the alternatives?  Don't let me hear progressives start talking about 'self-censorship' of what is essentially a progressive journal of record, in that case I'll start getting cranky, didactic and declamatory.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:37:46 PM EST
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Re: New Yorker is bullsh1tting (none / 0)

Where did you get the 10% number?  Newsweek has a new poll out that show the number is 26%, almost 3 times your number.  That's foolishness which is worth lampooning.

Twelve percent of voters surveyed said that Obama was sworn in as a United States senator on a Qur'an, while 26 percent believe the Democratic candidate was raised as a Muslim and 39 percent believe he attended a Muslim school as a child growing up in Indonesia. None of these things is true.

Those numbers are astonishing to me, and these batshit crazy ideas need to be shown for what they are.

This would be like the USA Today reporting on the wingnuts allegations that the Clinton's were drug kingpins and routinely killed anyone that was a political inconvenience. It would be the same as Time doing regular reports on allegations that McCain was brainwashed by Soviet psychologists and is serving as some sort of Manchurian candidate. It's complete and utter bullshit.

Neither the Clinton or McCain comparison works, because I doubt you could find even 5% of people who would believe either of those things.  But plenty of people clearly do believe that Obama is a secret Muslim.  It doesn't matter that news organization after news organization has debunked it repeatedly, the idea persists.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:22:46 PM EST
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Re: New Yorker is bullsh1tting (none / 0)

It's a shocker, isn't it.  But I'm guessing it's a thinly veiled stalking point for a more obvious but politically incorrect prejudice about Senator Obama that some people who oppose him are unwilling to articulate.  Just my two bob on the subject.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:54:12 PM EST
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The cover (1.00 / 1)

as social commentary is brilliant but I think Osama and Michelle don't really belong in the image.

And depicting Michelle as a black nationalist is kind of a reach. Aside from her comment about being proud for the first time...she hasn't done or said anything to be caricatured as a black nationalist. The radical and questionable associates the couple have are Baracks and not hers so why is she the nationalist and not he?


by LatinoVoter on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:43:11 PM EST

Re: The cover (2.00 / 1)

Well I think the point is that neither Barack nor Michelle are actually the objects of satire in this case, quite the contrary.  That might be proving a bit of a stretch for most commentators but says more about our collective visual sophistication in the age of 'dumbed-down' cable news and WYSIWYG journalism than it does about the editorial intent of the New Yorker.

I must admit I find it a bit scary, like a dying canary in a mine, that what is bloody obvious to me is categorically missed by most commentators in the mainstream, the Right and the Left.  I think we have to retain the high moral ground in our struggle against conservatism and I'm concerned that we are ceding it for the sake of the kind of food-fights we have become accustomed to fighting with the Republican noise machine.  We are losing some of our distinguishing characteristics, in my opinion, such as discernment and subtlety.  Not to mention our collective sense of humour.  Now we're taking on all comers at the drop of a pin, intent notwithstanding.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:56:24 PM EST
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This diary is extremely well written... (2.00 / 2)

...and a brilliant overview of the matter, too!

In fact, it's about 20% to 30% as brilliant (and that's "Mensa-level" brilliant, IMHO) as the New Yorker cover and the story behind it.

This New Yorker cover and story is nothing short of awesome, generationally-defining stuff! And, I'm sure this cover art will be part of the definitive visual history of our times for centuries to come.

Any Progressive Dem that expresses outrage at this is either from Mars, needs a few extra layers of skin, or their IQ is lower than the outdoor temperature on the first Tuesday in November.

But, then again, what percentage of the voting population of this country still thinks we entered into the war in Iraq to fight terrrorists back in 2003?


by bobswern on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:52:02 PM EST

Excellent diary! I am in total agreement (2.00 / 1)

on all counts. I await the mass production of tee-shirts with this very same image adorned upon the idiot wingnuts who will buy this crap. Now, if the New Yorker would have only printed a cartoon of John Kerry standing on the bow of his Swiftboat shooting a wounded Vietcong teenager in the back as he ran away, we may have never had pResident Bush.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:11:50 PM EST

I'll be damned (none / 0)

You guys really do spell defense "defence."

I had to look that one up to believe it.

"Humour" instead of "humor" I'm fine with, but I'm sorry, "defence" is just wrong.

;-)


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:31:30 PM EST

Re: I'll be damned (none / 0)

Yeah, I have an Anglicised spell-check dictionary and it causes me no end of embarrassment blogging here, not to mention bringing out the lexical 'nativists' in high dudgeon from time-to-time.  I often ask the smart-alecky, literary types here in Australia why they don't spell 'size' as 'sise' when they get stroppy about the Americanisation of English.  Sheesh.  There's no pleasing anybody these days.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:43:52 PM EST
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Between MyDD and DKos, (none / 0)

this is definitely the best diary I've read on the subject, by far. Props.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:46:04 PM EST

Re: Between MyDD and DKos, (none / 0)

I noticed you have been referenced on this thread http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDi ary.do?diaryId=245

They are acting very condescending towards you.

Speaking of some people not getting the joke, people on Alegres Corner seem to take the cartoon at face value and these are supposedly Democrats(even if they are super bitter democrats).


by Pravin on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:54:44 AM EST
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Ah, yes, (none / 0)

PUMAs don't tend to like me. I'm a traitor, you see. They're off on my age, but not by much. They like to use it as evidence that I'm too young to know better.

Actually, a couple of them were more charitable than I expected. How can you stand to lurk over there? Doesn't it annoy the hell out of you?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:07:57 AM EST
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Re: Ah, yes, (none / 0)

I just went there a couple of times. I like to know how different sets of people feel. Even if they are wacko, sometimes you will get something that is a valid point in these kind of sites. I get bored of echochambers.


by Pravin on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:12:03 AM EST
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Editor of the NY'er defends cover (none / 0)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politic s/2008/07/14/tsr.remnick.newyorker.cnn?i ref=videosearch


by NY Writer on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:55 PM EST

Re: Editor of the NY'er defends cover (none / 0)

I thought his defence was also thoughtful but didn't particularly address the outrage de jour aspects of the liberal blogosphere's generic response.  Thanks for the link.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:59:08 PM EST
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This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

You aren't alone in defending that cover, as the commenters here and in DKos threads the other day demonstrate.

One can imagine other ways this historical African American couple might be depicted to satirize various stupid beliefs that still exist in too large a fraction of American society.  Assuming it is done in the vein of satire (like this cover), do you think you can imagine any cover illustration of Barack and Michelle that you would find too ugly/boorish to be considered good satire - or the uglier the better to make the point?


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:57:37 PM EST

Re: This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

Well, maybe it's the water in NY, and that's pretty unlikely since I haven't actually lived there in years, but I didn't find the depiction of Barack and Michelle particularly ugly or boorish in this instance, quite the contrary I get the impression that this cover is actually supporting them in a sardonic but credible way.  As to your question I certainly can imagine an ill-conceived, ugly and/or boorish depiction which I would deplore with the same enthusiasm that this one has been derided, but I would hope I had the discernment to get the point if there was any.

In this case it seems to me that whatever ugliness or boorishness there was regarding this cover was in the narrative that the illustration so blatantly satirised, and which has been so inappropriately projected on our nominee and his spouse, and hopefully our next First Couple.  


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:13:50 AM EST
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Re: This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

Yes, I think you and others make a good case, with regard to this cover. I was just curious whether your defense of satire was sweeping, or fairly specific to this case.  Your answer settles my curiosity!


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:23:11 AM EST
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Re: This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

Well, in general it's pretty sweeping, frankly.  I thought Lenny Bruce was the bee's knees.  I just think the New Yorker cover was completely, almost wilfully, misconstrued by folks who should be expected to know better.  And it seems to be an emerging ethos of our 'take no prisoners' struggle with the Right that we are tending towards shootin' 'em all and letting God sort 'em out.  We are better than that, and have better senses of humour, too.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:29:11 AM EST
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Re: This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

by folks who should be expected to know better

Well... What I find myself thinking, the more I think about this, is that I don't how I'd feel in every other person's shoes. I can imagine some Muslim Americans being disturbed or disheartened to see a respected American magazine even satirically (Obama of course isn't Muslim) suggest that Muslim Americans are loyal or sympathetic to a mass-murderer like Osama bin Laden.  In other words, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder, and as you've acknowledged, you can imagine satirical images that would piss you off.  If someone dismissed your reaction with a "Tut-tut, don't you have a sense of humor?!", well, I'm guessing you wouldn't find that persuasive.


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:15:39 AM EST
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Re: This is an interesting subject (none / 0)

Probably not, and your well taken point about the sensibilities of Muslims is oft overlooked in our somewhat insular debate on the subject of Obama's antecedents and affiliations on both sides of the political spectrum.  But the folks who should be expected to know better to which I was referring are the commentators in the blogosphere and the mainstream media who 'piled on' to this story with enthusiasm, disdain or faux outrage.  Apologies for ambiguity, I certainly don't profess to judge 'every other person' on this issue, they are entitled to whatever opinions they choose, and more power to them.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:23:40 AM EST
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you're right of course, but... (none / 0)

I don't have any problem with the way the campaign formally reacted to it either.  

The campaign has to communicate to and try to persuade a much broader audience than readers of The New Yorker or the blogosphere.  Getting 65,000,000 million people to vote for a candidate like Obama is no small task.  In my opinion, they could not have ignored it or laughed it off.  

As an aside, the Lizza article is terrific.  It shows how talented Obama is at threading the needle, how lucky he has been and his nearly impeccable sense of timing.  
 


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:00:05 AM EST

Re: you're right of course, but... (none / 0)

I completely agree, under the circumstances I don't see how the campaign could have done otherwise.  The blogosphere, however, well...


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:44:36 AM EST
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Re: you're right of course, but... (none / 0)


By 2001, if there was any maxim from community organizing that Obama lived by, it was the Realpolitik commandment of Saul Alinsky, the founding practitioner of community organizing, to operate in "the world as it is and not as we would like it to be."

Ryan Lizza - Making It: How Chicago Shaped Obama The New Yorker 21 Jul 08

Yazzah.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:08:20 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (none / 0)

The campaign should have not been so outraged by the content, but the placement. They should have said "we appreciate a good satire, but we feel that placing it on the cover would rob the cartoon of the context to the average browser in a store.


by Pravin on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:56:25 AM EST

Re: In Defence of the New Yorker (none / 0)

Well, with the New Yorker a cover is a cover.  Guess it's a local thing.  That link to Alegre's Corner was positively scary.  Sigh.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 03:58:18 AM EST
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PUMA wackos take cartoon at face value (none / 0)

http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDi ary.do?diaryId=245


by Pravin on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:59:58 AM EST

Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

I laughed when I saw this because I thought it did a good job capturing Michelle Obama's expression from one of my favorite campaign photos of them.  I was reacting to the juxtaposition of Michelle in "terrorist" gear.

I don't think the New Yorker owes anyone apologies and yet the Obama campaign did what they needed to.  I also am weary of this "outrage du jour" phenomenon going on.  It seems like the left blogosphere has some kind of adrenaline addiction that needs to get fed by these petty incidents.  (Read Al Giordano on this also.)

However, there are many people of little imagination in this great country and many more with absolutely no ability to read or view anything beyond literal fact.  That means the people that get it will laugh and those that don't will not be enlightened by the satire or will misuse the image for their own purposes.

So while I don't think this is a big deal, I think your two pillars are suspect.  The large majority of Americans wanted to invade Iraq.  The MSM from which most of them get their sole sources of information led them to it.  Obama (and I) can trust Americans to do the right thing when they know the truth, but complex truths and even not so subtle satire elude WAY too many Americans.

So, when archeologists dig all this paper up centuries from now will they view the following as a factual map of the continent, an account of how New Yorkers dismiss the rest of the country or a satire on New Yorkers' self absorption and narrow perspective?


by Satya on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 11:09:09 AM EST

Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

Appreciate your perspective, of course, but I still have faith in the American people to tell chalk from cheese, that seems one of the credos of his campaign, really.  And as for the archaeologists, well, we wouldn't want them to think we took all this too seriously, would we?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:35:28 PM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

that seems one of the credos of his campaign, really.

Oh believe me I know.  I'm a bit cynical on this so whenever Obama begins with "I believe Americans will do the right thing..." (or whatever - wish I could find an example), I'm on the edge of my chair.  He ALWAYS finishes that comment with something to the effect of "...provided they have the facts."

I just don't trust Americans to have the facts.  And many of the ones that need the facts the most are not going to "get" the New Yorker cover.

But I can't comment further.  I've got a wine and chalk party to go to at the neighbors.  Do you think they would like a chianti to serve with their "teachers 10 pack"?  
;-)


by Satya on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:11:45 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

I fully understand your apprehension, I easily devolve into that way of thinking with each news cycle.  But I really do have faith in the discernment and integrity of the American electorate.  Given the nature of our Constitution what choices are there?  This is probably the central reason for my enthusiasm for Obama, he knows how the Constitution works, he sees the debacle we are in and he has the gift for persuading with sane arguments what is in the best interests of all concerned.  It's a winning combination and not just for him, either.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:32:39 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

Oh, and enjoy your party.  I have a two hour drive through the lovely NSW countryside and pizza and beer to look forward to.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:34:25 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

Sounds great.  Ironically, what I'm really drinking these days is Aussie wine.


by Satya on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:51:57 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (none / 0)

And some fine wines they sometimes are.  I like the Claire, SA wines best but their are many others.  Funny, I mostly drink Italian whites here because the Aussie wines tend to be too fruity and sweet for me.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 06:05:47 AM EST
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Re: In Defence of the New Yorker [Update] (2.00 / 1)

The people who baffle me are not the ones who think the editorial judgment was poor (we all have a right to our opinion) but those who accuse the magazine of something more sinister.  Perhaps it's indicative of the crazed mentality of this election campaign where no amount of good works can immunize a person from charges of racism, but come on, the New Yorker has not secretly joined the Murdoch empire.

I am also bemused by people like Rick Perlstein who have a concern about the satire because some people really do think that way about the Obamas.  Uh, of course they do.  The satire wouldn't have much bite otherwise.

My expectation is that this will go down as an iconic image and that everyone will have a good laugh about it someday.  While I wouldn't expect them to be laughing right now, I don't feel it was entirely necessary for the campaign to throw the New Yorker under the bus.  They're using satire and ridicule to accomplish the same thing the campaign is trying to do through more serious means, last I checked.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:34:07 PM EST


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