Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse one about Chelsea Clinton

IM BLACK. I AM A WOMAN. I CAMPAIGNED ACTIVELY FOR HILLARY CLINTON. I supported her because I just god damn like the woman, despite any of her flaws. (And YES, candidates are flawed and a segment of supporters of BOTH Obama and Hillary are equally cultish.) And I also supported her because I interned for 2 years in her DC office. So my support is insanely loyal and genuine.

Anyhow, here is my experience campaigning for Hillary08:

I would be in a campaign office, or at a town hall and I had a few instances where I would walk into a room and sometimes fellow hillary campaigners would hush up or pretend they were talking about something else, because they thought I would hear what they were saying about the racial aspects of the primaries, or when they were saying racially insensitive things about Obama. I once had some old guy in a car stick his finger at me and say FUCK OBAMA. People I would approach when I campaigned assumed I was from the Obama camp just because I was black, and sometimes reacted with glares or outright hostility to me.

This is just to tell you where im coming from.

When i campaigned, there were A LOT of racist comments made regularly in the campaign offices where I worked (Indiana and Pennsylvania) and at the rallys and town halls she did. I would hear "nigger" or "uppity" thrown around about Obama. Did it deter my loyalty or support for her? NO.

Sexism is a LOT harder to detect and people can be mysoginistic without knowing it. Frankly I thought it was mysoginistic when the men in the MSM praised Hillary for having "testicular fortitude" as if she needed to have aspects of masculinity to be a good president. Like Bernie Mac, it was a JOKE right?

But like you feel about the Bernie Mac joke, I thought the mere implications quotes like that are seriously more damaging to the idea that a WOMAN could be a strong leader in the US. No one here said anything about that, in fact I saw people here praising that. Same with the idea that being an intellectual is being "effete" as the media calls Obama. Or the idea that for the white male dominated media, he's not black enough for them but sometimes too black! It smacks of white paternalism, most people here however didnt see that. Both Hillary and Obama had to tip-toe around this messy and obscure lines of race and gender, and both sometimes had some missteps.

So onto Bernie Mac's sexist and racist jokes, I dont think Obama realized the sexist extent of the joke as he realized the racial aspect of it. A slip up. I forgive him. But while Obama made none of the comments himself, it seemed that he was giving tacit approval. He wasnt, at least not intentionally.

Out of all the racial slip ups i've had to endure while working for the Clintons, and seeing some of the tactics which came from above which I do think were racially divisive and disappointing to me, I still was intensely loyal to her. In NO WAY do i think the Clintons are in any way shape or form, racist! The "southern strategy" can be used without one being a racist. Another example: Karl Rove's father is gay and he has a very close relationship with him, so obviously he is not homophobic. But he created a religious right backlash against gays, using gay marriage as a wedge issue. One can use these divisive tactics because they work, not because thats their hidden homophobia, racism, or mysoginy. I stood silent when I saw Clinton using racially divisive tactics. I know the code words. Dont tell me i didnt hear them.

But trying to push the idea that Obama is a sexist is just false and wrong.  He is a little absentminded when it comes to gender issues, and of course he doesnt see the line as clearly as women do. He's a man. But that fact doesnt excuse anything. But I can understand it. I also understand that Obama is probably better at seeing the faultlines on race better than Clinton. Does it mean Clinton was a racist and doesnt care about issues regarding racial disparities economically just because she said something divisive, at times, unknowingly? Absolutely not.

I dont expect pure political correctness from him as I didnt with the many instances of political incorrectness coming from Hillary's campaign with regards to race was foregone by the Hillary herself, the Clinton campaign, its surrogates, supporters, and the media.  I only supported Hillary because I once worked for her and liked her all my life, and oh yeah, I actually care about keeping her legacy intact and getting healthcare passed, and getting my 3 brothers out of Iraq (they're on their 3rd deployment), and my aunt lost her house from the mortgage crisis...so I think I kinda want that solved...

So now onto John McCain who obviously has the least regard for women or minorities out of either Clinton or Obama:

I dont think John McCain is mysoginist or racist, I think he just doesnt care. I dont think Bush is a racist or mysoginist, but look what we got in Katrina with a president who didnt really care.

McCain voted against equal pay for women because he said the lawsuits would be a hassle. He voted for healthcare insurance companies to cover Viagra for men, but voted AGAINST allowing coverage of prescription birth control for women.

John McCain sued his 1st wife (whom he had 3 children with) for divorce RIGHT after he came home from Vietnam because she gained a little weight and was 5 inches shorter after having 12 surgeries due to a serious car accident that crippled her temporarily. He did not support her after their divorce. While McCain was a POW, his first wife became close friends with Nancy Reagan. The Reagans had to support her monetarily and looked after her and never forgave John McCain for abandoning her after he came back from Vietnam.

Cindy McCain on Jay Leno described how they met. They were at a fancy party and he was chasing her around a table of orderves (s/p?) and she thought "he was a little weird". Want to know what's weirder? She was 24, he was 42! What's worse is that in the recent LA Times story, he lied about how they were married. He claimed he separated his first wife before he went after beer-fortune heiress Cindy McCain. Turns out, he was still cohabitating with his 1st wife, and was dating Cindy McCain while married to his 1st wife. Of course, now there are allegations that his staff had to "protect him from himself" with another new and younger blonde lobbyist whom he had a close friendship, Vicky Iseman. And the right wingers have the audacity to preach about family values and the homophobic "sanctity of marriage" when their presumptive standard-bearer cant even live up to those standards.

But forgetting McCain's record or marital infidelity, lets talk about crude jokes and comments:

John McCain made extremely ugly remarks about his wife Cindy McCain during a tirade directly witnessed by three reporters and two aides. "At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, 'You're getting a little thin up there,'" Schechter writes. "McCain's face reddened, and he responded, 'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.' McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days."

No one in the MSM covered it.

John McCain made possibly one of the CRUDEST, SEXIST jokes about Chelsea Clinton in the midst of the Clinton's lewisnky scandal, and she was only still in her teenage years at the time:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

No one in the MSM covered it. Partly because it was so crude, but partly because the media has been McCain's lapdog since his POW days.

MotherJones's David Corn wrote for Salon.com:

McCain's two-liner conveys some interesting insights into what he considers humorous (lesbianism, a young woman's physical appearance), particularly since it was delivered to a Republican crowd. Remember, this is the party that champions pro-family values.

McCain's lapse in judgment may be a significant clue into aspects of his "character," and thus relevant to the voting public. But many voters have been spared this insight, thanks to the censors in the press.

Accordingly, McCain is well-positioned to ride out this messy little episode. Ever since he started championing the anti-tobacco bill (which was torpedoed by his GOP comrades), McCain has been the White House's pet Republican on the Hill. Consequently, the White House played down his Chelsea remarks. McCain is also unusually popular with the media. He gives good quotes; he is outspoken. He takes positions that contradict the Republican leadership. When you talk to McCain, he converses in the manner of a real person, seemingly telling you what he thinks. That is rare among elected officials. Ask him a question and he does not shift into automatic-politician mode, as do most members of Congress.

The former Vietnam POW should escape this matter without serious political harm. In the inevitable magazine profiles of McCain that will be written, there will no doubt be the perfunctory line: "McCain's tendency to speak too freely was proven when he made a distasteful joke at a fund-raiser about the first family and then had to apologize to the president."

But the joke revealed more than a mean streak in a man who would be president. It also exposed how the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times play favorites when reporting the foibles of our leading politicians.


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I've reposted this diary (2.00 / 5)

because i accidentally "archived" the 1st one, and it disappeared from the list. I have no idea where it went. so here you go.


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:37:14 PM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (2.00 / 1)

Interesting diary.  What's with the tags?


by markjay on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:41:36 PM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (none / 0)

OMG!  Those tags.  Please amend.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:45:39 PM EST
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aye aye (2.00 / 4)

i didnt realize how offensive they looked until now.  i changed the tags to "sexism" and "mysoginy".

The original tags were referring to McCain's crude jokes about Chelsea Clinton and about calling his wife the C word


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:48:51 PM EST
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Sorry i added more to the diary (2.00 / 3)

I had originally posted this diary but i "archived" it whatever that means, and it disappeared. I only posted half the diary, the rest of it is posted now.

The 2nd part of the diary which i just posted had to do with the fact that McCain called his wife a plastered face trollop and cunt, and made crude jokes about Chelsea.

Ill remove the tags, the words are really too crude.


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:46:01 PM EST
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Re: Sorry i added more to the diary (1.66 / 3)

Thank you.  BTW, John McSame alluded to Chelsea and Janet Reno.  A front page KOS diarist used the words "ugly" and "bastard" to paraphrase McSame's comments.  
The attacks against the Clintons have come from both sides of the aisle.
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:50:19 PM EST
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Are you comparing McCain to a blogger (2.00 / 5)

as if they are synonymous? In fact one of the points she makes in this diary is to not conflate the opinions of supporters with the candidate


by batgirl71 on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 08:26:14 PM EST
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Wow! (2.00 / 4)

Great diary!

No candidate will be perfect - I can't even keep up to my own ideals.  

I have no plaque to award, but please accept mojo & rec.


January 20 & sricki join with The engels in love!
by January 20 on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:56:12 PM EST

Re: Wow! (2.00 / 2)

I enjoyed this diary too. Another reminder of just how bad Mccain is. Rec


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 07:07:24 PM EST
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Rec. this up people! (2.00 / 5)

Let's knock the troll diaries off the wreck list!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 07:45:55 PM EST

wow im on the rec list! thanks! (2.00 / 3)


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 07:48:40 PM EST

Obama/Clinton (none / 0)

is the only answer to party unity.


by Lakrosse on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 09:20:58 PM EST

I would like that ticket but (2.00 / 4)

honestly, Im not going to get angry and throw a fit and not vote just because he doesnt. My brothers are in Iraq (3rd deployment), and my aunt lost her home. I care too much about this election and the issues.


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM EST
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im guessing you didnt even read my whole article (2.00 / 1)


by iamold on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 09:41:22 PM EST
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McCain's joke is really crude. (2.00 / 1)

Exactly.  That joke was far cruder than anything.


by puma on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 10:06:25 PM EST

McCain's joke is really crude. (none / 0)

Exactly.  That joke was far cruder than anything.


by puma on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 10:06:38 PM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (2.00 / 1)

One of my favorite diaries ever. I like how you are able to be insanely loyal but also see yourself in a broader perspective.


by glopster on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 10:44:00 PM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (2.00 / 2)

You had me a little nervous at first with the bolding of, "IM BLACK. I AM A WOMAN. I CAMPAIGNED ACTIVELY FOR HILLARY CLINTON." At first, I was thinking, "Oh, gosh. Why is that important in a crude Chelsea joke diary?".

But, aside my first misgivings, you tied your whole diary together in a very coherent way and really, really put the slam to McCain. He's a lying, hypocritical creep who deserves the take-downs.

Great diary and a pleasure to rec' and give you mojo.

One last thing... I'm waiting for one of the better writers (like you), an archivist, a researcher, or especially a primo satirist - all better than me, to write a diary sarcastically called: McCain's Straight Talk Express.

Yeah, John. You're a real straight talker. We know where you're coming from.


by RickWn on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:02:28 AM EST

He sure knows how to talk to a lady. (2.00 / 1)

'At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.'

An oldie, but a goody.  I like the way he talks to his womenfolk, all romantic and stuff.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:05:30 AM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (2.00 / 2)

Good diary, but for the sake of accuracy your info on McCain's divorce is not quite correct. Close, but the facts are both better and worse than you indicate.

John McCain sued his 1st wife (whom he had 3 children with) for divorce RIGHT after he came home from Vietnam because she gained a little weight and was 5 inches shorter after having 12 surgeries due to a serious car accident that crippled her temporarily.

He did not divorce her right after he came home from Vietnam, it was later on. He came home in 1973; the divorce was in early 1980. He did, however, cheat on her regularly prior to meeting Cindy.

He did not support her after their divorce. While McCain was a POW, his first wife became close friends with Nancy Reagan. The Reagans had to support her monetarily and looked after her and never forgave John McCain for abandoning her after he came back from Vietnam.

Actually, he did support her after their divorce. Under the settlement, McCain maintained insurance policies worth $64,000 with their children as beneficiaries, agreed to pay for their daughter's college education and paid $3,005 in joint debts.  She also got his interest in their homes in Alexandria, Va., and South Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla., their furnishings, $1,325 a month in alimony, $300 in child support and he agreed to pay an additional $500 monthly if she couldn't find a job. He also agreed to pay her medical bills for the rest of her life.

This in no way makes up for his assholeness-- just trying to keep things accurate. In some ways what really happened is even worse than you indicate.

Oh, and Ross Perot paid Carol's medical expenses during her recovery, while McCain was still a POW, and he has nothing good to say about McCain today.

Maybe the best article on the whole thing can be found at the U.K.'s Sunday Mail: The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl e-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously -left-behind.html

This may all seem nitpicky, but his record is so awful that accuracy is all that is necessary to show what a nasty piece of work he can be.


by Swedie on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:00:19 AM EST

Excellent Diary (none / 0)

Rec'd


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:06:26 AM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: (none / 0)

John McCain is a jerk.  So what?  There are literally dozens of reasons not to vote for him and this type of stuff is just not even on the list.  


by JustJennifer on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:34:31 PM EST

it was in response to the bernie mac diary (none / 0)

i was comparing the amount of perceived racism i faced supporting hillary with the amount of perceived sexism hillary supporters are facing with Obama.  


by iamold on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:45:09 PM EST
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John McCain made a worse (none / 0)

that doesn't help, like, so what?  Sexism has been under the radar, but it's out there now, thanks to imus, and Chris Matthews, et al. Sexism draws an audience, but the audience also has an audience.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 12:49:50 PM EST

sorry, im not sure what you're asking (none / 0)

this diary was in response to those who were seriously offended by obama because of bernie mac.


by iamold on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 01:49:23 PM EST
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im not sure what you're asking (none / 0)

which is my point, he had his own audience, that saw him with bernie mac. Enough with the apologies, the guys need to know that we don't like it, and if it gets a paid audience, that's capitalism, but if our leaders show it's okay with them, some will be seriously offended. That doesn't mean he's worse than John McCain, I compare him to his own words.  It's good to call him out on this stuff, otherwise he won't know what is offensive, no?  Doesn't have to be a big deal, doesn't 'have to be earth shaking and lead to voting against him, it's just the truth and why not say it.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 05:01:31 PM EST
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no problem but (none / 0)

i didnt admonish anyone for calling him on it, i simply gave an opinion about what i thought about it and brought in more egregious offenses by mccain so as to see the 2 in perspective.


by iamold on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:47:23 PM EST
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Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (none / 0)

excellent diary

There was an insider article about Clinton campaign strategy a few weeks ago (sorry I can't remember where... Vanity Fair? New Yorker?). That said that the push to run a southern strategy that played on racism can from Mark Penn and Bill.

It would be surprising if those two professional strategists hadn't pushed for it after the AA votes were lost and the Appalachian numbers were looking good.

It in no way means that Hillary is racist. However is should not be taboo to acknowledge the strategy and is is a valid reason for a voter to decide against her. It was a gamble and one that I think failed because the backlash nullified the gains.


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM EST

Re: Talk about bad jokes: John McCain made a worse (none / 0)

It was Vanity Fair.  Interesting read

Couple of excerpts

"Penn and Ickes especially hated each other. Penn was a protégé of the most poisonous character in the Clinton White House, pollster Dick Morris. Leon Panetta, who had battled against Morris's morally empty advice in the '96 campaign, compared Penn to Karl Rove and saw Hillary's dependence on Penn as an ominous sign. "Morris had no lines between right and wrong," says Panetta. "There are moments when [the Clintons] want to hear from the dark side because that may be the only way to win.... Losing is not part of their vocabulary. They know no limits when it comes to the energy and tactics they will use--no matter how distasteful."

"Perversely, in my view, Hillary's chief strategist proved to be an old-fashioned sexist. Penn did not appreciate the strength of her character as a woman. He and Bill Clinton insisted that she not run as a woman. They ran her as tougher than any man. They also put her out in front as her own attack dog, never an appealing role for a candidate, and one that Senator Obama's surrogates played for him. In the losing rounds of the five-month primary season, Hillary loyalists repeatedly challenged Obama's manhood, openly proclaiming to reporters that she was "the only candidate with the testicular fortitude to be president."

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"To replace Doyle, Hillary moved up Maggie Williams, her former White House chief of staff and major damage-control cohort, and one so loyal she would probably cut half her heart out for Hillary. Triumphant, Penn could now unleash his full firepower on Obama.
Starting with the Ohio primary, Penn made it clear their target was white, working-class men. Hillary would have to do factory-floor speeches, sit around trailers in Appalachia, find a bar to throw down a shot and a beer, and talk about jobs, jobs, jobs."

"
The air began to go out of Barack Obama's balloon on the night of March 13, when ABC News ran clips from inflammatory sermons by the pastor from Obama's Afro-centric church in Chicago, in which the Reverend Jeremiah Wright twisted "God Bless America" into "God Damn America." Then, on April 11, less than two weeks before the Pennsylvania vote, Penn read comments on the Huffington Post from a closed-door speech Obama had given at a San Francisco fund-raiser. He seized on Obama's characterization of small-town, working-class Pennsylvania voters as "bitter" because of economic distress and disposed to cling to "guns or religion."
Penn had supposedly been "demoted" for representing the Colombian government on a trade deal opposed by Clinton, but here was an opportunity tailor-made for his attack strategy. "We've got to jump on this elitism thing immediately," Penn barked.
Geoff Garin, only a few days into his position as Penn's successor, argued, No, just let Obama's comments percolate through the system. " `Toughness' is not the right word," Garin said to me about Hillary. "Strong is what she is. I'd like this campaign to be out of the snarky business. It's had a tin ear about what's snarky and what's not."
But Garin wasn't yet influential enough.
Penn drew on his ace in the hole: he called the Clintons that Friday afternoon. "Let's take it on." They both eagerly agreed. "We put up a `bitter' ad, characterized him on elitism, and took him on in the debate to expose that he'd received thousands from oil-company executives," recalls Penn."


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:05:57 PM EST
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I have a lot more respect for hillary than i do (none / 0)

for Bill, who is just an anomaly to me. Bill used the Aff-Action strategy in his gubernatorial campaigns with a blatantly racist commercial where a white man was cringing his hands over a pink slip while complaining about how minorities were taking his jobs.


by iamold on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 09:50:09 PM EST
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