Fight for Equality

Today I have read diaries that have told me I don't have the right to complain about sexism because there are more important issues than sexism.

They say if I complain about "ho" jokes at a Democratic fundraiser I am being divisive and frivolous. Sexism is divisive. Those who engage in it and defend it are the problem, not me. "Ho" jokes are anti-woman and anti-feminist especially during a political event. Democratic women don't be fooled or intimidated by those who attempt to convince you otherwise. Don't be fooled by those who dismiss your equality to re-fighting the primary.

As a Democratic woman, I have chosen to fight for my equality and not vote for the Democratic nominee. I will not be bullied into voting for a man who will benefit from the sexism unleashed and/or unchecked by the Democratic Party against the woman candidate. Sexism has become a part of the winning strategy, just as race became a part of Nixon's southern strategy.

I did not come to this decision in a frivolous or thoughtless manner. The primary gave me time and the party gave me plenty of reasons. I was often confused by what was sexism and what was hatred for the woman candidate. The truth is they often overlapped. I have reached a point with the party where my principles would become so eroded I will no longer recognize myself if I pretend to believe my party champions my equality.

There is evidence the status of women in the Democratic Party is not equal to men. It came very clear to me when the voices of women who vehemently complained about sexism in the media and sexism from within the party during the primary were met with a deadening silence. Democratic women could not muster a single elected or unelected official to speak publicly and forcefully on the behalf of women against sexism. If this is the example of the Party's advocacy for women, why is voting for the Democratic nominee considered progress?

The lesson I learned from this primary is democratic doesn't necessarily mean more equality for women, it sometimes means less.



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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 3)

Have a peaceful day;)


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:33:01 PM EST

Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

testicular fortitude, soft, Obamabi, three testicles.  You're right, sexism was used in the primary, by the MSM, by the Clinton's, by McCain and the Republican party.  
Now that I have enlightened you, please consider revising your diary for accuracy.
Have a pleasant day.

by KLRinLA on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:53:00 PM EST

Feminists for McCain (2.00 / 1)

How can you think for one minute that electing John McCain will help gender equality? How can you hold Obama responsible for a stupid joke Brenie Mack uttered at a fund raiser - especially since Obama chastised him for the remark?

Are you sure that you are not being a sore loser. I'm a very poor loser myself. I sore many times during the primary that I could never support Hillary, but I never really meant it. I was just venting my anger. There is no way that a McCain Presidency would not hurt people of every gender, race, sexual orientation, you name it. We will miss having you with us in November. I hope you will reconsider.


by OIL GUY on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:57:23 PM EST

Re: Feminists for McCain (none / 0)

I think the better question is what evidence do I have that my party believes in my equality when it has dismissed my voice along with millions of other women?

Right now the damage is coming from outside the party, it's coming from within.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:05:29 PM EST
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I love these diaries. I can always spot those republicans who are posing by their comments. Here is a clue if the commentor blames the victim or tries to rationalize calling women Ho's they are republicans and most likely they are the real Ho's, political that is.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:01:32 PM EST

Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

I would suggest you get a new pair of glasses.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:09:54 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

The user you replied to was SUPPORTING you.
Heh...like I said...I shall continue to laugh.
Not at your cause...at you.
Women's rights is a righteous cause.....your professing to be supporting them while working against the Party most likely to help them is just plain funny.
by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:20:45 PM EST
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I love these comments. I can always spot those Trolls who are posing by their words. Here is a clue, if the commenter labels others as Republican for pointing out the ridiculous nature of the diary or tries to then denigrate regular posters for actually supporting the Democratic nominee, they are Trolls and most likely they are the real Hos....political or no.

As to this diary, fine, ok...we get it, we understand that you believe that the Democratic Party and it's nominee for President are horrible, sexist, misogynistic pigs.
Yay. Go vote for McCain...he needs it....he is way behind Obama in women voters. There is a reason for that actually....MOST women understand that McCain is far worse for women than Obama (or any other Democrat) could ever be.

You won't change my mind (or, with diaries such as this, anyone else's)...and I am not interested in attempting to change yours. You are perfectly welcome to cut your nose off to spite your face. Just don't whine when no one pays you any attention (other than to point and laugh).


by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:17:06 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

Thanks Kysen. You are right.

My equality is something I take seriously. My right to vote is something I take equally seriously. But I own my vote. My conscience is screaming at me to stick to my principles rather than yours. I cannot accept sexism in my party. I will not support anyone who benefits from it. This is where I draw the line.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:35:24 PM EST
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Oh good grief...how can I argue with anyone who says "Thanks Kysen. You are right."?

Seriously, though, having read your other comments...I see that you do not intend to vote for McCain....that just raised you about 1000 points in my view (not that you really care what my view is).

I have stated before, here and elsewhere, that I can understand not voting for President, voting only down-ticket or writing in Hillary. What I cannot, and will not, understand is someone who professes to have been a Hillary supporter NOW stating that they will vote for McCain to show that support.

Also, though not to the same degree, I am disgusted by those professing to have been Hillary supporters/Democrats who are actively working to see Obama defeated.

I agree that your vote is your vote.
Do with it as you see fit.
But, to use it to vote for McCain 'to support Hillary'....or to use your Democratic voice to work towards the defeat of the Democratic Candidate for President (especially in this election after the past 8 years of hell)....well, to do so puts you in the Republican column...labels you as a McCain supporter. Which, if you are..so be it...but, if so, why come to MYDD in the first place?

So, yah....I will now vacate your diary.
Peace.


by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:56:36 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

I apologize to you. I thought you were being blasphemous and calling me a Republican.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:32:23 PM EST
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It's okay. There are so many Bushbots on here pretending to be Obamabots sometimes it hard to keep your head from exploding.


"Do you know the difference between a War Story and a Fairy Tale?"
by RedstateLib on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:25:02 PM EST
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OK, we get it. The Republican party is the party of equality. They are much more caring about women's issues and would never engage in sexism or racism to the extent that certain members of the Democratic party do.

You have made it crystal clear to me. Now I can vote for John McCain with a clear conscience.

The next time I read about another death in Iraq or I see a nightmare health story about the treatment received by someone without health insurance I can comfort myself with the thought that jokes told by a comedian are more important and justify voting for the Republicans.

Thanks, you've made it much easier for me to reject everything I feel is important.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:02:19 PM EST

Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

I have never said anyone should vote for McCain.

I have never said I should vote for McCain.

I have never said the Republican Party was better at equality.

I have said the Democratic Party doesn't appear to be concerned about sexism or my equality.

Thank you for the examples of how sexism is so often dismissed by my fellow democrats as a less important issue or not important at all.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:13:56 PM EST

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The best way to fight for women's equality is to not vote for the only party of a two party system that supports women's rights. I love the women who rationalize voting for McCain, or not for Obama knowing full well that one more conservitive judge will be the end of a women's right to choose.


by Hillis45 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:17:11 PM EST
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You girls are really sticking it to the man!


by Hillis45 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:17:42 PM EST
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When did Democratic sexism become beneficial to women?

The states have been chipping away at Roe for years. I hardly think dems can say they have been winning on this one. Further my vote will not be held hostage to what I might lose.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:28:52 PM EST
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So your not voting, voting third party or voting McCain.  Logic dictates that your optimal outcome would be for John McCain to win in November, thus ensuring 4 more years of Republican rule.

Now your main issue is sexism.  Do you feel that women's rights will become a priority under a Republican president or Democratic one?  I think you know the answer, but you are still willing to place women's rights in jeopardy for 4 years, and will not advance the women's cause during that duration (if any thing your wish would probably set it back).

What better time than now to elect a Democratic POTUS, who just ran against perhaps the most successful woman in American politics, in order to progress the cause for Women's rights.  I argue that HRC will never be in a more powerful position than she is now, With a Democratic congress and POTUS many of her ideas, not only women's rights, will receive the past due attention they deserve and will she will have an outstanding chance to pass legislation to broaden women's rights, to implement universal healthcare, etc, etc.

The stars could be aligned to promote the Democratic agenda like no other time in history, and you're willing to let it all pass by.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:24:04 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

You argue Senator Clinton will never be in a more powerful position than she is now. Unfortunately I have to agree with your argument.

There is a lot of resistance to her. The people who showed so little respect for her candidacy haven't gone anywhere.

The stars are aligning for blacks. Gays are getting married on both coasts on Bush's evangelical watch. The 18-39 year olds think they own the party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:57:52 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

Of course you do not reply my post.  Your refer back to your talking points in order to justify your position.  It is impossible to attempt a rational discussion with someone who continually fails to exhibit an open mind.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:23:50 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 2)

You stated that you would not vote for the Democratic candidate. That is a gesture of support for the Republican whether you want to admit it our not.

Not supporting the Democratic candidate implies support for his opponent, which means you think the Democrats are worse at gender equality than the Republicans, which is a huge crock.

Sexism is not 'less' of an issue. Sexism is only 'one' issue. There are many, many more issues that are just as, if not more, important than sexism. Life and death issues like Iraq or health care. Women's issues, family issues, the economy, etc... Sexism may be important but it in no way trumps those larger issues. Yes, I said 'larger' issues.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:18:46 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

You don't get to decide for me what is the larger issue.

In my opinion at the foundation of all the issues you list is my equality.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:37:59 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 2)

I see. And, the republicans are more likely to help you reach this goal?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:44:35 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

No but I have little reason to believe the Democrats will.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:47:43 PM EST
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Of course not. How could you expect otherwise from the party that promotes things like equal pay, equal rights, anti-discrimination, etc... They are no better than the Republicans.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:50:11 PM EST
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Promotes equality pay for about 40 years and does not deliver. The equal rights amendment has languished just as long.

Sexism is discrimination.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:13:10 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

Sexism can lead to discrimination. I agree. Good luck on this issue with the Republicans. You seem to think they will be better on it.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:15:40 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

Oops...here I am again.
After this, though, I swear I am outa here:

No but I have little reason to believe the Democrats will

And here I woulda thought that the past 8 years would give just about anyone (including Republicans!) reason enough to vote for the Democrats.


by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:59:38 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (2.00 / 1)

If the presidential election were a popularity contest (where the winner got a gold medallion and went home) what you're writing would make some sense.  Come January 20, though, the country will be governed by the Democratic or Republican party for the next four years.  Whomever wins, that's what the election will be about.  

By my read, the president is probably responsible for less than 10% of what happens in government.  He's only one person.  Most decisions aren't made in the oval office.

Which party is in power, though, influence decisions across the board.  First, the political appointees who steer the bureaucracy are drawn from the elites of whichever party wins.  You can;'t elect McCain without getting the Dobsons, Wolfowitzes, and those who are lesser-known (that's just a fact).

Second, those who work for the permanent bureaucracy quickly come to understand what the political appointees will permit or shoot down (and since this has enormous consequences for their careers they adjust).

Will give a small example.  I know someone who works for the State Department who is applying for a job connected to improving the status of women across the world.  She's in a curious position, because under a Democratic administration this would be the sort of job where she could make a big difference.  In a Republican administration, though, she'd be in Siberia.

She strongly supported Clinton during the primaries, btw, and doesn't like Obama at all.  But, like many, she's going to vote for him anyway because she knows (going with her opinion) a flawed Democrat is better than the best Republican when it comes to the issues she cares about.

If you have sympathy for the Republican positions on these issues that's whole other deal.  Many do.  I'm not a Democrat who thinks most Republicans are evil, or simply out for themselves, etc.  They have their own narrative by which they reach the conclusions they do.

Part of that narrative, though, is that Democratic-leaning feminists are humourless control freaks who have misapplied Marxist rhetoric to a host of rather petty issues (again, I'm describing a point of view I don't share).  I don't know the extent to which McCain shares these views.  I do know, however, that this question doesn't really matter all that much (because this is part of the standard Republican narrative).

It's a free country.  We all get to vote for the candidate we want for whatever reasons we choose.  I think you're kidding yourself, though, if you believe you have a third choice here.  If McCain wins, that will be seen as the country's endorsement of the Republican narrative.

I've never seen a protest vote have the effect its participants intended.  Nader voters in 2000 wanted to send a message to the Democratic party that their votes shouldn't be neglected, and instead Republicans, after a deeply flawed election, were able to leverage their victory into a winning argument that the country had endorsed their ideas instead.

That always seems to be the way this plays out.  The side which wins gets to write the story of why they won.  You have complete freedom to vote for whom you want, but don't be surprised when the winners use the authority they gain to pursue the agenda they want.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:34:35 PM EST

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You make an important point. The Democrats did not learn anything from 2000 about the marginalization of voters or taking our votes for granted.

Democrats actually believe they can continue to depend on the votes of women and at the same time pretend as if sexism does not exist, won't explain themselves or their lack of action in the primary. "Ho" jokes are being told at fundraisers for this party. Last week it was a wishy-washy position on abortion. Where does it end? Is this supposed to be encouraging women to support the party?

Some of you don't seem to know that right now women are in the wilderness within the party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:46:38 PM EST
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I read your diary carefully..I myself had been (2.00 / 2)

outraged by sexism propounded by MSM, DNC and  by anti HRC folks. Unfortunately sexism and racism are two elephants in our country that we seem to knowingly and unknowingly perpetuate. Even very educated knowledgeable folks fall prey to these kind of behavior.

I would urge to consider this: during the heated primary as it was, many things were said, which better should not have been..on both sides which are prejorative and rather unfortunate. And if you follow this blog, you'll find many (both Obama and HRC) supporters regretted earnestly things they said or repeated during the heated primary battle.

I'm asking you to forget what happened. I'm not asking you not to be angry or not to be vocal about the sexism within Democratic party. I'm requesting you to see that if McCain wins, he will be continuing another 4 years of Bush Presidency..personally I think it would be a disaster for our country and the World. Please consider this note before you decide further.

Thanks and have a good evening.


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:11:48 PM EST

sorry..i meant to say..I'm not asking you to (2.00 / 1)

forget what happened..


by louisprandtl on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:33:08 PM EST
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One issue voting (2.00 / 1)

People are free to become one issue voters.  You own your vote and certainly decide how to spend it.

My problem with many PUMA is that deny that they have become single issue voters.  They rationalize that McCain and Obama will be the same on all other issues (clearly not true) so their issue is the only one that will change.

If you think that sexism is more important than all the other policy issues combined, then you certainly should abstain in this election.  But it is necessary for you to recognize that you are making the calculated risk.

Hope this makes sense and will stick around to discuss my points and any rebuttal you wish to put forward.  Hopefully we can keep this civil and on the up and up.  I have no interest in name calling or flame  warring.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:11:56 PM EST

Re: One issue voting (none / 0)

Sexism affects women on number of issues such as equal pay, reproductive rights, discrimination, and healthcare.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:11:53 PM EST
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Re: One issue voting (2.00 / 1)

Yes that is true but that does not change my argument.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:15:08 PM EST
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Did you know (2.00 / 1)

that Obama has proposed expanding the FMLA?  Seems like that issue would be more important than things that Chris Matthews said.


by JJE on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:19:40 PM EST
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Switch terminology (none / 0)

Imagine one Dem telling another that a black person had no reason to complain about racism and that there are more important things for Dems to focus on than racism.

The shoe isn't very comfortable when we put it on the other foot, eh boyz?


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:50:12 PM EST

Re: Switch terminology (none / 0)

I am not sure anyone is saying that Feelfree has no reason to complain about sexism.  She is free to complain about something that clearly happened in the primary.

My point is that people who have made this a single issue election should remember that there are other issues as well.  If you choose to abstain or vote McCain this election and McCain wins, you will show the democratic party that they should listen to the voices of women and then you will live through the McCain administration.  It is a calculated risk but few PUMA will discuss the risk and some pretend it doesn't exist.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:56:59 PM EST
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Women supporting Hillary (none / 0)

Do so not just to get the first woman elected.

They do so because, due to her experience, there are many critical issues (like health care reform) that they feel Clinton will be better able to handle.

Issues where women face disparities - like jobs & income, health care, etc. are important to everyone, not just women.

Rising tide lifts all boats, etc.


by Betsy McCall on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:17:50 PM EST
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Re: Women supporting Hillary (none / 0)

I did not say anything about why Hillary Clinton supporters were for her.  The answers are numerous and she was a great candidate.

I am saying that any Clinton supporters that are abstaining or voting McCain because of sexism in the primary have become one issue voters.  They certainly have the right to be one issue voters but I feel that they should recognize that they are.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:13:27 PM EST
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This is the mirror image (2.00 / 1)

of all the wingnuts who claimed Democrats didn't care about sexism because they defended Bill Clinton.

It's all about slights, perceived and actual, against one person.  Actual policies that affect millions of women don't matter - one political figure becomes the symbol of all issues deemed important to women.

Fortunately, most women have a much more sophisticated and intelligent view of sexism.


by JJE on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:16:37 PM EST

Re: This is the mirror image (none / 0)

Yeah we'll see how that attitude works out for the party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 08:58:19 PM EST
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We sure will (2.00 / 1)

and we'll see, if Obama wins, how rendering themselves irrelevant will work out for the PUMA twits.


by JJE on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:01:38 PM EST
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Re: We sure will (2.00 / 1)

If McCain wins, the lesson will be that future nominees need to move further to the right, and that nominating a black person is risky.

PUMA does not have the numbers to teach anyone a lesson - it's that simple.  


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:16:03 PM EST
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Re: Fight for Equality (none / 0)

I'd have an easier time with this if one of your professed conditions for supporting Obama was that he renounce all claims that there was racism in the primaries.  He would probably do it, but he doesn't have that right.

I just get tired of people deciding what other people have the right to be offended about, and you top the list, and as your diary was complaining about that very phenomenon it smacked me in the face.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:14:22 PM EST


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