BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Impeachment in House!

by bobswern, Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:15:36 PM EST

Go to C-Span.

Feel free to use this as an open thread!

Whoa!

UPDATE: BIGTIME KUDOS to Kevin22262 in his posts, below, and for providing a link to all of Dennis Kucinich's 35 Articles of Impeachment, as noted here: http://www.democrats.com/35-articles-of-impeachment

UPDATE #1 8:20PM EST:

Apparently he's reading 35 Articles of Impeachment. This could take a little while.

FINAL UPDATE 12:30PM EST, TUES., JUNE 10TH:

OH, THE TRAVESTY OF IT ALL!

Let's see...an intern performs fellatio on a sitting (or, was he standing at the time?) POTUS, and it's tens of millions of dollars in administrative costs paid for by us taxpayers, a long, drawn-out investigation and big "to-do;" but, someone comes along with the next administration, and provides a laundry lists of major crimes and offenses against the citizenry, and then there's....abso-freakin'-lutely NOTHING!???!!!??? Barely any coverage. No one gives a shit? Are you kidding me? Apparently, not!

WTF is happening here? Where have our priorities as a society gone when Entertainment Tonight is more important than real news? I couldn't even find the text of Kucinich's 35 Articles of Impeachment last night...and I looked around just about everywhere! But, more sincere thanks to blogger CITIZEN DAVE for posting this, just a couple hours ago...

Re: 35 articles (2.00 / 2)

GET THIS BACK ON THE REC LIST!!!!!!!!!!

#1: Creating a secret propaganda campaign to manufacture a false case for war against Iraq

#2 Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression

#3 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

#4 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

#5 Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

#6 Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

#7: Invading Iraq without a declaration of war.

#8: Invading Iraq in violation of the U.N. charter and international law.

#9: Failing to provide troops with body armor and vehicle armor.

#10: Falsifying accounts of US troops deaths and injuries for political purposes

#11: Establishment of permanent military bases in Iraq

#12: Initiating a war against Iraq for control of that nation's natural resources.

#13: Secret task force for directing national energy policy

#14: Misprision of a felony, misuse and exposure of classified information and cover up (Plame outing)

#15: Providing immunity from prosecution for criminal conduct for contractors in Iraq

#16: Reckless misspending and wasted US tax dollar with Iraq contractors

#17: Illegal detention - detaining indefinitely, and without charge, American citizens and foreign captives (suspension of habeus)

#18: Torture - secretly authorizing and encouraging use of torture, as matter of official policy

#19 Rendition

#20 Imprisoning Children Bush is guilty of impeachable offence arcticle 20, imprisoning children. Has personal and acting through agents has held at least 2,500 children in violation of Geneva convention and the rights of children in armed conflict signed by the US in 2002.

#21 Misleading Congress about threats from Iran

#22. HAS ESTABLISHED A BODY OF SECRET LAWS THROUGH THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. THE YOO MEMORANDUM WAS DECLASSIFIED YEARS AFTER IT SERVED AS LAW UNDER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

#23 Violated Posse Comitatus Act ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS FOR THE USE OF THE MILITARY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CONGRESS SO THAT THE MILTARY CANNOT BECOME A NATIONAL POLICE FORCE.

#24 Spying on citizens violating 4th Amendment

#25 Directing telecoms to collect databases on US citizens.

#26 Announcing intent to violate laws w/signing statements, and then violating those laws.

#27 Failing to comply with congressional subpoenas, and instructing others to do so.

#28 tampering with free and fair election. Corruption with the administration of justice, False allegations of voter fraud in selected districts, immediately preceding elections. Undermining process.

#29: Conspiracy to violate voting rights act of 1965, Ohio Sec of State 2004-06

#30: Misleading congress and american people in an attemtp to destroy medicare.

#31 Katrina and the failures of gross negligence of the administration.

#32: Misleading congress and the American people. Systematically undermining global climate change. Article 2, Section 3: Personally and through subordinates including the VP, for not protecting property of people vis a vis global climate change thru deception. Failure to ratify Kyoto. Editing reports - 294 edits by a lobbyist to add data which called into question the facts by muddying them. Or diminishing scientific findings.

#33: Repeatedly ignored and failed to respond to high level intelligence warnings of planned terrorist attacks in U.S. prior to 9/11. Clark warned the president in daily briefings of the threat. Clark was unable to conviene a cabinet level position. Tenet met with the president 40 times to warn of threat. Still no meetings of top officials.

#34: Obstruction into the investigation of 9/11

#35: endangering the health of 9/11 first responders

by citizendave on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 09:48:56 AM EST

UPDATE #2 8:43PM EST:

He's up to Article #12: 'Bush violated his oath of office by invading Iraq to obtain control of its natural resources...'

UPDATE #3 9:01PM EST:

He's concluding Article #14: Valerie Plame Wilson; Scooter Libby, etc.

Introducing Article #15: Providing immunity from prosecution to military contractors in Iraq.

UPDATE #4 9:17PM EST:

If you go to http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Kucinich_presents_Bush_impeachment_articles_0609.html, it appears they're already starting to post the actual text in 10- to 15-minute increments.

UPDATE #5 9:47PM EST:

Perhaps the most striking note of all: nary a whimper nor coverage of ANY SORT in the MSM yet...the MSM, asleep at the wheel once again...I understand there's a blurb on AP so far...and that's about it...you'd think they'd be breaking into network coverage for this...then again...does the public want the latest "HOUSE" episode or Dennis Kucinich introducing Articles of Impeachment? Welcome to the 21st Century MSM.

UPDATE #6 10:13PM EST:

Introducing Article #24: "Spying on American citizens without a court-ordered warrant, in violation of the law and in violation of the Fourth Amendment...'

(When you listen to all of these charges together, though, it sure is freakin' ugly! Then again, this isn't exactly a surprise, is it? Gonna' be a long night...)




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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich is introducing articles of (2.00 / 3)

To bad the "Leader" nancy took that OFF the table.


by orion1 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:17:58 PM EST

Thanks MyDD, from a Kossack (2.00 / 2)

Hillary supporters and Barack supporters haven't exactly been dear friends over the past few months, but it's sure good to see we're starting to come together a little. This thing Dennis is doing should be a wakeup call, too:

We are in this TOGETHER. It's Bush, Cheney, and the other rightwingers who are our real enemies... who are the enemies of ANY decent person.


by ratmach on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:14:21 AM EST
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The link is working again (2.00 / 1)

for now!

Please sign on to this impeachment!
http://www.democrats.com/35-articles-of- impeachment

Support Rep. Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment
Rep. Dennis Kucinich performed a heroic service for our Nation by introducing 35 Articles of Impeachment against President George W. Bush.

Rep. Kucinich thoroughly research and and documented every single article. Any one Article would be sufficient grounds for impeaching Bush and removing him from office; taken together, the case for impeachment is overwhelming and urgent.

I thank Rep. Kucinich for his true patriotism and I urge you, my Representative and Senators, to fully support all of his Articles of Impeachment.
http://www.democrats.com/35-articles-of- impeachment


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by kevin22262 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:31:28 AM EST
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This is why (2.00 / 1)

their site was down for some and for a while!

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s= s14democratsdotcom&r=35


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by kevin22262 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:32:29 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

Maybe he's auditioning for VP.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:21:33 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

He would certainly get my vote!

Obama/Kucinich '08!!


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:54:17 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

Any ticket with Kucinich and I vote Republican. No exceptions. But who are we kidding, Kucinich has not chance in hell.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:31:34 PM EST
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WOW! All I can say. WOW! n/t (2.00 / 6)


by bobswern on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:23:19 PM EST

Yes, (2.00 / 2)

GO KUCINICH!!! You know, if I voted purely on policy (without taking things like electability into account), I'd probably have voted for him. Sadly, he's a bit... eccentric (UFO's, anyone??).

So yeah, rock on, Dennis. I know it will ultimately come to nothing, but still. It's partly just the principle of the thing.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:12:47 PM EST
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The UFO thing was unfair... (none / 0)

... all he's ever maintained is that he saw an unidentified flying object.

Lots of people have, most of them don't believe in fuzzy green aliens with big eyes...

(virtual recs for the diary, BTW)


by kraant on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:14:22 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 7)

he will get as many votes in the house as he did in the primaries.  Poor Dennis - I really like him and everytime I take one of those "who should you vote for?" things, his name is number one on the list for me.

but Pelosi took it off the table.  He won't get any traction from this at all.


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:25:36 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 4)

yep she will make sure it goes nowhere. And she wants votes next time? LOL not from me!


by zerosumgame on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:30:00 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

Heh that's funny he has come up as my first choice in those questionnaires as well.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:19:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

Not sure I'm overjoyed with this decision. This is the type of maneuver that may just energize the Republicans. Don't get me wrong I'd love to impeach W, but I don't want to give the Repugs ammunition.

yea yea I know - concern troll.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:27:03 PM EST

I agree (none / 0)

give the repugs some ammo and they will use it.


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:00:55 PM EST
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Re: I agree (2.00 / 5)

I don't know.  I can certainly understand the need to be careful to win the White House, but history will not look kindly upon our inability to act in a just manner if we do nothing.  We really need to show the world that we're as horrified by the last eight years as they are.

This isn't Bill Clinton.  This isn't about a blow job.  This is about numerous breaches of the Constitution and degredation of our great country.  I don't mean to use hyperbole, but I fully support any and all actions to hold President Bush responsible for the actions of him and his followers.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:14:34 PM EST
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I totally agree! (none / 0)

But.... this is also the age of the media being controlled by the righties, the media not doing their jobs and we are in the process of trying to float a sinking ship by getting more and better democrats in office and in the WH.

Maybe this will at least put these charges in the record so that we can go after the bush crime family after Nov?

It makes me nervous. The press will ignore Obama and even mccain all to cover the "impeachment".

I am trying to keep my eye on the ball and look at the bigger picture.


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM EST
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Re: I totally disagree! (2.00 / 3)

There are over 4000 reasons for impeachment!  What is the matter with Americans?  Bush/Cheney just rammed it up your you know what!  Impeachment should stop everything else we need to get this nation back on track.  Go Dennis!


by orionwest on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:55:42 PM EST
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Re: I totally disagree! (none / 0)

Once again... I agree. I am still looking at the bigger picture. Sometimes we can want something so much that we loose all that we had.


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:14:34 PM EST
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Timidity (2.00 / 2)

Timidity is not a universal tactic.  It will not always prevent failure and it will not always be the best way to protect our interests.  The value of 'choosing one's battles' is not in avoiding dangerous fights, but in coordinating how we fight.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:35:50 PM EST
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Re: Timidity (none / 0)

I agree. Many tho are not into the coordinating part, they just want a fight.


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:44:13 PM EST
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Re: Timidity (2.00 / 1)

We have nothing without the Constitution!  Obama would be President of nothing if Bush/Cheney are not impeached!


by orionwest on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:59:58 AM EST
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Re: Timidity (none / 0)

So is that how you are still going to feel if and most likely when he does not get impeached?

I want what you want. I am also looking at the big picture.

I am glad this was done, I really am. It is in the record and if it can be done while we have a GE going on, then great. If it helps us go after these criminals after Nov., then great again!


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by kevin22262 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:20:53 AM EST
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Without Impeach, Bush Can Continue to Start Wars (2.00 / 3)

While Bush stays in power, he is dangerous. Right now, the Bush administration is saber-rattling against Iran (using lots of false data and innuendo -- just like Iraq) and DoE head Gates has just appointed a new Air Force chief who signed off on a preemptive attack on a country that might be dangerous (or might not). The Republicans need another war to win the presidency. That is all they have left. The situation is very dangerous. See this post for more:
http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/rum blings-war-iran-national-call-congress-t omorrow

We need to knock Bush off-kilter and keep him off-message. Impeachment hearings will help to thwart his saber-rattling and might prevent him from actually starting another war.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by RandomNonviolence on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:09:42 PM EST
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Re: Without Impeach, Bush Can Continue to Start Wa (2.00 / 2)

I agree.

Just keep in mind that the media is owned and controlled by bush's friends. This is not like the Watergate era (and these crimes are much worse!), back then we had a media that did a better job. We had less distractions.

It is a different place right now. Hopefully the internet is helping to even out the information playing field, except we often just pass along the pieces of info we find at the MSM sites.

I want what you want.


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:19:23 PM EST
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Re: I totally agree! (none / 0)

Impeaching Clinton may not have gotten the desired result for the Republicans, but it sure did not hurt them at the polls. They only controlled the congress and senate for more than 10 years. What the democrats should do is stop being afraid of what their actions will bring in the form of a backlash. Their reputation as spineless fools hurts them more than any backlash.  It is perplexing why the state of California produces an OK but kind of spineless Democrat such as Pelosi and a despicable person like Dianne Feinstein in such safe areas.


by Pravin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:07:57 AM EST
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Que?? (2.00 / 3)

I have never understood this argument. How is forcing this administration to respond to investigations of criminal activity, every day, on camera, giving them "ammo"? It's an absurd argument. The best way to destroy the right is to actually fight them, not to just walk away because they might say something stupid or mean.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:20:48 PM EST
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See (none / 0)

my comment above.

I agree with you, but...


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:26:09 PM EST
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Re: Que?? (none / 0)

Yes I totally agree. Bush and his gang should be punished.


by Politicalslave on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:02:20 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

I don't agree> In this case we have the ammunition. George W committed crimes he should be held accountable.


by Politicalslave on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:59:04 AM EST
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Who cares! Hillary lost! (1.00 / 9)

Let's all vote McCain in retaliation.  That'll show that sexist Obama who's boss!  He's the real threat we face!  Get some perspective!  He said, and I quote, "YOU"RE LIKABLE ENOUGH, HILLARY", AND he hired some guys to say "IRON MY SHIRT"!!!!

That's whats important.  Please delete this irrelevant diary!


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:31:46 PM EST

Great unity comment, dick. nt (1.37 / 8)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:36:19 PM EST
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Re: Great unity comment, BLEEP (2.00 / 2)

Oh so ironic coming from a PUMA who hates Olbermann and won't vote Obama.  Why not look yourself in a mirror.  Go read your comments, and think before calling people out on 'Unity'.  No, I wont call you the D word.

One of MANY examples of your so called unity... http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/8/20 328/50190/62#62

We need to unify, and people like you who refuse to do so shouldn't be hypocritically calling others out for the same thing.


by HardWorkingWhitePerson on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:49:00 PM EST
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WTF does hating Olbermann have to do w/being a (none / 0)

Democrat?

Second, I never said I "won't vote for Obama".  If you can find where I said that, send me your paypal account and I'll send you $10.

Third, given that all your other points were wrong, you have no basis to call me out, so I'll take a retraction and apology.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:28:04 PM EST
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Re: WTF does hating Olbermann have to do w/being a (none / 0)

Go read your posts.  It's all there.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:26:22 AM EST
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What, if you play them backwards or something? nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:31:10 AM EST
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Re: Great unity comment, dick. nt (2.00 / 2)

I think that was snark, man.  Way to lash out.


Hillary 4 life.
by Hill4Life on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:51:33 PM EST
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Re: Great unity comment, dick. nt (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, it was.  Ironic how he/she got so defensive, especially after looking back at PJ's dead-ender comments (pointed out by Hardworking guy above).


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:06:39 PM EST
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But I think it was snark aimed at insulting Hillar (none / 0)

y supporters.  If I'm wrong, and it was just a joke, I take back the "dick" comment.  Unlike many posters on MyDD, I'll admit when I'm wrong and issue apologies.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:29:07 PM EST
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Re: But I think it was snark aimed at insulting Hi (none / 0)

Your apology is accepted.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:27:37 AM EST
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Re: Great unity comment, dick. nt (none / 0)

At this point I'm mojo'ing for your tagline. But the "dick" part of your comment, um, not so cool. But I lost my composure on a Jacob Freeze Diary and called the guy something related to an anus, so who am I to talk, right?


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:39:19 AM EST
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Re: Who cares! Hillary lost! (1.00 / 1)

Piss off and shut the fuck up, please.  The world would be better off without pathetic misogynists like you in it.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:45:27 PM EST
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Re: Who cares! Hillary lost! (none / 0)

I started to give you a '2' for great snark. But now I'm not 100% sure it IS snark... so I'm not sure what to do. PLEASE tell me this was sarcasm.


by ratmach on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:17:40 AM EST
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Re: Who cares! Hillary lost! (none / 0)

Of course that was snark.  I thought it was obvious.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:28:54 AM EST
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Kucinich Rocks (2.00 / 3)

what took him so long.


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:36:35 PM EST

Re: Kucinich Rocks (2.00 / 1)

I love Dennis.  He's been at this impeachment thing for a while now.

This from January:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 01/23/kucinich-starts-new-impeachment-dr ive/


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:48:29 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 2)

I wonder if such a thing would be good for us in November. Would it hurt Bush/McCain even more, or would it give an image of Democratic partisanship?


by Lakrosse on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:38:24 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 5)

its this kind of attitude that has kept the chimp in the whitehouse all these years when he should be in leavenworth.

impeach; because its the right thing to do.


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:43:56 PM EST
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Phantom mojo (2.00 / 4)

The best way to fight the right is to actually, you know, FIGHT. Enough cowering in fear of what some ignorant ditto head scum will think... they will "think" whatever Rush tells them to. The rest of America doesn't truly know or understand the depths to which this government has sunk. The ONLY way they will ever learn the truth is if it is forced into the news, and the ONLY way to do that is IMPEACHMENT.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:00:11 PM EST
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true but we should have done it before 2008 (none / 0)

as the GOP impeached Clinton in 1998, not 2000. I say we should have started in January 2007, right after taking Congress, just so it would have been out of the way for the campaign. Then, it can have been "over" but the image damage would have been done already.


by Lakrosse on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:36:51 AM EST
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Re: true but we should have done it before 2008 (none / 0)

Is it ever too late to prosecute for murder?  I don't believe the statute of limitations applies. Nor do I think it pragmatic to let murderers run free because it is an inconvenient time to go to trial.


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:53:57 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 6)

Precisely.  This has nothing to do with the election.  This has to do with protecting our country and our constitution.

If we can't win in November, shame on us, but President Bush must be held accountable.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:17:20 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 4)

Agreed.  I'm of the opinion that anyone in the current administration, regardless of their position, who violated the law or helped orchestrate the breach of the Constitution should be held accountable.  Fuck 'em -- from the custodial staff on up to Bush himself.  

The thought that most of these douchebags will earn six and seven figures on speaking tours, selling books, consulting, or whoring as lobbyists makes me fucking sick.

Pardon my goddamn French.  The impeachment (or other justice seeking measure) is, or ought be, a moral imperative.  Nothing as atrocious as the blatant crimes of Bush and his stoolies should be allowed to slide in the name of political posturing.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:01:59 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 3)

"impeach; because its the right thing to do"

a great bumper sticker


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:47:00 PM EST
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Partisnship vs. helping us (none / 0)

Where does this idea spring from that Democratic partisanship is a categorical negative?  The Republicans attracted enormous support in the 90s through blatant partisanship, and while they eventually overextended themselves, the lesson there is to be modest in victory, not to be modest in the fight itself.  Go Democrats!  Kick ass and take names!


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:45:10 PM EST
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I agree, (none / 0)

but I think we should have done it in 2006. The GOP didn't impeach Clinton in 2000, they did it in 1998. We should have done it in 2007 right when we got to Congress. Right now is too late. By doing it in 1998, the GOP got it out of the way in time for 2000.


by Lakrosse on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:35:32 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 3)

recommended. it's on CSPAN right now, everyone should be watching this.

still no sign from the MSM.


by freeing zeus on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:52:53 PM EST

It's about Iran, IMHO... (2.00 / 4)

Go back over the Fallon story in Esquire. Then, see the "cover" story about about Bush replacing his go-to guy in the Air Force with someone willing to use tactical nuclear weapons.

There's a great piece that went somewhat unnoticed on Kos today by one of my favorite writers: Occams Hatchet. Don't have the link 'cause I'm following the C-Span broadcast right now. Anyone want to go over there and dig it up?


by bobswern on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:52:55 PM EST

This is the most recent (2.00 / 4)

thing I found by that user:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/28/ 22326/3731

It is about renditions from Italy


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:11:02 PM EST
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The post I reference is from today... n/t (2.00 / 2)


by bobswern on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:43:55 PM EST
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Here it is (2.00 / 5)

Nominee for Air Force chief OK'd nuclear first-strike
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6 /9/13911/88779/99/532803
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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:04:36 PM EST
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I wonder why that didn't show up (2.00 / 3)

when I searched for it?

Oh well.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:08:32 PM EST
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Well... (2.00 / 3)

I did the easy thing. I went to the link you provided and then I clicked on the name of the person who posted the diary. Bingo... there it was!   ;)


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:11:08 PM EST
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There was a tie-in and threat... (2.00 / 3)

...story which ran in early March or April in conjunction with the Fallon resignation, where there was linkage between concern for Bush/Cheney bringing us into war with Iran and some in the House saying if it appeared that he was moving in that direction, they'd bring up impeachment.

So, we have the new head of the Air Force (in favor of nuclear first strikes) now replacing the old head of the Air Force (not in favor of nuclear first strikes); then 48-72 hours later...this...IMPEACHMENT!

Perhaps a coincidence. Perhaps not.

But, thanks for the link!!!! Very much appreciated!


by bobswern on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:10:07 PM EST
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Recced (2.00 / 6)

I rec anything where we see our leaders showing courage!

Go get em Dennis!

Next, warcrimes for torture!


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:02:08 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing (2.00 / 2)

Normally I'm not a concern troll, but this seems like yet another in a long line of Kucinich stunts that accomplishes nothing.  That seems to be his niche.


by rfahey22 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:41:48 PM EST

The tyrrany of low expectations (none / 0)

his efforts keep getting shot down by cautious leaders and the reliable apathy of the American people.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:48:17 PM EST
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Re: The tyrrany of low expectations (none / 0)

I doubt that.  I don't think he coordinates any of these efforts with anyone, which is why he's always out there, twisting in the wind.  I do think he likes to portray himself as the martyr, safe in the knowledge that he's done nothing to actually bring about whatever cause he's championing.  That's just my take, of course.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:10:21 AM EST
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Please update this diary with.... (2.00 / 2)

The following from Democrats.com. It came in an email.

History is in the making as I type: Rep. Dennis Kucinich is on the floor of the House reading 35 Articles of Impeachment against President George W. Bush.
At last!!!!!
We've waited years to find one Member of Congress brave enough to stand up for our Constitution, for which generations of Americans have fought and died. We are thrilled and honored that Dennis Kucinich has chosen to be that one genuine patriot.
We congratulate him on his historic leadership, and pledge to do everything in our power to persuade the House to adopt all 35 Articles and put George W. Bush on trial before the Senate of the United States, exactly as the Founding Fathers wanted.
We can be sure Kucinich will come under furious attack by the White House, the Republican Party, the Corporate Media, and even Bush Democrats. So let's inundate Congress with emails and calls (202-224-3121) showing our full support for Rep. Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment:
http://www.democrats.com/35-articles-of- impeachment
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your constant support throughout this long and historic struggle.
Bob Fertik
p.s. If you have cable, you can watch it all live on C-SPAN.
p.p.s. We will do our best to keep you informed by posting the latest developments on our blog at Democrats.com.

##### Forward this message to everyone you know!


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST

I meant to include this (2.00 / 2)

The following is the comment my g/f posted when sending me the above email.

In his "Manifest Injury" speech that is currently being delivered to Congress, Dennis makes Vincent Bugliosi pale in comparison. Please write or call and thank this guy!

http://kucinich.house.gov/

Then write or call your members of Congress and ask them to support him:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home /


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:16:13 PM EST
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Re: I meant to include this (2.00 / 2)

Thanks Kevin...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:43:19 PM EST
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Re: Please update this diary with.... (2.00 / 2)

Watching now.  Can't get the link to democrats.com to work.  Maybe their site is getting a lot of traffic right now?


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:31:25 PM EST
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Yes (2.00 / 2)

their site is getting hit! I wish we could help, I wish they had been given better notice so they could beef up for the onslaught of people coming to their site.


Washington Woman
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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:34:36 PM EST
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BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 4)

I think it's great, even if it is only symbolic.  I hope it shames that so called Dems that are running the show.  

And I don't care if it gives the Republicans something to use later.  Why should we always cower in fear?  They are counting on that.  I for one am sick of the complete wussiness of our leaders.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:17:50 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

Seriously.  I've noticed that there's really no such thing as 'giving the Republicans something to use later', they'll just make something up anyway.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:51:35 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 2)

for the first time in my adult life i am proud to be an american.

go kucinich!


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:35:49 PM EST

Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (2.00 / 1)

Okay.  At first I thought this was bad for November.  We don't want the republicans to coalesce around this issue.  

Or do we?

If this becomes a big deal, McCain will be forced to choose whether to stand with Bush or to throw him in front of the bus.  

Now I am sure he will stand with Bush.  If McCain gives his tacit permission to the tactics of the last 8 years, we can attack him mercilessly on him being a Bush 3rd term.  The republicans will unite but the indies will be running from McCain faster than you could ever imagine.  We win the indies we win the election.

If out of nowhere McCain rollsover on Bush, then he loses the democrat-hating republican base.  Without the base, McCain loses.

This is a win-win situation and it may be pure genius.  


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:46:57 PM EST

Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (2.00 / 3)

Damn, right now I don't care about November.  I just want these guys to go down, and go down hard!  Some things are bigger than this election.  

I think everyone should send emails asking our Reps to support this.  We just need a simple majority.

Wouldn't that be sweet!?


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:48:46 PM EST
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Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (none / 0)

I disagree completely. Taking a shot at the Bushies would give us a chance to win a battle and lose a war at the same time.

I am not saying we shouldn't do it. But we certainly should consider the effects on the election before we do.

Doing the right thing is not the right thing if it were to cost us the Supreme Court.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:20:26 PM EST
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Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (none / 0)

If someone told me that Bush and Cheney could be impeached and tried for treason and the trade off was John McCain as President for four years..I would take it.  I am a Democrat but I am an American first.  My heart has ached for 8 long years of Bush/Cheney and they should not be allowed to walk away from this.  This cause, to me, is about the moral and ethical core of our nation.  If we do nothing we have already lost more than this election.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:25:27 PM EST
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Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (none / 0)

SO it would be worth seeing Roe v. Wade overturned to you to have justice done in this case?

It would be worth continued war in Iraq?

I agree that they should not be allowed to walk away from this unscathed BUT the price would be too great.

Also, I don't know about you. But I would not want history to look at me the way it will look at them and for me that will be punishment enough.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:37:39 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

why are we so afraid to do the right thing?

the gop is counting on democratic inaction.

yeah yeah yeah they will say impeachment during wartime is unpatriotic but why should we fucking care!
a criminal is a criminal.


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:41:43 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Its not a matter of being "afraid." It is a matter of gaming it out and taking the course of action that furthers our agenda in the long term. Sure taking these asshats out would be satisfying now and it would certainly be morally righteous...but it isn't worth risking this election over.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:46:00 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

i think you are wrong in your assessment that this would damage the long term agenda.

this town (DC) needs an enema! and kucinich is holding the bag.


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:51:39 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I am fine with you believing I am wrong. I just want a willingness to discuss it.

Its moot, as impeachment won't happen. But when people on here start saying lets do it even IF it would cost us the election that scares me.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:23:49 AM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I don't believe it would cost us the election.  In fact quite the opposite.  

But yeah, I do see this as being bigger than whether or not Obama gets elected.  


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:29:49 AM EST
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Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (none / 0)

If we can put together a coalition in the Senate to go for impeachment, than we can hold that group together to filibuster judges.  But it won't come to that.  We can win in November, regardless of what fights we take up in the meantime, because this election will be fought via street organizing, and any counterspinning that needs to be done media-wise is within our ability to pay for.  ugh, I garbled, but you know what I mean.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:56:29 PM EST
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Re: Splitting the McCain Middle = Brilliant (none / 0)

I think recent history has shown that playing it safe has not worked anyway. Let us stop playing political prognositcators. Do what is right and in the long term people will respect you.


by Pravin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:11:04 AM EST
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BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 2)

Wow, this news came out of nowhere.  How did he pull that off?


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:50:51 PM EST

BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 2)

Bless him.  He is talking about Katrina.  

I now ^heart^ Dennis Kucinich.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:14:53 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 1)

please please please
lets all unite in support of kucinich!!!!!!

contact your reps now!

contact your newspapers now!

contact pelosi now!


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:27:02 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

He is wasting our time. Too bad his primary challenger did not win.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:30:24 PM EST

Umm.... (2.00 / 2)

What??!!

Don't get me wrong. I don't think we are going to impeach and I am fairly certain we shouldn't.

But how is it wasting our time for him to list the crimes that Bush and his cronies have committed.

How is it ever a waste of time to call for justice?

How is it ever a waste of time to shed light on the harm that these imbeciles have done?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:35:05 PM EST
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I love it.... (2.00 / 1)

The transcript of Kucinich's call for impeachment will be forever written in the Congressional Journal, and that's a good thing.

History will be able to look back and see that the evil and illegal activities of the Bush Adnministration were at least once documented and recorded before the American people.  

If impeachment is impossible now, at least one day an objective judgment can be made.

After all, Bush always says that history will be his judge.


by susie on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:48:43 AM EST
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Re: Umm.... (none / 0)

You said it yourself.

I don't think we are going to impeach and I am fairly certain we shouldn't.

The only person who will be on record is Kucinich and anyone else (which will be very few) who sponsor the bill. History will not judge Kucinich as a hero. Hey, if we're going to impeach Bush, why not impeach Lincoln for the suspension of habeas corpus and spending money without congressional approval--direct violations to the Constitution. If Kucinich was truly serious about this, he should of introduced this bill with cosponsors and sponsors in his pocket as well as the support of several legislatures.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:31:37 AM EST
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Re: Umm.... (none / 0)

Are you a Democrat?

Comparing what Bush has done to what Lincoln did?

Or do you just have an irrational hatred of Dennis Kucinich?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 09:55:17 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (none / 0)

too bad hillary was afraid to debate her primary challenger.

you must be lovin the status quo


by citizendave on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:38:31 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (none / 0)

What the hell are you talking about Clinton for? Are you that pathetic that you resort to attacking Clinton every time you get bunched in the the corner. Get real.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:22:00 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (none / 0)

you said, kucinich should have been defeated by his opponent.

hillary had no opponent in her bid for reelection because she refused debate with the anti-war hopeful tasini.

me pathetic?

go fuck yourself rj.


by citizendave on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:29:52 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

You and Markos can go cry in your beers about how the Progressive held onto his seat against an empty suit corporate shill.

I like how people who consider themselves Democrats don't seem to give credit to people who were right. Kucinich led a majority of Democratic House members to vote against the Iraq AUMF and yet he is pilloried and sneered at. What is it? Cause he's short? Cause he's a vegan? Is this the group of people that the Right calls dirty fucking hippies saying 'NO! There's your dirty fucking hippie!'

The embrace of the politics of stupid has to end. Kucinich threw away a straight shot to the governorship of Ohio and perhaps the White House by saving public ownership of the electricity in Cleveland. The banks tried to blackmail him into selling it off but he didn't back down. The people of Cleveland have saved hundreds of millions of dollars and Kucinich got fired.

Seeing how another 200 billion is going straight down the toilet to kill people and fund mercenaries this week, maybe it's nice to see a politician with integrity for once.


by wengler on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:26:48 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

you got that.  Dennis is the true face of integrity.


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:41:40 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

You are wasting our time. If you want to abandon what is right or wrong, why even bother with this party? we all should have just embraced Bush in 2004 if you are so desperate to be with a "winner" and basic principles do not matter.


by Pravin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:12:32 AM EST
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I certainly hope (2.00 / 2)

the good folks (or at least the Dems) of OH-10 are feeling proud right now.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:39:28 PM EST

Kucinich is reading quite an indictment... (2.00 / 4)

...of the people who took impeachment off the table.


by Silence Do Good on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:43:47 PM EST

BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (2.00 / 1)

I don't get this whole 'oh no! we might lose in November if they actually go through with this"  WHAT THE HELL?  Have we all become punks or what?  How about if the Democrats grew a pair and actually did what right then maybe we would stomp Grampy McCain on the coattails of standing up for ourselves?


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:28:44 AM EST

Re: BREAKING: Kucinich Introducing Articles of Imp (none / 0)

amen!


by slynch on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:19:13 AM EST
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We love Bush! (none / 0)

Don't you understand that the people love Bush?! The squishy middle that the Broders of the world talk about will rise up and help their disgraced leader in his time of peril!

Don't be surprised if you see Bush being the visionary of our times. All the destruction of Iraq, our economy, etc. feed into the master plan of defeating the terraists. Bush torpedoed our own dollar because he knew that since a lot of those mideast regimes have large dollar reserves, making the dollar less will help diminish the terror-making abilities.


by wengler on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:35:24 AM EST
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Kucinich Introducing Articles of Impeachment! (none / 0)

How is this any different than all the Articles of Impeachment written in the past against Bush AND Cheney that went absolutely nowhere?

A little late for impeachment- but I'd like to see all them charged with war crimes and sitting in a rendition prison, with 24/7 internet streaming for all of us to see.  


by Justwords on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:48:41 AM EST

Re: Kucinich Introducing (none / 0)

for one thing it is 35 articles (i think 3 in past attempts) broadly ranging from misleading the american people into war to disenfranchising voters in ohio. it paints a full picture of the disgraceful claims and acts of unconstitutional executive power assumed by this admin.

but i fear the dems won't have the stomach or the spine to act on k's lead.

i would change my regestration from indy to dem tomorrow if only half the dems in congress would support this.


by citizendave on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:16:58 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: Kucinich (none / 0)

Thanks for updating this one Bob. In an alternate universe, Kucinich was my 1st choice for Prez....


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:52:28 AM EST

Re: 35 articles (2.00 / 2)

GET THIS BACK ON THE REC LIST!!!!!!!!!!

#1: Creating a secret propaganda campaign to manufacture a false case for war against Iraq

#2 Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression

#3 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

#4 Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

#5 Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

#6 Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

#7: Invading Iraq without a declaration of war.

#8: Invading Iraq in violation of the U.N. charter and international law.

#9: Failing to provide troops with body armor and vehicle armor.

#10: Falsifying accounts of US troops deaths and injuries for political purposes

#11: Establishment of permanent military bases in Iraq

#12: Initiating a war against Iraq for control of that nation's natural resources.

#13: Secret task force for directing national energy policy

#14: Misprision of a felony, misuse and exposure of classified information and cover up (Plame outing)

#15: Providing immunity from prosecution for criminal conduct for contractors in Iraq

#16: Reckless misspending and wasted US tax dollar with Iraq contractors

#17: Illegal detention - detaining indefinitely, and without charge, American citizens and foreign captives (suspension of habeus)

#18: Torture - secretly authorizing and encouraging use of torture, as m