FYI: Barack Obama on Iraq: His op ed column

In an op ed piece in Monday's New York Times Barck Obama defines his position on Iraq.  He begins with:

THE call by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity. We should seize this moment to begin the phased redeployment of combat troops that I have long advocated, and that is needed for long-term success in Iraq and the security interests of the United States.

Please read the entire op ed, although I'm sure you will.

Referring to the surge Obama says,

In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda -- greatly weakening its effectiveness.

Obama goes on to say;


But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true. The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we've spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted. Iraq's leaders have failed to invest tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues in rebuilding their own country, and they have not reached the political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge
.

Much of the piece outlines his specifics, but ends with:

In this campaign, there are honest differences over Iraq, and we should discuss them with the thoroughness they deserve. Unlike Senator McCain, I would make it absolutely clear that we seek no presence in Iraq similar to our permanent bases in South Korea, and would redeploy our troops out of Iraq and focus on the broader security challenges that we face. But for far too long, those responsible for the greatest strategic blunder in the recent history of American foreign policy have ignored useful debate in favor of making false charges about flip-flops and surrender.

It's not going to work this time. It's time to end this war.

In any case, and again, please check out the column and enjoy.



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amen. (2.00 / 4)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 11:19:39 PM EST

Re: FYI: Barack Obama (2.00 / 5)

Bingo!  He did what I'd hoped he'd do after al Maliki made his remarks.

Thread it together, put it into context, and drive it home.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 11:29:06 PM EST

Re: FYI: Barack Obama (2.00 / 3)

My thoughts exactly.  He's driving home the fact that he was right and McSame was not.


by calwoman on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 11:31:11 PM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (1.00 / 3)

In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda -- greatly weakening its effectiveness.

But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true.

So likes the result but opposes the effort that achieved the result?  How disingenuous.

Is the 16 months conditional or unconditional?

McCaskill says it is not written in stone -- "that would be irresponsible."  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izPBgqKvc yU

And when is the 16 month end-date?  In Nevada he said it was the end of 2009.  That's 11 months from a term beginning in January 2009.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcbqG_1EI bg  Look at the clip.  End of 2009.

Now he says:  "We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 -- two years from now."

And his campaign's own fact sheet still says end of 2009.  http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/Ir aqFactSheet.pdf

Does your guy know what the hell he's even talking about?


by strongerthandirt on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:49:03 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (1.66 / 3)

I believe he is talking about planning a gradual withdrawal from Iraq that would begin as soon as he takes office. I can see why you'd be confused. He so rarely puts it in those terms.

It's okay if you need me to explain it to you again, I don't mind giving help to the stupid.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:53:15 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (2.00 / 6)

And now, a one-act-play about strongerthandirt being invited to his very first baseball game:
std: So how long will this take? When will we get home?
Friend: Well, the game lasts about nine innings.
std: How long will that take, though?
Friend: Well, I don't know. It starts at 7:30 and it could take anywhere from two to three hours, so I guess maybe 10:30 or 11? Of course, if it goes into extra innings, it could take even longer.
STD: Extra innings? You said NINE. What are you talking about? You're deliberately being misleading.
Friend: No, no. It's just that we don't know what time it will end, it depends on how things go. Hopefully it will end in nine innings, but if the score is tied, it could be longer. We DO know it starts at 7:30.
STD: Well, how do you even know that? First you say it will end at 10:30, now you say it could go all night. What do you mean? You don't know what you're talking about.
Friend: You know, maybe you shouldn't go. We'll hang out some other time.
STD: No, please don't leave me! I'm so looooonely... sobs

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:59:28 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (1.50 / 2)

Troll rated for personal attack.


I'm for a timeline on Iraq, public funding of elections, women's reproductive rights, gun restrictions and universal suffrage. So why should I vote for Obama?
by William Cooper on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 04:11:47 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

So likes the result but opposes the effort that achieved the result?  How disingenuous.

The surge is working militarily but not politically.  The Iraqi leadership is failing in their duties and obligations, and Obama does not want to continue to put our troops in harms way when no progress or effort is being made by the leaders of Iraq to resolve their internal problems.


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:10:35 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (none / 0)

It's a dumb war and your guy wants to continue it for 100 more years if necessary.  To me that makes no sense.  Afghanistan is a mess.  We took our eyes off the ball.


by calwoman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:13:27 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (2.00 / 2)

"So likes the result but opposes the effort that achieved the result?"

Please read: "But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true. The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we've spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted."

Yes, the surge worked but Afganistan
is a mess - 9 soldiers killed today alone.

And 200 billion could have done a lot of good in the
current state of the economy.  


by lolo08 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:35:48 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama (none / 0)

Troll-rated for "your guy"  He's our guy now.  If you want to criticize our guy on policy or issues go right ahead.


January 20 & sricki join with The engels in love!
by January 20 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 03:33:22 AM EST
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Re: FYI: Barack Obama on Iraq: His op ed column (2.00 / 4)

Hopefully this will nip the latest MSM meme in the bud. The new meme is that Obama and McCain aren't that far apart on Iraq. You know that's bullshit. I know it's BS. But, the general public isn't so sure.

The Obama campaign has been very good about nipping things in the bud before they get a chance to really take off in the media. There have been quite a few things that have gotten big play, but there are more that came and went very quickly thanks to quick responses from the Obama camp. Oh how I wish Kerry had dealt with the swiftboaters like this.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:02:24 AM EST

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I thought the op ed column was precise and even sounding but really pointing out the difference between him and the neocons.


by calwoman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:30:32 AM EST
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This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 3)

It would appear that the detente that seemed to occur since the nomination wrapped up was just partially preparation, partially waiting for McCain to get off his ass and define his narrative so Obama could thrash it.

I'll add that any rebuttals refusing to explain how we can afford to keep going should be dismissed thoroughly.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:33:32 AM EST

Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 2)

Best of all, guess which OTHER New York article now gets reduced to a footnote? In substance, anyway. They'll still show that cover and let everyone be ashamed of the New Yorker. The best part is that there will be no defenders for them this time. The Right hates the New Yorker, and Obama's people will fully thrash it.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:37:06 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 1)

I was so angry at the New Yorker that I sent them an email.  I wish I had a subscription just so I could cancel it.  The cover is, among other things, tasteless.  Not funny at all.  Lest we forget, there's a lot at stake in this election.


by calwoman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:47:23 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 2)

You could always do what Hank on King of the Hill did:
HANK: (looking through mail) Hmm, bills, bills... ugh. Another subscription invitation from The New Yorker.
(takes card, puts it on table and gets out a pen)
I... do not wish... to subscribe to your magazine. There.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:50:22 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 1)

I know there are plenty here who will defend the New Yorker, and that's cool. They have done plenty of good work and I have read it when I've seen it around. But this latest issue is a travesty, and we don't need them to be rewarded for it by good attention. And we damn sure don't need to reward that asshat GodLizza.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:47:28 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (none / 0)

Did you read the New Yorker article, or were you just reacting to the stupid cover?  
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/ 07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza?printable=true

Read about how he has walked away from one constituency after another.  How he purposely got himself out of a district that was largely a black, poor one for a more affluent one:

Like every other Democratic legislator who entered the inner sanctum, Obama began working on his "ideal map." Corrigan remembers two things about the district that he and Obama drew. First, it retained Obama's Hyde Park base--he had managed to beat Rush in Hyde Park--then swooped upward along the lakefront and toward downtown. By the end of the final redistricting process, his new district bore little resemblance to his old one. Rather than jutting far to the west, like a long thin dagger, into a swath of poor black neighborhoods of bungalow homes, Obama's map now shot north, encompassing about half of the Loop, whose southern portion was beginning to be transformed by developers like Tony Rezko, and stretched far up Michigan Avenue and into the Gold Coast, covering much of the city's economic heart, its main retail thoroughfares, and its finest museums, parks, skyscrapers, and lakefront apartment buildings.

There are lots of items in there you should pay heed to, like the statements from mentor and Chicago Alderwoman Toni Preckwinkle:

"I think he saw the positions he held as stepping stones to other things and therefore approached his public life differently than other people might have." [space]  There was also a more general belief that, after Obama won the 2004 United States Senate primary, he ignored his South Side base. Preckwinkle said, "My view is you have to bring your constituency along with you. Granted, you have to make some tough decisions. Granted, sometimes you have to make decisions that people won't understand or like. But it's your obligation to explain yourself and try to do your supporters the courtesy of treating them with respect."

Yeah, he's superior to McCain in general, and McCain on the war, but so is a random person you'd pick off the street.  The US deserves better than Obama, a person with principles that shift like desert sands.


by strongerthandirt on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:00:27 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 3)

OK... Now read that article with the understanding that he deliberately picked the quotes from people he liked and skipped over quite a bit from people that didn't support his case. Now remember that this is nothing new, he posted this same crap last year.

I read it. He took quotes from a TON of people and used them to deliberately craft an ugly narrative. If I talked to everybody you'd ever been associated with, would it really be that difficult to write something talking about you as a complete phony?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:05:57 AM EST
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Re: This is what I like to hear. (2.00 / 3)

Would you really need to talk other people to accuse the aforementioned poster of being a complete phony?  

If it walks like duck, and talk likes a duck, well you know...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:15:54 AM EST
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Are you ready to throw (none / 0)

your hat in the ring?


by calwoman on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 02:28:04 AM EST
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