How can any fool support Obama?

by MS01 Indie, Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:55:33 PM EST

I am continuously amazed that anyone can support Barack Obama after what has happened in this election cycle. The reasons to vote against him are innumerable. The reasons to vote for McCain are obvious. Keep reading to get the TRUE picture of this election.

McCain is a serious man. He is so serious that when he tries to tell a joke it just doesn't work. For instance, one time he told a joke about Chelsea Clinton's father being Janet Reno. That didn't go over too well. Another time he said about his wife, "At least I don't smear on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." See, too serious to tell a funny joke. He tries though.

On the other hand, Obama has shown that he is a bad man. Why just the other day, some comedian made some tasteless jokes at an Obama fundraiser and Obama didn't whip him off the stage. I don't care if Obama didn't make the joke. How can you compare McCain's real attempts to seem funny to Obama's obvious sexism? Surely, what some comedian says is more important than what the candidates say?

The people who support Obama must be blind followers who think Obama is a messiah. How else can you explain why they would vote for a Democrat over a Republican? I mean, it's not as if the Republicans are intolerant or mean, or anything. They have proven how much they care for the people of this country. Just look at the last 8 years under George W. Bush - everyone is better off today than they were 8 years ago. The country is peaceful and prosperous. People are even healthier, because they are walking more due to the price of gas. See, the Republicans have a health care plan. That shows the Republicans really care about you.

Obama surrounds himself with evil people, like Donna Brazille, while McCain is surrounded by good people like Phil Gramm. Just compare the two of them and you will see what I mean. D. Brazille had the gall to claim to be neutral when it was apparent all along that she preferred Obama. That is an unforgivable sin. Phil Gramm's only fault is that he was the architect of the 'Enron Loophole' and many of the financial policies that have resulted in the mortgage problems and the present financial crisis. How can you possibly support someone who has a supporter like Donna Brazille?

People are always talking about the Supreme Court appointments as if that is important. What the heck does the Supreme Court have to do with anything? They are just a bunch of stuffy old men and women in black robes. It doesn't matter to the ordinary person if they are all like Scalia and Alito, like McCain wants. I think this is a tired argument. It isn't as if it will affect your personal life.

When Obama supporters aren't talking about the Supreme Court they are talking about taxes, or Iraq, or torture, or civil liberties, or all that other crap that doesn't have anything to do with the average citizen. I wish they would get their priorities right. None of that is important compared to a few bad jokes by a comedian.

WAKE UP, OBAMABOTS!!!!1! The future of our country is at stake. While you idiots carry on about unimportant things, the country is falling apart.

You idiots don't care about what's really important to our country. I can prove it by comparing a list of what is important to Obama supporters to a list of what is important to me

Obama supporters care about such non-important things as:


  • Iraq War

  • Civil Liberties

  • Supreme Court

  • Torture / Gitmo

  • Foreign Affairs

  • Education

  • Women's Rights

  • Gays (like they matter)

  • The Economy

  • The Environment

  • Health Care

  • Children and Families

  • Poverty in America

  • Inequality

  • ...


Their list goes on with silly issues like that.

REAL DEMOCRATS CARE ABOUT:


  • Bad jokes by a comedian

  • Something some radio show host said about Hillary

  • Something some talking head on TV said about Hillary

  • Something some anonymous blogger said about Hillary

  • Something my neighbor's brother's second-cousin's third wife's friend said about Hillary.

  • The way Obama scratched his face.

  • ...


This list of SERIOUS issues goes on and on.

How can anyone compare those two lists and still think about voting for Obama?




Tags: obama, mccain, 2008, election, democrats, bernie mac, puma, snark (all tags)

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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 5)

I like your style.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:58:23 PM EST

Snarky headline got my attention! (2.00 / 4)

Yes, indeed!

Rec'd.


by bobswern on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:58:40 PM EST

LOL, well done! n/t (2.00 / 3)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:59:30 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Great piece. Am I correct in remembering that you are/were a HRC supporter during the primary? Regardless, great work. We share similar thinking styles. I wish the PUMA folks would just give Obama credit for making it this far and for holding up against the Repig smear tactics. I know, I am a former Repig that has learned to be a better person because of Bush and his administration. I guess some good can come out of this disaster. But then again, I truly believe that most PUMA activities are undercover Repigs.

Peace.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:08:43 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 8)

No, I was an Edwards supporter who switched to Obama after Edwards dropped out. I didn't post on here during the primary flame wars. I visited the site every day and read the diaries and comments for a long time before I signed up so I could comment and post diaries. I was under the mistaken impression that since the primaries were over that things would calm down and people would focus on the GE. Boy, was I ever wrong.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:16:08 PM EST
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The PUMA won't vote for Obama because (none / 0)

he's proven them right! We had a centrist candidate called Clinton against whom he criticized during the whole primary campaign for the policies he's now converted to and espouses - They hate a hypocrite, it's as simple as that!


by suzieg on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 07:24:08 AM EST
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Re: The PUMA won't vote for Obama because (2.00 / 2)

You make no sense!  Also, I suggest that you tend to overuse excamation points!


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:58:00 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 5)

well played, sir, well played-


lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;
by alyssa chaos on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:10:46 PM EST

Brilliant (2.00 / 4)


by iamold on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:25:05 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Well done!


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:02:04 PM EST

Is this question? (2.00 / 6)

Serious snark.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:08:12 PM EST

Re: Is this question? (2.00 / 1)

HA!

Loving it.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:55:10 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Nice contrast, as someone mentioned in that pile of shit that was a recced diary yesterday, if PUMA were to focus on real issues and where the candidates stand, their position/arguments would crumble....unless of course they are republicans, then its all good.


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:12:34 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Don't forget that Obama once brushed his shoulder in a highly offensive manner.


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:14:05 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, that was really, really bad. And, did you hear what Bill Maher said that one time? Bill Maher is like Obama's number one advisor from what I hear. I also heard that Bernie Mac was going to be head of HHS.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:16:23 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Didn't Maher say "god damn America" or "America isn't perfect" something after 9-11?

Typical commie islamofacist feminine radical obot


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:50:38 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

mmmm, are you thinking of this commentary by Maher below on his former show 'Politically Incorrect'?

Mr. Maher replied: ''We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?res=9B04EFDA163DF93AA1575AC0A9679C8B6 3&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all


by cameoanne on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:39:24 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

that's the one

Scary cowardly obot


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:04:55 PM EST
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He is not just a Scary cowardly obot, (2.00 / 1)

he is a presciently scary cowardly obot.


by Susan from 29 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:40:31 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

That is what indeed got Maher fired from his politically incorrect show. For telling the truth.

Maher made a lot of hay out it eventually, saying, for all the total incompetence displayed by the Bush admin for the 9/11 attack (ignoring warnings of field FBI agents that muslims were in the country, taking flying lessons, and seemingly NOT interested in learning how to land???????) Bill would state:

"To this date, seems I am the only person in America that lost their job due to 9/11."


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:32:47 AM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.
by Susan from 29 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:18:44 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

You could have made your points, such as they are, without demeaning those of us who are justifiably alarmed by things you consider meaningless.

The "bad jokes" by someone who calls himself a comedian -- were much more than bad jokes: they were evidence of deep misogyny and lingering sexist attitudes in this campaign. Furthermore, the presumptive candidate's slap on the wrist and then an "I'm just kidding" are even more alarming.

I'd say that virulent sexism and misogyny are far from meaningless -- wouldn't you agree?

And that's just one of your points.

I think real Democrats, as I am and have been since I was a child raised in a union home, are concerned with:

-- fair treatment for everyone

-- an end to sexism, racism, homophobia, discrimination against the handicapped, the elderly, and every other group we have in our society

-- equality under the law for all

-- equality of opportunity for all

-- UNIVERSAL health care

-- and many more items that some are veering away from instead of embracing

(And a small PS -- what did you mean when you listed Gays and then appended "like they matter" -- what was that about? Homophobia or just another "bad joke"?)


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:47:16 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

So you agree that jokes by a comedian trump Americans dying in Iraq, health care, civil liberties, and on and on?

Snark mood off:

Of course, sexism, homophobia, and the other things you mention should be contested. Voting for McCain will not improve things when it comes to these issues. Just the opposite.

I think real Democrats, as I am and have been since I was a child raised in a union home, are concerned with:

-- fair treatment for everyone

-- an end to sexism, racism, homophobia, discrimination against the handicapped, the elderly, and every other group we have in our society

-- equality under the law for all

-- equality of opportunity for all

-- UNIVERSAL health care

-- and many more items that some are veering away from instead of embracing

Can you seriously tell me that any one of those items will receive fair treatment under a McCain presidency?

As to your "small PS", what part of snark don't you understand?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:55:07 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

I thought the comment was pretty pathetic and useless. Whoever uses Bernie Mac as a way to slam Barack Obama is really deluded.

So many things (as you listed) and you base your vote on what a comedian said? Now that's the joke.

Great diary Indie hope to see more from you!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:57:04 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

If you read in my remarks that I am basing my vote on one thing in particular, perhaps you'd be justified in retaking your speed reading course.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:24:06 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (1.60 / 5)

ZZZZZZZZZZ.

I don't give a fuck who you vote for troll.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:44:41 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Hahahaha.  Wonderful. I concur, and will tell this person so now.


by AlexScott on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:57:52 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (1.50 / 4)

NO ONE gives a fuck who you vote for troll.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz extreme.


by AlexScott on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:59:46 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Thanks for the laugh Mr. Scott.
:)
by Kysen on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:09:31 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I suppose your snark isn't as good as you think -- I didn't get it, especially not on the Gays remark (you didn't include similar "snark" on any other point.)And certainly not in the rest of what you said.

I never said McCain would be better -- find that in my comment and I'll give you a dollar.

You're typically deflecting criticism when you should be dealing with the fact that all these things are important. Sexism and misogyny leads ultimately to the deaths of women, or do you not read the news? And that is an issue on par with all the others you listed. Fundraisers which allow such things to go on are not to be taken lightly.

I just find your treatment of a serious issue to be so slight and so full of disregard that it is offensive.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:22:59 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

The diary dealt specifically with the issue of voting for McCain instead of Obama based on one issue. It is perfectly within your right to say that sexism is more important than any other issue, if that is how you feel. I don't see where you say that in your comments. However, you are defending people that do say that very thing. They will vote for McCain because of one, and only one thing, sexism. They seem to think this trumps all other issues. Forgive me for thinking that is a silly and pointing it out in my own way.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:38:42 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

I am defending the idea that sexism is a hugely important issue.

I speak only for myself and I don't see how you can place yourself into the heads of everyone who thinks this an important issue and say that they will vote for McCain. Have you the facts, figures, and links to back that up?

To say that sexism is a big issue isn't to say anything about where or how one will vote. And it doesn't diminish the importance of other issues.

You are missing something important here and that is that we need to deal with this issue in our party and in this campaign in order for us to be whole and to be as progressive as we'd like to think we are.

Treating it lightly is appalling.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:03:50 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 5)

Forgive me if I think you are being deliberately obtuse. There are web sites dedicated to the idea that electing McCain or trying to make Obama lose is justified because of the sexism during the campaign. There was a diary on the rec list yesterday where visitors from those sites poured out their hatred for Obama and the Democratic party in general. Many of them have stated flatly that they will vote for McCain based on this one issue. When it is pointed out to them that there are other things that matter as much, if not more, they counter with silly arguments about the Supreme Court not being important or say they don't care about Roe v. Wade. This diary was a direct response to those people who say they will vote for McCain. If you do not fit in that category, then you have no reason to be offended by what I said here. In that case, I was not talking to you.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:13:32 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

I do not fit the category of which you speak. In fact, I didn't see those diaries.

But I still find the issue of sexism important and I am still angered when people don't take it seriously.

Criticizing one's party is an effort to make it better. Just as we have the right to criticize our country because we love it.

I don't really care who or what you were reacting to, I do care that in your reaction you made light of an important issue.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:24:09 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

I made light of people who think voting for McCain is the way to deal with this issue. In the process, I made the issue seem less important than it really is. Unfortunately, that is not a surprise when dealing with people that do the opposite - make it more important than it is.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:36:30 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 5)

It seems like you feel disturbed because the diarist tried to use humor to point out how some priorities seem out of whack in the PUMA camp. Specifically, it seems like you don't think the issue of sexism should be treated lightly. It shouldn't, you're right. Nor should racism, homophobia, etc...

I think the point of the diary is that all of these social ills exist, and we, as a society will be still working them out long after the youngest of us is dead. The standard PUMA argument that because sexism still exists in our society and it was present in a variety of forms in the primary we have to stop everything and punish Obama even though he is more likely to promote progress toward equality on all fronts. It does not seem that you "buy" the PUMA line of reasoning, but this diary was a response to it, and yes, there has been an invasion of late of people spouting off this illogical argument in one form or another.

Think about it this way: It is my belief that racism cost Obama more votes than sexism cost Clinton, even if sexism in the public sphere was more noticeable. I am aware that this assertion is difficult to prove, but it is my opinion. If a group of people were continually bashing Clinton (whether as a senator or a nominee) day in and day out because racism exists and showed up in the primary and cost Obama votes, would that be rational? If people were attempting to paint Clinton as something she isn't and slamming her every move without every acknowledging her efforts to improve our county because they are so angry about racism in the primary, and it seemed that no amount of reason could get through to this group, wouldn't it be at least in the realm of "ok" to try to use humor to shine a light on how strange their behavior and priorities are?
I'm not saying that you're wrong about sexism being a serious issue. I agree with you on that. I just think you're wrong that this snark is an attack on the seriousness of sexism. Instead, it's an attack on a group of irrational and deluded people who want America to suffer through more Republican rule to punish Obama for sexism in society.


by glopster on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:47:41 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

Thanks for the very reasonable and reasoned reply. I've been called a troll (in this thread) for being critical on this issue. So I appreciate your very understanding reply.

I understand what you are saying. And, having a good sense of humor, I also understand your points about using snark/humor.

But as a gay person, I have had more than my fill of  people using humor in a way that is not very humorous. They think they are being funny and pointing up the issues but in reality they are being hurtful.

Yes, the use of humor is a valuable tool -- but as you so rightly point out, there are a lot of people upset about this issue. And perhaps using humor only serves to make them angrier right now. If the objective is to win them over, then maybe a little understanding will go a longer way.

Also, I am not a fan of using humor when it comes to such serious issues.

Would the diarist use humor about the Iraq war? Probably not. And, using your example of racism, do you really think anyone would find that humorous?

I'm very interested in your points about racism and sexism in the primaries and have been studying just that.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:07:56 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

yes, I know what you mean about homophobic humor. As a public school teacher (and just as an adult in our society), I encounter it and have to educate about it all the time. We're way behind on that issue in our society.


by glopster on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:17:14 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

I am going to make one last effort.

You do realize that snark is the use of sarcasm to make a point? Sarcasm is when you say something when you mean exactly the opposite. With that in mind, it becomes obvious that by adding that extra comment about gays, I was really saying just the opposite.

The whole diary is written from the point of view of someone who is advocating for voting for McCain based on the single issue of sexism displayed towards Hillary Clinton. This (not so) imaginary person made several offensive comments in the diary.

Since this diary was written from the viewpoint of someone I disagree with completely then it stands to reason that I also disagree with the gay comment. What is so hard to understand about that?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:31:44 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I don't need the condescending reply. I understand these terms better than you do -- which is why I fail to see the humor in your piece. It's not well constructed or written.

In any event, I was replying to the other commenter and didn't expect or want another of your comments or efforts to talk down to me.

Your effort at humor fell flat with me. There is no way that you can say that the whole thing is snark -- it doesn't read that way.

Be that as it may -- you have your point of view and I have mine. We can agree to disagree.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:50:33 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

This is a truly breathtaking reply.

I applaud Indie for not giving it the response it deserves.    


by oliver cromwell on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 05:43:14 AM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

It was obvious that this discussion wasn't going anywhere but down. I didn't see any sense in starting a flame war. The other person obviously didn't see the satire in my diary. There was no way to explain it to him/her unless they wanted to see it. Fifty people rec'd this diary, so I don't think the humor was all that subtle. Oh well, can't win them all. S/he said one thing that made sense in that last post. We will have to agree to disagree.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:29:17 AM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

I suppose your snark isn't as good as you think -- I didn't get it,
Perhaps it isn't. Then again, a lot of other people seem to have gotten it so perhaps the problem isn't with the quality of my snark.

especially not on the Gays remark (you didn't include similar "snark" on any other point.)And certainly not in the rest of what you said.
The whole diary was snark from the title to the last word, so obvioiusly the gay comment you object to was snark as well. Since you didn't get the snark, as you admit, it's not surprising you don't get the snark in that comment.

I just find your treatment of a serious issue to be so slight and so full of disregard that it is offensive.
Sorry, we just don't agree on this. I don't think jokes told by a comedian are as 'serious' as bullets or a family facing a medical crisis without health insurance. I certainly don't see a sexist comment as equal to someone getting tortured.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:05:24 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

Nowhere did I equate the issues -- what I said, should you read my comments carefully, is that sexism is a serious issue. Sometimes it even leads to physical harm and death -- ask any woman who has suffered beatings and worse and see how they feel.

Of course other issues are more immediately serious for some people. But that doesn't mean that we should make light of other issues.

And that's all I was saying.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:53:38 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

You know what else leads to the death of women?  Voting for a war that kills them.  

It is overwhelmingly women and children that suffer far more than men during times of war.  You can also add that to the years of sanctions they suffered and died for and of course the previous gulf war.  Whole generations growing up faced with starvation and the consistent ravages of war, and those are the lucky ones (the ones who survive).

I remain unconvinced that one comedian could inflict the level of damage that was knowingly inflicted by Bush, McCain and yes (sorry guys) Hillary Clinton on women and children.


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:04:25 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

You never disappoint. Rec


by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:41:23 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Perhaps I have misread the diary, but it seemed to me that MS01 Indie was using humor to parody the Republican talking points.

Now I am confused, are you objecting to the humor or the talking points?  Granted, I may have read funnier bits, but I thought he did a pretty good job on using humor to show just how ridiculous those points are.


by Susan from 29 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:58:38 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I am objecting to taking a serious issue so lightly. I don't think that using humor with regard to the lame and offensive jokes of a so-called comedian is the right thing to do.

Perhaps this diarist's main thrust was humor (though I question that) but he was not being humorous when he said that sexism should be ignored in favor of what he/she characterizes as more important issues.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:27:08 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Ok, I surrender. You are right. Sexism is the most important issue facing this country. If we do away with sexism the country will become heaven on earth. All other problems will melt away. There will be universal peace, everyone will live forever, and the lion will lay down with the lamb. And, all of this can be achieved by voting for the Republicans.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:42:29 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

Yes, I can see that you understand now. Wonderful response to a serious issue.

You're to be congratulated.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:06:37 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

She is to be congratulated.  MS-Indie created a wonderful sarcastic piece.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:10:44 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

I hope it is not sexist to point out that I'm not a she. :)


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:20:18 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (none / 0)

Never thought you were. And no, it isn't sexist to point that out.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:25:20 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Sorry about that I usually put he/she, but I forget.  And yes, it's completely sexist for you to mention my mistake.  :)


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:27:19 PM EST
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cuppajoe, (2.00 / 2)

After reading the diary thouroughly and line after line of why you were offended I can only conclude that you run around looking for reasons to be offended.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 03:57:32 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

Why was this troll-rated?


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:08:11 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

mistake, a slip of the button. Fixed now


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:16:04 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I realized it after I posted it and saw another response you made.  Should've checked first.  All these PUMAs got me on defense.  Sorry.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:18:56 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I figured it was a slip when I saw who gave it to me. I actually think it could be legitimately considered troll worthy by someone who doesn't share my views. I won't be surprised or offended if someone comes along and tr's it.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:40:50 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for the explanation, I see your point, although I disagree with the weight you put on it.  Bernie Mac's joke was offensive, but I believe it fell flat when delivered and the more weight we give it, the more important it becomes.  (At least that is how I see it and I recognize that my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.)

Norman Lear made racist, sexist bigotry unacceptable social behavior by producing All in the Family which also used humor to diffuse weighty issues.  Humor is sometimes more effective than reason in dealing with irrational biases like sexism.


by Susan from 29 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:04:56 PM EST
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You're right. (2.00 / 4)

Real Democrats are concerned with fair treatment for everyone.  John McCain opposes equal rights for women and gays, wants to privatize Medicare and Social Security, kowtows to intolerant Religious Right leaders in his policies, and supports the continuation of the Bush policies of tax cuts for the wealthy and for corporations.  Thus, Real Democrats vote for John McCain.

Real Democrats are against sexism, racism, homophobia, and discrimination against the elderly and the disabled.  John McCain voted against the Equal Pay Act, claims that he "will always hate the gooks," opposes civil unions and adoption for gays, voted against increasing funding for the VA to help disabled veterans three years in a row, and calls Social Security "a disgrace."  Thus, Real Democrats vote for John McCain.

Real Democrats want universal healthcare.  John McCain wants to further privatize healthcare by giving control of Medicare and Medicaid to private insurers and slashing the amount of money doctors get paid for treating Medicare/Medicaid patients.  Thus, Real Democrats vote for John McCain.

John McCain opposes everything Real Democrats stand for.  Thus, Real Democrats should clearly all vote for John McCain!

Wait...


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:55:23 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 1)


I wouldn't mind voting for a Presidential nominee who actually understood that enforcing the 14th Amendment civil rights guarantees, indeed the spirit of the 14th Amendment, is what separates Democrats from Republicans.

So far, I can't credit Obama with that understanding.  Now that I have to choose between two unprincipled and opportunistic politicians, the less principled and more opportunistic of the two- McCain- might actually be the better person to elect to finish the Bush agenda and get going on a liberal agenda.  He certainly doesn't have all of Obama's ego hangups and entourage of crude careerists and thoughtless selfabsorbed people.


by killjoy on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:11:08 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 8)

He certainly doesn't have all of Obama's ego hangups and entourage of crude careerists and thoughtless selfabsorbed people.

ROFLMAO!!!! Can anyone really be this delusional?
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:13:10 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Jamestown Associates hope so.  Busy busy busy

It is interesting watching the right-wing memes get coined and tested.

And then when they repeat them during the election they'll claim they all came from the Hillary camp.


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:55:40 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

Do you think for one second when you write things like this that anyone is gonna take you seriously on any level?


by AlexScott on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:06:15 PM EST
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try getting the amendment right (2.00 / 4)


by JJE on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:13:32 PM EST
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Obama is good. (2.00 / 3)

with slavery being abolished(13th) and the civil rights of former slaves being a federal concern rather than a concern of the states(14th).


Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:10:20 PM EST
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Why are you so stupid? eom (2.00 / 1)


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:08:26 AM EST
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Re: Why are you so stupid? eom (none / 0)


I can show you six unbelievably stupid responses to my post at this point.  :)
by killjoy on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:54:35 AM EST
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They would be stupid only if (2.00 / 2)

they thought you were a snarky rational person insteadl of a PUMA deadender.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:13:03 PM EST
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Re: They would be stupid only if (none / 0)


To which I say: Q.E.D.
by killjoy on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:48:36 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 4)

INDIE!!!!!!

LOL, At my age. Really. LOL. Ya' don't be foolin'. You'll be sending a person to the cardiac ward. LOl. Mercy. Give folks a snark warning!


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:14:18 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Very well done. Thank you for another excellent post, MS01 Indie.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:17:01 PM EST

Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 3)

Brilliant diary


by AlexScott on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:06:29 PM EST

Civil liberties? (none / 0)

Obama cares about civil liberties, so long as they don't get in the way of getting elected in November.


by Sieglinde on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:33:15 PM EST

Re: Civil liberties? (2.00 / 4)

Yawn, at least he cared enough to show up and vote on this and Kennedy's Medicare bill. I find it odd that this is PUMA defense when he IS wrong on this issue, but so isn't McCain (who is the other choice). The big difference is McCain is wrong on every other issue as well. Love the diary, thank you sir, tip of the cap.


by Dog Chains on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Obama cares about Christianity, as long as it's kosher.

Americans amaze

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank /archive/2008/07/10/barack-obama-secret- jew.aspx


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 06:43:51 PM EST

FISA - Obama's Lack of understanding (none / 0)

Interesting how your post is so well recieved.  I looked at it becuase with all of Obama's recent  "change", I thought it might actually have been a real post.

Of course the worst is FISA -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUwERBdED bE


by Classical Liberal on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:17:31 AM EST

Sweet (2.00 / 1)

So are you a Barr man or is Ron Paul more up your alley?


by JJE on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:57:14 AM EST
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Re: Sweet (none / 0)

I like Ron Paul too, though the public isn't ready for the real change he was talking about.  My mind is not made up on any of the canidates this election cycle.

Well let us say there is a lot of room in today's politics for someone looking out for individual rights.  Many accuss Republicans of being against our rights but the left of the Demcratic Party are at least as worse.  

Barr has really caught my eye as of late.  I would much rather go back to 1776 America style government as change then late 20th century Europe as Obama claims to be leading us too.  

The power the new deal afforded to the Federal government is just too much.


by Classical Liberal on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:31:55 PM EST
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Re: Sweet (none / 0)

1776 sounds good to me. Then again, I'm a white male that owns his own home. That means I'd get the vote. Women, non-whites, and renters would be out of luck.  Oh yeah, no direct election of senators sounds about right too.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 09:53:03 PM EST
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Re: Sweet (none / 0)

Point taken, but at the time other countries did not allow anyone to vote.  America lead the way expanding these rights to non land-holders(1850) minorities(1860) and women(1920).

Still doesn't change the fact that our government has gotten too top heavy.


by Classical Liberal on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:23:43 AM EST
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Re: How can any fool support Obama? (1.00 / 1)

I will NEVER vote for Obama--at least McCain didn't insult the Clintons during the primary season, unlike Saint Barack and his minions. (to the delight of their "fans" a la Matthews in the press).


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:59:52 AM EST

Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (2.00 / 2)

Obama and Clinton ran against each other.  They said unflattering things about each other.

It's politics, and Clinton was tough enough to understand it's part of the job description.  Unlike delicate flowers such as yourself.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:07:10 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (none / 0)

Thank you, but millions of us won't be blooming for Obama in the fall.


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:17:51 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (2.00 / 1)

Why would McCain have said unflattering things against Clinton in the primary? He wasn't running in the democratic primary.
Do you think he would be flattering Hillary Clinton right now if he was running against her?

by scg on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:34:33 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (2.00 / 1)

Are we supposed to lie down dead and forget the brushing off the shoulder, or the Annie Oakley remark or the distortion of the "fairy tale" remark or the idiocy surrounding the RFK statements, or the "sweetie" comment or the violent imagery the Obama loving media  employed against HRC this June (flatbed truck, Norma Desmond)--no way, we take a stand here and now.


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 10:51:04 AM EST
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The brushing of the shoulder was a reference (2.00 / 3)

to Charlie Gibson and ABC, NOT Hillary.

But, you Republicans care about mythology and hatred, not facts.

Now shoo.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:04:16 AM EST
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Re: The brushing of the shoulder was a reference (none / 0)

It was a reference to HRC's criticism.  I've been a Democrat for almost 37 years but will NOT support Obama. Is it possible for Obama supporters on this site to realize that a large number of Clinton voters will NEVER support him under any circumstance, and that we are still progressive Dems who want to take a stand against the bias towards Obama in the press? Why is that so hard to grasp?


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:09:40 AM EST
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Because you lie (2.00 / 2)

about stuff like the shoulder brushing.

And, no, progressive Democrats wouldn't side with McCain over Obama.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:10:40 PM EST
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Re: Because you lie (none / 0)

It's not a lie.  He brushed his shoulder another time with reference to Clinton.


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:13:51 PM EST
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I'm going to bet you don't (2.00 / 2)

have a link.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:28:54 PM EST
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Re: I'm going to bet you don't (none / 0)

No, I don't but I saw it on the news and Gerry Ferraro has mentioned it several times during interviews.


by handsomegent on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 08:52:22 AM EST
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Re: I'm going to bet you don't (none / 0)

OMG! That's terrible. Then I'm definitely going to become a Republican. They really respect women.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:15:52 AM EST
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Well, that's some pretty solid proof on your (none / 0)

part. . .  .


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:30:09 AM EST
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Re: Well, that's some pretty solid proof on your (none / 0)

It is true, you just don't like hearing it.  And you Obamaites just don't get it.  We're NOT voting for Obama out of idealogical reasons. I agree with almost everything he says although he does say a lot of let's say "different" things these days.  I'm not voting for him because the way his suporters traeted HRC in the primaries and especially toward the end when they practically wanted her dead.


by handsomegent on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM EST
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Re: Well, that's some pretty solid proof on your (none / 0)

Oh, we get it. In fact, that attitude is exactly what this diary addresses.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:06:54 PM EST
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Re: Well, that's some pretty solid proof on your (none / 0)

No it doesn't.


by handsomegent on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:30:33 PM EST
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It's true because you say so. (none / 0)

Whatever.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 12:26:33 PM EST
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Re: Because you lie (2.00 / 3)

Why do you "PUMA" people act like you're doing the rest of us a disservice?

It just means Obama is bringing the party fresh, young and energetic consituents while purging it of you phonies and drama queens.

And for those of you who are secret Republicans that's a bonus as well. The fact that you have to lower yourself to that level brings me joy. It must eat away at you. I would feel incredibly icky if I had to run around pretending to be a Republican.

Whichever category you fall into, it's a win-win.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 04:08:44 PM EST
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Re: Because you lie (none / 0)

I'm not a phony nor a drama queen.  Obama is the phony and the press (a la the RFK debacle) are the real drama queens.  PUMA's like myself are not buying the unity BS and want HRC on the ticket as logic would dictate or we go elsewhere.


by handsomegent on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 08:48:53 AM EST
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Re: Because you lie (none / 0)

Bye.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:01:16 PM EST
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NO. (none / 0)

He didn't.  That's one of those rightwing talking points used to sucker Hillary supporters in.  Obama and Clinton are allies and they respect each other.  I was pretty upset about the 'skies will open, etc.' speech from Clinton when the race was on but the race is over now and I realize she was just trying to win.  Now McBush is trying to win and he will pull some of the same stuff and some new stuff like trying to woo Clinton supporters to the Grand Old White Men Party.  Don't be fooled by this...it is a tactic.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:39:35 AM EST
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Re: The brushing of the shoulder was a reference (none / 0)

Then I'm just curious, for what purpose are you still here?  I can only think of a few reasons and they aren't very good ones...

1. okay you're not here to be converted.

  1. your here to convert us (if so, unconvincingly)
  2. down ticket races.  But if you're PUMA that doesn't really apply since they intend to vote against anyone who now supports Obama.  Which means you'll vote against virtually every good progressive Democrat.
  3. to create havoc (most likely)


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 08:24:13 PM EST
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Re: The brushing of the shoulder was a reference (none / 0)

I'm here to show my colleagues on MyDD that not all of us have drunk the Obama Koolaid, and to lobby for HRC on the ticket.  If she's not on the ticket I will reregister as a Republican and you won't hear from me again--nor my wife who comments here too.


by handsomegent on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 08:51:20 AM EST
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If you don't get the 'general' you want you (none / 0)

will join the enemy?  Geez, I wouldn't want you watching my back on the frontlines.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:41:13 AM EST
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Re: The brushing of the shoulder was a reference (none / 0)

If she's not on the ticket I will reregister as a Republican and you won't hear from me again--nor my wife who comments here too.

Ah, I get it. You're loyal to Hillary and not to the country. Tell me, what exactly do you support about the republican platform?

Before you begin typing let me use my psychic powers. You're not going to answer, but continue to rant about what you don't like about Obama. I didn't ask you about that. I asked what you LIKE about the Republican platform.

Now, if you say NOTHING you proved my point. That you're about acting on being sour about Hillary. THAT is high school level drama queening at its finest.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:05:53 PM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (2.00 / 2)

Just out of curiousity, how do you take a stand? What actions do you think are appropriate to the situation?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:05:25 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (none / 0)

Not voting for Obama media darling.


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:12:09 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (2.00 / 2)

Will you be staying home in November, voting for another candidate, writing in Hillary, or voting for down-ticket races and leaving the presidential choice blank?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 11:20:04 AM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (none / 0)

I will be staying home or voting for the only true leftist, Ralph Nader.


by handsomegent on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 12:06:53 PM EST
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Good for you (2.00 / 2)

and then when Obama wins you will have sent a clear signal that nobody need worry about your fake issues ever again.  Welcome to irrelevancy.


by JJE on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM EST
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Re: Get. over. it. and. stop. whining. (none / 0)

People like you put smiles on the faces of people like KKKarl Rove...Republicans.  The fact that there are so few of you puts a smile on the faces of people like me...Democrats.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 10:45:42 AM EST
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